[Advanced] Arthurian Mafia

[Yates]

Thane - what are you seeing that's sketching you out about Dice?

[MrsClov]

I'm home. WOT incoming, as soon as I catch up and type it out. May take me a bit as I'm trying to shovel a tasty omelet into my mouth. 

[Thane Vakarian]

it's more what i'm not seeing that worries me. I'd like to see some real general impressions, maybe even a reads list, from him. He comes in, comments a bit, and is off again. It's not enough for me to be able to clear him as town. He is quite capable as wolf. 

[Thane Vakarian]

enjoy the omelet

 

*has his x-th cup of coffee* (i lost count)

[Leelou]

 

BTW - I'm getting the sense that you are town and people are trying to make you a shiny object. 

 

Give the pretty lady a stuffed teddy

 

 

Woo! 

[Leelou]

Nyn

Sili
Mrs.Clov

Clov

Thane

Dice
Barm 

Yates
Eldrick
Darthe

[MrsClov]

Okay, 

 

So I just want to get this out in the open so that it doesn't waste our day. I'm the one who vigged Lilly, and incidently Cass . I felt like we needed answers to Day 1. I had felt that Lilly had been pretty scummy the entire phase, and while I can see why others thought Darthe was scum, I actually had him as null to town.  

Had I known that by taking out Lilly I'd be taking out two town, I definitely wouldn't have vigged her. I probably would have holstered. I'm claiming this now because it was my only vig shot- yes I'm aware I wasted it. But more importantly it puts some mystery to rest.  I waited until now to say something, because I wanted to be able to gauge reactions and I wanted to be able to be online for a while after announcing this. 

 

As promised here is my note on the voting. I'm just posting the table for it. Column A is who voted and Columns B-O are who they voted for. The black squares is where they line up with themsleves. Numbers represent the post number where they voted. It should be updated as of end of day. If anyone's placed votes today it's probably not on here. Blue Highlight is town alignment. 

 

As of right now, I need to go back through and figure out my reads. 

 

 

[Eldrick4221]

 

After rereading the exchange we had under the understanding that I was quoting you to begin with, I will rephrase my question.

 

Why do you suspect the vig killed Lily? There were 3 deaths. One was from a Lover killing themselves. As there are only 2 killing roles in the game, one was vig, and the other was mafia.

 

You seemed sure that the vig kill was Lily. I was just curious as to why.

Lilly was in the poe: People thought Lilly was scum and therefore Lilly was a bad kill for wolves. And Cass had just gotten into the game and I imagine (don't know for sure) there was less reason to kill her too.

 

Verbal was the wolf kill, therefore. Cass wouldn't have been vigilante'd by anyone competent, so it must have been Lilly.

 

I'm assuming wolves don't have 2 kills though.

 

I didn't think about it that way. Thank you for clearing that up.

 

Unvote

[Eldrick4221]

i'm starting to get why Lily would be the vig target. It's a shame that it took out two players though. 

 

i'm still at work (it's been 10 bloody hours) and i have at least 2 more hours to go

I agree. Lovers is an annoying role in that regard.

[Eldrick4221]

You make a good point about Darthe's lynch not going through because he was scum. Being I was already leaning that way, [v]Darthe[/v]

 

 

[Niniel]

VC

 

Barm (1) - Clov

Sili (1) - Dice

Darthe (3) - Nyn, Leelou, Eldrick

 

Not voting: Thane, Sili, Darthe, MrsClov, Yates, Barm

 

 

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. 

[Niniel]

I hope that is correct. Let me know if it´s not. 

[Yates]

So I just want to get this out in the open so that it doesn't waste our day. I'm the one who vigged Lilly, and incidently Cass .

I believe you because... boom:

Since neither lynch went through I think it's fair to assume the vig is someone on the Lily wagon - being that the vig would have been on the Lily wagon assuming she was the most likely scum in the game.

Sili was providing vig cover [confirming my Town read on him] - which I thought about doing but seldom ends well for me.

 

But - you know - I'm not doing any work, right Nyn?

[Yates]

[v]Dice[/v]

 

You are breaking my heart.

[Leelou]

 

So I just want to get this out in the open so that it doesn't waste our day. I'm the one who vigged Lilly, and incidently Cass .

I believe you because... boom:

Since neither lynch went through I think it's fair to assume the vig is someone on the Lily wagon - being that the vig would have been on the Lily wagon assuming she was the most likely scum in the game.

Sili was providing vig cover [confirming my Town read on him] - which I thought about doing but seldom ends well for me.

 

But - you know - I'm not doing any work, right Nyn?

 

 

You could come to the bolded conclusion as scum. 

[Yates]

You could come to the bolded conclusion as scum.

It's about being right. I like to be right.

[Darthe]

Am I being foolish somehow?  I don't see scum-dice with the exception of maybe one of his posts.

[Darthe]

 

Sili

Mrs.Clov

Leelou

Clov

 

Thane

Barm

Dice

 

Yates

Eldrick

Darthe

 

 

This is where I'm at right now reads wise. The order is from most townie to most scummy. Barm and dice are interchangeable order wise. I'm gonna have to ISO them both to make up my mind. But at this point it's not that important. Plus I'm kinda waiting to see more from them. I would also like Thane to step it up. My gut says town but until he starts shifting into gear I can't say for sure, so he'll stay in my POE.

 

How exactly do you think that scum team dynamic works?  Because on thread it certainly doesn't make any sense.

 

 

 

I find it interesting that wagonomics is suddenly not a valid scumhunting method, though. That's news to me.

Wagonomics is a valid scumhunting method - in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing. :eyeroll:

 

What you are proposing isn't "wagonomics," though, being that a big part of it is knowing the alignment of the party being wagoned. If you want to look for scum on the Lily wagon? Have at it. At least you know everyone on her wagon was voting for a Townie. What you CAN'T do is make any assumptions about anyone on Darthe's wagon until you know his alignment. That's NOT "wagonomins" - that's speculation.

 

 

Please, Darthe is scum. There is absolutely no reason for his lynch to not have gone through otherwise. Unless scum is in the business of NOT mislynching townies. 

 

But please, get into a semantics argument with me. Those are always a doozy.

 

This is the worst argument I've ever seen as to why someone is mafia.  Because I didn't die I must be scum only works if you believe

 

1) Teammates won't bus at all

2) Town thinks of me positively

3) The mafia were off of my train

 

None of those arguments can be made with certainty unless you yourself are mafia.  By all means, give it a whirl.

[Darthe]

 

I would suspect Barm, Leelou or Lily for the Verb kill if we were in an old DM game.  Obviously it wasn't Lily but if Verb was the NK it fits the DM trend of getting rid of power players with the NK and of trying to use an NK to frame someone.

 

Not me, I actually like to play with him - like a cat with a mouse, when I'm scum now. 

 

Disliking Darthe and Barm. 

 

Well that isn't WIFOM and you definitely aren't in a good spot for deep scum.

 

I'm leaving my vote where it is for now. Still waiting for Sili to give me a reason not to.

 

But, Darthe is my other suspect. If he gets more pressure, I don't mind helping that go along either.

 

[v] eldrick [/v]

[MrsClov]

I'm going to go through, reread and have in depth thoughts later this afternoon/ tonight. I haven't slept yet (It's just after noon...)  and might actually pass out on my laptop. 

 

Naptime. 

[Alanna]

Vote Count:

Barm (1) - Clov

Sili (1) - dice

Darthe (3) - Nyn, Leelou, Eldrick

dice (1) - Yates

Eldrick (1) - Darthe

 

Not Voting: Barm, Sili, MrsClov, Thane

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

 

Deadline is Friday, March 13th @ 8PM CST.

[Barmacral]

Meant to this this morning but ran out of time.

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

Basically I think the Verbal kill points at Darthe and makes an easy bit of wifom for him to say "they've obviously framed me". Couple that with his generally scummy behavior in Day 1 (even Darthe admitted that all of the votes on him were valid) and I think he definitely needs to die. Bonus is getting rid of his nasty attitude towards DM mafia and the fact that it'll be an informative lynch towards the rest of the game.

[Nynaeve]

How exactly do you think that scum team dynamic works?  Because on thread it certainly doesn't make any sense.

 

Really? It doesn't? I mean, sure, usually the scum team skips around holding hands. You've definitely not been doing that. But I think I'll risk it.

[Nynaeve]

 

This is the worst argument I've ever seen as to why someone is mafia.  

 

Coming from you that's pretty hilarious.

[dicetosser1]

Btw now that we got a flip on Lily I think it makes EoD1 very interesting. Gonna be rereading it to see exactly why Darthe's lynch didn't go through. Overall this makes Darthe look even worse, if that's possible. Basically if Darthe was town the two leading trains were townies and there was absolutely no reason for one of them not to go through if it was a win win for scum. And yet his train stalled at L-1 (I think it was dice who promptly unvoted to put him back on L-2). In any case I strongly suggest for everyone to revisit EoD. It could potentially be very telling.

 

I unvoted. I only voted for info, darthe called me on it and i decided 2 things. 1 i stated on thread  he was right  info lynch sux. the second was that i wasn't actually feeling either train. None of the arguements about lily made me go "hey yeah thats right" and i actually think darthe is town. theres only one thing thats got me a little worried on Darthe and thats that he got to L1 and never claimed. but neither did Lily so...

 

 

 

You seemed sure that the vig kill was Lily. I was just curious as to why.

Now that Sili has answered, I'll tell you why *I* am about 90% sure... Verb wasn't in the lynch discussion. A vig isn't likely to shoot outside the lynch pool. Darthe and Lily were the two major wagons. Typically, if one goes through and flips Town the vig will shoot the other to remove any doubt. Since neither lynch went through I think it's fair to assume the vig is someone on the Lily wagon - being that the vig would have been on the Lily wagon assuming she was the most likely scum in the game.

 

Easy math.

 

 

But not neccesarily correct. I wouldn't have vigged either of them.

 

i note you ended up being right but still its never a certainty

 

 

 

I find it interesting that wagonomics is suddenly not a valid scumhunting method, though. That's news to me.

Wagonomics is a valid scumhunting method - in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing. :eyeroll:

 

What you are proposing isn't "wagonomics," though, being that a big part of it is knowing the alignment of the party being wagoned. If you want to look for scum on the Lily wagon? Have at it. At least you know everyone on her wagon was voting for a Townie. What you CAN'T do is make any assumptions about anyone on Darthe's wagon until you know his alignment. That's NOT "wagonomins" - that's speculation.

 

 

Please, Darthe is scum. There is absolutely no reason for his lynch to not have gone through otherwise. Unless scum is in the business of NOT mislynching townies. 

 

But please, get into a semantics argument with me. Those are always a doozy.

 

 

@ NYN It seems to need to be pointed out that LILYS TRAIN DIDNT GO THRU EITHER.  if she hadnt been vigged would you be making the same claim on her?

 

it's more what i'm not seeing that worries me. I'd like to see some real general impressions, maybe even a reads list, from him. He comes in, comments a bit, and is off again. It's not enough for me to be able to clear him as town. He is quite capable as wolf. 

 

this is fair enuff. except maybe the capable bit lol. I did warn you that the SK game had me in its grips tho. now its over i can focus more if work lets me.

[v]Dice[/v]

 

You are breaking my heart.

 

only if your mafia