Escape From The Carnival Of Horrors! Game Thread [Mafia Win]

[Nolder]

Then let someone shoot her at Night. Lynching her feels like a waste imo and I don't think any of that behavior is a sure fire sign that she got a Mafia pm.

 

I'd rather swing someone a lot more controversial with info to be gleaned from. I can't shake the feeling I got towards EOD yesterday thru this point.

 

[v]Nolder[/v]

There's that word again...

[Nolder]

 

What makes you so sure Nolder is a villager? What makes Hallia the most likely wolf iyo?

They aren't mutually exclusive. They could both be villagers, but Nolder does sound sincere. He had a good op.

 

Recently the pacing of his posts irt what he responds to is consistent with character and pov, and tone is good. He also shows a good understanding of thread flow and a strong inquisitiveness that I identify with a villager pov.

 

And ya, were Hallia town we learn nothing, but the same can be said of anybody we lynch. And if instead we vig. scum, we learn less than if we had lynched them. So lynch scum. Shoot maybe townies. That's how this rocket goes.

 

LOL! You can't make this shit up.

 

Hours later he'll come at me basically accusing me of not paying attention. Amazing.

[Nolder]

This game is too similar to her other games in respect to quality of content.

 

[unvote] [v]Leelou[/v]

My my my how convenient.

 

Also no reason for voting Leelou? That's bad.

 

I let you (and Leelou) slide voting Hallia with no reason because I think you were just trying to get her attention but Leelou has been active enough that that would be unnecessary. I'd like you to explain this vote when you get the chance.

[Nolder]

Sili/Red/Hallia

 

Good game guys.

[Niniel]

I have read D2 in small parts a little now and then so I don´t remember much. Will go back and see what has been posted. I promise you that I won´t read Nolder´s and Sili´s posts. I stopped getting what they were talking about after a page or two. 

[Kaylee]

Nol: Lee said, regarding Hally, that she does it at either alignment. I've seen her do it too.

[Kaylee]

Here's my thoughts on everyone currently.

 

Verbal32 - I think he's town. He definitely had a good start and imo Verbal's scum game is to lurk and argue a lot. I would like more insight from him but I know he's been busy and now we're on the weekend. Only thing I want to note on the chance that my read is wrong is that I didn't like the fact that he voted nobody D1.

 

Sili Quirrels - I have mixed feelings about Sili. The main thing I had going with him I was wrong about but there's other stuff I don't like (ex. Hallia seems Halliaish) but most of it could probably be dismissed as him just being a weird player. Also the fact that he says he was fine with lynching Dice but never voted him still bothers me. I'm still leaning scum though but I think I'm going to back off for now since arguing with him has become distracting. If he is scum I have no doubt he'll go on to show it more and more.

 

Thane Vakarian - Still leaning scum on him. I don't recall him posting since Nyn's flip so nothing's changed here other than the fact that I want him to post more.

 

Hallia - Still sticking to what I last said. I think Hallia is meeting her scum MO which is to hit and run and lurk until called out. Also her overall postcount/activity is very low. That's par the course as some have pointed out but when she IS town her posts are usually more meaningful than what we're seeing right now imo. Also she never responded to what I asked her last time she voted for me. I see she's made a few posts though which I haven't read so maybe she did finally respond.

 

TinaHel - Quiet but that's not unusual for her. Would like to see some more posts since I think she's the lowest poster besides Hallia. Null.

 

The Crusher - Crusher usually isn't like your regular go to scumhunter. He usually relies on meta and gut instincts so it's not unusual for him to just joke around. That said he knows people know this and abuses that meta as scum. I believe Verbal noted this earlier which is another reason I feel good about him. Anyway if Crusher doesn't kick into gear he's probably scum. Null.

 

Leelou - I don't really remember too much from Leelou but what I do remember wasn't anything bad. I feel like she might be relying on Verbal declaring her town finally which makes me paranoid that they're scum together and it's all an act. Wanna see a bit more interaction with other people from her. Null leaning town.

 

Kaylee - Kind of the same case as Leelou in that I don't remember too much of what she's said but what I do remember I don't like. Particularly her vote on Dice. Actually that's the only thing that's really bugging me. I need to go back and check who it was that came up with the active lurking case first. I'll note to be fair that just because someone wasn't first doesn't mean they can't see the same thing and agree. But that said I WOULD feel better if Kaylee was the first. Maybe just need to see her making more cases on people. Null leaning scum.

 

Andrej - Completely null. I keep flip flopping on Andrej. Sometimes I feel like he's following other people and just leeching off their gameplay and then he gets more involved for awhile and then he falls back into the background again. Maybe that's kind of a good thing since when you're a loud mouth like me you just argue with people for 20 pages and get nothing done. Anyway I have no damn idea what AJ's alignment is.

 

 

Red2111 - Really worried about Red as I noted when looking at her vote. In fact, following up on that I think it's safe to say she's my biggest scumread. I'd like to see her address what I've said when she gets the chance.

It wasn't the first time I've mentioned Dice. I'll try to pull both quotes. I'm on mobile. Haven't left yet.

[Kaylee]

1. Verb: Town. He's making good points and coming across as town to me.

2. Sili: Null to scum. I have a hard time reading him. His frustration seems genuine. His read posts had Hally and Crush at > 75% town when they have little to no content at the time. I had unvoted because of his response and frustration seeming real. after looking at him and ISO I have him as more null to possible scum.

3. Thane: Null. His frieds list is mostly a summary. He then list tops come reads but I didn't see a reason for them.

4. Hally: Null. Sounding better with her catch up posts, but waiting to hear more from her. Not sure how I feel about her vote on Nolder yet.

5. Nolder: Null town. I was getting a town read on him. I don't understand his comment on Verbal saying he's the top of his game and yet he's going to keep his eye on him. As Nyn pointed out some of his reads were unclear. Need him to clarify.

6. Tina: Town. Town feel to her posts. She latched onto something that stood out to her, making read list and speaking her mind.

7. Crusher: Null. No real content to go off of.

8. Nyn: Town. Still getting town vibes. The way she's actively pointing things out she seems to be genuinely scum hunting.

9. Leelou: Unsure. I thought her reads list looks pretty good, but watching her interactions with Verbal. I tend to get a better read on her when she's interacting with him. His suspicions of her makes me want to wait to read her.

10. AJ: Town. Still getting town vibes. I like his interactions with Tina, the way he was asking her questions.

11. Dice: Null to scum. He's active yet not saying much. His joke vote felt awkward. Not so much the vote but his insisting it was a joke. I don't know how to describe it but it didn't feel natural.

12. Red: Scum lean. First the QT comment. That has been disproved. If you copy a quote, as he claims to have done, or if you copy from your notes then it shows the formatting. I've seen mislynches as a result. Secondly in your original thoughts you had Tina, Dice and Crusher were your top candidates. Roughly 2 hours later your reads list had Tina as null to town saying she wasn't scummy. You also listed Dice and Crusher as Null for not enough content. Why the change? You then vote Thane, which is fine as he was in your scum pile. Then post #194 you say Dice is firmly in your scum pile. You gave twins it seemed like you believe yet you didn't switch your vote. To me that pinged because half your reasons for voting Thane was for pressure yet Dice seems to be "firmly" in your scum pile. If that's true why not switch your vote to your stronger scum read?

[v]Red[/v]

  

I'd be willing to vote for Dice for being active yet not saying much. Less sure of Nol for his unclear reads list and since disappearing, willing to vote here as well. Still unsure on Lee and Verb, being a strong town read of mine, not trusting her makes me willing to vote here.

There you go.

[Kaylee]

I had mentioned him in my initial reads list. Not sure if I was first to say it but I did say it before the second post you had mentioned.

[Niniel]

 

 

Town

 

Verbal - like I said, went down to business right away and didn´t post a lot of fluff. Seems to take the game seriously. I like many of his posts.

Sili - I´ve already said why. Active, not afraid to stand out. Like I said in last game - this doesn´t mean that I will follow him.

Nyn - good posts. She is asking a lot of questions and pointing things out. 

 

Red - I generally have a problem with Red´s posting because she is writing a lot, she is agressive and often I can´t follow her thoughts (like with Sili).  I don´t agree with everything she says in this game (actually far from it) but I get a town feeling from her. She explains herself better and she is more focused when pointing things out. I like her thoughts on Dice. I didn´t understand her first post being a joke it´s not strange that others missed it. 

 

People that I don´t have an oppinion on/neutral read:

 

Hallia - haven´t posted much

Crusher - haven´t posted much. 

 

People that I´m not sure about: 

 

AJ - I like the posts that he has done today. I still have that gutfeeling that everything isn´t right but I´m not sure if I should listen to it or not. 

Kaylee - at first I liked her posts. Actually, I still like many of her posts. It´s just that she seems to go with the flow, both with voting and unvoting. Now, that is putting her in the spotlight so the question is if it wouldn´t have been easier for her to hold on to something and stayed there. Not sure.

Thane - I said it in another post - his list looks a lot like my own but he didn´t comment much on what he actually thought about everyone. At the same time this reminds me of several games where he has been town. Not sure. 

 

 

Possible mafia:

 

Dice - when I got his post explained to me I can see why Red suspected him. It was a strange joke vote when everyone was into the game already. He has few posts and he isn´t really scum hunting in any of them. This is what I associate with his mafia game.

Leelou - annoyed Leelou can be both town and mafia. Busy Leelou can be both town and mafia. Her list was neither good or bad. But what stood out to me was that she asked Verb to post more Spiderman pics. I know she has found Verb as mafia when he is hiding behind spam so this is a strange request. 

Nolder - I´m not sure if we are playing the same game. Now that he showed up he focused on Sili´s old posts from the beginning of day 1. There are so much more to comment on. I also don´t like the comment about me earlier. 

 

 

[v] Dice [/v]

 

 

 

This was my last list, posted on D1. Here is were I´m now:

 

 

Town:

 

Verbal: I still have him as town. I like how he questioned AJ.

Sili: OMG! Stop posting so much. (I appologize to you and Nolder for not reading all of your post. I got lost after a while and had no idea what you were arguing about. I´m sure I might have missed something important but I just couldn´t read it.) I still have him as town because of his D1 activity. 

Red: well she hasn´t posted much but I understand her vote on Kay

 

People that I´m not sure about:

 

AJ: Have some good comments, especially about Nolder. But I didn´t like his back and forth with Verbal. He is more close to town than mafia. 

Crusher: I think I could read him okay when I played at JN but here at DM I can´t. He posts too little. I guess his list was okay but has he done anything after that? Need more content.

Thane: The same as Crusher. He has posted too little. I guess it´s because of rl but he takes his time to come in and not actually say much at all. Need more content.

Leelou: I still don´t like her comments to Verb on D1 but I like her vote on Hally. It´s hard for me to understand people when I suspect them and then they make a good case on someone else that I also suspect. I´m on the fence about Leelou.

 

Nolder: Like AJ said, I remember that Nolder has done this as mafia before - posted a lot! I´m not sure if it´s to look active or to hide things or... 

Kaylee: She posted a list in #798, which was very vague. The only people she seems sure of is her town reads = afraid to point out mafia. (I´ll post it in next post.)

Hally: She had very few posts yesterday and those she has today is not very convincing. She thinks AJ/Verb is town-town  but Sili/Nol is mafia-town. She says that she can vote one of them. Like it doesn´t matter who. Her stance on Leelou is strange. She thinks Leelou is town but she doesn´t agree with Leelou that her vote on Nolder was OMGUS. The she questions why Leelou thinks Sili/Nol is town-town. So why does she think Leelou is town? It looks like she is trying to buddying her since she is voting her. I´ll post quotes in next post.

 

 

Summary: I could vote Nolder, Kaylee or Hally. 

[Niniel]

Here is Kaylee´s list. She said she would come back with a new list after re-reading. 

 

1. Verbal32 - Town

2. Sili Quirrels - not sure honestly keep going back and forth, will look at him more tomorrow night.

3. Thane Vakarian - an
other i need to look back on.

4. Hallia - Null to scum. Leaning scum from the EOD and lack of content. I know she's done that as town too though so hoping she comes back soon...

5. Nolder- another one I keep going back and forth on. Leaning town atm.

6. TinaHel- town lean

7. The Crusher- first game together so Unsure need to go back through.

9. Leelou- Leaning scum. Mostly has to do with my strong town read of Verb and his feelings on her tbh.

10. Kaylee

11. Andrej- feeling town but the exchange with Verbal has me questioning that...

13. Red2111- IDK. Really need to read back through. I liked her bulldog reaction on me. Made it fell like her town game but will read through again.

 

Basically she has me and Verb as town. She is conflicted on several and needs to read up on the rest. Basically a lot of fence sitting and being afraid of taking a stance. Now, she said she would come back with better reads but then I really don´t see the point of this list. To look active? She has taken time to defend her actions from yesterday. 

[Niniel]

Hallia´s posts:

 

Rereading, Up through page 32, AJ/Verb back and forth reads like town on town.  :(  Hate that we lost Nyn.

 

A short sentence that she never explains. Why does it read like town on town when ...

 

o.o

 

Dat Nol/Sili.  I'm fairly certain one of them is scum.  It doesn't read to me like town on town.

 

she is certain that one of Nol and Sili is mafia? She doesn´t explain this read either.

 

Up through 37 - Feeling good about Leelou.  Her opinion on me is spot on, I haven't brought my town game the past two days, I forgot about my guests coming in. v.v'

 

That being said, I completely disagree that my vote on him was omgsus.

 

So she agree´s with Leelou´s case against her. But disagree about part of it. 

 

 

@Leelou Can you explain why you have Sili and Nolder both in your town pile? I'm assuming it's from their exchange over the past 36hrs?

STAHP MINDMELDING WITH ME <3

 

I've got friends over this morning, give me a bit til they leave to catch up

You had a breakfast party without telling me?!

 

My wow guildies are here visiting

 

COME TO LUNCH WITH US TOMORROW

 

 

And here she joins AJ in wondering why Leelou has Sili and Nolder as town. It really looks like she is trying to buddy one of those going after her the most.

 

RE:Thane and you that is.

 

 

 

I'd be willing to revote Nol, or you, as I'm pretty confident between you both there's a scum.

 

And she hasn´t even decided who of them looks more scummy. 

 

 

In short: She doesn´t explain her reads. It´s easy to just say "town-town" or "mafia-town" without explaining. And it looks like she is trying to buddy Leelou away from voting her.

 

 

[v] Hallia [/v] 

 

 

My only problem with this vote is that I had Leelou as mafia and now I´m following her vote. But it seems like people that I suspect suspects each other and it makes it hard for me. 

 

 

As I said, I´m also willing to vote Nolder and Kaylee. I´ll be here back and forth for a few hours. 

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

 

What makes you so sure Nolder is a villager? What makes Hallia the most likely wolf iyo?

They aren't mutually exclusive. They could both be villagers, but Nolder does sound sincere. He had a good op.

 

Recently the pacing of his posts irt what he responds to is consistent with character and pov, and tone is good. He also shows a good understanding of thread flow and a strong inquisitiveness that I identify with a villager pov.

 

And ya, were Hallia town we learn nothing, but the same can be said of anybody we lynch. And if instead we vig. scum, we learn less than if we had lynched them. So lynch scum. Shoot maybe townies. That's how this rocket goes.

LOL! You can't make this shit up.

 

Hours later he'll come at me basically accusing me of not paying attention. Amazing.

I was wrong. Standards too low and i was biased.

[Hallia]

Hallia´s posts:

 

Rereading, Up through page 32, AJ/Verb back and forth reads like town on town.  :(  Hate that we lost Nyn.

 

A short sentence that she never explains. Why does it read like town on town when ...

 

o.o

 

Dat Nol/Sili.  I'm fairly certain one of them is scum.  It doesn't read to me like town on town.

 

she is certain that one of Nol and Sili is mafia? She doesn´t explain this read either.

 

Up through 37 - Feeling good about Leelou.  Her opinion on me is spot on, I haven't brought my town game the past two days, I forgot about my guests coming in. v.v'

 

That being said, I completely disagree that my vote on him was omgsus.

 

So she agree´s with Leelou´s case against her. But disagree about part of it. 

 

 

@Leelou Can you explain why you have Sili and Nolder both in your town pile? I'm assuming it's from their exchange over the past 36hrs?

STAHP MINDMELDING WITH ME <3

 

I've got friends over this morning, give me a bit til they leave to catch up

You had a breakfast party without telling me?!

 

My wow guildies are here visiting

 

COME TO LUNCH WITH US TOMORROW

 

 

And here she joins AJ in wondering why Leelou has Sili and Nolder as town. It really looks like she is trying to buddy one of those going after her the most.

 

RE:Thane and you that is.

 

 

 

I'd be willing to revote Nol, or you, as I'm pretty confident between you both there's a scum.

 

And she hasn´t even decided who of them looks more scummy. 

 

 

In short: She doesn´t explain her reads. It´s easy to just say "town-town" or "mafia-town" without explaining. And it looks like she is trying to buddy Leelou away from voting her.

 

 

[v] Hallia [/v] 

 

 

My only problem with this vote is that I had Leelou as mafia and now I´m following her vote. But it seems like people that I suspect suspects each other and it makes it hard for me. 

 

 

As I said, I´m also willing to vote Nolder and Kaylee. I´ll be here back and forth for a few hours. 

 

Uh....

[Sili Quirrels]

Nolder twists the narrative. Same problems as before.

 

Though i did make a mistake. I should have explained nolder started out defending my lack of vote but changed his mind. I imply it i believe but i dont think i was clear enough.

[Niniel]

And Hally turns up as soon as she gets mentioned...

[Sili Quirrels]

Makes me go mental too.

[Cory Caboose]

D2.2 Vote Count

 

 

Kaylee (1): Red2111

Hallia (2): Leelou, TinaHel

Nolder (2): Andrej, Sili Quirrels

 

Not Voting (6): Verbal32, Thane Vakarian, Hallia, Nolder, The Crusher, Kaylee

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

 

[Cory Caboose]

[Kaylee]

Here is Kaylee´s list. She said she would come back with a new list after re-reading.

 

 

1. Verbal32 - Town

 

2. Sili Quirrels - not sure honestly keep going back and forth, will look at him more tomorrow night.

 

3. Thane Vakarian - an

other i need to look back on.

 

4. Hallia - Null to scum. Leaning scum from the EOD and lack of content. I know she's done that as town too though so hoping she comes back soon...

 

5. Nolder- another one I keep going back and forth on. Leaning town atm.

 

6. TinaHel- town lean

 

7. The Crusher- first game together so Unsure need to go back through.

 

9. Leelou- Leaning scum. Mostly has to do with my strong town read of Verb and his feelings on her tbh.

 

10. Kaylee

 

11. Andrej- feeling town but the exchange with Verbal has me questioning that...

 

13. Red2111- IDK. Really need to read back through. I liked her bulldog reaction on me. Made it fell like her town game but will read through again.

Basically she has me and Verb as town. She is conflicted on several and needs to read up on the rest. Basically a lot of fence sitting and being afraid of taking a stance. Now, she said she would come back with better reads but then I really don´t see the point of this list. To look active? She has taken time to defend her actions from yesterday.

Incorrect. Not afraid to take a stance just some I'm unsure of. I'm not afraid to find mafia, I was just hoping by D2 that I'd have better reads. I'm only on mobile and can't ISO very well that way. I've been reading along to stay caught up but in order to have a better read I like to go back through when I have time. I stated in sign ups that I'd be scarse this weekend.

[Kaylee]

Besides read that list and you see in leaning scum on some and leaning town on others, but just you and Verb. As far as why make that list because I was asked for reads or where I stood. I see deadline is in a few hours. I wasn't expecting deadline to be on a weekend since not everyone can get online.

[Red2111]

[unvote]  [v]Nol[/v]

 

 

first, i dislike how everyone is saying "ya i could vote Kay" but her wagon never gains traction.  thats a #1 sign of someone being scum imo

 

 

2nd Nols recent posts are coming off as ubber scummy.  he's been called out for bogging down the thread and laughed it off while continuing it; now he's being manipulative in his casing (like with his case on me with the Dice lynch)

 

 

Sili is in firm Redzone now, Nol is in Orange/Red zone.   AJ i'm moving up to lawkclear with Verb, and TIna is in he high bluezone.   Hallia is null to scum, but more null.  crush is null to town, but more null.

 

 

i can switch to Sili just as fine, but would prefer Kay cause i'm 98% on her being scum at this point


 

Idk man. I don't think anything of that actually makes *her* Mafia. Seems to me she's just returned to her lurking ways, which makes me sad.

This lynch feels kind of scapegoatey to me. We didn't gather much info from Dice and I think we'll find even less with Hallia.

 
yeah, Hallia was coming off as disinterested townie.  i dislike the reason for her wagon, its scummy and couple that with whose leading it.  Tina makes fair points about how shes suddenly responding though
 

 

[unvote]

[v]dice

Willing to switch to thane, Kay or leelou as well.

Nothing here in the way of reasoning which worried me so I looked back through the last few posts Red had before this and the closest thing I could find to a Dice case was this:

is it bad that i'm not looking forward to ISOing Sili  <_<
 
 
can someone do it for me  xD    nah, i'll ISO Sili, but wont be until after the deadline.  got to get back to work and then D&D until 10pm tonight.  will be keeping up with the game from my tablet though.
 
 
would prefer a Kay, Leelou or Thane over Dice, but Dice will give some info imo.

Which rings a lot of alarm bells for me. First because it's devoid of reasoning in itself. Secondly she says she prefers Kay, Leelou or Thane over Dice...but ends up voting Dice over the other three. And thirdly I really hate the "info" line. It's so scummy in my experience. Just an excuse to justify a lynch which otherwise isn't justifiable.

 

 
i ISO'd Dice http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/92636-escape-from-the-carnival-of-horrors-game-thread-day-2/?p=3416987
 
you're down to the Orange zone for me with these recent posts
 
 

 

*thwaps am & verb* I have u guys as town, no arguing like that >:(

Nol and sili gave me a headache but the entire thing is a null for me. *double thwaps nol for the tunneling comment*

Sili not voting dice at deadline even though he said he would moves him to the red for me. The move comes off as him wanting to avoid vote analysis pattern sloothing later on. I also dislike his early game linking himself to dice moves

Nyn being gone sucks.

Hallia is starting to ping hard with her lurktasticness

Only change in my reads list is to move sili from Orange to red, and hallia to orange. I can vote leelou, sili, thane or kay.

[v]Kay[/v]

I agree with what she's saying here but this is a good example of what I was talking about with Sili.
Someone spouting suspicions but voting someone else. 
It's scummy. Why didn't she vote Sili?

 

 
you look at this post but dont look at my list, where Sili is higher up than Kay.   i voted Kay because i found her more scummy.  i explained why in my ISO on her.  if you want to know why i found her scummy then look up the ISO
 

And Hally turns up as soon as she gets mentioned...

 
i noticed that as well, and now its making me wonder if shes lurking scum rather than disinterested townie.

[Kaylee]

Tina: as far as defending myself... of course I'm going to. I'm town and apparently on a lot of people's WTL lists. I'm trying but honestly just having a hard time reading some people.

[Andrej]

I think Kaylee is being genuine here.

 

She doesn't really fit into my idea of who the scum team is.

 

I'll explain more in a bit

[Sili Quirrels]

I've gone back to Nolder's mq.

 

 

 

 

verbal - You don't like his no vote, but leelou said it wasn't unusual

Yeah, she did. I also noted that it's possible they're mafia together and thus statements like that are to be taken with a grain of salt at the very least.

Not in your list, you don't.  And they probably aren't w/w together too, that sounds like paranoia.
 

Sili - you don't like halliash, but never bother to explain what you mean.

there's not much else to say, so i guess I like Hallia's content. I think it's because her reads feel very 'halliaish'.
 
Is it a soul read? I dunno. I just a good initial vibe and there's nothing else to say.

Don't remember this? Aren't you paying attention?

Unless I should take nonsense and empty air as sufficient explication, you hadn't explained it until just recently.
 

you don't comment on my recent progression,

What does that even mean?

Day 2 material. What was the point of all that if not to understand each other better.
 

i don't even know why you think no-voting is odd when it meant nothing to you last night. That adjustment is way too convenient; like, it looks like you're latching on to a little controversy and parroting it without critical thought. News flash: Dice was at L-1. There was no way I was voting him unless there was a competing wagon to trump.
 
You don't seem to comprehend what you're saying. Do you even believe it?

This was something I had a nice long response to that got lost.
Let's start with the quote though.

I was thinking about waiting for D2 but something's been bugging me since yesterday and I wanna get it off my chest both before I forget and in case I die.
 
I don't like that Sili said he'd vote for Dice but never actually did. It's like he's accepting responsibility now thinking that it looks and hoping we'll forget later when we examine lynch trains. Maybe that's way off you know. He might even be scum but not doing that intentionally. It's just a thought I had and I wanted to get it out.
 
So, yeah.
 
What's everyone doing this weekend?

Meant nothing to me? That's why I posted about it right?
Parroting? Who am I parroting? Who said that before me?

Now this is the part that pisses me off that I lost the most but I'll try to hit the important points again.

This is what I'm talking about when I say you're making strong statements without really knowing people.
Do I even believe it? Maybe if you'd actually played more than a couple games with me you'd know what I believe instead of just spouting bullshit about what you think you know about me.

If I knew you better, maybe I wouldn't be giving it as much weight, but as you say... I don't.

If you'd played with me enough you'd know that I don't abide people voting without a reason and not voting someone while continually casting suspicion on them. I hound those people and vote them until they give a reason or they vote the people they supposedly think are suspicious. Why? Because it nails them down. When someone votes someone else and gives no reason and later it comes up they can give any reason they want that's convenient at the time. But if you force them to give the reason they have no wiggle room. Why do you think they record everything you say in court? Why do you think they take peoples depositions? Because it nails their asses down to a set of statements and once you have them nailed down you can go over what they've said they believe and look for inconsistencies and contradictions.

That's why when I see you choosing not to vote Dice it sets off alarm bells. It's possible you're just thinking to yourself "the deadline is soon and we have a majority anyway so my vote doesn't matter". Maybe. Maybe. It's possible. It's also possible that you were hoping you could take responsibility for Dice's lynch in the short term but by not being on the train people would forget you had anything to do with it as the game went on. That's possible too.

You understand I comment to the effect I don't want to lynch Dice before eod? That's my reason down on paper like you seem to want.

So you're going to sit over there and say things like "this is Nolder's town game" and "this is Nolder's scum game" when you don't even really know me. Do I believe it? How the hell would you know either way? You really don't and that's what I've been getting at all game about you. You don't know but you make these strong statements about people anyway. It's either scummy or...looking for the right word here. Maybe arrogant? You think you know everything about people so quick and when you show your ignorance it REALLY shows. I never say this is your town game - honestly don't think I know it well enough to even say that. What I do say is this reminds me of your last scum game, specifically, in certain ways. That could mean you're town and there's a bit of overlap, or it could mean you're mafia. All I'm pointing out is that you're capable of bad reads as scum.
 

Thane - Have him as scum, but don't show a reason.

Actually I said leaning scum. And my reasoning is the same as before because like I said I don't recall him posting yet since Nyn's death so my read on him hasn't changed.

You simply state he hasn't posted much like he did last game.

I never said anything about "last game". You made that up.

Not taken as intended. I am pointing out you seem to think Thane is scum, and the only reason you give is sporadic activity, which is pretty much how he came across last game. My gut says there are some differences to be sure, but I don't see anything compelling in your case that would lead someone to a scum lean.
 

Hallia - Hallia said your meta is wrong of her, and that you should know as much.

Ok? So because she said I'm wrong I guess that must be true.

Sarcasm aside I believe Leelou also backed this meta read of her scum game.

 

Leelou said it wasn't indicative either way, which is to say she didn't agree with your read.

And I don't believe villager you forgets this/doesn't mention it in a reads list of this volume.

There you go making statements about me again.
How many games have we played together? This is the third I think right? One of our games together was very brief and I was scum. You really think you know what "villager me" does or doesn't do? I don't know. I have thoughts though. And maybe I'm projecting a little since I would have if I wanted to be thorough.

Anyway I don't see why I would mention it. Hallia disagrees with me. Cool. Whatever. It's still my read and I'm still going to post my read when I post my list of reads.
 

And as I have pointed out, Hallia's post quality is in line with what I've seen from her other town games.

That's your opinion.
Cool.

I thought this was supposed to be some sort of take down about how my reads are lacking or incomplete, not how you disagree with everything I say? Those two aren't the same thing you know.

Tina - Re.
"Tina - Quiet but that's not unusual for her. Would like to see some more posts since I think she's the lowest poster besides Hallia. Null."
This is almost a blasphemous reduction of her content. I would vote you on this statement alone and not look back.

Explain how please.

Just ISO her. She has few posts but she says a lot in them. I'm sure you can come up with better than 'null' when no one besides you has her as null.
 

The Crusher - You put him down as null, but intone he could be lurking the thread.

Not how I put it but sure. What about it?  Looks like a soft nudge, fishing for a wagon. Phrased awkwardly enough that it tilts me, etc.

You offer no hard opinion of your own.

...

. . .

I JUST GAVE my opinion. And your opinion is soft and fence-sitting.
 

Also, how does Verbal noting someone's meta without drawing any conclusions from it a sign that he's town?

It doesn't necessarily.
They could easily be teammates.
But it would mean that Verbal is playing for the long game and in either case it makes me feel more confident in my town read. Calling out people for scum behavior is generally town behavior. Scum don't usually distance so early.
But... why doesn't scum expound a town's meta when asked? It's not as if they can't or won't if they want to be 'useful'. Because what's in it for Verbal to ignore my request for information? Probably a lot of hassle because I don't like it when someone actively ignores me.
 

Leelou - Pretty sure Leelou is at the bottom of the poe for a reason.

That reason being? Her response to verbal. Her fence-sitting, which she really shouldn't be doing as much as she has in my opinion (could be wrong here and would need to reeducate myself before I say more), and her missing 15 hours or so. I've noted that her excuse she's busy seems more shallow than usual. She brings it up when not asked at night, and I think that was completely unnecessary unless she'st trying to push an agenda.

You reading her as town so easily despite all the talk about her is a big red flag.

Ok.

I still don't see how this is some take down and not just you disagreeing with everything I say. Basically it shows you haven't been paying attention.

Kaylee - Why don't you like her vote on dice?

It wasn't exactly her vote on Dice so much as it was the reasoning. I recall several people using the same reasoning which makes me worried she's just sheeping. I already noted that this isn't necessarily and indication of her being scum (which is why I list her as null).  Then why bring it up as much as you did if it's in the end null?

Everyone voted dice.

No they didn't. Don't be like that. Everyone around wanted/had no problem with voting dice.

Dice was rand to be scum at that point in the thread for a plethora of reasons.

I don't know what that means. My fault. I mean Dice had a lot of scum equity.

Also, this is another instance of you, Nolder, not knowing anything about the subject of an easy read.

I admitted in Kaylee's case I don't remember much of what she's said. I talked about what seemed relevant to me and the game which was her vote. Which ended up being null.
 

Aj - While I agree Aj is hard to read, I also recognize Aj has been pretty reasonable and on the ball, and is actually kind of clean as we approach eod2. So a 'completely' null read on him doesn't cut it at this point. You needed to put your foot down and take a stance, and you don't.

I don't have a read on him yet and I'm not going to force one just because that bothers you.
If you don't like it vote me. Oh right, you did. So...what are we doing here again? Just going over how you disagree with everything I say right? I'm going over how lacking your list is. It really is kind of hollow and devoid of compelling logic, and I'm having trouble seeing how it isn't a wolf's list. I shouldn't be able to disagree with it to this extent.

Red - wut. you haven't talked about red in so long, i'd forgotten (?) you'd had a scum lean on her.

Oh, aren't you paying attention?

And actually she went from town read to scum read. I don't have a perfect memory... and you were changing your stance on her after all? You don't give anything specific in your strongest scum read in this list, and prior to it you don't even have this person as scum. What is Red supposed to be replying to??

Now she's your strongest suspect?

Yep. I said my D1 list was subject to change.

I'm counting 2 town leans, 5 scum leans, and 3 null. The amount of scum and null at this point is bad when you consider you spend more time arguing with me and socializing with the thread than hunting scum.

Maybe I'd have more time to scumhunt if I wasn't busy dealing with the dumb shit you keep coming up with. That was unfortunately you, lol. You were the one who misrepresented me, and I was the one who took you to task over it. And it was YOUR fault for being such an airhead that the conversation went on so long.
You know, like I was doing when I first signed on today before you side tracked me? Yeah. That's not how it works.

And before you go "oh well I didn't MAKE you do anything" don't even try because you were clearly bitching at me to post more content as I was even typing it and sniping at each thing as it came. You keep talking about engaging me and now you're going to complain that I spend too much time arguing with you? GFY I didn't say you should offer me a list. I tell you once that I'm expecting more from you, after 40 or so minutes of radio silence.
 

 

 

 

Not much else to say, except I felt a response was necessary to show I do care. And to be perfectly honest Nolder has good tone and I can't get over that. I feel like he would be more obvious if he was scum based on what he told me about his scum game.

 

So tl;dr I'm not sure where I stand. Read is currently in flux after going back and forth on him twice.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if scum was exactly Red leelou and thane. And I'm bashing my head in to find out who fits better in my game solve: Hallia or Nolder.

 

Thane is curiously absent today. I kind of figured he would be in here making reads.