[Advanced] Avengers - Age of Ultron (GAME OVER!)

[Tommyrod]

 

The ****? Because I'm AWESOME and now CONFIRMED AWESOME??

 

You're confirmed nothing until you're actually CONFIRMED.

That is their actions and confirming the veracity of their statements. But what did their actions achieve? Trying to stop a extremely fast building lynch that IMO looked quite like a townie mislynch.

 

 

Why are you white-knighting this X? Seems a strange place for you to jump in.

...For one time only. Why use it now? If they are scum/scum, why not wait until later in the game when they could possibly swing it in their favor?

 

24 players. 6 scum (likely). Tommy "clears" his scummates one by one with fake claims. It takes 5 days. That is 5 lynches, 5 NK's (if not more with powers). Doing it now they could swing a perfect game.

YET YOU DONT WANT ME TO USE IT AND CONFIRM BOTH OF US.

 

LOL YOU.

[Tyler Glembo]

You are either scum or being intentionally obtuse. Whichever it is -- I hardly care. Get out of this thread. You're awful.

 

Bullying doesn't work on me.

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[v]darthe[/v]

[Nolder]

 

But I don't know why you're letting Darthe walk away from being tested.

After posting his role PM you'd think you'd jump at the chance to confirm him.

It's basically a free lie detection.

I totally agree with this. I don't get darthe not wanting to be tested, either.

 

He's shifted gears every chance just like scum would.

He went from emo self voting to ok let's test me to ok I'm clear let's lynch someone else.

Makes no sense.

[Tommyrod]

 

But I don't know why you're letting Darthe walk away from being tested.

After posting his role PM you'd think you'd jump at the chance to confirm him.

It's basically a free lie detection.

I totally agree with this. I don't get darthe not wanting to be tested, either.

He already posted his PM and it checks out with his soft claims earlier. Lynching someone else gives us the possibility of getting scum. Lynching him just re-confirms him. Easy to see the difference.

[Tyler Glembo]

YET YOU DONT WANT ME TO USE IT AND CONFIRM BOTH OF US.

LOL YOU.

 

 

Why don't you actually learn to read?  Yes I want you to use it.  Yes I think it can help town IF you're not lying.  But, you posting that you learned something that none of the rest of  us can verify doesn't clear either of you if you're scum/scum.  Only after one of you dies does it clear you and everyone else you've posted their role PM of.

 

 

Further, do you really think Mynd would put your power in if there were no way to counter. 

[Tyler Glembo]

Okay, seriously need to rush to my 11:30 meeting.  Carry on.

[Darthe]

Waste of a power and a lynch and the only benefit that would really come from it would be that I would have to essentially spend my power on me every night from now on.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

YET YOU DONT WANT ME TO USE IT AND CONFIRM BOTH OF US.

LOL YOU.

 

Why don't you actually learn to read? Yes I want you to use it. Yes I think it can help town IF you're not lying. But, you posting that you learned something that none of the rest of us can verify doesn't clear either of you if you're scum/scum. Only after one of you dies does it clear you and everyone else you've posted their role PM of.

 

 

Further, do you really think Mynd would put your power in if there were no way to counter.

I hate this line, but what do you think would counter it? A day Roleblocker?

[Nolder]

"Once Darthe posted his full PM my ability became just a fact check on him. If he doesn't die within a few nights we can re-assess, but as far as I'm concerned based on his PM, his soft claims, and his newfound WIM, he's lock town."

 

But it's not just your concern.

It's all of ours.

 

And tbh your choices are pretty much check Darthe, let him be lynched for real, or random lynch.

The odds of getting enough people on another train in time are slim to none.

[Nolder]

 

 

But I don't know why you're letting Darthe walk away from being tested.

After posting his role PM you'd think you'd jump at the chance to confirm him.

It's basically a free lie detection.

I totally agree with this. I don't get darthe not wanting to be tested, either.

He already posted his PM and it checks out with his soft claims earlier. Lynching someone else gives us the possibility of getting scum. Lynching him just re-confirms him. Easy to see the difference.

 

What does checking out with soft claims have to do with anything? A preplanned fakeclaim will obviously jive with early crumbs.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

But I don't know why you're letting Darthe walk away from being tested.

After posting his role PM you'd think you'd jump at the chance to confirm him.

It's basically a free lie detection.

I totally agree with this. I don't get darthe not wanting to be tested, either.

He's shifted gears every chance just like scum would.

He went from emo self voting to ok let's test me to ok I'm clear let's lynch someone else.

Makes no sense.

His progression makes perfect sense. You're REALLY bad since last night.

[Nolder]

 

 

YET YOU DONT WANT ME TO USE IT AND CONFIRM BOTH OF US.

LOL YOU.

Why don't you actually learn to read? Yes I want you to use it. Yes I think it can help town IF you're not lying. But, you posting that you learned something that none of the rest of us can verify doesn't clear either of you if you're scum/scum. Only after one of you dies does it clear you and everyone else you've posted their role PM of.

 

 

Further, do you really think Mynd would put your power in if there were no way to counter.

I hate this line, but what do you think would counter it? A day Roleblocker?

 

1 shot role stopper? aka you permanently lose your role

 

Or a vote controller would work just as well tbh

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

 

But I don't know why you're letting Darthe walk away from being tested.

After posting his role PM you'd think you'd jump at the chance to confirm him.

It's basically a free lie detection.

I totally agree with this. I don't get darthe not wanting to be tested, either.

He already posted his PM and it checks out with his soft claims earlier. Lynching someone else gives us the possibility of getting scum. Lynching him just re-confirms him. Easy to see the difference.

What does checking out with soft claims have to do with anything? A preplanned fakeclaim will obviously jive with early crumbs.

True but why are you more sure he's scum than town after what went down last night?

 

I don't care anymore. This is stupid. I'll hammer him and post his PM.

 

You're all terrible. Like legit bad at this game.

[Nolder]

 

 

 

But I don't know why you're letting Darthe walk away from being tested.

After posting his role PM you'd think you'd jump at the chance to confirm him.

It's basically a free lie detection.

I totally agree with this. I don't get darthe not wanting to be tested, either.

He's shifted gears every chance just like scum would.

He went from emo self voting to ok let's test me to ok I'm clear let's lynch someone else.

Makes no sense.

His progression makes perfect sense. You're REALLY bad since last night.

 

It really doesn't though. You're going to let a blatant AtE go because you think he had a nice claim?

Where is your sense of caution? A good townie has a healthy dose of skepticism and you seem to have lost all of yours.

[Nolder]

 

 

 

 

But I don't know why you're letting Darthe walk away from being tested.

After posting his role PM you'd think you'd jump at the chance to confirm him.

It's basically a free lie detection.

I totally agree with this. I don't get darthe not wanting to be tested, either.

He already posted his PM and it checks out with his soft claims earlier. Lynching someone else gives us the possibility of getting scum. Lynching him just re-confirms him. Easy to see the difference.

What does checking out with soft claims have to do with anything? A preplanned fakeclaim will obviously jive with early crumbs.

True but why are you more sure he's scum than town after what went down last night?

 

I don't care anymore. This is stupid. I'll hammer him and post his PM.

 

You're all terrible. Like legit bad at this game.

 

HONESTLY?

 

At this point I'm just trying to counter balance your apparent recklessness.

 

Although I do policy lynch self voters if you really want to know.

[Songstress]

I'm relatively certain that someone will have a way to confirm Tommy or Darthe if we go through with the plan to test Tommy's claim.

 

What confuses me is why Darthe seemed to be all for it for a bit there, talking about how he and the doc could survive to end game with coordination and whatnot, and then next thing I know he wants to forget that idea and lynch someone else. Does he not believe Tommy's claim after all?

 

I don't think there's enough consensus on anyone as a scum read to achieve a lynch outside of the "lynch Darthe and let Tommy hammer" plan. It's no worse than a no lynch at very least, and at least partially verifies Tommy and Darthe if it works as planned.

[Xthrax]

 

 

 

Bold-I thought you were all against people claiming. What happened? Why do you want his partner to claim? By your own logic-if they do, that'll be one more target for scum. This  is scummy.

Read that again.

Word by word.

And then tell me where the hell I said I wanted his partner to claim.

 

Italics-This is complete nonsense. Why don't you want to clear someone as town. As town-you're primary interests to be to stop town being lynched and to get scum lynched. Why don't you want to stop a town to be mislyched. And don't give that nonsense about  statistics being in favor of town lynched on D1.

I'm done arguing about it pretty much.

I will say that you're an idiot if you just want to assume Darthe is town after that self voting.

That's pretty much the most overtly scummy thing you can do in mafia.

And if he is town he's an idiot right along with you.

 

Bold-You said that-his partner claiming and thus vetting him is a back-up plan. Why would his partner claiming be a plan for you if you didn't want people to claim.

 

First of all, think about it for a second.

Why would I go off on people claiming if I wanted Tommy's partner to claim?

 

Now that you've taken a moment to think about it note, again, I never said I wanted Tommy's partner to claim.

I repeatedly asked him how he was going to confirm himself and then by proxy Darthe. FMPOV confirming Darthe to Tommy is pointless if we can't clear Tommy. I asked him more than once because I wanted to understand and I never really got a good answer. The partner claiming is the backup plan...but whats the main plan? I don't know and honestly I don't care anymore. Since I'm the only one sticking my neck out asking the unpopular questions and getting reamed for it. I'm done. If Tommy's scum (or worse gets confirmed and then recruited later) it's on the rest of you for trusting him without any hard proof.

 

This is completely not about Darthe. I believe Darthe to be town because his frustration seemed to be genuine. This is about Arsis saying that by using Tommy's power we can stop a mislynch and save a townie. According to you, that was a waste of time on D1. 

 

Call me an idiot. I don't care. The fact remains that you said what you did and I find that scummy.

So Darthe is frustrated and that seems genuine to you but my frustration seems fake? Contrived?

Whatever.

 

Bad phrasing. Not a waste of time, more like waste of...resources?

Why try to save someone on D1? We need deaths, even townie deaths, to help us determine who's scum.

We're pretty much flying on blind assumptions until we have at least one confirmed death so why save someone?

Especially someone who, at the outset, was so contrary? I mean he self voted, his claim was incomplete and sucked, he couldn't answer a damn question...and then somehow he's town and Tommy needs to save him? Like what? Where the hell did that come from?

 

I get that Darthe's RECENT performance may have improved and left a good impression but prior to Tommy wanting to save him he was dead to rights and for good reason. I don't understand why you're letting his recent actions outweigh his past transgressions.

 

Bold-But that is a plan is it not? If Tommy is not confirmed any other way, you will use that. And that completely goes against what you said-that you don't want anyone to claim. It's not about you asking how is Tommy gonna confirm himself or Darthe or about asking questions and getting reamed. And find you scummy because of your posts. 

 

Italics-Honestly, yes. But that is a gut read. But then again, I trust my gut reads a lot.

 

Again, you go. Waste of resources? Tommy says that it is limitless. Now discounting that, it is still useful. From the claims so far, town seems to be pretty OP. So for balance sake, I'm gonna assume that Mynd made scum have good powers too. Every townie we save, is a townie helpful. If they put in an effort, they can help us solve this. We have more numbers than scum. So that works for us if we save and clear more townies. 

 

Flips are helpful but if  a townie dies it comes at a cost of one less town. And that's a disadvantage. If we don't lynch someone, we can use all the info that comes from a no lynch. Opinions of people, reactions and whatnot. Basically the same thing that is until a flip occurs but with one more person alive.

 

For me Darthe didn't look like scum. The self vote and frustration looked like coming from someone who knew that scum were trying to set him up for a lynch and couldn't do anything because no one would listen.

[Tyler Glembo]

I suggest we CFD onto Tina, Tommy can hammer and we can use that info.

[Tommyrod]

I can tone read like a boss and everything about Darthe's behavior last night seemed town to me, we were mindmelding all over the place while you bashed common sense into the ground.

 

I can make informed decisions and judge nuanced situations. Acting like I can't is absurd. Your "caution" is just damage control for scum, period.

[Tyler Glembo]

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[v]Tina[/v]

[Songstress]

Ninja'd by a lot

[Xthrax]

 

That is their actions and confirming the veracity of their statements. But what did their actions achieve? Trying to stop a extremely fast building lynch that IMO looked quite like a townie mislynch.  

 

 

Why are you white-knighting this X?  Seems a strange place for you to jump in.

 

I'm jumping in because I think what is being said is wrong. I don't how you see it as wrong for me to jump in

[Lenlo]

Ninja'd by a lot

Silly Tress.

[Hallia]

 

 

Ninja'd by a lot

Silly Tress.

Your face is silly!