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Basel Gill

By Basel Gill
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Hallia

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Oh my gosh, it's just a description, he used it to describe how  he felt they were coming after him.  Not that big a deal.

 

Being told to GFY? In the BT? I'd expect it in SG, but must say, I'm disappointed that you'd let a game get you that upset.

 

I don't appreciate it.

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鲍勃不是我的名字 Experienced

鲍勃不是我的名字

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Vote count:

 

Mynd (7): Ithi, Turin, Tsuki, Chae, Pral, dice, Len

Ithi (3): Mynd, Hallia, 鲍勃不是我的名字

 

 

Not Voting (6): Thrax, Tina, Despo, Thane, BFG, Csarmi

 

 

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch. A deadline is now in effect.

 

 

DL is set for Tues. June 17th at 9 PM EST.

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140617T21&p0=422

 

My best guess...2 of the 6 here are scum.

Turin Turambar Spam Master

Turin Turambar

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Vote count:

 

Mynd (7): Ithi, Turin, Tsuki, Chae, Pral, dice, Len

Ithi (3): Mynd, Hallia, 鲍勃不是我的名字

 

 

Not Voting (6): Thrax, Tina, Despo, Thane, BFG, Csarmi

 

 

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch. A deadline is now in effect.

 

 

DL is set for Tues. June 17th at 9 PM EST.

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140617T21&p0=422

 

My best guess...2 of the 6 here are scum.

 

My best guess, 2 out of these 3 are mafia.

 

Who do you think the 2 non- voting mafia are? I would pick Csarmi and X out of that group.  The others would all be random to me.

Turin Turambar Spam Master

Turin Turambar

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But I don't see where my questioning the Irene Adler claim drew such a reaction. Such a co-hesive reaction among two players.

 

Ithi and Turin are working together. There are only two ways they could be working together legally in this game. Masons or Mafia. I suspect the latter and a lynch on Ithi will either LOCKCLEAR Turin or prove he is scum as well. I am in no way implying that they are doing anything illegal, just very disturbing mafia game play.

dude its ithi and turin. shrugs its always like that. No matter what team they are on.

How is that an excuse? That actually hurts the town more than anything. If Turin will always see Ithi as town, then when she's scum, he's useless and a distraction.

I agree.

Me too. If I checked the player list carefully and realized it was both of them playing, I wouldn't have signed up.

 

That is a big if and if you can point me to a game that I defended her very hard where she was mafia I would appreciate it. There aren't many because for one she is hardly ever mafia and for two I actually do read her well. Hence the frequent N1 deaths when she is mafia. (which in itself is rare) 

 

Your agreement and Csarmi's reaction were the cause of my rule #14 post. it is not exactly odd to me that the three people I have recently accused of being mafia together are all in agreement that Ithi and I shouldn't play together "for the good of the game" Bollocks.

 

Oh my gosh, it's just a description, he used it to describe how  he felt they were coming after him.  Not that big a deal.

 

Being told to GFY? In the BT? I'd expect it in SG, but must say, I'm disappointed that you'd let a game get you that upset.

 

I don't appreciate it.

See above as to the reason for my response to all 3 of you. It had NOTHING to do with the rabid line. And you seem just a bit false with the entire OMG a bad word thingy.

 

Don't let it upset you, it is all gameplay, right? 

Turin Turambar Spam Master

Turin Turambar

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I am frankly amazed that Mynd id still alive. He has done nothing but give slippery answers and state how he didn't say what he said or didn't mean thru use of semantic arguments. including the personal attacks on him and then the acusations of PM conversations by him. I am willing to let all bygones be bygones if he will definitively answer some questions for me.

 

1.) What percentage chance do you assign to Adler being

  A. Vanilla Town?

  B. Mafia?

  C third party?

  D some other town role?

 

2.) do you still think that Thane is mafia?    If yes, then Why did you not decide to challenge him?

 

3.) Do you think I am mafia?

 

4.) Do you think Ithi is mafia? 

 

5.) Which choice best describes why you think Ithi is a good lynch?

 

A. She is mafia.

B. She is a good info lynch.

C. Her presence is a distraction due to our interactions.

D. She has caught your entire mafia team

 

If you chose B, What info will you gather from a Mafia flip from her? From a Town Flip from her?

 

 

Would you please give your thoughts and reads on every player in the game? Since you are claiming to be Town if you should end up lynched today we will be able to look at it knowing you had towns best interests at heart. please format each line as such: Please be definitive in your reads. no hedging. a simple town or mafia in the first line.

 

Mynd is Mafia. He keeps changing his story about what he is trying to say and then not really clarifying his statements. He has also uttered loads of rhetoric and accusations without making any real attempt to provide evidence to support his cases.

Myndrunner Grand Master

Myndrunner

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Here ya go, Turin...my responses in BLUE

 

1.) What percentage chance do you assign to Adler being  Ahhh maths!

  A. Vanilla Town?  0%

  B. Mafia? 30%

  C third party? 50%

  D some other town role?  20%

 

2.) do you still think that Thane is mafia? yes  If yes, then Why did you not decide to challenge him?  If I had challenged him, that would actually be me pushing for his lynch.  He was already at 6, I didn't need to do that.  The gladiator wasn't meant to secure a lynch, it was about putting Ithi's money where her mouth was.  Sure, it was an ego move, but you guys were being ridiculous. I figured this would put a stop to it.  I was wrong.

 

3.) Do you think I am mafia? I think you could be.  I was more convinced back when you two were coming at me like you were over the whole Irene Adler deal.  I am starting to think that maybe you are just (once again) playing blind to Ithi's manipulation of you.  Scumhunting doesn't mean the people you like are town.  It means reading someone town or scum despite how you personally feel about them. 

 

4.) Do you think Ithi is mafia? I think she could be.  I was more convinced back when you two were coming at me like you were over the whole Irene Adler deal.  Town or scum, I think the game will be a lot smother without her in it.  Even for you.  By your own admission, you always see her as town even when scum.    Scumhunting doesn't mean the people you like are town.  It means reading someone town or scum despite how you personally feel about them. 

 

5.) Which choice best describes why you think Ithi is a good lynch?  C first, then B a close second with A being kinda part of B. 

 

A. She is mafia.

B. She is a good info lynch.

C. Her presence is a distraction due to our interactions.

D. She has caught your entire mafia team

 

If you chose B, What info will you gather from a Mafia flip from her? Aside from one mafia scummie being down, we would also be able to go back and re-read who voted with her, who quickly voted off Thane when he VT claimed, etc.  Prior to all this business, I would have said it would make you scum too....but I think maybe you might just be manipulated by her.  You are working together, that is clear to me.  Either masons or scum because, as you very well know thanks to your complaint to the mod, apparently I was accusing you of cheating.  I wasn't.  I was accusing you two of working together as scum.   SO you are either masons or scum.  One or the other. This is also kinda the A part.....I think she's scum.

 

 

 

From a Town Flip from her?  Prior to all this foolishness with Irene Adler and Gladiatoring, we can look back at how she voted (and you too of course).  It does give you a bit more cred because I don't think that you are as likely to be scum as she.  I think if you were scum and she wasn't, you would also have to bend an ear to your mafia team before being as rash as the two of you have been. 

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鲍勃不是我的名字

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I am frankly amazed that Mynd id still alive. He has done nothing but give slippery answers and state how he didn't say what he said or didn't mean thru use of semantic arguments. including the personal attacks on him and then the acusations of PM conversations by him. I am willing to let all bygones be bygones if he will definitively answer some questions for me.

 

1.) What percentage chance do you assign to Adler being

  A. Vanilla Town?

  B. Mafia?

  C third party?

  D some other town role?

 

2.) do you still think that Thane is mafia?    If yes, then Why did you not decide to challenge him?

 

3.) Do you think I am mafia?

 

4.) Do you think Ithi is mafia? 

 

5.) Which choice best describes why you think Ithi is a good lynch?

 

A. She is mafia.

B. She is a good info lynch.

C. Her presence is a distraction due to our interactions.

D. She has caught your entire mafia team

 

If you chose B, What info will you gather from a Mafia flip from her? From a Town Flip from her?

 

 

Would you please give your thoughts and reads on every player in the game? Since you are claiming to be Town if you should end up lynched today we will be able to look at it knowing you had towns best interests at heart. please format each line as such: Please be definitive in your reads. no hedging. a simple town or mafia in the first line.

 

Mynd is Mafia. He keeps changing his story about what he is trying to say and then not really clarifying his statements. He has also uttered loads of rhetoric and accusations without making any real attempt to provide evidence to support his cases.

 

Does your words translate to another option? 

Turin Turambar Spam Master

Turin Turambar

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@Lenlo, For Thane in these circumstances I would say it is reasonable. It was off the cuff and seemed to be his actual thoughts. It is still more than Mynd has given.

 

You have Mynd as town correct? What town reasoning would you give for him to use his only power to challenge Ithi? on D1? over something trivial in his mind? 

 

He hasn't given his motivation for this either even though he has been asked for it. 

 

Speaking of motivation. What motivation would Hallia have for claiming Governor when she did? also her initial claim was to derail the challenge but what she actual does is pardon the condemned making it a no lynch for the day in effect.

 

@ Hallia, Why did you claim the way you did and at that time? Also since you don't think character claims mean anything then kindly give us yours. 

 

Actually, I have.  

 

I think you and Ithi went batshyte berzerker over something very trivial.  I assumed most of the roster would have seen the same crazy push that I did and vote Ithi out.  If you both are town, we don't need this kind of extreme tunnel vision with rabid, almost vindictive commentary.  This is an example of the unsubstantiated rhetoric Mynd is using in his attack (I won't call it a case because that would require evidence)

 

You say it isn't personal? Ok.  Then you are truly convinced that I am scum simply because I disagree how Irene Adler would be portrayed in this game.  I don't think there is a word to describe how embarrassed I feel for you if you truly believe that this is how you play the game. Again, NO. it is not because your take on the character (which I do think is wrong and I think most would agree with me), it is because you were trying to use the character to justify and advance your case on Thane. Who as has been seen in several games is lynchbait. Keep your embarassment for your choice to challange the wrong person. Unless you have a reason to do so. Perhaps you really are looking to die. 

 

If you both are truly town, then this game you and Ithi played today only helped the scum team.  You are both clearly working together.  I am assuming then that it is allowed to PM each other and discuss the game with each other then?  Fine.  But if you and Ithi are truly town, your narrow minded and vindictive assault is only helping the scum team.  Your basis for me being scum is that I disagreed with how Irene Adler would be portrayed?  Seriously? Look in the mirror Mynd. You created this situation. You could have easily backed off the character angle and made a real case against Thane. You might have even got the few votes you needed. Instead you went Batshyte crazy and push a weird angle when the train started to stall. Then you compounded your error by making that stupid challenge. If you really are town and thinking of the best interests of the town you would admit your errors and also that YOU are the best choice for lynch today. You have used your shot so you are essentially vanilla right now. Ithi is town IMO and I read her well. therefore you are looking to lynch a roled player over a VT. How pro town is that?

 

Now Turin, how foolish will you feel if it turns out that Ithi is scum and has been playing you this whole time?  Would you say that such a scenario is impossible or have you even considered that she is railroading you?  I actually think that this might be the case.  I really doubt that a mafia team would be this blatant about working together. You must have your big hat pulled over your head. I know I read her well. She knows I read her well. I have considered the possibility but I know her style and mannerisms and I am very confident I have the right of this. I think you are wrong again there. Actually I think that you KNOW it is not the case and are just trying to fling whatever up against the wall you can in a desperate attempt to hope something will stick. Why can't town work together. That is what town is supposed to do. I have a very strong town read on Ithi. She is THE BEST PLAYER I KNOW. Why would I not want to work with her?  If she says something I give it considerable weight. FTR I don't always follow her. note I was voting X not Thane as I thought him to be the most likely mafia(Looking back he might actually fit more into the 3rd party zone) But today is now about her and you. NO way am I voting her today so it must be you. 

 

Again for the record, Ithi and I are not communicating in any way about this game except in the thread. 

 

And then the third alternative is that you and Ithi are both scum.   If that is the case, then I gladly fall on my sword because my body won't even be stiff before the two of you are in the noose. 

You really should just go ahead and fall on your sword. Although in your most recent posts you seem to think we are both town. That would be an even better reason to self vote now. 

Ithillian Turambar Spam Master

Ithillian Turambar

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I have a problem with Mynd's latest posts.

 

1. Again assuming that there is only one vt.

2. Ithi's alignment doesn't tell us Turin's.

3. "We can play a more honest geme without you..." Really?

 

I think that some stuff are boardering getting too personal right now.

3. Tina, by Turin's own admission (and the agreement of others) Turin always sees Ithi as town no matter what. He will follow her in whatever she does. Haven't you played in games with them before?

 

2. I agree, that Ithi's alignment won't confirm Turin, but it does help. It gives us a lot more information than my lynch would. Agree?

 

1. I am not confirming that there is only one VT, but I find it highly unlikely that a game advertised as Role Madness would have more than one. That wasn't just my own opinion, there was a whole back and forth with BFG when he claimed as well.

 

Also....

Mynd, csarmi, hallia gfy.

 

I have an idea. Mynd claims to be town. We lynch him hallia let's him for. Then he fan replace if needed.

 

Personally, I think the mods will still be looking.

...would you rather play in a game where two of the players take a "GFY" attitude?

 

I've claimed. I've admitted I made a mistake with the Gladiator move. Ithi and Turin are working together. I still find Thane's claim unlikely, but not impossible.

 

I think playing this game without Ithi would be easier on all of us, especially Turin in that he won't be blindly believing Ithi is town no matter what.

Please explain what you mean by the above

 

You state that me and Turin are working together.

 

You also state that Turin is blindly believing I am Town. Therefore you must believe that Turin is Town.

 

If you believe that Turin is Town and I'm working with him then you must also believe I am Town.

 

But I've already said I'm not in communication with Turin about this game.

 

 

Please also explain where I've had a Rule 14 attitude to the Game.

 

 

 

Is this like the time you said I was getting personal and yet failed to provide any quotes to show it?

 

 

Do you think I am Mafia @ Mynd?

Did Mynd ever answer this?

 

Also I'm a little disappointed that some people think it's ok to describe someone as rabid, repeatedly, without cause.

 

But this is mafia so using and approving of offensive terms of description are all fair and good yes?

 

If rabid mean being aggressive, frothing at the mouth, wanting to bite and attack and basically bark bark bark bark then I think Mynd is actually ironically describing himself more than me.

 

Which is why it's also a bit sad and funny that he continues to do it - and that other people think it's fine.

Tsukibana Mentor

Tsukibana

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My two-pence:

 

You are over-reacting to the "rabid" thing. Might be a generational or regional thing. I use it all the time, IRL, as just another way of saying "crazy". Would it have been as offensive, if he had just said you were attacking him like crazy people? Probably not. Why so defensive? Call someone "rabid" where I am from, you get a smirk, or maybe the bird (impudent digit)... tell someone to GF-themselves, and you better be ready to throw hands...

Where I come from, Turin is way out of line.

 

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Cause I am going to catch 6 hours of sleep.

Turin Turambar Spam Master

Turin Turambar

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Now Turin, I have a question for you.

 

If you knew Ithi was scum.  Knew it.  Without asking for her permission, would you lynch her?

Absolutely. How would I ask her permission anyway? Well. there would be one exception. If we were both mafia. It has only really happened once tho. The WW2 game last year. She was german mafia and I was german symp but I didn't know who was on my team. So i knew she was mafia but not if she was on my team. In that case I didn't go after her.

Turin Turambar Spam Master

Turin Turambar

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I am frankly amazed that Mynd id still alive. He has done nothing but give slippery answers and state how he didn't say what he said or didn't mean thru use of semantic arguments. including the personal attacks on him and then the acusations of PM conversations by him. I am willing to let all bygones be bygones if he will definitively answer some questions for me.

 

1.) What percentage chance do you assign to Adler being

  A. Vanilla Town?

  B. Mafia?

  C third party?

  D some other town role?

 

2.) do you still think that Thane is mafia?    If yes, then Why did you not decide to challenge him?

 

3.) Do you think I am mafia?

 

4.) Do you think Ithi is mafia? 

 

5.) Which choice best describes why you think Ithi is a good lynch?

 

A. She is mafia.

B. She is a good info lynch.

C. Her presence is a distraction due to our interactions.

D. She has caught your entire mafia team

 

If you chose B, What info will you gather from a Mafia flip from her? From a Town Flip from her?

 

 

Would you please give your thoughts and reads on every player in the game? Since you are claiming to be Town if you should end up lynched today we will be able to look at it knowing you had towns best interests at heart. please format each line as such: Please be definitive in your reads. no hedging. a simple town or mafia in the first line.

 

Mynd is Mafia. He keeps changing his story about what he is trying to say and then not really clarifying his statements. He has also uttered loads of rhetoric and accusations without making any real attempt to provide evidence to support his cases.

 

Does your words translate to another option? 

 

I was referring to the rabid conversation et al. I do not have a way to undo the mess he has made.

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