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[Leelou]

Hallia. If you had one shot, who would you use it on and why. 

[BFG]

 

I think they mean that at some stage Pral could be lynched/NK which means that we'd have the information on his flip then to analyse today's voting etc. Cory's pointing out that we also get it at the end of the game when it's too late.

 

 

I don't speak giff

[Leelou]

 

 

I think they mean that at some stage Pral could be lynched/NK which means that we'd have the information on his flip then to analyse today's voting etc. Cory's pointing out that we also get it at the end of the game when it's too late.

 

 

I don't speak giff

 

 

You called Clov Cory. Shame. 

[Nynaeve]

AJ, my point about dice voting Cory wasn't so much that it was a consolidation vote, but him claiming that it had to be Cory cause that's the only train that would reach majority. At that point there were two people with 2 votes on them and one person (aka Cory) with 3 votes on him. Any one of those trains could have taken off. So I find his reasoning to put his vote on Cory false.

 

 

 

Nyn

[csarmi]

GN all. Day coming sometimes tomorrow. Prolly in the afternoon (europe time).

 

Also

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF5WZ64bnIo

[Andrej]

EOD wagonomics.

 

 

 

 

Votecount 1.10

Verbal: 1 - Lazy
Dice: 2 - Thane, Tina
Thane: 1 - Despo
Cory: 1 - Clov
Despo: 1 - Cory
Hallia: 2 - Andrej, Dice
Lazy: 1 - Nyn
RTE: 1 - Pralaya

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch

Not voting: BFG, Verbal, Hally, Nervositee, RTE, Leelou
 
Deadline Saturday 7 pm GMT - Day 1 deadline

 

This is where we were when I was last up to speed. At the time Hallia and Dice are the highest wagons, although it's only one more than all the other scattered votes.

 

Votecount 1.11

Verbal: 1 - Lazy
Dice: 2 - Thane, Tina
Thane: 1 - Despo
Cory: 1 - Clov
Despo: 1 - Cory
Hallia: 2 - Andrej, Dice
Lazy: 1 - Nyn
RTE: 1 - Pralaya
Pralaya: 1 - BFG

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch

Not voting: Verbal, Hally, Nervositee, RTE, Leelou
 
Deadline Saturday 7 pm GMT - Day 1 deadline

 

BFG starts the Pral wagon - I will say that there seems to be conviction behind her case although I don't really agree with the end conclusion. I really didn't have an issue with Pral's reads, and I find several of them pretty congruent with what I was seeing ITT. Possible town/town?

 

Anyway - moving on.

 

UNOFFICIAL Vote count 

Verbal: 1 - Lazy
Cory: 4 - Clov, Des, Tina, Dice
Despo: 1 - Cory
Hallia: 1 - AJ
Lazy: 2 - Nyn, Leelou
RTE: 1 - Pral
Pralaya: 1 - BFG

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch

Not voting: Verbal, Hally, Vos, RTE, Thane
 
Deadline Saturday 7 pm GMT - Day 1 deadline

 

Leelou joins the Lazy wagon with Nyn for what looks like a legitimate slip and disappearance by Lazy, this also makes Nyn look a little better for starting that wagon but I'll hold off on that until we see an affirmative coroner on Lazy - Cory's wagon grows to 4 at this point. Of those 4 I feel most uncomfortable about Despot atm, but that's really just within that group. I wouldn't lynch him over some of my other reads at this point.

 

UNOFFICIAL Vote count 

Verbal: 1 - Lazy
Cory: 4 - Clov, Des, Tina, Dice
Despo: 1 - Cory
Hallia: 1 - AJ
Lazy: 4 - Nyn, Leelou, Thane, Hallia
RTE: 1 - Pral
Pralaya: 1 - BFG

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch

Not voting: Verbal, Vos, RTE
 
Deadline Saturday 7 pm GMT - Day 1 deadline

 

Okay, this could be important. Cory is the highest wagon at the time, Thane & Hallia both move to tie up Lazy's wagon. This will be a good place to go at a later junction if Cory proves to be mafia. Thane (someone he's been town reading all game) & Hallia (someone he mentioned he'd be interested in CFD onto but didn't vote) both vote the opposing wagon to tie it up. Kind of syncs up with Cory's comment earlier about forgetting the game wasn't hybrid hammer.

 

*takes of tinfoil hat*

 

Unofficial Vote count

Verbal: 1 - Lazy
Cory: 3 - Clov, Tina, Dice
Hallia: 1 - AJ
Lazy: 4 - Nyn, Leelou, Thane, Des
RTE: 1 - Pral
Pralaya: 4 - BFG, RTE, Halley, Cory

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch

Not voting: Verbal, Vos

Deadline Saturday 7 pm GMT - Day 1 deadline

 

Pral's wagon grows here pretty rapidly. RTE joins - something I want to look back on to see if this vote fits with his previous reads. Hallia swaps over (already covered this) and now Cory joins. Despo has since moved from Cory to Lazy's train.

 

Official Vote count 1.xx mobile v3

Verbal: 1 - Lazy
Cory: 3 - Clov, Tina, Dice
Hallia: 1 - AJ
Lazy: 2 - Thane, Des
RTE: 1 - Pral
Pralaya: 6 - BFG, RTE, Halley, Cory, Nyn, Leelou

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch

Not voting: Verbal, Vos

Deadline Saturday 7 pm GMT - Day 1 deadline 

 

Nyn and Leelou join the Pral wagon now. Of the two I feel better about Leelou - I don't like how Nyn uses the logic of getting more info from a Pral lynch over Lazy (when she started the Lazy wagon) and also kind of backtracks from his potential flip with the 'even if I'm wrong' statement.

 

Official Vote count 1.xx mobile v4

Verbal: 1 - Lazy
Cory: 3 - Tina, Dice
Hallia: 1 - AJ, Clov
Lazy: 2 - Thane, Des
Pralaya: 7 - BFG, RTE, Halley, Cory, Nyn, Leelou, Pray

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch

Not voting: Verbal, Vos

Deadline Saturday 7 pm GMT - Day 1 deadline 

 

Final VC - Day 1

Verbal: 1 - Lazy
Cory: 2 - Tina, Dice
Hallia: 2 - AJ, Clov
Lazy: 1 - Des
Pralaya: 8 - BFG, RTE, Halley, Cory, Nyn, Leelou, Pray, Thane

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch

Not voting: Verbal, Vos

 

Pral self-votes and Thane drops the L-1 vote right before DL passes. Pral's self vote can be argued from both angles, so I'm going to look at more as null than anything.

 

 

 

[Andrej]

AJ didn't you just do this very same thing to me, and I was town....again?

 

 

I think you're not very good at reading me. o.o

 

I'm not going to WIFOM myself. I can also think of a few games where I felt pretty comfortable with you being town when you were actually mafia.

 

I may not be very good at reading you, but I also don't think you're doing an extremely good job portraying your townieness, if that's what you are.

 

Your votes look opportunistic to me. I don't follow your reasonings. Your behavior around EOD was especially scummy imo. Just seemed like you were more interested in getting someone - anyone - lynched over the right lynch.

[Andrej]

 

 

I get interpretation and personal perspective. I'm sure there are things that I find scummy that others wouldn't really agree with - my point here, and that I've pointed out a few different times in regard to you this game is that I find you using information not necessarily part of the game to help you with your conclusions. Using Dice's time at DM as a way to imply he was lying about the activity list was one. Now saying that you checked the userlist to see who was online before the DL past as a way to downplay Pral's self-vote is another example.

 

I basically use whatever information is available to me. Some might not like the idea of looking at the who's online list, like dice mentioned in previous games. But I don't see anything wrong with it. All it says is who's online. Nothing more, nothing less.

The issue here is that you are alleging that I used it when I placed my self-vote, when I don't even know how to see who is online. It is fine if you are using it, but trying to use that logic on someone else's actions is where the problem is.

 

This.

[Hallia]

So you're happier with the no lynch at all that we got?

 

 

 

Leelou;  I'd probably shoot Clov, the vote on me when we only ended up needing 1 to lynch right before night was very scummy indeed.  Them or Pral.

[Nynaeve]

@ AJ

 

And an added note about the train analyzing, I made it perfectly clear that I was down with either a Pral or Lazy lynch. When I saw no one budging from the 4:4 tie between them and I saw that people that were on Lazy were mostly the ones around on the site close to the deadline, I switched to Pral. I would have been happy with either of the lynches.

 

 

 

Nyn

[BFG]

 

 

 

I think they mean that at some stage Pral could be lynched/NK which means that we'd have the information on his flip then to analyse today's voting etc. Cory's pointing out that we also get it at the end of the game when it's too late.

 

 

I don't speak giff

 

 

You called Clov Cory. Shame.

 

Sorry

[Andrej]

So you're happier with the no lynch at all that we got?

 

 

Leelou;  I'd probably shoot Clov, the vote on me when we only ended up needing 1 to lynch right before night was very scummy indeed.  Them or Pral.

 

I can admit that having a coroner report to work off right now would be better for town collectively, but I'm also not going to bitch about missing a lynch on someone I think is probtown and that his wagon was primarily scum driven with how it developed during EOD.

 

There is a lot of gold to look back and dig up, regardless if we have a flip. Yes, some of that info is a little less reliable because we don't have the end result in a flip to compare it all to, but eventually we will gain more info and it can be combined with earlier analysis.

[Nynaeve]

 

The issue here is that you are alleging that I used it when I placed my self-vote, when I don't even know how to see who is online. It is fine if you are using it, but trying to use that logic on someone else's actions is where the problem is.

 

This.

 

 

We can argue this back and forth all day. The site offers information that is visible to all. I'm not going to ignore it. You don't think it's valid? You don't think it's possible for him to do something as simple as look at the front page for who's around? Up to you. I feel differently.

 

 

 

Nyn

[Nynaeve]

 

Basically I'm in disagreement with 4 out of 5 of your null to scummy reads (Leelou, Hallia, BGF and obviously me). And i'm null on the fifth (RTE). Not loving the reasons you provided for having those reads. I also don't like that you put dice on your null to town list. I don't feel like you're following a townie narrative. If you flipped scum YAY. I'd feel a bit reassured with my reads.  If you flipped town I'd have to revisit my reads and reread your content again to see if I'm mistaken, because I can't negate the fact that when you roll town, you're good at reading people.

 

Clearly you missed how my reads have evolved over the course of the day. 

 

 

I guess I did. I didn't realize you changed your mind about Lee and BFG. My bad.

 

 

 

Nyn

[Cory Caboose]

I'm starting to come around on Hallia

 

Through 25, I think Pral was a very good vote yesterday for whoever did, I keep seeing stuff like this from him:

 

 

 

Pral's joke came across very forced to me. Dunno, could be a language thing or maybe I just don't get his sense of humor. Either way, it stood out and didn't really fit the flow of the thread imo.

 

 

That is because you do not have the reference. If you followed Real Genius mafia, you would have understood it. 

 

 

Andrej and Des both gave Pral a   for his out-of-flow jokiness and Pral responds to AJ rather hostily. It seemed a simple enough misunderstanding, I think if he were in a normal mindset he would explain the joke to AJ since AJ wouldn't know

 

Just seems more like Pral is quickly perturbed he's getting shade thrown his way for the "wrong reasons", I just don't like the wording of response overall.

 

Through 25 pages of AJ he has said 11 things that I think are villager-indicative and 0 things that are wolf-indicative

 

He's basically lock clear

 

Not going to be miffed that I've lost pretty much all support from anyone but Nyn () because I got jackass-y, but if I die please don't lynch my villagers because I am rarely, rarely wrong when I have a great deal of confidence in someone being a villager

[Cory Caboose]

 

 

Nyn you've earned my due diligence (because ) and I read over Day of Arkham (the last game you were Mafia according to your list) and you were basically invisible that game

 

With that said, things are probably a little different for you with players like me in the game who try to drag out invisible players kicking and screaming :P

So, in your opinion, how do you think you would approach the game as Mafia with the sort of player's list we have now?

 

What makes you think I alter my style because of who's playing? I don't remember who were the players back in the Arkham game, but I'm sure they were equally competent to the ones in this game.

 

Generally speaking, In the times I rolled scum I tried to play as I do as town (not sure if I actually manage to, but that's what I was going for). I'm generally rather nervous and try to hide it.

 

I like rolling town better. I'm more comfortable in my own skin, so to speak.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

What I meant is that when I read through most of Arkham your activity level was low and you didn't ruffle many feathers - which is what a lot of Mafia tend to do, specifically ones that don't like being Mafia too much 

 

I'm happy with your responses, I understand you being agitated at points and I don't think you would play up that agitation as Mafia (some players would, like this guy)

 

You are now Nynaeve, with room to grow into your full NynGOAT splendor.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lazy]

So where to begin.

First with atating, i told you guys i wouldnt be around till monday. Did you not read my post. Oh wait, you reqd them and ignore what suits you.

B) you complain about my content when there are people posting lots more fluff than me. I had 32 posts. Some people are over a hundred. If they all game related... dont hate me cause im not "involved", maybe this is just how i play. Who here has played with me before?

iii)i "slipped" with that posted about verb? How so. I never stated he was mafia. I stated i didnt trust him but considered him town. I have seen other people say the same and they dont get lynched? I left my vote on him because i wasnt around/too lazy to change when i was. But i love the fact that nobody cares that aj voted for verb for no reason. Sure blind leading blind. Hur dur hur

6) i brng the rain. Nah but seriously. Im just here to have fun. I am a jokester and if that is grating, then kill me off and lose a van town cause i aint interested in playing with squares. I have my blue shoes on and im ready to rock.

7) i think i missed a number...

4) so could someone point me to a place where i can find out what all the fracking acronyms mean. I get lost and googlng them doesnt always help.... oh the trauma at what image results show up. Probs should turn safe search on.

0) something something bad joke kthxbye

[Lazy]

And because it fits the theme and people love spam

 

 

HODOOOOOOOOR

[Cory Caboose]

[Lazy]

Vote hodor

[Clovdyx]

AJ didn't you just do this very same thing to me, and I was town....again?

 

 

I think you're not very good at reading me. o.o

 

I hate this post.  The fact he misread you before is almost entirely irrelevant to this game.  Him being wrong once doesn't mean that he'll always be wrong, and there's no reason you should be trying to spin it that way.

 

So you're happier with the no lynch at all that we got?

 

 

 

Leelou;  I'd probably shoot Clov, the vote on me when we only ended up needing 1 to lynch right before night was very scummy indeed.  Them or Pral.

 

Elaborate on this, please.  I'd like to hear your reasoning on why it was very scummy.

[Clovdyx]

I'm starting to come around on Hallia

 

Through 25, I think Pral was a very good vote yesterday for whoever did, I keep seeing stuff like this from him:

 

 

 

Pral's joke came across very forced to me. Dunno, could be a language thing or maybe I just don't get his sense of humor. Either way, it stood out and didn't really fit the flow of the thread imo.

 

 

That is because you do not have the reference. If you followed Real Genius mafia, you would have understood it. 

 

 

Andrej and Des both gave Pral a   for his out-of-flow jokiness and Pral responds to AJ rather hostily. It seemed a simple enough misunderstanding, I think if he were in a normal mindset he would explain the joke to AJ since AJ wouldn't know

 

Just seems more like Pral is quickly perturbed he's getting shade thrown his way for the "wrong reasons", I just don't like the wording of response overall.

 

Through 25 pages of AJ he has said 11 things that I think are villager-indicative and 0 things that are wolf-indicative

 

He's basically lock clear

 

Not going to be miffed that I've lost pretty much all support from anyone but Nyn ( ) because I got jackass-y, but if I die please don't lynch my villagers because I am rarely, rarely wrong when I have a great deal of confidence in someone being a villager

 

IRT to Hallia, come around on her being town, or come around to her being a good lynch candidate?

[nervositee]

Ok, back from the trip. (Abit late since as soon as we came back, we saw one of the glass shelfs in our fridge had shattered and there was glass shards all over the fridge, when that was cleaned up, our indoor cat jumped out of our fourth-floor ceiling window and went walking around on the roof. holyshite what a day!)

 

I've skimmed abit, but more or less catched up and in the game now. I'll do a deeper re-read tomorrow to see the small things I've missed, but I'm here and contributing now :)

 

Abit confused about the massive meta-ing, self-meta-defending and referencing other games I haven't followed. Not a big fan of the self-meta-defense part.

 

Especially goes to Cory. I mostly read him as town here, but I'm also wary that from what I've heard, he is a bloody good scum-team-player. I didn't find his "emotional outbreak" alignment-indicative either way, but I started paying attention when he used his own meta to defend himself. If you feel like another player is sniping you and flip out about it - fine. I get it. However, when you flip out, then proceed to saying "yeah well, I'm only flipping out as town" I'm suspicious. 

 

Where did Verbal go? I think he has been keeping his head down more than usual? Or is it DM-weekend?

 

Got some gut reads I'll try to follow up with ISOs after a proper nights sleep and more consentrational power. 

 

Also a bummer about D1 deadline. I do agree that a no-lynch can be better than a mislynch, but I feel a bit handicaped without a flip and without the same grasp of peoples meta.

 

Will be back with some proper reads tomorrow. But at least I'm "in the fray"

[nervositee]

 

So you're happier with the no lynch at all that we got?

 

 

 

Leelou;  I'd probably shoot Clov, the vote on me when we only ended up needing 1 to lynch right before night was very scummy indeed.  Them or Pral.

 

Elaborate on this, please.  I'd like to hear your reasoning on why it was very scummy.

 

 

This, by the way. I think the fact that is "anything but consolidate is scummy" is a misguided, and too simple view on things. Of course a lynch gives more info, but on the other side you avoid a weak lynch thats hard to read because half of the votes are consolidation, and as someone pointed out - putting scumteam with the first kill does provide some extra pressure. Not saying this or that, but the fact that Clov rationally explained why he didn't consolidate - yet Hally is painting him as scum to the point where she'd vig kill him doesn't sit too well with me. 

[Cory Caboose]

Clov: you can basically disregard that, I didn't read #1550 and that is a legitimately bad post

I thought she could be a villager because she endorsed a shot on you (through 30 on my reread and I felt her read on Nyn was natural but really have nothing else in her favor and I disliked her post IRT to Des/Leelou) and you're a pretty consensus villager and wolves don't usually endorse shots on consensus villagers (because, yanno, it looks really awful), but I wasn't thinking about how she is trying to frame your EOD.

 

If Pral is a villager Hallia's FoS based on your EOD makes no sense considering I'm pretty sure you wouldn't hammer Pral for lulz or information if you thought he was a villager as a villager