[Basic] Real Genius Mafia - GAME OVER - TOWN AND SURVIVOR WIN

[Nynaeve]

I said specifically that Basel has a meta that is counter intuitive. He is more open as town and thus scummier because he isnt good at shaping sentences in such a way that they look townie and he tends to be reticent to stand out so much as scum making him appear townier at a base level.

 

I don't quite get this explanation either.

 

 

 

Nyn

[Tommyrod]

Watching this argument without being directly involved in it, I'm noticing Darthe seems to prefer responding when he feels he's got something to say that makes him look good. That's troubling. Town behavior is generally to speak when thoughts come to you, without excessive concern for how they may be interpreted.

 

I'm not sure what utility you think you're providing to town right now, Darthe. You're disconnected from the thread, missed important (IMO) interactions like the movement on and off of Mish, and are hedging on most of the players in this game.

 

Response? Why should I not nuke you today?

[Hallia]

I have a pretty good feeling coming off of Nyn from this exchange.  Between Darthe worrying about how Dawn will appear and this, I'm leaning scum on him.

[Tommyrod]

Adding to what I said, Darthe appears frustrated by Nyn in an "I'm going to retaliation push you for it" way -- except he can't because he's already stated he believes I'm town and am impossible to lynch even if I wasn't :P

 

So it looks like he really wants to push Nyn for questioning him because she made a grammatical mistake or whatever, but can't, and is annoyed about it.

 

I would expect town Darthe to just laugh/sigh and change the subject.

 

Anyone else see what I mean?

[Tommyrod]

I have a pretty good feeling coming off of Nyn from this exchange. Between Darthe worrying about how Dawn will appear and this, I'm leaning scum on him.

What are your other reads? You've been a bit quiet.

[Hallia]

I blame the ocean, we were out fishing for 12 hours yesterday and working for another few hours, I'll put some out tonight you can bank on it

[Nynaeve]

I'll put some out tonight you can bank on it

 

TMI.

 

 

 

Nyn

[Cory Caboose]

i'm down

[Hallia]

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Nommy (1) - Basel

Amega (4) - Mish, Nommy, CrayLee, Leno

Mish (1) - Clov

 

Not Voting (7): Zanube, Tsuki, Amega, Dawthe, Hallia, Pral

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Everyone has checked in. Deadline for D1 will be set later this evening.

[Clovdyx]

A mixture. Nyn has had some very pro-town post, most notably the case on Basel. Tommy I can't read this early, so Nyn dominates that read. You and Cory are content. Hallia and Pral more meta/gut read. Amega and Basel, content.

 

I can accept this.  I wasn't sure where the hell you were coming from on Hallia.  I saw nothing of value to that point, but the one game I played with her was fairly quiet.  Acceptable reads so far.

 

Well, I meant to say something before... but you can be a little creepy sometimes. I'm sure you get that all the time.

 

 

 

Nyn

QFE, QFT

Blue: kTells Darthe to let his play speak for himself, not tell people he's cleared.

 

 

Not sure how he feels about Craylee atm, started off saying how Cory should play, riles him, now...?

 

Purple: He accuses Pral of being mafia because of how he worded things.

 

Bold: Says he was just trying to irritate Cory for dictating what he could say? Wait, didn't he tell Cory how to play concerning Tommy? Pot meet Kettle.

 

Green: Agrees with Tommy about Mish. So he now trust Tommy? I'm confused.

 

He ends by telling Darthe to have Dawn play.

 

(Trimmed for size, obviously) This was generally good analysis, and I like the effort.  Regarding the green, do you think that his suspicions of Tommy should prevent him from agreeing with a point he raises about a different player?  More importantly, do you disagree with Amega that Tommy's point about Mish was good?

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Nommy (1) - Basel

Amega (3) - Mish, Nommy, CrayLee

Mish (1) - Clov

 

 

Not Voting (8): Zanube, Tsuki, Amega, Leno, Dawthe, Hallia, Pral

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

No deadline has been set at this time.

Still waiting to check in: Zanube - Despo has offered to step in if the mentee does not arrive

 

 

Hey, guys checking in. I'll post regarding game if all goes well tomorrow

 

Awful timing is awful.  Slight suspicion.

 

 

Seems fair.

 

Zanube being gone is terrible considering how active his mentor would be.

Clov looks slight town.

CrayJay is slight town (I have issue with Kaylee.  My main tell on her is that as scum she safely always summates instead of giving her impressions, aka IIOA which is information instead of analysis)

Tsuki? no friggin clue

Amega - slight scum, mainly for the taunting post he made at you and for his really spastic manner of overstating everything.  The reason this is slight is because I recently mentored him and watched him do this as town, albeit in a slightly more concise manner.

Lenlo? hasn't been around.  starting to see a trend.  His one significant post was meh.

Hally I can't recall either.  I feel like she has posted but hasn't contributed.  Prob town since that is her MO but I am not willing to clear her yet.

Laya looks a bit better, I recall him contributing meaningfully.  Gut impression, mind you.  I've not actually went back through

Nommy I like this game.  Pressured you right off the bat to see if I could get an atypical opening from you and I got what I wanted from it.  

Mish I can't really recall tbh

Basel I am a fan of here.  His posts, when made, look like town basel based on my quite good meta of him.  Unfortunately that meta is counter-intuitive to what constitutes good scumhunting.

 

1. WHY DOES CLOV LOOK LIKE TOWN?!?! You said this before. I questioned you twice. No answer. Now you say it again on your list of reads and fail to explain why. You can't ignore me forever!

 

2. So lets sum this up.

 

You have a null read on: Zanube, Tsuki, Lenlo, Mish.

Town lean: Clov (no reason provided repeatedly), CrayLee (based on Kaylee meta), Hallia (based on meta), Basil (meta), Paralya (gut impression), Nommy.

Scum lean: Amega (Meta for mentoring him).

 

You also conclude that meta is counter-intuitive to what constitutes as good scumhunting. Agreed.

 

 

Guys, I think Darthe blew the case wide open! :P

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

Lol nyn im calling clov town based on very little right now. We are really similar and he is making the same sorts of points that I am. A good example of this is whenhe picked cory out for corys odd post about my townread of him.

 

It seems to really bother you that I didnt answer that quickly. Tbh I just hadnt read back to figureboutbwhat your question was cause ive been on mobile while nicci was here (she isnt much of a mafia fan) and am busy catching up in another game.

 

Another thing you got wrong nyn. I said specifically that Basel has a meta that is counter intuitive. He is more open as town and thus scummier because he isnt good at shaping sentences in such a way that they look townie and he tends to be reticent to stand out so much as scum making him appear townier at a base level.

 

I'm sorry if irked that you have this much directly wrong when you quoted the post.

 

 

I'm sorry if irked that you have this much directly wrong when you quoted the post.

 

LOL  nice spin. You should work for bush.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

Explain how that is a spin Nyn. My thoughts are direct and on thread. Right now you look like youre spouting anything you can to try and work your angle. When I make statements and you directly ignore parts of them and summarize them I am going to call question to that 100% of the time.

 

Darthe looking good here IMO.  I like his response to Nyn's questioning about the counter-intuitive comment.  I don't like when people misrepresent my words (whether accidental or or intentional), and that clearly happened with Nyn's red statement.  Would have looked worse if he backtracked instead of clarifying.

[Clovdyx]

I have a pretty good feeling coming off of Nyn from this exchange.  Between Darthe worrying about how Dawn will appear and this, I'm leaning scum on him.

 

Which of his responses did you feel were scummy?  I thought he was able to provide decent enough answers to her questions.  Walk me through your thought process please? :)

[michellem]

Can anyone tell me if Mish can duplicate the very confident "I'm right cuz I'm townie" attitude she's displaying here when she's scum?

 

Don't pretend you've never seen me as mafia.

So in conclusion: He suspects Tommy and Darthe, goes back and forth between suspecting Tommy to fence sitting on him. He ended with agreeing with him. Not sure where he sits with either to be honest.

 

He riled Cory for dictating his play while telling Cory how to play.

 

His reads seems to go back and forth and I don't have a clue who he suspects at this point. Leaning scum

 

Vote Amega

 

I like Kaylee's case on Amega, good townie points on her.

 

 

I am Milton - Vanilla Town. 

 

Where the ladies at?

 

 

Alas. Rules are rules, regardless of whether anyone reads them.

 

 

Yates - Milton, Vanilla Town, has been expelled from Pacific Tech.

 

 

*facepalm*

 

Hey, guys checking in. I'll post regarding game if all goes well tomorrow

 

If what goes well? Do you mean you're not gonna be here before tomorrow?

 

Seems fair.

 

Zanube being gone is terrible considering how active his mentor would be.

Clov looks slight town.

CrayJay is slight town (I have issue with Kaylee.  My main tell on her is that as scum she safely always summates instead of giving her impressions, aka IIOA which is information instead of analysis)

Tsuki? no friggin clue

Amega - slight scum, mainly for the taunting post he made at you and for his really spastic manner of overstating everything.  The reason this is slight is because I recently mentored him and watched him do this as town, albeit in a slightly more concise manner.

Lenlo? hasn't been around.  starting to see a trend.  His one significant post was meh.

Hally I can't recall either.  I feel like she has posted but hasn't contributed.  Prob town since that is her MO but I am not willing to clear her yet.

Laya looks a bit better, I recall him contributing meaningfully.  Gut impression, mind you.  I've not actually went back through

Nommy I like this game.  Pressured you right off the bat to see if I could get an atypical opening from you and I got what I wanted from it.  

Mish I can't really recall tbh

Basel I am a fan of here.  His posts, when made, look like town basel based on my quite good meta of him.  Unfortunately that meta is counter-intuitive to what constitutes good scumhunting.

 

Bold: I don't like how Darthe immediatley started discrediting after Kaylee's case on Amega. And then he also calls Amega scum here. Feels like both defending Amega and distancing from him. I think scum/scum. And I really don't like him refusing to comment on me at all pretending to not remember anything.

In general this post is ugh and I could move my vote here.

 

 

Alright done with classes for today, yay for professors canceling! Also yay for after weekend legit play!

 

 

 

why are you getting so defensive about messing up bro? must have hit a nerve. I never said i soul read or solved the game, it's called constructive criticism. I love it when it's constructive, i guess you dont. 

 

Btw didn't you die day 2 or 3 with absolutely no reads on him? 

 

Also you misunderstood what i meant.. You dont need to distance your communication with him, just your views and opinions on him to make your reads clearer for both yourself and the rest of town

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Otherwise i can not use your reads if they are clouded by your affection and admiration of him as a player. sorry but its true.

Bold: I agree with Mish here, this reads less like constructive/towny play and more as attempting to rile someone up, get them annoyed so they make mistakes that can be capitalized on to push a lynch. Especially cause later on I believe someone says to not say that at them and immediately after he goes "Must have hit a nerve" again as if to just mess with them

 

Blue: This just gives me a bad feeling. Its like its another shot.

 

All in all I dun like this.

 

 

 

LEN U SCUM?

MAYBE. ARE U   Y/N?

 

WITH LOVE, LEN

So is this a subtle accidental slip by Len that he might not be town?

 

Basel hasnt played with me for awhile, but I still dont like this push. It wasnt subtle at all, I kinda caps locked it, and it was obv a joke.

 

##Unvote

##Vote Amega

Explain plox?

 

I barely explained; I don't like his phrasing or what he's chosen to comment on thus far. He reminds me of when we were scum together in the red wedding game. I don't really have a stronger scum read than him right now, so here we are.

Thank you. Im honestly not sure how to read you. I thought you were scum when you were town, I thought you were town when you were scum, I just cant seem to get you right. Maybe I should just take whatever I get and flip it. That might work.

 

##Unvote

##Vote Mish

 

Classic "discuss one person, vote another" scum strat.

Disagree. She only talked about Amega in that post and then she voted Amega. This looks like a missrep of her only post in the game at that point.

 

 

Cory just hasn't set off any bad vibes for me yet (he usually does with opens in games) which is good enough for me for now.  Basel and I seem to be mindmelding.  He never posts a ton but his points are pretty salient here.  I'll take it D1.

 

 

So, I am trying to get inside your head and something does not add up here.

 

I am not "setting off bad vibes", so you have a slight town lean on me. Okay.

 

Here's the issue: I don't think I have ever been Mafia in a game with you. Perhaps it's my GOAT townranding, but as far as I can remember we've played some 5-6 games and I have been town in every one. Most notably in Twilight, you made a habit of getting @ me hard as town-town because of "bad vibes", but at some point in all of those games I got NKed by the Mafia and flipped town, soooooooo

So, the logical attachment here should be: Town!Cory gives me bad vibes, shouldn't it? Or at least that I am not playing the way you would EXPECT me to play as town, your "instincts" on my alignment aside.

 

The problem with all this is because of my playing style and because I have some pretty reliable meta tells, I am going to be a universal townread by EOD, so I'm generally not someone smart to FoS as Mafia. I don't believe your townread on me is genuine and I see a lot of reasons you'd want to have a townread on me as Mafia.

 

tl;dr: I think Tommy caught you and you are now trying to win me over.

 

I like this reasoning by Cory. I have never seen how Cory is like as scum and I dont think Darthe has either, but if he gives off "bad vibes" as town wouldnt it make sense for him to not give off bad vibes as scum? So I dont get how Darthe doesnt have atleast a light scum read on Cory. He responds saying 

 

Yeah, I could see you thinking that.  I considered that you might be scum since I usually get bad mojo from you as town/town but I am not one to mistrust my own gut.  Would you care to argue that I should be sticking to a method of play that didn't work in the past few games?  Or is your argument here that because I am playing differently I am scum?  

and while it looks good on the surface, at the end that little comment about playing different because he is scum looks like prep to misrep/argue against that argument if it pops up. All in all not liking you friend.

 

 

then again the last time I thought you were making sense was VS Hunt III, but you got LOLganAura'd

 

Can't we just make this an easy world where I can read Smart!Darthe as mafia and Full!Darthe as town? Can't you make ANYTHING EASY

 

Nope.  Multifaceted like that.  However, I am obviously town here.  Willing to stick my neck out, taking on Tommy early, checking everyone for BS.  

 

Dont like this. I dont like it when people extol their own virtues of "Im town cause I did this." Its on the same level as people who say "When im scum I do this!" or "Town me always does this.". Its like instead of just saying "Im town." he feels the need to explain why hes town, which generally people shouldnt need to do imo.

 

#Vote Misheru

?

 

I am Milton - Vanilla Town. 

 

Where the ladies at?

R.I.P. Yates. You died to young.

 

Kaylee is back to doing that IIOA thing she does as scum.

Whats IIOA and why is that a scumtell for her?

 

 

Why isn't Darthe letting you talk?

He doesn't want me to say anything stupid before I talk to him about it first.

 

 

Really? Thats not good. I know he says its about teaching, but in my experience one of the best ways to learn is through mistakes. Darthe denying you that or telling you not to do "stupid things" seems like hes more concerned with survival than anything else.

 

 

Yes, obviously. Why else would he care?

I don't really know. Because he wants to teach me, apparently, and doesn't want me to post all over the thread without thinking about it first. 

 

Darthe hasn't said much in this game, has he? (Well, neither have I, but that's normal for me on the first day)

 

Thinking is overrated. I should know, I rarely think.

 

 

 

Good catchup post from Len, town pile for him.

 

Nyn you have an oddly aggressive tone here. Why?

 

Lol. Nyn is always aggresive in mafia games. You trying to discredit her for it is weaksauce.

 

@kaylee if you go through and read the thread in context you will answer most of the problems with your ##fullrainbow post. 

 

Also constructive criticism and telling a player what they can say along with references that they are not a good player are different things. He should expect some grief. I will say what i want whenever i want to who ever i want..

 

 

And Amega also tries to discredit Kaylee's case... Anyone else noticing a pattern here?

 

 

Dont brush it off. Ive known you for almost two years. You arent generally like this.

 

Who's brushing it off?  Of the two of us, I'm the one who's answering questions when asked.

 

I don't mean to brag, but I'm doing it in a timely manner as well :D

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

Nyn is awesome and so won that back and forth. Nyn town, Darthe scum. Boom, as Des would say.

 

[Tommyrod]

Why are people ignoring my questions and commentary about Darthe's argumentative approach being weird?

Mish: I have no recollection what you're like as mafia, sorry. I don't remember being in a game where you were mafia.

[amegakure]

 

@kaylee if you go through and read the thread in context you will answer most of the problems with your ##fullrainbow post.

 

Also constructive criticism and telling a player what they can say along with references that they are not a good player are different things. He should expect some grief. I will say what i want whenever i want to who ever i want..

Most of what I was commenting on you was in context as the person you were replying to was quoted within your posts, with the exception of one I believe.

 

 

You still didn't answer what your reads are. You went back and forth on Tommy, how do you feel about him now?

 

What about Darthe?

 

Are you suspicious of CrayLee? If so why?

 

In the end your reads were unknown, except maybe on Mish.

 

No see below two things you pointed out were in refrence to a different game. If you had read both sides you would know this. Instead you didnt and you are confused as you said your self and using it to paint me red. 

 

I think Nyn might be on to something with Darthe's reads being all meta but saying meta isn't reliable read. Tommy also has a bad meta read on darthe. He also tried to point out his townyness  Nothing extremely alignment indicative at this point will follow and see where it goes.

 

No i never was. I'm not exactly sure where you got that idea but it's false. Cory is probably the towniest person i know atm.

 

Heads up I'm trimming down some of the longer quotes to show the part I'm commenting on. (Otherwise it can get confusing). Looking back at Amega's posts some things stood out to me.

 

 

 

Tommy isn't voting you. I don't understand what you meant by that.

 

took a double take at this. glad kaylee asked. Not feeling tommy yet. Haven't seen him try the ##teamalliance thing once yet. 

 

Also not feeling dawthe yet as much of anything.. darthe is probably dragging them down

 

Here he mentions he's unsure of Tommy and Dawthe. Nothing stands out about that just making an observation here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't complain if you did.

 

I'm sure you wouldn't :P

 

Unfortunately, posting half-hearted (am I allowed to use another word there?  What exactly is PG-13?) reads that I'm not sure if I'm supposed to take seriously isn't enough to get me to clear you.

Then you're not trying hard enough. I'm already clear, you're just not experienced enough to know it yet.

 

This is b.s. I would ask if this stuff actually works for you but apparently it did cause ##teamalliance and GOAT crumbled to ashes in your presences.

 

 

 

Don't worry, we're only on the foreplay phase.

 

 

 

Nyn

Foreplay is overrated

 

Tommy isn't voting you. I don't understand what you meant by that.

 

took a double take at this. glad kaylee asked. Not feeling tommy yet. Haven't seen him try the ##teamalliance thing once yet. 

 

Also not feeling dawthe yet as much of anything.. darthe is probably dragging them down

 

 

Why do you think this alignment indicative for Tom?

 

For example, in the last game Tommy did the #teamalliance thing and was Mafia. Do you associate this with his town game?

 

Well it had a radical effect on you last game and i even hinted at it and you swept it under the rug.. Maybe you should distance your self and get a clean perspective to properly discern your bromance's alignments in future games.

 

Like you said though Tommy wants to be townspewed as both scum and mafia. Except in this game i haven't seen him going to deep in alliance mode.

 

How do i stick out and what would you like to discuss? 

 

Blue: Gives advice on how Cory should be playing and now is fence sitting on Tommy. 

 

This isn't fence sitting its an observation that Tommy isnt doing what i've seen him do in the past. 

 

 

 

Now thats a good reaction. When have you ever not wanted a game to be about you?

Actually, lets shelf it and discuss that later. Nothing but conjecture and meta to be discussed atm.

Tommy what are you interested in discussing?

Why are you talking like this? Are you angry or something?

 

Then help me out TomTom

 

I liked Tsuki's entrance but don't know enough about his competence/experience level

 

Amega/Darthe stick out

 

Not much else ATM, need more villagers

That's about where I'm at except I have no opinion of Tsuki's entrance.

 

Amega's brief presence gave me pangs of the trying-too-hard-to-sound-townie posting style he had as scum with me in Darthe's game but I remember him being underwhelming as a townie in the past, so I'm not sure I'm ready to vote for him. In contrast, I have a higher bar set for Darthe, but what he's projecting so far feels new and scary. So if I don't recognize it, maybe he's scum. That's where I'm at.

 

I don't really have a read on you either yet; vaguely positive. I'm planning on trying to read Kaylee at first but so far there isn't much to go by other than her taking a jab at me, kinda. Not sure she would do that as scum since you would have already told her to just buddy me, I think.

 

That's about it so far. Am voting Darthe, may vote Amega.

 

why did you ignore darthe's question and focus on his snarkyness? 

 

i got mentored so i have been trying to change my style to be more effective and less of a hindrance that should explain the posting style change and pretty much eliminate that last post of yours. 

 

Blue: Questions Tommy against Darthe. This I found interesting. Does that mean he now is back to suspecting Tommy? Almost seems like he's sticking up for Darthe here. My main point on this is that he is suspicious of Tommy, fence sits, and goes back to being suspicious. More on that later...

 

What exactly do you think fence sitting means. Out of all of this i have not given the impression that i think either way about tommy's alignment. You seem overly paranoid. I'm not sure if that mean's anything coming from you though.  This was simply a question cause it's odd to ignore someone in a game based on interactions. End of the story.  

 

 

why are you getting so defensive about messing up bro? must have hit a nerve. I never said i soul read or solved the game, it's called constructive criticism. I love it when it's constructive, i guess you dont. 

 

Btw didn't you die day 2 or 3 with absolutely no reads on him? 

 

Also you misunderstood what i meant.. You dont need to distance your communication with him, just your views and opinions on him to make your reads clearer for both yourself and the rest of town

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Otherwise i can not use your reads if they are clouded by your affection and admiration of him as a player. sorry but its true.

Now he directs his attention to Cory. I don't understand the bolded part though. He says Cory/me messed up and he hit a nerve there. 

 

In a different game.. read the thread someone else already brought this up.

 

 

 

 

 

Tommyrod, on 03 May 2014 - 11:22 PM, said:

I don't actually want this entire game to revolve around me though, so let's talk about something else for a while. We can talk about how awesome and obvitown I am later.

Really? I love it when games revolve around me. Makes me feel special when nothing else can.

 

Srs though I agree with Darthe that this is a much better post then what you had before.

 

I liked this post to. Then my elation was ruined when he blatantly deflected talking about something else after darthe asked.

 

 

@cory sorry your in a bad mood. cheer up and lets have some fun!

 

Back to fence sitting on Tommy. 

 

Not fence sitting this is where i started getting worried. Tommy made a great post to push conversation to the rest of the game instead of spending day 1 focusing on something that couldn't be determined. 

Darthe asked what tommy would like to talk about and he ignored it in lieu of snarkyness. ODD. so i brought it up.

 

 

 

 

 

then again the last time I thought you were making sense was VS Hunt III, but you got LOLganAura'd

 

Can't we just make this an easy world where I can read Smart!Darthe as mafia and Full!Darthe as town? Can't you make ANYTHING EASY

 

Nope.  Multifaceted like that.  However, I am obviously town here.  Willing to stick my neck out, taking on Tommy early, checking everyone for BS.  

 

Who are you trying to convince here? yourself or us? Telling us what you are doing that makes you town is weird. i'd expect you to let your play speak for itself.

 

 

took a double take at this. glad kaylee asked. Not feeling tommy yet. Haven't seen him try the ##teamalliance thing once yet. 

 

Also not feeling dawthe yet as much of anything.. darthe is probably dragging them down

I don't know why this #alliance thing gets brought up again and again. I have seen their games and althought they act all buddy with each other D1, they usually get against once the game progresses. Just a distraction talk.

 

That said, I have barely seen Tommy as town. That too in one game which did not have Cory or others. So, nearly impossible to determine his alignment just on a few pages in D1.

 

i got mentored so i have been trying to change my style to be more effective and less of a hindrance that should explain the posting style change and pretty much eliminate that last post of yours.

Did not see any change in your style of posting IN the game you were mentored on. Why would it suddenly change here?

 

First i never said i had figured out either's alignment. That was not the purpose of the post. I have only played a couple of games with both of them together and it seems their relationship is a factor in discerning alignments. Cory answer'd and stated that being friendly with tommy was the best way to discern his alignment after a few days. Which makes sense, even though i feel that the other party could manipulate this relationship if they tried hard enough. So no it wasn't distraction and it brought plenty of content to the thread. Why would you want to stifle that information and how people view their analytical process of each other?

 

Second. I saw it change and so did Darthe. You being mafia and probably not being majorly concerned with the words i was writing so much as a way to reply without incriminating yourself might have a factor on your opinion. I will continue to change my style as long as i play. It can easily be as radical as one day. My motivation and effort per game will have impacts on these

 

@nyn I said that for the sole purpose to irritate Cory since he dictated what i can say, and see what he would say in his current mood.

 

@tommy that is a solid catch on mish. I wasn't particularly concerned enough to comment on her vote. 

 

@darthe fetch your partner, how will she learn if you cover all the bases for her :)

 

Blue: kTells Darthe to let his play speak for himself, not tell people he's cleared.  Yea so what?

 

Not sure how he feels about Craylee atm, started off saying how Cory should play, riles him, now...? good about cory. wondering about you. It's a pickle for sure.

 

Purple: He accuses Pral of being mafia because of how he worded things. Once again a refrence to a different game that pray brought up since i mentioned being mentored hence a change in my posting style, and the context was in thread. ISO leave alot of context clues out of the picture. It seems you just ignorant of these or using them to paint me red.. interesting.

 

Bold: Says he was just trying to irritate Cory for dictating what he could say? Wait, didn't he tell Cory how to play concerning Tommy? Pot meet Kettle. I've already discussed this but yea their's a difference in trying to be helpful (me) and being rude(cory). Also it's been pointed out that retaliating aggressively or showing irritation is somehow a scum tell. So i returned the favor in another way. 

 

Green: Agrees with Tommy about Mish. So he now trust Tommy? I'm confused. I dont trust anyone. Doesn't mean i cant acknowledge when i agree with a someone's point. Your confused because the majority of what you think you know about my reads is incorrect and you assumed what i meant by a post, summarized it and saw that it made little sense in that perspective and used it to warrant a vote. 

 

He ends by telling Darthe to have Dawn play. yes. something wrong with that?

[Tommyrod]

While I really don't agree with what Amega is saying, and his narrative is difficult to follow, when I strain my eyes and brain, I can see some stuff in there that looks like, like him stating that he was suspicious of me because Darthe asked me what I wanted to talk about. I found that comment by Darthe stupid because why is he putting the onus of conversation on me? Why isn't he trying to get discussion going to help solve the game?

 

Right now I'd rather vote Darthe and see where that goes. Amega... could still be scum, yeah, but he's also hard to make sense of... I'm getting consistent bad vibes from Darthe, so let's go.

 

##Unvote Amega

##Vote Darthe
 

[amegakure]

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89145-basic-real-genius-mafia-day-1/?view=findpost&p=3237526

 

@LENLO dont now how to link this but this is the post that tommy voted mish for? literally one sentence about me and a vote and the rest is about other player's so you either didn't read it and just defended misheru or you lied to make tommy look bad? 

 

@tommy what is hard to follow is it the replies in quotes? if so i can put all my replies in a new post and you can use the original quote for context. Or is it in the wording it's self that makes it hard to follow?  

[Tommyrod]

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89145-basic-real-genius-mafia-day-1/?view=findpost&p=3237526

 

@LENLO dont now how to link this but this is the post that tommy voted mish for? literally one sentence about me and a vote and the rest is about other player's so you either didn't read it and just defended misheru or you lied to make tommy look bad? 

 

@tommy what is hard to follow is it the replies in quotes? if so i can put all my replies in a new post and you can use the original quote for context. Or is it in the wording it's self that makes it hard to follow?  

 

It's both. I have difficulty following your narrative because your phrasing is unusual and difficult to read from an ease-of-interpretation standpoint. If you were an author I would burn your books.

 

But yes, replies-within-quotes are the worst thing ever and I had a hard time making out who was talking to whom in your last MQ.

[amegakure]

So you thought it was stupid becuase you wanted the attention to not be focused on you and he tried to put the attention back on you by having you start new conversation?

[Tommyrod]

So you thought it was stupid becuase you wanted the attention to not be focused on you and he tried to put the attention back on you by having you start new conversation?

No, I just think it's a completely useless statement.

 

"What do you want to talk about?"

 

That's what people say when they are completely out of ideas.

 

Why is he out of ideas? Why does he want me to get the party started more than I have? Why isn't he doing the #work?

[amegakure]

alright i will grab the replies and put them in new post by themselfs. You'll have to point out an example of bad phasing cause im not entirely sure what you mean.

[amegakure]

 

So you thought it was stupid becuase you wanted the attention to not be focused on you and he tried to put the attention back on you by having you start new conversation?

No, I just think it's a completely useless statement.

 

"What do you want to talk about?"

 

That's what people say when they are completely out of ideas.

 

Why is he out of ideas? Why does he want me to get the party started more than I have? Why isn't he doing the #work?

 

That makes sense. 

[amegakure]

what do you think about lenlo's interpretation of you vote on mish?

[amegakure]

Going to the gym i'll put those replies when im back.

[Lenlo]

 

 

A mixture. Nyn has had some very pro-town post, most notably the case on Basel. Tommy I can't read this early, so Nyn dominates that read. You and Cory are content. Hallia and Pral more meta/gut read. Amega and Basel, content.

 

I can accept this.  I wasn't sure where the hell you were coming from on Hallia.  I saw nothing of value to that point, but the one game I played with her was fairly quiet.  Acceptable reads so far.

 

Well, I meant to say something before... but you can be a little creepy sometimes. I'm sure you get that all the time.

 

 

 

Nyn

QFE, QFT

Blue: kTells Darthe to let his play speak for himself, not tell people he's cleared.

 

 

Not sure how he feels about Craylee atm, started off saying how Cory should play, riles him, now...?

 

Purple: He accuses Pral of being mafia because of how he worded things.

 

Bold: Says he was just trying to irritate Cory for dictating what he could say? Wait, didn't he tell Cory how to play concerning Tommy? Pot meet Kettle.

 

Green: Agrees with Tommy about Mish. So he now trust Tommy? I'm confused.

 

He ends by telling Darthe to have Dawn play.

 

(Trimmed for size, obviously) This was generally good analysis, and I like the effort.  Regarding the green, do you think that his suspicions of Tommy should prevent him from agreeing with a point he raises about a different player?  More importantly, do you disagree with Amega that Tommy's point about Mish was good?

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Nommy (1) - Basel

Amega (3) - Mish, Nommy, CrayLee

Mish (1) - Clov

 

 

Not Voting (8): Zanube, Tsuki, Amega, Leno, Dawthe, Hallia, Pral

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

No deadline has been set at this time.

Still waiting to check in: Zanube - Despo has offered to step in if the mentee does not arrive

 

 

Hey, guys checking in. I'll post regarding game if all goes well tomorrow

 

Awful timing is awful.  Slight suspicion.

 

 

Seems fair.

 

Zanube being gone is terrible considering how active his mentor would be.

Clov looks slight town.

CrayJay is slight town (I have issue with Kaylee.  My main tell on her is that as scum she safely always summates instead of giving her impressions, aka IIOA which is information instead of analysis)

Tsuki? no friggin clue

Amega - slight scum, mainly for the taunting post he made at you and for his really spastic manner of overstating everything.  The reason this is slight is because I recently mentored him and watched him do this as town, albeit in a slightly more concise manner.

Lenlo? hasn't been around.  starting to see a trend.  His one significant post was meh.

Hally I can't recall either.  I feel like she has posted but hasn't contributed.  Prob town since that is her MO but I am not willing to clear her yet.

Laya looks a bit better, I recall him contributing meaningfully.  Gut impression, mind you.  I've not actually went back through

Nommy I like this game.  Pressured you right off the bat to see if I could get an atypical opening from you and I got what I wanted from it.  

Mish I can't really recall tbh

Basel I am a fan of here.  His posts, when made, look like town basel based on my quite good meta of him.  Unfortunately that meta is counter-intuitive to what constitutes good scumhunting.

 

1. WHY DOES CLOV LOOK LIKE TOWN?!?! You said this before. I questioned you twice. No answer. Now you say it again on your list of reads and fail to explain why. You can't ignore me forever!

 

2. So lets sum this up.

 

You have a null read on: Zanube, Tsuki, Lenlo, Mish.

Town lean: Clov (no reason provided repeatedly), CrayLee (based on Kaylee meta), Hallia (based on meta), Basil (meta), Paralya (gut impression), Nommy.

Scum lean: Amega (Meta for mentoring him).

 

You also conclude that meta is counter-intuitive to what constitutes as good scumhunting. Agreed.

 

 

Guys, I think Darthe blew the case wide open! :P

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

Lol nyn im calling clov town based on very little right now. We are really similar and he is making the same sorts of points that I am. A good example of this is whenhe picked cory out for corys odd post about my townread of him.

 

It seems to really bother you that I didnt answer that quickly. Tbh I just hadnt read back to figureboutbwhat your question was cause ive been on mobile while nicci was here (she isnt much of a mafia fan) and am busy catching up in another game.

 

Another thing you got wrong nyn. I said specifically that Basel has a meta that is counter intuitive. He is more open as town and thus scummier because he isnt good at shaping sentences in such a way that they look townie and he tends to be reticent to stand out so much as scum making him appear townier at a base level.

 

I'm sorry if irked that you have this much directly wrong when you quoted the post.

 

 

I'm sorry if irked that you have this much directly wrong when you quoted the post.

 

LOL  nice spin. You should work for bush.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

Explain how that is a spin Nyn. My thoughts are direct and on thread. Right now you look like youre spouting anything you can to try and work your angle. When I make statements and you directly ignore parts of them and summarize them I am going to call question to that 100% of the time.

 

Darthe looking good here IMO.  I like his response to Nyn's questioning about the counter-intuitive comment.  I don't like when people misrepresent my words (whether accidental or or intentional), and that clearly happened with Nyn's red statement.  Would have looked worse if he backtracked instead of clarifying.

 

 

I disagree with you on Darthe. While he clarified instead of backtracking, he still didnt answer Nyns question about Cory and imo the tone of the pieces doesnt feel good to me.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89145-basic-real-genius-mafia-day-1/?view=findpost&p=3237526

 

@LENLO dont now how to link this but this is the post that tommy voted mish for? literally one sentence about me and a vote and the rest is about other player's so you either didn't read it and just defended misheru or you lied to make tommy look bad? 

 

 

Oh actual gameplay in that post, it was all at you. Everything else was small talk and jokes. So while yeah it was one sentence about you it was the only gameplay oriented sentence.