[Advanced] Once Upon a Time Mafia- Game Over, Town Wins!!!

[Tyler Glembo]

Aiight...not fully caught up but slowly getting to where we stand now.  Haven't put in enough to get solid scum reads so I'm just thought spewing.

 

Dawn - Vetted by Turin.  ST was Nikon so safely town.

 

RTE - Claimed cop, no CC.  Tal has claimed RT, which puts RTE's claim in doubt.  The RT jives with LD/ST/RT, but in this scenario a cop also would be overkill.  That means that a GF/Miller would prolly come into play in order to make the negative utility match.  It seems no one has claimed miller yet.  However, as an info lynch, if RTE is lynched it says nothing about Hally one way or another.  Hally could still be GF or town (if RTE flips cop) or could be town or maf (if RTE flips maf). 

 

AJ - claimed Doc, no CC.  AJ has been scum hunting all game from what I've read so far and my early town read on him hasn't dropped.  I doubt he is Clouding.

 

Thane3 - claimed VT.  BFG went hard at Tcubed at night which doesn't say much IMO.  Don't like Tcubed going after inactives like he had some sort of read on me when I was gone.  Need to read more to come to any sort of conclusion.

 

Hallia - claimed town by RTE.  Apparently went mostly MIA after being supposedly vetted.  Could be GF if RTE is cop.  Could be town or maf if RTE is fake claiming.

 

Talmanes - claimed RT.  Fits with LD.  Unlikely to be lying as the negative utility of the claim fits for balance.  Still if RTE is not cop then a RT and an ST would be too far on scum side unless there is only 1 scum left.

 

Tsuki - claimed vig, shot BFG.  could still be a SK as could have been blocked or jailed.

 

PoE points to T-cubed for scum.  Dawn is the only legit cleared person as far as I can tell.  Everyone else could be lying. 

[Thane Vakarian]

Thane3's push on me is gross.  There is plenty of other people who mentioned my votes (Turin did) yet Thane3 wants to vote me for being inactive when everyone knew I wouldn't be around.  Bleurgh

I would nearly apologize for voting you, even if you were absent for a long period. But, you still didn't claim anything and you haven't posted enough to clear you as town. I also did mention that your vote after DL on me was a scummove making sure i'd be lynched... (first Thane)

[wheeloftime13]

Official Vote Count

 

TG (1/5): Thane, RTE, Hallia

RTE (3/5): AJ, dawn, Talmanes

 

people not voting (2/8: TG, , Tsuki

 

Deadline: Wednesday May 14, 20:00 EST

1 day 11 hours 37 minutes

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Ugh [v] TG [/v]

 

@mod

[Hallia]

[v] tg [/v]

 

Not impressed with his comeback

[wheeloftime13]

 

Ugh [v] TG [/v]

 

 

@mod

Sorry bout that...

[Tyler Glembo]

[v] tg [/v]

 

Not impressed with his comeback

 

What part of it?  Ask me something.

[Andrej]

Looks like the wagons are tied now, that's interesting.

[Hallia]

Everyone else has claimed, why the reticence to do so?

 

What do you think of the rte train?

 

 

What do you think the odds are of there being a LD and a cop?

[Tyler Glembo]

[v] tg [/v]

 

Not impressed with his comeback

 

Also, I haven't even finished the full comeback which is why I am still just PoEing and sorting info in my head.  I'll have to start ISOing after I finish my re-read to get a solid scum read on anyone at this point.

 

I'm Princess Abigail, VT.

 

I'm beginning to see the direction AJ is going with the RTE lynch.  I'm town so I know that someone is lying in the PR claims.  The role claims don't jive.  Scenarios with dawn as conf town:

 

RTE and Hally are scum-scum and used fake claim to try and get to endgame with pressure building on RTE. - possible

RTE and T-cubed are scum-scum and RTE fake claimed and now T-cubed is trying to save partner - possible

RTE and AJ are scum-scum and gambiting to have AJ coast to endgame if RTE is lynched - unlikely

RTE and Tal are scum-scum and both are fake-claiming.  given possibility of getting caught for a fake claim is high therefore 2 fake claims is - unlikely

Hally and T-cubed are scum-scum and Hally is GF and thus disappeared after being vetted. - possible

Hally and AJ are scum-scum and Hally is GF while AJ Clouded, this would more balance the game with a cop + LD - possible

Hally and Tal are scum-scum and Hally is GF while Tal fake-claimed to a role that would fit.  did Tal claim before or after Turin could check? - possible

T-cubed and AJ are scum-scum and AJ Clouded while T-cubed took over a slot that he can't replace in again from (hence mafia) - possible

T-cubed and Tal are scum-scum and Tal fake claimed - possible

AJ and Tal are scum-scum, for same reasons as RTE and Tal - unlikely

 

Given the scenarios the possible times each player could be in a scum team are:

 

RTE - 2

Hally - 4

T-cubed - 4

Tal - 2

AJ - 2

 

Given that I'm going to get to ISOing.

[Tyler Glembo]

Everyone else has claimed, why the reticence to do so?

 

What do you think of the rte train?

 

 

What do you think the odds are of there being a LD and a cop?

 

Reticence to do so?  What are you talking about?  I never had a reticence to do so, I was away from the game and am just now catching up.  And as I'm catching up I realize that it was time to claim so I did but you ninja'd it.  Interesting that you're building a narrative here on motivations that couldn't have possibly existed since I wasn't even here.

 

I think the RTE train looks a lot cleaner than mine given who is on it.  I'm realizing that there is some definite WIFOM to go through here with all the claims not matching.  The only way everyone is "telling the truth" is if you are GF and T-cubed is your partner. 

 

I think the odds are very low of LD and Cop unless there is significant negative utility which includes a ST, RT, GF, and Miller.  Given no miller claim (I'm not and T-cubed has claimed VT) then it is still possible if ST, RT, and GF maybe.  But in that case I would take away the doc which would mean a fake claim from AJ.  Especially considering town would have an LD, a cop, a doc, a RBer, and a vig.  Seems way overpowered.  Maybe Tsuki is SK and was blocked?  Can somebody tell me if the claimed actions line up for that?  But even if Tsuki is Sk that still puts mafia at a disadvantage. 

 

TL;DR I don't think it is likely to have a LD, RB, Vig, Doc, and Cop. 

 

Looks like the wagons are tied now, that's interesting.

 

And look who is on my wagon vs. RTEs.  That is more interesting.

[Tyler Glembo]

@Hally - What do you think of hte possibility of LD and Cop and Vig and Doc and RBer?

[Andrej]

I've already been checked and cleared by Turin. Nikon was the ST so we know his result was real.

 

I think Tal's claim is real. It's true that he claimed the Day before Turin was NK'd but so did several others so I would consider that null. His claim fits a lot more with the LD/ST we have seen and also casts more doubt on RTE being the cop.

 

I think the last 2 are within TG, Thane3, RTE and Hallia.

 

I see a RTE/Thane3 pairing as most likely.

[Andrej]

Tsuki has claimed to be odd Night which jives with Chae being shot N1 and BFG on N3.

[Tyler Glembo]

I've already been checked and cleared by Turin. Nikon was the ST so we know his result was real.

 

I think Tal's claim is real. It's true that he claimed the Day before Turin was NK'd but so did several others so I would consider that null. His claim fits a lot more with the LD/ST we have seen and also casts more doubt on RTE being the cop.

 

I think the last 2 are within TG, Thane3, RTE and Hallia.

 

I see a RTE/Thane3 pairing as most likely.

 

I missed that then.  Can you link to it for me?

[Tyler Glembo]

Tsuki has claimed to be odd Night which jives with Chae being shot N1 and BFG on N3.

 

Also missed that. 

[Tyler Glembo]

Hallia is SUBZERO.

[Andrej]

What do you want a link to?

[Hallia]

Hallia is at work? I think you're right for the record. Not sure this many PRs would be in a game. Other games I've been in there's a LD but no cop. Also, in LD games I've seen a silver tongue or a rubber tongue but not both.

 

I dubious of both claims

 

Also funny how you missed the part about AJ, that looked like sowing WIFOM to me

[Andrej]

excellent. AJ is clear and dawn could only be town or 3rd part survivor in that case. That explains why Nikon was so quick to comply with my request. 

 

1. dawnflower8: claimed town??, LD tested true

2. Nikon: claimed town only??

3. dicetosser1 Grumpy, town vanilla killed Night 1

4. Chae Prince Charming, town vanilla killed Night 1

5. Tina Ithillian Thane 2 Blue Fairy, town roleblocker killed Night 2

6. Thane Granny, town vanilla lynched Day 2

7. RTE: claimed Henry, Cop

8. TGlems: absent

9. IceTurin: Claimed Emma Swan, LD

10. AJ: Claimed Jiminy Cricket, Doc, LD tested true

11. Basel Cinderella, town vanilla lynched Day 1

12. edThane3: Claimed Red riding Hood, VT

13. Hallia: Claimed Snow White, VT??? cop viewed Town

14. Talmanes: Claimed Pinochio, Town Miller/Rubbertongue

15. BFG: ???

16. Tsukibana: Claimed Huntsman, Odd night Vig

 

 

Is that all right? did I miss something?

 

Here are a few examples of Turin telling who he had checked/cleared along with the other claims.

 

@Turin - My role says that my statements will be read as false so if you would read one of my statements it would come up as false. It doesn't say anything about reading Mafia if checked by a Cop, nor did I say anything to that effect. That's why I know there is a LD but don't know if there is also a Cop. Also, if you read that as an emotional appeal that's your opinion. I was simply making statements. I honestly never had made it to the end of a Mafia, which is just a fact. I'm not bothered by that, what happens happens *shrug*

 

I do see what you are saying though, and I would be happy to be cleared, so:

I, Talmanes, am Mafia.

 

I would like to note I'm not actually saying I'm Mafia, rather giving Turin a statement he can use to verify the fact that I'm Town.

 

Here is Tal explaining his role - the important bit is that he will show up false to a LD but sees nothing about investigating guilty to a cop. This lends weight to there NOT BEING A COP.

[Tyler Glembo]

What do you want a link to?

 

I was asking for a link to Turin clearing you, but I found it with a quick ISO...and now you ninja'd me on it.  Thanks.

 

Hallia is at work? I think you're right for the record. Not sure this many PRs would be in a game. Other games I've been in there's a LD but no cop. Also, in LD games I've seen a silver tongue or a rubber tongue but not both.

 

I dubious of both claims

 

Also funny how you missed the part about AJ, that looked like sowing WIFOM to me

 

You are dubious of both claims.  How do you propose sorting them out? 

[Tyler Glembo]

Also funny how you missed the part about AJ, that looked like sowing WIFOM to me

 

Or it is that I tried to quickly catch up on 60 pages and missed some things.  Why don't you mention that I also missed the part about Tsuki?

[Andrej]

DL is tomorrow.

 

I would much rather lynch RTE over TG today. If he flips as the Cop well... damn, at least it's not Lylo and we still have another Day to recover from it. I don't think this is going to happen though - there's just too much stack against the claim to make it plausible, not to mention the narrative that has been put on by RTE. His claimed basically tabled him for the Day but at least we were able to still get scum lynched in Nikon. I actually want to look back (I suggest others do as well since we've still got about 24 hours to DL) and see who was pushing elsewhere over Nikon, I think that will give us a good bet for the remaining mafia.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Do what you like. Nothing more to say at this point that will change anything. I'll make sure it doesn't go random.

 

My list is TG, Talmanes, Hallia.

[Talmanes]

@RTE didn't you claim you read Hallia and she was Town?