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well, i'm back. It would be helpful if we would know the vig, but, i doubt it's a good idea to reveal himself/herself for now.

 

Don't like RTE and TG being absent. no idea if they lay low, or if they really are absent. Keeping my eye on both of them.

 

Nikon had an eye on me for a long time, didn't seem to want to move his vote untill the lynch on Basel was getting obvious. Have an off-vibe from him.

 

Hallia, i dunno. Wish she'd be more active and curious to see how she will react on her vote.

 

Then there's dice.. way too quiet. Either lurking in the shadows or not really paying attention to the game.

 

Tsuki switches constantly for me... then he's ok, then he's scum.. for now, scummy feel.

 

Ithi... dunno.... started off a strong scum read, then caught up, will be looking into her progress in the game.

 

AJ, dawn, Talmanes seem town to me. Or i could be totally mistaken.

 

For now vote Tsuki , can't tell if his mention of 3 town dead being fun was sarcastic, or hidden joy.

 

in case anybody missed it, i can't edit, so i will say:

 

Then there's ICE.. way too quiet. Either lurking in the shadows or not really paying attention to the game.

 

Two more posts from Thane since the start of D2 that I missed in ISO for some reason. Some of the reads are kinda interesting.

 

Votes for Tsuki (one of my town reads), soft-FOS on Nikon (another town read), no read on Hallia. The Thane/Hallia connection is becoming pretty strong here to me. Hedges on the Ithi read as well. Calls me, Tal and Dawn his town reads - but also allows himself some wiggle room with the bit after "Or I could be totally mistaken".

 

The second quote he soft FOS Ice as well, who is now replaced by Turin and looking like a very town player atm.

 

So yeah - my scum read on Thane is based a lot on him pushing/FOS my other town reads as well as the connection I see with him and Hallia. Both have mentioned each other but don't take a definitive stance, this is pretty telling. Hallia linking me and Thane (who will probably get lynched today) is pretty telling as well - ESPECIALLY if Thane flips mafia. This would make Hallia lock scum to me - although she pretty much already is at this point.

 

Thane/Hallia wagons are a go today.

 

GO GO GO FTW

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Huntsman Wiki

 

Looked this up just now, pretty much confirms that the Huntsman would be a Town Vig. I think the quote in the gray box makes him most certainly a town player - sacrificing himself to save Snow is definitely not a characteristic I would put to a SK.

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Anyway - I'm out for the night. Will check again tomorrow at school when I have time between classes, might be able to post in the morning before I leave but that depends if I decide to sleep in or not.

 

<.<

 

More votes on Thane/Hallia would be a splendid thing to wake up to.

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First line of bolded. Weary of her? Dr. Freud table for one. lol. She is a strong player, and her slot is nearly cleared by Tina's posting alone. I would think that you would be more likely to put her into the too good to risk mislynching D1 pile. maybe that is just me. 

I am saying that in general about Ithi. She's a strong player so naturally I am weary of her. People are free to make their own decisions about her though.

Dawn was the first one to actually vote Basel for a legitimate reason (defending her), I'll need to look back on the other people. I joined the wagon at 4 I believe and then the others were close behind. Tsuki hammered.

I'll pull the quotes I want from Thane after dinner when I can get back on my laptop. That read is sort of conditional based on who he has pushed today and me thinking they are probably town players.

Tsuki is a town read because of how he is playing. He's questioning a lot (although I don't think all of his questions have been the best in some cases) and applying pressure. He seems invested in the game and trying to solve it.

The RTE quote will come later as well. I think you'll understand once I show it though.

Thane was third then switched to Ithi. Then you then Chae, then Thane leapt back on. Followed by ithi, Hallia, Nikon and finally Tsuki. Earlier you said that you would expect to find 2-3 mafia on that lynch. 

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well, i'm back. It would be helpful if we would know the vig, but, i doubt it's a good idea to reveal himself/herself for now.

 

Don't like RTE and TG being absent. no idea if they lay low, or if they really are absent. Keeping my eye on both of them.

 

Nikon had an eye on me for a long time, didn't seem to want to move his vote untill the lynch on Basel was getting obvious. Have an off-vibe from him.

 

Hallia, i dunno. Wish she'd be more active and curious to see how she will react on her vote.

 

Then there's dice.. way too quiet. Either lurking in the shadows or not really paying attention to the game.

 

Tsuki switches constantly for me... then he's ok, then he's scum.. for now, scummy feel.

 

Ithi... dunno.... started off a strong scum read, then caught up, will be looking into her progress in the game.

 

AJ, dawn, Talmanes seem town to me. Or i could be totally mistaken.

 

For now vote Tsuki , can't tell if his mention of 3 town dead being fun was sarcastic, or hidden joy.

 

in case anybody missed it, i can't edit, so i will say:

 

Then there's ICE.. way too quiet. Either lurking in the shadows or not really paying attention to the game.

 

Two more posts from Thane since the start of D2 that I missed in ISO for some reason. Some of the reads are kinda interesting.

 

Votes for Tsuki (one of my town reads), soft-FOS on Nikon (another town read), no read on Hallia. The Thane/Hallia connection is becoming pretty strong here to me. Hedges on the Ithi read as well. Calls me, Tal and Dawn his town reads - but also allows himself some wiggle room with the bit after "Or I could be totally mistaken".

 

The second quote he soft FOS Ice as well, who is now replaced by Turin and looking like a very town player atm.

 

So yeah - my scum read on Thane is based a lot on him pushing/FOS my other town reads as well as the connection I see with him and Hallia. Both have mentioned each other but don't take a definitive stance, this is pretty telling. Hallia linking me and Thane (who will probably get lynched today) is pretty telling as well - ESPECIALLY if Thane flips mafia. This would make Hallia lock scum to me - although she pretty much already is at this point.

 

Thane/Hallia wagons are a go today.

 

GO GO GO FTW

 

In fairness to Thane regarding his Ice FoS, I don't think he has really been on since I replaced in. 

 

I really do not like how you are keeping Thane in your top three mafia but managing to put someone else in front of him everytime that it comes to voting. First it was Dawn, then it was Hallia, RTE has been added to the list and he will most likely move ahead of Thane should if they are both alive tomorrow. It looks like trying to walk the tightrope of saying he is possibly mafia but never actually voting him.

 

I am more interested in AJ/Thane trains today. They have both defended each other at times this game. Thane moving from solid town read by AJ to prime lynch candidate to maybe mafia but not the top candidate pings like crazy that they are in fact teammates. My plan would be to lynch one, if they flip mafia, lynch the other tomorrow. Then I think we will have a load of info about the remaining mafia. My vote is on AJ but I would be willing to vote Thane.

 

AJ, why do you think that Thane is going to be the lynch for today? 

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I have no problem lynching Thane. Like zero qualms. If that's who gets ran up today I will be on that wagon. I say that he's probably going to be the lynch today because people are expressing more interest in him than others.

 

unvote; vote Thane

 

Let's get this done. The Vig can sort this out as well depending on who they shoot tonight. Me or Hallia - if I die and after you see my flip definitely lynch Hallia next. She is obvscum IMO.

 

"Waited to see reactions" - to what? The quotes you pulled show absolutely nothing and you aren't clarifying your case at all. Didn't I call it that she would vote me over Thane? It's terribly obvious.

 

I think Thane and Hally will flip mafia. I, however, will not.

 

What do you think of the connection I have pointed out with her and Thane and their noncommittal reads towards each other? Her linking is bad and obvious too. Both lynched will benefit town, I would bet the house on that.

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And what ideas am I not open to? Lol

 

I've said time and time again I would vote any of my scum reads. I have listed multiple times who I think is what and why.

 

What are your reads Hallia? I find it very telling that mostly you have been handing out town reads, most with little justification.

 

Pro tip: players who arbitrarily clear others are usually scum. They already know who the town is, so they can 'clear' them easily. Hallia's lack of scum reads all game is a HUGE red flag. Do not ignore this. It shows that she is unable to 'case' townies to fabricate them as looking like scum. Seriously - lynch her when/if I die.

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Another question for Hallia - let's say I did before Thane. How will my town flip affect your read there?

 

Answer this clearly (if you do at all).

 

I want everyone to pay attention to this as well.

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First line of bolded. Weary of her? Dr. Freud table for one. lol. She is a strong player, and her slot is nearly cleared by Tina's posting alone. I would think that you would be more likely to put her into the too good to risk mislynching D1 pile. maybe that is just me. 

 

I am saying that in general about Ithi. She's a strong player so naturally I am weary of her. People are free to make their own decisions about her though.

Dawn was the first one to actually vote Basel for a legitimate reason (defending her), I'll need to look back on the other people. I joined the wagon at 4 I believe and then the others were close behind. Tsuki hammered.

I'll pull the quotes I want from Thane after dinner when I can get back on my laptop. That read is sort of conditional based on who he has pushed today and me thinking they are probably town players.

Tsuki is a town read because of how he is playing. He's questioning a lot (although I don't think all of his questions have been the best in some cases) and applying pressure. He seems invested in the game and trying to solve it.

The RTE quote will come later as well. I think you'll understand once I show it though.

 

Thane was third then switched to Ithi. Then you then Chae, then Thane leapt back on. Followed by ithi, Hallia, Nikon and finally Tsuki. Earlier you said that you would expect to find 2-3 mafia on that lynch.

I didn't even notice I had typed weary - auto correct again lol. I meant wary, which is a healthy way of looking at player's of Ithi's caliber. As far as not wanting to lynch her D1, I would put that as a situation thing. So yeah - definitely just your opinion there.

 

I still maintain that there are 2-3 scum there. Thane posting that we shouldn't pay much attention to the wagon pings big time to me. Wagon analysis is a very powerful tool for townies. For now I think Hallia and Thane are the scum there. The others look pretty townie to me. My next best guess would be Dawn for reasons I have stated already. Fleshing out my reads on her and RTE will clear things up significantly for me.

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you all have been busy...

 

 

 

i think that even inexperienced players should know that discussing/talking about PR's openly in the thread would only help mafia. So it could be: 1) a really bad townmove or 2) a way to distract the doc to protect that player, and leave other players open for NK (like Tsuki mentioned)

 

..many options *nods*

Thane, I can understand why you might find this suspicious though going right to a VOTE without asking questions or reading my explanations to others who asked seems a bit off to me as well. I'm town but don't expect you to believe me and I still think you are the most likely suspect on my list. I did promise myself I'd take another look and try to see your side of things but if you still look scummy to me at the end of the day I won't fall for the trick again.

 

@Thane: You admit this could be a bad town-move but then vote me... Because you see me as a threat from my seeing through most of your shenanigans and actions towards you on day one or or do you actually see me as scum?

 

i actually read you as scum. I have no shenanigans to play, i'm here to try to find scum. I also noticed that, in the 4 pages that were posted while i was in bed, AJ did exactly the same thing. Trying to get people to claim a PR for me feels way too scummy to be ignored. 

 

i am somewhat amused. I think i've left enough out there to actually tell all the players that i'm town. A lynch on me will not make me flip scum, i can assure you that.

 

So, the feeling i get right now is that the people who are pushing the train on me, actually would like to lynch a townie. Maybe my random thought on AJ/Tsuki both being scum got some people worried?

 

Nikon, Nikon... sigh. You are being SO helpful, trying to vet other people... I have been fingering Thane and Dawn since Day One... why are you trying to clear him??

He was scummy before that... I'm really started to think I misunderstood casing people, if everyone else is gonna jump to their defense.

YOU are calling Thane's move to Ithit opportunistic, But you miss the fact that Ithi only voted Thane because he was sheeping on AJ's case against her...

Newscum vote switch often. I have spoken.

Nudges towards me, doesn't vote (yet, but that will happen so it's not too obvious he's scum and going on my train) Confirms my D1 feelings on Tsuki

 

I have no problem lynching Thane. Like zero qualms. If that's who gets ran up today I will be on that wagon. I say that he's probably going to be the lynch today because people are expressing more interest in him than others.

unvote; vote Thane

Let's get this done. The Vig can sort this out as well depending on who they shoot tonight. Me or Hallia - if I die and after you see my flip definitely lynch Hallia next. She is obvscum IMO.

"Waited to see reactions" - to what? The quotes you pulled show absolutely nothing and you aren't clarifying your case at all. Didn't I call it that she would vote me over Thane? It's terribly obvious.

I think Thane and Hally will flip mafia. I, however, will not.

What do you think of the connection I have pointed out with her and Thane and their noncommittal reads towards each other? Her linking is bad and obvious too. Both lynched will benefit town, I would bet the house on that.

The one person really pushing for me now, is you AJ. Hence the vote and the attitude in your posts that you would be ok to lynch me. As you say, wagon analysis is a powerful tool for townies, then maybe town should look at the ones pushing for the train.

 

With 16 players, i'm more inclined to think that there are 4 mafia, instead of 2-3. Which, would mean that with 13 players left, town/scum would be 9/4. Lynch me, it's 8/4, succesfull NK, it's 7/4 and starting to look bad for town.

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Ok, so my marvelous reasoning. Brace yourselves, clarity is coming. Or you know, you trying to follow with this reasoning

RTE can you explain how you go from AJ is fine, Dawn is new to AJ and Dawn are mafia?
 

You guys are all crazy.
 
Thane is noob. Nikon looks town. Basel looks just fine with his qualms about people voting noobs. Not sure he's town yet but none of that stuff looked scummy to me. Tsuki is sticking his neck out to me, looks town. Tina defended the train on me, so town or looking to get town cred as scum. Chae is still scummy. Not due to her play but because of her fascination and obsession with all things pink. Dawn is still a noob in my books but posting well. Which either means she's a good player or is being helped by her team or both? Andrej looks just fine. Hallia's doing her Hallia thing. Ed is alive (Hi Ed, missed you!). TG is getting his EBromance on with AJ from the Hydra game. I can respect that. No read yet but I'm awful at reading the TG. Talmanes is new to me. Hallo der Talmanes. No read on Dice. BFG is just fine (and I still can't get a decent read on her for the life of me) and that's everyone. :wub:

 

So this was my first post after a lot of discussion about how I got 4 people voting for me in a span of a few pages on Day 1. I was basically trying to go through the game list and give my impressions of what I thought of everyone at that moment based on what I had gleamed from their posts and interactions.

 

Most suspicious maybe Dawn for the 4th vote if I remember correctly. Least suspicious Thane for being an excited noob. Chae's vote also bears no suspicion for me. Who was the other again?

 

So this is the next morning. I hadn't gone back to look at the train itself to see who voted in what order but I should have. I also hadn't done that when I posted above, just went based on memory and having followed the thread without a reread. So here I point out that I don't know who the 4th person was on my train and also note that I had some doubt as to the vote order itself (if I remember correctly).
 

Ha ha ha. That's funny. You should know better.

Better than dawn even. Guess that makes you suspect number one.

vote Andrej

Thanks for your honesty. Now why would you jump on a train like that? Bad scum Andrej!

 
  I can't remember if there was another post before this that you didn't quote but whatever. Here basically Andrej says he was the the other person and I realize (or he tells me?) that he was the second person on my train. Here is where I get very suspicious. AJ is no stranger to mafia in the BT and knows the meta for the site. 2nd votes on the first day or basically joke vote #2 always has a negative connotation in it in my books. Joke votes are usually evenly spread with no one getting more than one and typically not having a desire to put anyone at 2 votes while everyone else is at 1 joke vote anyways. Of course, I'm so special I got 4. So yes, I call him out on being the second vote on me on day 1 joke voting period as IMO it has scummy precedent.
 

Nah not fussed. Biut of the 4 votes yours is the most suspicious if I count dawn's as bad noob play. Otherwise Dawn's vote reeks.

You on the other hand have played a ton of games here. You know how people feel about two joke votes on one person in a big enough game. It's pretty rare and always draws a lot of notice. 4 on the other hand... Ha ha well you all know how I make a guy feel special :wub:

 
I don't follow your reasoning here. If AJ knows how people view second votes on trains, why would AJ as mafia draw that attention to himself?

 

Are you telling me people who are mafia won't do anything that draw any attention to themselves at any point in the game? If any stage is most harmless it is during the joke vote stage and he didn't know I would end up having 4 people on my train. At that point he looked safe. And frankly at that point I just discredited Dawn's vote based on noob play as the game was still quite early and this is the only thing that had stood out against her then. Now I know that she is not only more experienced and not quite a noob, but scummier than I thought as well.
 

I was enjoying the show. Knowledge is power.

What's the issue? We don't even have a deadline yet.

Again why would a deadline affect your mafia hunting?

 

If we are at deadline, I think you don't use votes for reactions. You vote your best scum read or try to at least secure a lynch to avoid a random. Since it was still early day 1 I was interested that my vote against him stirred him as much as it did and yes I think there is a big difference between voting someone at deadline as opposed to at a point in the game where there isn't a deadline yet at all.

 

Ok on said bus with said power outlet so from here on out I'll be here per usual activity levels.

Ok so top people I'm interested in are Andrej, Dawn, and thane. I believe at least one of the quiet players might be mafia and I don't think it's a bad idea to look at the final VC but

 
Welcome back. So essentially you're most interested in the people who were on your train at the beginning of Day 1, any other reason?

 

Yes, I think their play hasn't improved or has dropped off considerably. AJ is an interesting one. I think that if dawn is scum as I suspect, it essentially clears AJ in my books as town. If she's town then he begs more revisiting. I'm still undecided about him but he isn't among my top scum reads.

 

 

 

Now, part of me is starting to think that if Thane is scum, his team would have quieted him down a lot sooner than he did. Then again who knows, maybe he didn't check the QT or just was going with the flow and it got a bit out of hand. That being said he did go quite quiet now so that's interesting. I see a shift there. I'm thinking Dawn and Thane are scum and lately Hallia's posting is irking me. I have trouble with Hallia though. Her recent posts have been better although that is mostly based on the agreeing with Turin and possibly the post before. Problem is she plays very very similarly as town and scum but as town probably will post something more comprehensive and lengthy at some point which I don't think she has done yet. At least, not one that particularly satisfied me enough to have her as a solid town read. Nikon is someone else I'm interested in looking closer at.

 

Town reads on Turin, Tsuki, Ithi (sorry to see you go :sad: ) BFG,

 

Town lean on AJ

 

Scum read on Dawn and Thane

 

Scum lean on Hallia and Nikon

 

Null on TG (he said he had some R/L stuff going on FYI), Talmanes, Ed (posting was ok but very low volume, hard to make much of out it, almost a town lean though but too little to go on)

 

Happy with my vote for now but at deadline would switch to Thane or, as a last resort, Hallia for consolidation (scum lean but I'm wrong about her a lot and worried I might be here as well).

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Nikon, Nikon... sigh. You are being SO helpful, trying to vet other people... I have been fingering Thane and Dawn since Day One... why are you trying to clear him??

He was scummy before that... I'm really started to think I misunderstood casing people, if everyone else is gonna jump to their defense.

YOU are calling Thane's move to Ithit opportunistic, But you miss the fact that Ithi only voted Thane because he was sheeping on AJ's case against her...

Newscum vote switch often. I have spoken.

Nudges towards me, doesn't vote (yet, but that will happen so it's not too obvious he's scum and going on my train) Confirms my D1 feelings on Tsuki

HAH. You mean the Day 1 where you were all over the place? Please. I've already stated that I wait to vote to give people a chance to speak.

 

you all have been busy...

 

 

 

i think that even inexperienced players should know that discussing/talking about PR's openly in the thread would only help mafia. So it could be: 1) a really bad townmove or 2) a way to distract the doc to protect that player, and leave other players open for NK (like Tsuki mentioned)

 

..many options *nods*

Thane, I can understand why you might find this suspicious though going right to a VOTE without asking questions or reading my explanations to others who asked seems a bit off to me as well. I'm town but don't expect you to believe me and I still think you are the most likely suspect on my list. I did promise myself I'd take another look and try to see your side of things but if you still look scummy to me at the end of the day I won't fall for the trick again.

 

@Thane: You admit this could be a bad town-move but then vote me... Because you see me as a threat from my seeing through most of your shenanigans and actions towards you on day one or or do you actually see me as scum?

 

i actually read you as scum. I have no shenanigans to play, i'm here to try to find scum. I also noticed that, in the 4 pages that were posted while i was in bed, AJ did exactly the same thing. Trying to get people to claim a PR for me feels way too scummy to be ignored. 

 

i am somewhat amused. I think i've left enough out there to actually tell all the players that i'm town. A lynch on me will not make me flip scum, i can assure you that.

 

So, the feeling i get right now is that the people who are pushing the train on me, actually would like to lynch a townie. Maybe my random thought on AJ/Tsuki both being scum got some people worried?

 

 

I have no problem lynching Thane. Like zero qualms. If that's who gets ran up today I will be on that wagon. I say that he's probably going to be the lynch today because people are expressing more interest in him than others.

 

unvote; vote Thane

 

Let's get this done. The Vig can sort this out as well depending on who they shoot tonight. Me or Hallia - if I die and after you see my flip definitely lynch Hallia next. She is obvscum IMO.

 

"Waited to see reactions" - to what? The quotes you pulled show absolutely nothing and you aren't clarifying your case at all. Didn't I call it that she would vote me over Thane? It's terribly obvious.

 

I think Thane and Hally will flip mafia. I, however, will not.

 

What do you think of the connection I have pointed out with her and Thane and their noncommittal reads towards each other? Her linking is bad and obvious too. Both lynched will benefit town, I would bet the house on that.

The one person really pushing for me now, is you AJ. Hence the vote and the attitude in your posts that you would be ok to lynch me. As you say, wagon analysis is a powerful tool for townies, then maybe town should look at the ones pushing for the train.

 

With 16 players, i'm more inclined to think that there are 4 mafia, instead of 2-3. Which, would mean that with 13 players left, town/scum would be 9/4. Lynch me, it's 8/4, succesfull NK, it's 7/4 and starting to look bad for town.

Nice. Just like AJ, before Turin called him on it, you seem to consistently have someone on your list you just miraculously NEVER moves to the top. Always someone else to vote for, despite the fact that AJ is so scummy that you mention him 3 times... yet your vote sticks on me...

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Official Vote Count

 

Nikon (1/7): Thane

Dawn (1/7): RTE

AJ (2/7): Turin, Hallia

RTE (1/7): BFG

Thane (1/7): AJ

 

not voting (8/13): Ithi, Nikon, dawn, Talmanes, TG, ed, tsuki

 

 

 

Deadline: Tuesday May 6, 20:00 EST

11 hours 58 minutes

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@RTE: unfortunately, i have changing workshifts, and that affects activity. Now, lucky me (or not), i am on sickleave due to a heavy airway infection, so i can check regularly during the day. I don't like to hide and go quiet, especially not after the amount of posts i made already. So close to deadline, it would look like me hiding and hoping the storm would blow over. Don't do that, i'd rather face the storm and convince you that i am not the train people should jump on, since i'm town and will not flip scum when lynched.

 

@Tsuki: i know you like to give people the oppoetunity to speak. But, in my point of view, the bst way to get people to speak and clarify themselves is to have a vote on them. Maybe i have a kind of play this time that involves switching votes. You would have to agree with me that it did get people to talk. Furthermore, my vote is not on you. My vote is on Nikon. Did you mis that or are looking for excuses?

 

For now: unvote

 

i will follow the thread as it develops towards deadline. If activity is good, it should become interesting

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So, if you are wondering why I voted Basel for defending me but later defended AJ:

 

Basel defended me because I was new and thought I was incapable of making a vote that made sense, or something like that (even though it was a jokevote) 

"Being new" is a bad reason to clear someone, especially at such an early point in the game. I had done nothing at that point that seemed town, so him defending me that early in the game was really unusual. 

 

I defended AJ because it was later on in the game, he had made a lot more posts, and all of his posts seemed very town to me. 

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@Tsuki: i know you like to give people the oppoetunity to speak. But, in my point of view, the bst way to get people to speak and clarify themselves is to have a vote on them. Maybe i have a kind of play this time that involves switching votes. You would have to agree with me that it did get people to talk. Furthermore, my vote is not on you. My vote is on Nikon. Did you mis that or are looking for excuses?

 

 

Derp. Mea Culpa.

 

Concerning having a vote on a person: I never understand why people think a vote makes a person more likely to get into discussion. 2 or 3, maybe. But just one? To me, throwing a single vote on a person says more about who tries to join the bandwagon, rather than getting the person to talk. (Although, in some cases it seems to work well - Ithi/AJ - I just don't get WHY?)(

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Ok. 

 

This may sound like a bandwagon, but Thane seems scummiest to me. During the first day, he seemed probably the next scummiest after Basel - especially with his weird reaction to my joke vote and then him jokevoting after I did. It just seems weird. Vote Thane. 

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Hey all, I haven't had a chance to read the game or anything due to IRL issues.  I won't be able to catch up until this weekend at best, but I PMd time about replacing me and she said if I can post once or twice before friday I won't get modkilled.  I'll try to read the last few pages at least but for today I'm going to sheep my vote on whatever the biggest train is.

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