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[Advanced] Once Upon a Time Mafia- Game Over, Town Wins!!!

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Nikonis Grand Master

Nikonis

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I'll start off with a fresh look at day two then go back and merge with my day one thoughts to see if my feels for anyone have changed.

 

AJ - Started Day 2 off with a good recap and new set of OP's based on it and has been exploring possible leads as D2 progresses

 

Dawn - Replied that AJ missed her but no comments or new OP's based from the two night deaths.

 

RTE - "Night was only 26 minutes?" Lynch announced on 5/2 at 4:38PM  |  NK announced on 5/3 at 5:16PM so there was 24 hours, 38 minutes between the two (10 minutes less if from the RP Lynch post)

When RTE had a stable connection he added his top 3 suspects.

 

BFG - Asked for explanations on a few of RTE's statements.

 

  On 5/4/2014 at 6:26 PM, Tsukibana said:

Directed Towards Thane: I notice YOU moved your vote to Basel AFTER Ithi called Chels out for the "helpful" consolidation...

I brought this up before, didn't I?

He voted Basel then changed to Ithi at 12:54pm on 5/1 (because ithi "opertunisticly" voted him) and then went back to Basel the following day.

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Nikon, Nikon... sigh. You are being SO helpful, trying to vet other people... I have been fingering Thane and Dawn since Day One... why are you trying to clear him??

He was scummy before that... I'm really started to think I misunderstood casing people, if everyone else is gonna jump to their defense.

YOU are calling Thane's move to Ithit opportunistic, But you miss the fact that Ithi only voted Thane because he was sheeping on AJ's case against her...

Newscum vote switch often. I have spoken.

BFG Spam Master

BFG

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  On 5/5/2014 at 5:18 PM, Nikon said:

 

  On 5/5/2014 at 4:08 AM, dawnflower8 said:

So you think Hallia is the vig?

Not necessarily but one route I need to explore...

 

 

  On 5/5/2014 at 6:24 AM, BFG said:

Why would you point out someone that you think may have a Town PR?

 

Vote Nikon

Also, from what I read about them Vig is often Town so why should I limit my ideas to those I think look scummy?

 

POE (process of elimination - eliminating townies from the pool of players) is a very important tool, but it's better to keep power role hints/ideas to yourself as it helps mafia make their NK choice.

 

It's difficult to see a townie mindset for doing so.

 

 

  On 5/5/2014 at 5:35 PM, Andrej said:

BFG's question and vote are for you pointing in the direction of who you might think the PR is - which generally isn't a good idea to do as town. Mafia reads the thread as well, so if they hadn't done their own hunting you are basically doing it for them. Not a good idea - Town PRs are prime NK targets, so we need to protect them. Looking back to see who you think it might be on your own is fine, as it limits your suspect pool, but posting it on thread wasn't a good idea.

 

This, and better explained than I can.

 

  On 5/5/2014 at 5:49 PM, Nikon said:

 

  On 5/5/2014 at 5:35 PM, Andrej said:

BFG's question and vote are for you pointing in the direction of who you might think the PR is - which generally isn't a good idea to do as town. Mafia reads the thread as well, so if they hadn't done their own hunting you are basically doing it for them. Not a good idea - Town PRs are prime NK targets, so we need to protect them. Looking back to see who you think it might be on your own is fine, as it limits your suspect pool, but posting it on thread wasn't a good idea.

Sorry, didn't even think of that... Would it even be worth my time then or should I just focus on finding clues to who scum team is?

 

 

Worth doing, but keep it private.

 

  On 5/5/2014 at 5:56 PM, Andrej said:

We have like 30 hours to DL lol

 

I feel a random coming.

:huh:

 

 

 

 

  On 5/5/2014 at 7:11 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

This is very interesting.

If Dawn is lynched and flips scum, this vets Andrej. No way that is a bus move. Nikon's PR comment... Hrm. He is still new to Mafia but I do like AJ's comment that scum would have posted that on thread. Generally have a town lean on Nikon.

 

Right now scummier reads would have to be Dawn and Thane. I agree with AJ's reasoning on Tsuki. I also found it interesting so many people popped up and posted after I did. BFG I will get to answering your questions. I do remember my train of thought on those actions and will get to that.

 

Right now going with Vote Dawn

 

We're getting close to deadline and I think her lynch will be quite informative. And more importantly will be one mafia down.

 

Waiting.

 

Also can add to my questions, why is it interesting that people post after you, would also like an elaboration on your reads on Thane and Dawn, and why you're clearing AJ by association with Dawn before she flips?

 

  On 5/5/2014 at 7:43 PM, dawnflower8 said:

Why is it that in the beginning, most people thought I was town and now they've switched? Because I led the Basel lynch and he ended up being town?

 

Reads change throughout the game, you've been in a few games now so should know this.

 

  On 5/5/2014 at 7:52 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

the only downside to that reasoning would be that, for D1, in the worst case, you would kill 5 town before you reach scum (if there are 4). Plus, i doubt scum would all go on one single train, wouldn't make sense (if they play well).

 

we're focussing too much on the D1 train and not on what happened after.

 

 

 

 

(for Ithi: good luck with your son, i hope he'll be ok soon)

I don't understand what you mean here. So what should we be looking at, specifically?

 

 

  On 5/5/2014 at 8:03 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

Hope your son feels better Ithi!

 

Dawn, you aren't getting the benefit of the doubt anymore.

Still waiting...

 

Unvote Vote RTE

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  On 5/5/2014 at 9:01 PM, Tsukibana said:

Nikon, Nikon... sigh. You are being SO helpful, trying to vet other people... I have been fingering Thane and Dawn since Day One... why are you trying to clear him??

He was scummy before that... I'm really started to think I misunderstood casing people, if everyone else is gonna jump to their defense.

YOU are calling Thane's move to Ithit opportunistic, But you miss the fact that Ithi only voted Thane because he was sheeping on AJ's case against her...

Newscum vote switch often. I have spoken.

Who are you calling newscum here?

Nikonis Grand Master

Nikonis

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So adding my ideas from today in with my previous opinions I'd say that

 

SCUM

Thane - Leaning scum.

 

UNSURE

Ed - Neutral, bordering towards scum because of low value I have found in his posts.

RTE - Neutral, bordering towards scum

BFG - Neutral

Hallia - Neutral and still needing more reads to form a valid opinion

Ice/Turin - Neutral because of lack of posts to draw info from, hopefully now that Turin is taking over I can get a feel on their role.

Dawnflower8 - Neutral, still bordering towards town

Talmanes - Neutral, would be town except for the "is also closest majority" thing I mentioned towards the end of day 1.

TGlems - Not a lot to go on, not sure if sticking to the background or, like many in this game, just busy with RL

 

TOWN
Basel - Lynched, flipped town

Chael - Died Night1, Flipped Town

Dicetosser1 - Died Night1, Flipped Town

AJ - Leaning town

Tina/Ithi/??? - Leaning town

Tsuki - Leaning towards town because there are a lot of posts to go through but seems to be pointing out decent opinions and asking good questions.

Andrej Spam Master

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Nikon, BFG, Tsuki - All look pretty Town to me.

 

I would like to hear Turin's thoughts before I really start to go in that direction. Vote feels retaliatory for my interaction with Ithi earlier, if that's the case then - meh :dry:

 

RTE is looking a bit better.

 

Thane is quickly trending down.

 

Dawn/Thane lynches are fine by me for today.

Tsukibana Mentor

Tsukibana

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  On 5/5/2014 at 9:09 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 5/5/2014 at 9:01 PM, Tsukibana said:

Nikon, Nikon... sigh. You are being SO helpful, trying to vet other people... I have been fingering Thane and Dawn since Day One... why are you trying to clear him??

He was scummy before that... I'm really started to think I misunderstood casing people, if everyone else is gonna jump to their defense.

YOU are calling Thane's move to Ithit opportunistic, But you miss the fact that Ithi only voted Thane because he was sheeping on AJ's case against her...

Newscum vote switch often. I have spoken.

Who are you calling newscum here?

 

Thane - with his switching back and forth from Basel to Ithi to Basel to Me, with minimum explanations and a desire to jump on bandwagons (see: case on basel, case on Ithi, back to basel)

Nikonis Grand Master

Nikonis

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  On 5/5/2014 at 6:26 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

i think that even inexperienced players should know that discussing/talking about PR's openly in the thread would only help mafia. So it could be: 1) a really bad townmove or 2) a way to distract the doc to protect that player, and leave other players open for NK (like Tsuki mentioned)

 

..many options *nods*

Thane, I can understand why you might find this suspicious though going right to a VOTE without asking questions or reading my explanations to others who asked seems a bit off to me as well. I'm town but don't expect you to believe me and I still think you are the most likely suspect on my list. I did promise myself I'd take another look and try to see your side of things but if you still look scummy to me at the end of the day I won't fall for the trick again.

 

@Thane: You admit this could be a bad town-move but then vote me... Because you see me as a threat from my seeing through most of your shenanigans and actions towards you on day one or or do you actually see me as scum?

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dawnflower8

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  On 5/5/2014 at 8:03 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

Hope your son feels better Ithi!

 

Dawn, you aren't getting the benefit of the doubt anymore.

Giving me "the benefit of the doubt" on what? Me being new? I haven't once used that as an excuse in this game, and have been playing less newbie-ish than any other games I've played before. 

 

Also, you all followed me on the Basel lynch, so clearly you don't think I'm stupid. 

Turin Turambar Spam Master

Turin Turambar

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  On 5/5/2014 at 9:23 PM, Andrej said:

Hallia - did you just claim Vig?

Weren't you the one that dug into Nikon for pointing at Hallia earlier as the possible Vig? Why you demanding a claim from her now? 

 

 

Oh and I don't think that you really want to see me lay out my case but nice attempt to nullify my vote. I will get to it later today. 

Tsukibana Mentor

Tsukibana

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  On 5/5/2014 at 9:30 PM, Nikon said:

 

  On 5/5/2014 at 6:26 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

i think that even inexperienced players should know that discussing/talking about PR's openly in the thread would only help mafia. So it could be: 1) a really bad townmove or 2) a way to distract the doc to protect that player, and leave other players open for NK (like Tsuki mentioned)

 

..many options *nods*

Thane, I can understand why you might find this suspicious though going right to a VOTE without asking questions or reading my explanations to others who asked seems a bit off to me as well. I'm town but don't expect you to believe me and I still think you are the most likely suspect on my list. I did promise myself I'd take another look and try to see your side of things but if you still look scummy to me at the end of the day I won't fall for the trick again.

 

@Thane: You admit this could be a bad town-move but then vote me... Because you see me as a threat from my seeing through most of your shenanigans and actions towards you on day one or or do you actually see me as scum?

 

And AGAIN - Thane switches like a pissed off catholic mother...

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Lol - no one is nullifying your vote Turin. If you've got something to say, then say it. I'm innocent, which will be proven one way or the other.

 

:rolleyes: @ Hallia - you mention Yates and his strategy in the Red Wedding game of shooting from the lynch wagon of Townies. Chae was on the lynch wagon of a townie flip. How else am I supposed to read that?

 

Could easily put my vote back on Hallia. Pops in, gives no real commentary, then throws some dirt in my direction for asking her a direct question. SMH.

BFG Spam Master

BFG

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Ed, Um, sorry about the army.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So Ed was sort of present yesterday then disappeared since the Night. Think this is his thoughts and cases.

 

 

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At the end of Day 1 would have voted Basel, Thane or Dawn. He hasn't mentioned Basel on thread, but that would presumably have been consolidation. Thane is apparently due to a contradiction in his 'prodding' gamestyle, followed by a 'voting noob' comment? Dawn is apparently because she 'claimed' third party on thread?

 

I like that his reads follow his questions but don't like that his thoughts have apparently remained static, and want to know what he thinks of Day 2 so far.

BFG Spam Master

BFG

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TG

 

 

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TG hasn't been here, he hasn't posted since the joke phase of Day 1, yet his vote was the lead vote on Basel getting lynched.

Nikonis Grand Master

Nikonis

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  On 5/5/2014 at 9:01 PM, Tsukibana said:

Nikon, Nikon... sigh. You are being SO helpful, trying to vet other people... I have been fingering Thane and Dawn since Day One... why are you trying to clear him??

He was scummy before that... I'm really started to think I misunderstood casing people, if everyone else is gonna jump to their defense.

YOU are calling Thane's move to Ithit opportunistic, But you miss the fact that Ithi only voted Thane because he was sheeping on AJ's case against her...

Newscum vote switch often. I have spoken.

 

If you missed the "s I was quoting his words but let me find the actual post for all of you...

 

  On 5/1/2014 at 7:54 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

 

I knew that, when i posted against Ithi, that it would be considered as defending AJ. Looks bad, i know, but it was (for me) the only way to get my thoughts out there. And that's what i need to do in this game. That said, Ithi, i'm tired of telling you that i'm not here to defend AJ. If the defenders are scum, then maybe we should all vote Tsuki for helping you out, ey?

 

opportunistic voting in my direction brings you unvote vote Ithi

 

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Tsukibana

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Bloody brilliant - so he ADMITS everyone thinks he was defending AJ... so, as I said, he switched his vote in RETALIATION, rather than

because of a cogent arguement. Scum move, Nikon, scum move. He votes with minimal case, blows where the wind goes, and deflects poorly. NOW he's on you, and you want

to try to correct my case against him?? WTH, man?

Nikonis Grand Master

Nikonis

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  On 5/5/2014 at 10:27 PM, Tsukibana said:

Bloody brilliant - so he ADMITS everyone thinks he was defending AJ... so, as I said, he switched his vote in RETALIATION, rather than

because of a cogent arguement. Scum move, Nikon, scum move. He votes with minimal case, blows where the wind goes, and deflects poorly. NOW he's on you, and you want

to try to correct my case against him?? WTH, man?

:blink:  Did it sound like I was defending him???

He's been on my most suspected list the whole time... Granted I gave him a chance to redeem himself, which maybe I shouldn't have done since basel ended up flipping town, but even now I still suspect him and even stated earlier that if nothing comes up to make me assume otherwise he is my most likely suspect and I won't be giving him any more chances to prove himself.

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  On 5/5/2014 at 9:48 PM, BFG said:

Ed, Um, sorry about the army.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So Ed was sort of present yesterday then disappeared since the Night. Think this is his thoughts and cases.

 

 

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At the end of Day 1 would have voted Basel, Thane or Dawn. He hasn't mentioned Basel on thread, but that would presumably have been consolidation. Thane is apparently due to a contradiction in his 'prodding' gamestyle, followed by a 'voting noob' comment? Dawn is apparently because she 'claimed' third party on thread?

 

I like that his reads follow his questions but don't like that his thoughts have apparently remained static, and want to know what he thinks of Day 2 so far.

 

I didn't even claim third party, though. I was just getting very confused. 

BFG Spam Master

BFG

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Hallia

 

 

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Hallia's being very quiet. Her reads have been in response to a question being asked her, and have pretty much been town reads. She appears to mention Thane being scummy a few times, but is reluctant to vote him. Hasn't commented on the flips, or updated reads/questioned anyone...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Turin Turambar

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  On 5/1/2014 at 7:30 PM, Andrej said:

No Ithi, I don't think you would pretend that. It's also not something I'm going to debate with you.

 

You were asked for an explanation and other reads, instead you decided to leave. Regardless of whatever reason, it still doesn't look good.

 

 

 

 

  On 5/1/2014 at 7:09 PM, Ithillian said:

Clearly I think your Mafia hence my vote.

 

  On 5/1/2014 at 7:12 PM, Ithillian said:

Clearly I was aiming for reactions and I got them.

 

Suddenly you're not very clear.

 

Come again?

Teaser: Ithi's two statements are NOT mutually exclusive. It is a very good way to look for mafia. You pick a suspect vote them with no reason, and see what happens. There is even a name for it on DM: "Wombatting" 

 

The vote itself is the belief that you are mafia. The manner of the vote and the subsequent questioning of those that came to defend "the suspect" was the look for reactions. When you do this it is better to not give the reasons for the initial vote for as long as possible as once the "case" is made THEN the reactions are no longer valid. 

 

Also it should be noted that the answers given by both Dawn and Thane were very vague and not supported by any real evidence. I believe it was something along the lines of "his posts seemed pro town" but when preseed to explain how the posts were really pro town it got a bit quiet. The closest to a real explanation came from dawn in that she said AJ is giving "town cred" and explaining that something was scummy. That is merely taking charge of the on thread dialogue or "town-leading" and is done by mafia that think they can lead the town sheep. Quite possible in this game full of new people and a few with rust to shake off.

 

 

As far as the entire  "bounce" thing. C'mon mon. You better than that. 

 

 

AJ, what do you think about my take on Tina? 

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