[Advanced] Red Wedding Mafia - Post Game, MakersMark

[Sedai]

Yupp.

 

Consensus is nobody likes you.

Except you?

[Sedai]

Darthe can you post me a link to page 13

[Andrej]

 

With that, I must now go learn about sociology

 

Still cool with the Red wagon.

 

If nobody wants to lynch the claimed PR then I say we string up Yates. He's a VT anyway, right? lol

??

 

What is your question?

[Sedai]

ops that was suppose to be under this.

 

 

##Yates

why you parking your vote here.

##Vote Red

we've kinda moved past the joke phase so using that is odd. But you're new enough that i kinda buy it coming from you. Red seems to be gaining some pressure about her comment. Since your vote is there already, what do you think of it?

Why is there a problem with a vote on Yates?

 

Darthe could easily have given him a character claim. I'm actually feeling Yates to be a good vote from my skim through

[Andrej]

Just a cliff note. If red is mafia so is AJ book it

 

lol

[Andrej]

Would love to see you expound on that, Jack.

[Sedai]

Would love to see you expound on that, Jack.

In the most recent game that I've played with you you expanded on your overt love for early distancing. Your posts with red can be classified as distancing.

 

So I'm just saying. Your getting a little jumpy at the suggestion. Looks like i may have hit a nerve.

[Cory Caboose]

Jack_D calling me Mafia

 

this will end well

[Sedai]

Jack_D calling me Mafia

 

this will end well

You've played smooth. But I will go back and read on my way home tomorrow and analyze your half of the hydra.

[Cory Caboose]

Analyze the whole thread instead. Give me thoughts. You understand me better now - the more I have to work with the better I'll be able to do.

[Sedai]

Kk I'll go over it all tomorrow. Just wanted to give quick thoughts to let you all know I'm still here. Tomorrow I have most the day to read up

[dicetosser1]

yes darthe i know   rolls eyes    now that the memefest is over i will play too.

 

 

so far i am reading

 

cory/aj town

 

tommy town (thats unusual)

 

leaning town on dawn

 

question about hydras. Can one head be mafia and one head town?

[Nolder]

 

Red your reasoning for continuing to vote me makes approximately zero sense. You have an apparent scum suspect in Mish yet you are voting me "for reactions." The reactions you're getting are from probtownies who recognize this is my obvtown game.

 

Try again.

 

red - mutli taskign and casing multiple people is good.

 

you're reaction to a single vote is scummy.  you've done nothing scum hunting wise, you've only had cheerleading support for the case building on Mish, and you blatantly wagon a person with the longest train with no other reason than OMGUS and people are defending you.

 

to quote Hamlet's mother "the lady doth protest too much, me thinks,"

 

blue - the only perosn i trust in this game is myself.

 

pink - meta isn't a good defense and i dont buy it, nor do i use it to determine the scumminess ot towness of a person. 

 

green - nah i'm good.

 

Just a PSA to anyone who's not Red (since I know Red will never give it up).

I will not read posts that go full rainbow. Never go full rainbow.

[Andrej]

 

Just wanna say that I am going to enjoy this game immensely. Now onto MQs:

 

 

 

 

 

 

how were these replys bad timing?  they were like a few posts after the post i was responding to.  are you expecting me to be some mind reading Jedi and respond to scummy posts before their made?  do i look like Marty mcFly with a time machine?

 

as for Mish, its called Multi-tasking.  she had enough pressure from others that me pointing out the scumm post was enough pressure from me for the time.  

 

and who said my vote on Tom was a joke *raises eyebrow*  there is a character in this series called "The Goat" and his is most assuredly scum in any ASoF&I game his in.  anyone claiming to be that character is scum imo and is auto-lynch.  unless you want to aruge that the Goat is some anti-hero like snape, in which case i'd argue that Joff had more chance of being a good guy that the Goat does.

 

You are missing the points I was making. Mynd comes in and immediately calls down on Mish for her post. I find how you immediately turn your attention to Tom after this sequence was badly timed. IE: you were shifting the focus away from Mish and towards Tom for something insignificant. It's called Chainsaw Defense. This idea was further reinforced when you made that post above with the meme in it calling Mish scum but continue keeping your vote on Tom for something that should be at the very least 100% null, especially now that it has been explained SEVERAL times what it really means and why he was saying it. This is called Distancing.

 

 

Who are you going to vote for?

 

currently i'm voting for you.  it interesting seeing how AJ came to your defense and others latchign onto his assumption that my vote was a joke.  its also fun watchign you squirm with a single vote on you. 

 

i may just leave it for shits and grins

 

Just all around terrible. For one, I didn't assume your vote was a joke. I said the tone of it was jokey, which bothered me, considering the seriousness of Mynd's post a few before there where he was legitimately casing someone and then you turned attention to Tom.

 

So you're saying you are going to leave your vote on Tom although it has been explained what the meaning of GOAT was? Even though you think Mish could be mafia based on the post YOU made as well as other people's arguments against her?

 

 

red - my style is similar to Mynd's, theres nothing i could do more than echo and parrot what Mynd is saying and doing.  Mynds a big boy, his cases and pressure on someone can stand on their own and i'm not really keen to be budding up to him when i dont know his alignement.

 

i showed my support to her being called out by pointing out what i found scummy and why.  that was suffecient enough.

 

theres no reason why we shoudl focus on one person, so instead of just having one case out there, i went looking elsewhere.  do you have a problem with multiple cases and trains goign at once?  this game is big enough that we shoudl have 3 or 4 trains goign at once imo.

 

blue - you out right called my vote on him a joke AJ.  your arguing semantics and splitting straws trying to say calling my vote reason jokey wasn't callign it a joke vote.  if you belive the reason behind a vote was jokey, you're calling the vote a joke vote.

 

Mynds post wasn't serious.  he was tryign to reactions.  you've obviously never played with Mynd or you'd knwo his style.  tbh, he wasn't even digging at Mish in that post, he was seeing how others would react.  Mish's reaction was scummy so it was a double bonus reaction wise.  but this is typical mydn style.    where do you think i learned it from *grins at mynd*

 

 

 

1. Explain to me how you think you would be buddying Mynd by agreeing with his case. Through extension, aren't we all buddying to achieve majority? If you thought his case was compelling, why not follow it?

 

2. Your support was lacking with no vote to follow it, that's my point. You can still spread pressure and look in other directions while voting someone that you believe to be mafia.

 

3. Joke vote or not, it was still badly justified and timed. Firstly, if it were a joke I don't see why you would make it at that time considering the game was actually beginning to pick up. Secondly, if it were a serious vote, why would you believe someone would openly claim scum on thread? In the end it would turn into a big case of WIFOM, and not one I would find necessarily compelling to lynch over. I think you'd have a hard time getting 9 others to vote with you for something that Tom and others do on a regular basis (I am allowing a little leeway here because I don't expect you knew that prior to this). In essence you would be wasting your vote.

 

4. How do you know Mynd's post wasn't serious? I believe it was you earlier who said you take things on thread at face value, so why are you now applying assumptions to Mynd's intent with his casing and vote on Mish? Furthermore, you're also assuming that I have never played with Mynd. He and I got quite intimate in our most recent game together (which is still ongoing currently)

 

the vote itself and the reactions to the vote are independent.  the defense of tom started before i had a chance to explain my vote as people saw AJ calling it a joke vote and assumed thats what it was.

 

as for not voting Mish, a few reasons.

 

- reactions i'm getting from my current vote

-  deadline is far enough off, so no real reason to move my vote imo. 

- moving my vote would be seen more like trying to cover my ass than apply pressure on Mish,

- we need more than just two trains and two cases (if you could call the case agaisnt me a case) going on, i'd really like to see a third train tbh and a few more cases.

 

but i get your point womby and heres a question for you.  why do you still have your vote on me considering your intital vote was a reaction test?   (n/m i sa where you changed yer vote,  yay for the vote thingy deciding to work today.  )why aren't you also casing Mish and others?  why are you defending Dawn?   

 

Tbh, I really don't care who you voted for or for what reasons. My main point was how you immediately started a counter wagon to Mish's once Mynd made what I thought was a pretty good point. The fact that you voted Tom over something completely null is just icing on the cake. You see?

 

2nd bold: Interesting that you'd be more concerned about this than lynching someone you called mafia earlier. Do you think Mish is likely scum, yes or no?

 

green -

 

1. i never said i thought his case on Mish was compelling, infact i responded to his case with this

 

 

 

 

 

Misused memes *shudder*

 

 

Much easier to look over 12 pages of jokes right before bedtime, than serious game.

 

Seriously though....why did you have to explain your apparent "joke post"?  It has been my experience that mafia tend to OVER-explain things, including why they are posting some random picture that kinda-sorta has to do with the Red Wedding.  Its like you are ready to jump on a bandwagon but there are no bandwagons to jump on yet.

 

Misheru = Scum

 

 

 

here ya go Mynd, got this for you

 

 

 

 

which is a running joke about Mynd liking to "beat the grass to startle the snakes".  its his Meta, has been for many years and he rocks at doing it.

 

as for why people would acuse me of budying up to him (or team work on lynching Mish if she flips town)  because we both started going after her for the same things at the same time.

 

add in the below interaction and the building for framing on linkage is there.  Mynd is more than capable os appling pressure on people, more capable than myself and my style is simlar (albeit not near as good) as his.  i felt it best to seperate myself from Mynd being Mynd, so that i didn't get linked to him or framed by him (depending on his alignment)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey Red, guess what?  Misheru thinks you and I are pressuring her now.    We are being too aggressive.  We should calm down.  

 

 

 too agressive?  us ...  never

 

 

 

 

2. you dont always need to vote someone to pressure them.  nor do you need to vote someone to case them.  and you dont need to vote someone to support the pressure your putting on a person.  pressure is used to figure stuff out in thte game, voting is because you think someone is scum. and townies are known to do scummy things, the only thing i had made up in my mind was that Mish's post was scummy, i didn't have enough information yet to make a call on if i thought she was scumm town or scummy mafia.

 

 

3. mutliple trains are a good thing, so i dont get why the timing of my vote matter all that much in this instance.  and one vote hardly constitutes as a wagon, both Tom and Mish had one vote at that point.  the only reason people are claiming its a distraction is because so little game wise has happened.  we have a 30 page game and 20 pages of it are spam.  how is my  single vote any more of a distraction that the "Lucid Dreaming" convo that happened in the middle of the Mish pressure?  if you're so caught up in people distracting from Mish, why pull some pressure on peopel who haven't said anythign abotu the Mish case or are discussing things other than the Mish case?  as for "its what they normally do" meta is a sorry excuse to ignore things and allows for scum to use their meta to hide under.  i dont buy the meta defense.

 

 

4. as to why i claim he wasn't being serious in his initial case on Mish. as i said, its his typical meta and then there is the 2nd interaction i spoiler tagged.  that post from Mynd said to me "Yeah your right in what your asuming by giving me a bigger stick".  

 

 

purple - oh so we can only have one train and one scum hunting pressure case goign on at a time.  we can't multi-wask in this game with mutiple people being pressureed atthe same time and multiple trains *nods* got it *eyeroll*

 

 

purple 2nd bolded - yeah its a damned it you do, damned if you dont scenario i'm in.  i had pressure on me already, why make a move that woudl just add more pressure? 

 

1. Okay - so you didn't find the Mynd case compelling on Mish, fair enough. What I have trouble reconciling was how you made a post regarding one of Mish's that came in response to Mynd's case, in which you go as far as to make a meme about calling her mafia and that she was going to get lynched. Also, you continue putting out these scenarios ahead of time in which you are concerned with how your interaction will look posthumously. I don't think that lends to a townie mindset. I can see how there might be some concern that you kept to yourself in event that at a later stage of the game you were cased for these types of interactions, but I think your worry over them is premature and you seem to be thinking heavily on how your words and actions will be interpreted by others. Your main goal should be to find scum and kill them.

 

2. I can agree that voting isn't necessarily the only way to case or add pressure, that said, it is usually the most effective way of doing it as a townie. Your vote is pretty much the only power you have unless you are rolled somehow. You seemed rather confident with your read at the time to go as far as making a meme for it, so again, the lack of your vote to back it doesn't look genuine.

 

3. 1 vote may not fit your definition of what a wagon is, but 1 vote is all that is needed to give momentum in a certain direction. As I said, I find the timing of your switch and the reason behind it to be odd with how Mish suddenly came under fire.

 

4. I think you should probably allow Mynd to clarify that before assuming. In the point before this you are saying how you don't like meta defense, but you are downplaying Mynd's case as meta.

 

Purple stuff: When did I ever say that? lol I'm all for multiple cases to weigh with accompanying counter wagons. I'm taking this as you saying that you think your case on Tom was a legitimate one. You have also said that people are assuming it was joke, including myself, so perhaps you could clarify. Was your vote legit or joke? What exactly is your case on Tom? Why are you still voting him now that your original reasoning has been disproven?

 

Again, with the damned if you do damned if you don't think - you called Mish mafia. Why are you concerned with how you moving your vote to someone you think is mafia will be viewed negatively? Admittedly, yes, it certainly wouldn't help my picture of you but your concern here is really troubling me.

[Andrej]

 

Would love to see you expound on that, Jack.

In the most recent game that I've played with you you expanded on your overt love for early distancing. Your posts with red can be classified as distancing.

 

So I'm just saying. Your getting a little jumpy at the suggestion. Looks like i may have hit a nerve.

 

That's true, no denying that. And okay - so you think Red and I are distancing, valid enough point based on your view of my meta.

 

Hit a nerve? Nah I just thought the suggestion was hilarious.

[Myndrunner]

 

I'm gonna need you to explain this a bit further. Why the switch from Red to Mishtress? Quotes are explanations would work best for me, thx.

 

 

Because Cloud's case is good.  Mish changed her story to suit her fake active purposes.  First, she was too tired to catch up, but then she wasn't.

 

Red is definitely scummy imo, but a lot of the things she's taking heat for are things she does as town too.  For instance, the whole argument with Yates is irrelevant.  It's something Red would have done as town or scum imo.  She picks little things and doesn't let them go.

 

I don't like Red's claim at all, but I don't think we should just let Mishtress slide by either.

 

^ THIS!

 

If this is still the Red I know, then she likes to swing from the feces fences especially when vanilla town.

 

Gonna eat my chilli cheese fries while catching up.  I have a feeling that one of the mafia have already revealed themselves with their own posts.

[Andrej]

question about hydras. Can one head be mafia and one head town?

 

No. Hydras don't work like Lover pairs do.

 

We share a vote, alignment, and a life. We function very much like a Mason/Lover pair in that we are able to communicate outside of the game, but ultimately we are one slot.

[dawnflower8]

Also, I think you guys are a bit too harsh on Dawn atm.  She rolled mafia her first two games, so her town game probably isn't that developed yet.  She's a quick learner, but I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt atm.

Well, thanks for defending me, but people aren't actually being that harsh on me. Nobody has actually voted for me...

 

Harsh? I just think like most young people she is fairly bad at hiding her alignment

 

Which is great if she's town, as it makes things easier for POE

 

But her tone, aversion of overall attention and hyper-intensity to her perception early all scream she's awkward Mafia feeling a bit lost in the thread

 

Town!Dawn would have engaged me or Tommy seriously by now instead of hoping it blows over

I'm just an awkward person in general though, not just in mafia games. You shouldn't judge me by "awkwardness."

 

Even though you are correct on one thing - I am getting completely lost in this thread...so many memes and randomness everywhere. 

 

 

The things I said

 

Dawn would be getting more defensive as town and much less deliberate imho

 

Maybe.  Either way, more content from Dawn would be illuminating.

 

I do have school, you know. I'm way to busy to be playing mafia 24/7.

 

yes darthe i know   rolls eyes    now that the memefest is over i will play too.

 

 

so far i am reading

 

cory/aj town

 

tommy town (thats unusual)

 

leaning town on dawn

 

question about hydras. Can one head be mafia and one head town?

Why are you leaning town on me? What about me seems particularly town? Most of my posts have just been me talking about how clueless I am at the current point of this game or complaining about grammar...not much you could get either a scum or town read for.

 

 

 

Honestly, I don't see how anyone can have either a scum or town read on me at this point.

[Nolder]

I'm SmallJon Umber and i'm a bodygaurd.

Well we have no one for you to BG for and if we let you go and you're legit you'll most likely be dead tonight anyway.

I think I'd rather lynch you and test the claim than let you walk. Besides, I think it's BS anyway.

You've been flailing ever since Tom got on your case.

 

Keeping my vote where it is.

[dicetosser1]

only thing stopping me voting Red is her claim and what i found about the character when i googled it.

 

Not like Mish's "why arnt people looking at Tress thing" but if she was mafia     and cant be a lone mafia head   then it makes no sense to point out tress like that

 

 

@Dawn  cause its what i believe based on having seen you in a few games now. Its called Meta. This behaviour has been fairly consistant for you so far. you were different in the witches game which is why u got caught fast.

 

Also those are ALL up for constant evaluation.if i catch a tommy mafia sign i will be straight on him for example.

[dicetosser1]

AORN I think Red > Dawn >> Mish

 

I havent seen this one before?  wanna explain tommy?

[dicetosser1]

 

I'm SmallJon Umber and i'm a bodygaurd.

Well we have no one for you to BG for and if we let you go and you're legit you'll most likely be dead tonight anyway.

I think I'd rather lynch you and test the claim than let you walk. Besides, I think it's BS anyway.

You've been flailing ever since Tom got on your case.

 

Keeping my vote where it is.

 

 

 

 

nol  plz explain the bolded.

[Songstress]

Also, very shortly after I pointed out the hypocrisy in Mish basing a scum read on Des on a meta read from a tiny sample, Tress came with her trumped up case on me. That reads completely disingenuous to me. It's like they realized on their QT that I had a good point against Mish and then they had to rush to get a case on me. But they used Tress to make the case because she's been taking heat for low content. But her case was bad anyway.

Please darlin'.

 

I wasn't casing. You've seen me case. You'll know when I'm actually casing.

 

I was throwing a few reads out there before I had to leave for work (and was 10 minutes late because of it) and didn't have time to get into detail.

 

Still at work, so my time and internet access is limited.

 

I'm not particularly "rustled" as the cool kids say at the thought of being the D1 lynch. Someone has to be, after all, and it won't hurt my feelings if it's me.

 

Still think you're mafia, and if it will give you the warm fuzzies I'll get into details later.

[Nolder]

Attention!  I need these players to post more.  Having to kill this many people or replace them would hurt the game.  Please attempt to post more often.

 

 

amegakure 14 Nolder 14 _CLOUD 14 Misheru 10 Despothera 6 Xthrax 6 TinaHel 4 Krakalakachkn 3 Zanube 2

dicetosser1

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Jack_D                                                                                  0

I'm on the low end?

Damn, sorry. I'll try to pick it up.

[Nolder]

 

 

I'm SmallJon Umber and i'm a bodygaurd.

Well we have no one for you to BG for and if we let you go and you're legit you'll most likely be dead tonight anyway.

I think I'd rather lynch you and test the claim than let you walk. Besides, I think it's BS anyway.

You've been flailing ever since Tom got on your case.

 

Keeping my vote where it is.

 

 

nol  plz explain the bolded.

 

She's claiming BG. Who are we going to have her protect? Yates? lol

Her role, even if it's real, is pretty much useless right now. 

I'm more ok with losing a BG on day one more than I am letting scum get away.