[Advanced] Red Wedding Mafia - Post Game, MakersMark

[Xthrax]

I'm sorry X

 

I'm sorry you don't like me

 

Glup the Doctor.  You would have convinced me better with Matt

[Lenlo]

 

 

Tyrion was not at the Red Wedding, but did disagree with Tywin about it at some point.

 

I'm 95% sure Verbal is lying, regardless. The Mafia have fakeclaims.

He disagree with killing someone at a wedding.

 

Personally im ignoring character claims. They are meaningless and are to easily faked cause of the amount of characters in GoT.

 

 

This is good. I need more from you.

 

Only cause you asked nicely. Ive actually been out of it for the past few days cause ive been dealing with a crazy professor that for some reason thinks I cheated on a test, because did better on this one than the last one. Lots o stress from that.

[Cory Caboose]

I appreciate it, for real.

[Lenlo]

Yeah. Fighting someone who really wants to put you on a form of academic suspension kinda messes with you ya know?

 

Tomorrow im gonna ask him if I can just retake the test in his office, him watching me the entire time, just so I can prove I didnt. If it goes to the Honor Council im sure id win but that amount of work/time that would take from me is ludicrous.

 

 

 

 

[Sedai]

Don't be "fairly confident" - if I'm not town, I'm a terrible player. Do you think I am a terrible player?

 

If I get the opportunity to live and you have NO STRONG READS that you can explain, I would highly recommend you sheep me for the rest of the time I am alive.

I do not mean to sound egotistic. I'm not afraid of being wrong and am willing to take the responsibility of where this game goes for town.

 

But TL guys know that "80% of Mafia is sheeping the right people" - right now, I am the right people.

 

Lock me in and move on elsewhere.

I have confident reads. And have you in the town pile. I also pegged cloud as mafia. If verb is telling the truth that would have been one for me. Fairly confident is as good as your getting. Like I said though. I'm viewing you as town and moving from there.

 

Cloud

Red

Lenlo

Tommy

 

Are my top 4 for scum.

 

Tommy for his gross case and the desbat kill

Red for her role claim

Lenlo for lack of game play

Cloud for earlier case, coupled with verbs claim and your read.

[Cory Caboose]

Verbal has a viewing and you are not even going to consider the possibility that he's lying to the point where he isn't in your Top 4?

 

[Sedai]

Verbal has a viewing and you are not even going to consider the possibility that he's lying to the point where he isn't in your Top 4?

 

That's my top 4 for reasons stated. There's a possibility for him to be lying. But there's not enough grounds for him to be in my top 4.

 

Gun to my head. I'd shoot red. However Leelou spewing me and Lenlo seems pretty obvious she was going for Wifom as well. so since I know I'm town that makes Lenlo extra shady.

[Lenlo]

 

Verbal has a viewing and you are not even going to consider the possibility that he's lying to the point where he isn't in your Top 4?

 

That's my top 4 for reasons stated. There's a possibility for him to be lying. But there's not enough grounds for him to be in my top 4.

 

Gun to my head. I'd shoot red. However Leelou spewing me and Lenlo seems pretty obvious she was going for Wifom as well. so since I know I'm town that makes Lenlo extra shady.

 

Im pretty sure thats not how that works, but ok.

[dicetosser1]

Do I really have to elaborate? Cuz I'm the best scum on DM xD

 

 

 

If scum continues the trend of being timid and consensus-y, Dice and Lenlo both come squarely into POE.

Again your basing this off of nothing friend.

 

 

what?? your saying im going with concensus??  seriously??  shakes head

 

I think Tom is scum. I'll say it plainly, which </3 hurts. The suggestion of lynching other than guilty views is very scummy and something I've done as mafia myself. We lynch Lee & Verb to knock down their numbers THEN we can POE. As it is we can afford one more mislynch, I'm not comfortable stringing up anyone else then outed scum for now.

 

We case and dig. Look for spew. I want lists from everyone for who they think are the last 3 and most importantly WHY.

 

Lee calling Cloud scum and him bouncing from thread is terribad. I was chatting with Cory yesterday that I couldn't tell if Lee was pushing a mislynch or distancing since Cloud was in no real threat of getting lynched.

 

Dawn/Tom/Cloud are the last 3 IMO.

 

ScumDice doesn't go on the attack, especially not against Top Tier Tom. When he starts tunneling like this it's a town tell.

 

claps. About bloody time!

 

People aren't going to vote me becuase I'M AN OUTED COP WITH TWO SCUM RESULTS.

 

is your scumgroup trying to get you to derp yourself clear? ^.^

Cory step back dude i truly think she does not understand.

 

Dawn  you and i are currently in 2 games together, when thats over we're gonna have a mafia chat if u want.

[dawnflower8]

 

Do I really have to elaborate? Cuz I'm the best scum on DM xD

 

 

 

If scum continues the trend of being timid and consensus-y, Dice and Lenlo both come squarely into POE.

Again your basing this off of nothing friend.

 

 

what?? your saying im going with concensus??  seriously??  shakes head

 

I think Tom is scum. I'll say it plainly, which </3 hurts. The suggestion of lynching other than guilty views is very scummy and something I've done as mafia myself. We lynch Lee & Verb to knock down their numbers THEN we can POE. As it is we can afford one more mislynch, I'm not comfortable stringing up anyone else then outed scum for now.

 

We case and dig. Look for spew. I want lists from everyone for who they think are the last 3 and most importantly WHY.

 

Lee calling Cloud scum and him bouncing from thread is terribad. I was chatting with Cory yesterday that I couldn't tell if Lee was pushing a mislynch or distancing since Cloud was in no real threat of getting lynched.

 

Dawn/Tom/Cloud are the last 3 IMO.

 

ScumDice doesn't go on the attack, especially not against Top Tier Tom. When he starts tunneling like this it's a town tell.

 

claps. About bloody time!

 

People aren't going to vote me becuase I'M AN OUTED COP WITH TWO SCUM RESULTS.

 

is your scumgroup trying to get you to derp yourself clear? ^.^

Cory step back dude i truly think she does not understand.

 

Dawn  you and i are currently in 2 games together, when thats over we're gonna have a mafia chat if u want.

 

A "mafia chat" about what?

[dicetosser1]

So cory wants more thoughts. So someone explain to me why we didnt lynch megaloud? That would have possibly cleared 2 people and lynched a scum. Worse case we would lose a  townie, bust verbal and vet cory.

 

Seems you were all too gung ho to lynch leelou to really think about it to me.

[dicetosser1]

as in a hopefully helpful chat that may help you get better at this game.

 

If you dont wanna thats fine, just say so and i will let it go

[dicetosser1]

and dawn i apologise. I did not word that a suggestion. my bad.

[Darthe]

Oh hell, I should have said this before.  

 

Since this game has gotten smaller I have considered shortening day and night.  The plan is that starting this next day deadlines will be 48 hours.  Nights will be 24 still (12 minimum if all actions are received early).  

 

If anyone has an issue with this please PM me.  It is meant to promote gameplay urgency and decrease stagnation.

[Andrej]

Hello once again Earthlings.

 

Incoming MQ.

 

Just wanna say that to whoever is the VIG: YOU SHOULD PROBABLY NOT SHOOT TONIGHT. WE ARE NOT AWARE OF WHAT ROLES THE SCUM TEAM IS EQUIPPED WITH SO DO NOT GRANT THEM A FREE KILL IN THE EVENT THEY ARE ABLE TO CHANGE TARGETS.

 

I realize that the percentage of them choosing the Vig's target is small, but I DO NOT WANT TO GIVE THEM EVEN THE SLIGHTEST ADVANTAGE TO POTENTIALLY GRANT AN EXTRA NK. NAMELY KILLING ME AND CORY. FORCE THEM TO GIVE US INFORMATION WITH WHO THEY PICK TO ELIMINATE.

 

Be smart and choose wisely. We have them on the ropes so we must keep them there. Let's finish this game during the Day by coming to a consensus and lynching them one by one like a strong and coordinated Town should. We are close to solving.

[Andrej]

Why so secretive?

 

Should be obvious at this point. FTR - still think you're scum. I asked you rather pointedly earlier if you thought I was scum for a very specific reason. I'm sure you've seen me preach before about internalized guilt and innocence. In this case, based on the way you were dismissing my 'cases' on you, I think you would've began to doubt your town read on me. Instead, you remain solid. To me this indicates that you already know I am town and therefore would rather avoid direct conflict, especially considering how we were more or less a consensus clear.

 

Dice looks town and X more likely scum for his focus on outliers.  His push on Mish was only after she attacked him and was pretty much OMGUS.  Honestly can't tell if he's scum or derptown but I'm leaning scum.  Not my strongest lean, but a lean nonetheless.

 

I thought the same about X with his focus on Mish D1, that it was quite possible conf-bias since she voted him after catching heat. His focus on Mynd D2 also gave me pause and the feeling that he was sliding onto the largest wagons at the time. That said, I think X's casings have been pretty genuine. I wouldn't call him clear yet, but I don't have him very high on my mafia list either.

 

The second night was when the whole North really went to hell.  Aye, I can remember watching them plot, sneakin about like vandals.  I can tell you right now that Lord Frey didn't have his fingers on the right people when this one hit the fan.  Heh.  Do you know what these bafoons thought would solve all of their problems?  Killing.  Well, I suppose they weren't wrong.  They just didn't know how to do it proper.

 

Yates - Tytos Blackwood, Town Vanilla has been killed.

 

It is now day.  With 13 alive it takes 8 to lynch.  

 

Hey Yates - ILY.

RIP <3

 

Yates is god.

 

 

##VOTE HALLEELOUJAH

 

lol

 

Bus harder broseph.

 

I'm thinking Lenlo is scum now btw, I decided the cop was either him or you since you were both overly confident about me. He's not the cop he should die.

 

Mmm... I disagree. I've talked about this in length in my Hydrachat. I did several ISOs last Night while Cory and I were deciding who to view. Len was one of those ISOs. Although he has FOS'd some now vetted townies, his catch-up posts and subsequent reads lists were always consistent with what he found and pointed out ITT. I feel pretty confidently Len is town.

 

Nyn, thank you for giving Leelou a nice good FoS yesterday. Me and AJ were waiting for ANYTHING that we could learn from having them alive for another day and looking extremely town. Them to say anything, anyone to say anything to them, lol, but the thread was like molasses.

 

Echoing this. I was literally debating between viewing you, Verb and Tom last Night. I was leaning more towards you because looking at your post count and those you have focused on made me pretty suspect. But, right as I was deliberating you started to case Leelou very thoroughly, someone who wasn't under very much suspicion in the thread and who we already knew as LOCKSCUM. Well done. Looking forward to our date

 

So there was only one death last night with a coroner. And not a second no coroner kill. Anyone care to game what that means?

 

That basically tells me Nolder was the mafia kill and desbat was shot by someone else.

 

I disagree. I think maf NK'd Desbat because

 

1) they were a power-town Hydra

2) scum were hoping to nail a PR that they could later claim to save their skin (hence the janitor)

3) they FOS'd Leelou rather strongly for her slip on Red before anyone else really started looking in HalLee's direction

 

 

Kathleen, Nyn, what color corsages?

 

Purple  <3

 

 

 

 

Nyn

 

Nice choice

 

The color of royalty. Did you know?

 

I think Tina might be spewing Krak scum there, but that's level 3. I'm not sure what level her spew is usually at. It's one of those soft "oh hey, later I can say I was suspicious of him when he flips" comments.

 

Again, disagree. Krak seems pretty genuine now that he's posting regularly. He's also been heavily FOS'd by Leelou prior to our reveal. Additionally, you and Verb's 'good find' on my nugget that Amega had potentially scum spewed him makes me wary.

 

If scum continues the trend of being timid and consensus-y, Dice and Lenlo both come squarely into POE.

 

 

 

Lol scum u mad?

 

 

why are we alive?

 

Lol idk. Scum b mad tho.

 

##Vote Dice

 

He's not town.

 

 

YOLO GUESS

 

Hallee/Leelou, Verbalina, Dawn, Dice, Lenlo

 

BOOK IT

 

Tom, MegaLoud.

 

FTFY

 

 

YOLO GUESS

 

Hallee/Leelou, Verbalina, Dawn, Dice, Lenlo

 

BOOK IT

 

You think Megaloud and X are less likely to be the remaining two scum?

 

 

 

 

Nyn

 

X - I would say less likely.

 

Cloud - Very likely.

 

So would it have been janitored? Where does that leave red. I'm not buying her BG claim with what we know about Mynd having a gimped healer role.

 

Actually I think seeing how Mynd was a gimped protective role lends to credibility of others. Having gimped healers + full Docs is OP IMO.

 

We have 2 scum found, but I'm not one of them.

 

Tina & I are Tyrion Lannister, Town Bus Driver.  I agreed with the suspicion on Cloud, and I bus drove myself with him.

 

Cory, what you've viewed is Cloud's alignment, not mine.

 

##Vote: Megaloud

 

Yeah, definitely not buying.

 

Big issue: You assumed that you would be viewed/vigged over Cloud, who in this post you say that you agreed with the suspicion on. In my mind this would make Cloud the more likely investigation/vig target, so if you really did BD him, it would make him view as Town if that was your alignment or you take the bullet meant for him. Why would you do this?

 

Please explain this to me in depth, step by step, how you found this to be a logical usage of your NA.

 

 

It was between you verb and Nyn last night. Once Nyn started casing Lee we dropped her.

 

I was more sure about Verb than you, so we went there.

 

Verb - I'm not buying. Why swap him with yourself? Why aren't you voting Lee instead?

 

Simple - I believe you guys based on my night actions.  I know Cloud is scum.  So we lynch him, which confirms I'm telling the truth.  Then we lynch Leelou.  Or the other way around, that's fine.  But I don't want a hasty vig taking me out before I can prove myself.  That's why I suggest Cloud first.

 

This kind of posts more or less confirms Cloud as scum to me. Looks like weak bus attempt to try and 'vet' yourself by giving up one of your other scumbuds.

 

Tell you what Verb - since you can drive as you claim, swap us with you tonight. You're likely to get lynched anyway come tomorrow, and with this NAR it will change the likely NK in our direction to your slot. Both vetting you and keeping the Cop alive. This is essentially the most important function of a Town Bus Driver. Capiche?

 

For anyone wondering what a Bus Driver is, click the link.

 

I kinda believe Verb. It explains why he's been laying low if he has a power that can change the world. It would mean Cloud is scum after all, which is sad, but between Amega and Cloud's quips at me I think that spews me clear, so not so sad.

 

Yeah, not digging how you are trying to pseudo clear yourself via a Cloud lynch. I still believe they are scum and you guys are now just gambiting to 'clear' the rest of your team.

 

Why would Leelou would try to single-handedly start a train on megacloud? seems a bit overkill for distancing.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

It's all about posturing. Cloud was never in real danger of being lynched yesterday, so by Leelou putting a placeholder vote there while the Mynd train took off it would make her look better in a later part of the game when/if Cloud turned up dead and showed as scum.

 

Tyrion is totally a better lover than Robb hands down. 

 

</3

 

Crap.  Cory, your plan is not good for tonight.  I can't target the same 2 people on consecutive nights.  We vet my role by lynching Cloud tomorrow.

 

lol. Like I said, swap us with you tonight. Worst case, you die. Best case, you take our protect and stuff the NK. You're probably getting lynched tomorrow anyway, so - YOLO.

 

HOW DARE YOU ROBB STARK, (knocks us up and leaves us behind.)

 

 

Still <3 u San Diego buddy.

 

Red should at least share her night targets to this point.

 

I agree with this. RED????

 

Halleeloujah - Jeyne Westerling, Mafia Goon has been lynched.

 

[Lenlo]

Your gifs... are they having performance anxiety?

[Andrej]

Nyn - Overall very consistent play. I was beginning to tinfoil on her last Night because of her chosen targets D1&D2, but her hard casing of HalLee who was generally coasting by makes me confident these ladies are town. And CrayJay's new love interest

 

Red - Heavily town spewed by HalLee. Her style of play I would consider very detrimental to her wincon if she is Town, but there's nothing I can really do about that. Hopefully she'll make the right decision and keep us safe.

 

Len - Genuine and consistent posting throughout the game. Has had to catch up quite often and jokes in real time, but his MQs and subsequent read lists match what he has to point out and how they affect his view on players.

 

Dice - Pretty much one of the most misunderstood and scummy town players. His aggression towards Tom is a good sign though, as I've seen it directed my way before when I was scum and him town. Tunneling Dice is a towntell. Scum!Dice doesn't attack, lurks hard, and only posts to defend himself.

 

Krak - Seems pretty genuine. Him being absent most of the game is null IMO, pretty typical as I think he leads a busy life. This read is mostly circumstantial based on how interaction of several of my scum reads revolving around him. Leelou going @ him hard this past Night phase, Cloud hard defending, Verb/Tom FOS and agreeing for my potential 'find'

 

Jack - Pretty much on meta. A lot of his posts read as scummy but that's Jack for you. His meta read of me involving Red was legitimate and more premature than anything.

 

X - Been putting in a lot of effort, which bodes well. Rather inexperienced so I think as scum he would lurk much more and not be so open with his opinions.

 

Tom - Pretty much gut. Cory still wants to give him the benefit of the doubt but I have seen enough IMO. I don't think a townTom would agree so easily with some of the things I have pointed out. He seems much too amenable for a player of his level. It reminds me very much of how he acted towards me in the House Mafia game where I was NK'd N1 after he buddied me pretty heavily all D1. I also dislike his wild diversion of attention to other players who I would consider easy mislynches now that we have revealed and dropped the heavy on the scum team. The suggestion of lynching other than guilty views is also extremely scummy, I don't care what kind of justification you use for it.

 

MegaLoud - Scummy in general. Added bonus was Cloud's lack of OMGUS and Leelou's (what I perceive as) distancing. Also looks like he's being offered up by the other scummers to 'clear' them.

 

Dawn - Cory pegged this D1. Getting any sort of traction on her wagon has been futile, which is telling with how quickly some of the other players have been ran up (think Red/Mynd). Getting a read from her posts alone is nearly impossible outside of the complete lack of content, but the way others have treated her that is extremely telling. Verb soft defended her and Leelou was treating her with kiddy gloves.

 

Verbalina - Not buying the Bus Driver claim whatsoever. I thought Tina looked pretty scummy with how she slid onto the Red wagon D1 (I kept this quiet intentionally) and they have generally been AWOL most of the game. The biggest ping I noticed once we got the guilty on Leelou was the general lack of interaction between the two. Verb and Leelou never avoid each other in games, this was a big tell.

 

 

 

Lynch from the bottom up and I think we'll wrap this up pretty quickly. Depending on what type of role Verb flips with, I would say that using our NAs the following Night should be safe again. For now though, holstering is probably a safe bet to avoid the potential of being tampered with. ***UNLESS YOU ARE A PROTECTION ROLE OF COURSE***

 

Cory and I are probably goners so don't blow this!

[Andrej]

Your gifs... are they having performance anxiety?

 

Que?

[Lenlo]

Your gifs are all "For the best reaction gifs go to REACTIONGIFS.COM"

[Andrej]

Hmmm... reload your browser? They work fine for me.

[Andrej]

Actually - now that I think about it... stay away from me Verb.

 

Scum/Vig could just shoot you and then bam, we're still dead.

 

So yeah - explain to me thoroughly as to why you chose to BD Cloud with yourself in a satisfactory manner and I MIGHT reconsider the guilty view.

[Andrej]

Len - Your opinions on my reads would be appreciated.

 

Where do you think I am wrong? Who would you change/why?

[Andrej]

 

I would like to lynch Krak so we can see if the Amega-Cloud-Krak connection merits follow up.

 

If Krak flips town, how would that affect your view? I'm pretty confident that Cloud is scum here. His hard defense of Krak could just be a pocketing attempt.

 

Hey Tom - you never answered this.

[Nynaeve]

The order of the quotes got a bit jumbled, but it's not really that important.

 

 

So there was only one death last night with a coroner. And not a second no coroner kill. Anyone care to game what that means?

That basically tells me Nolder was the mafia kill and desbat was shot by someone else.

 

This came out of NOWHERE today and still confuses me. Especially considering he said this a few days ago:

 

What's out of no where about it? We got the night result and he compared it to the results of the previous night and tried to to figure it out. I don't happen to agree with him, but I don't see what's wrong about trying to draw as much information as possible from what Darthe gives us.

 

 

 

Good.

 

The last part I mean.

 

It's not good if you're town. I've had you in POE for a while. This morning you were posting so whimsically that it confused me. Then you got weird again and I thought you were scummy. Then you became brazen again. Quit toying with my feelings!

 

 

It is good. You operate under the assumption that if someone doesn't see things the way you do and doesn't "mindmeld" with you then there's something wrong with it. People play differently and rely on different tactics to play. It is a good thing because if everyone played the same it would be boring and predictable. Krak plays differently, true. You don't get his play? That's fine. Bottom line is saying it's not good for town if someone plays differently than you is BS.

 

 

MOr eimportantly, where the hell is Red?

 

Darthe let us know she's on LoA till Thursday.

 

 

So, at the very least, Hallia got defensive about the Red vote.

 

I don't buy a connection between Red and Lee/Hallia. The way Lee has been all over Red's case makes sense because Lee knew that getting Red out of the picture early on is the best idea..... and specifically the way Red reacted to Hallia talking about her gameplay seems genuine to me. Red can be... not so nice... lol... with people that don't really know her and make assumptions about her. I'm still leaning townie on her. But when she comes back from her LoA I'd love to hear what she has to say about what has been going on.

 

 

If it turns out VerbTina was telling the truth and MegaLoud is scum, I think this is more indication that Red votes were a sore spot for them.
 

 

I don't think Verbal is telling the truth. I think Verbal is a smart player who had a back up plan if one of them happened to be read by a cop. Leelou tried to start a train on Megacloud that went no where so she dropped it. Now Verbal uses the very same person to frame when Cory says he read Verbal as scum. When he's asked to prove it during the night suddenly it's not possible cause he can't target the same person in a row? or whatever dumbshit excuse he produced.

 

I'd like to think I can read Verbal well. Feels like an ewok fib to me. Plus, I don't recall who mentioned this but I totally agree... Leelou and Verbal have been COMPLETELY ignoring each other all game long. When Kat and I cased Leelou we didn't see her saying even one word to him the entire game. That's HIGHLY unusual.

 

He's lying.

 

 

 

 

 

@ Darthe i pose a new rule.  auto lynch to all grammer nazis

 

 

kthnxby

 

^ Red has no response for my other head soulreading her as scum

 

LOCK SCUM here people

 

 

It's silly, but Des has a point

 

 

I don't think he does. As I mentioned earlier, Red's play style usually brings out the worst in people. I don't want that to get in the way of us winning this game.

 

 

 

 

12. Halleeloujah (Leelou/Hally) - same as Verbalinia, minus the clout for Halia (Leelou gets clout though *nods*)  Leelou is always a null tell for me, cause she policy lynches me when she can and hasn't posted yet.  her vote reason is solid imo,so null on them.

 

 

Red has one of the least useful lists of all time here, but her logic within the Hallia/Leelou read doesn't make sense. "She's voting me and it makes sense, so null." Tommy voting me? LAWK SCUM!
 

 

What doesn't make sense to you about that? You've got a game with Red under your belt now so you know how she plays. Red often gets lynched because people want to put her on mute, to put it simply. lol  Leelou dislikes the way she codes, she dislikes misspelling and she prolly dislikes the gibbrish Red, on occasions, spews. So Leelou putting her vote on Red isn't a tell.

 

In previous games I've played I've noticed that some people believe that players like Red, even as townies, are a distraction that the town doesn't need and should be lynched because they make such a good tool for scum to insight chaos. I don't agree with this stance, but I've seen players get lynched because of it.

 

 

 

Honestly, Tommy, the more you post the more you ping. I had you pegged as a townie up until yesterday after Cory revealed and you've started shooting in all directions.

 

 

Gonna continue with my catch up now. Those were just a couple of points I wanted to address before I went on with the catch up.

 

 

 

Nyn