[Basic] Clash of the ancients - Mafia Wins!

[Darthe]

He looked ready to pounce.  Doesn't make him scum but it is a point against him.

[Lenlo]

He looked ready to pounce.  Doesn't make him scum but it is a point against him.

Are you talking about my ready to thunderdome or the OH SNAP gif?

 

I did the best I could with the second one, but I had limited time cause I had to beat the response and was on a phone.

[Thane Vakarian]

<with his last dying breath>

 

avenge... me...;  *coughs* don't let ....the scum.... win...

 

*exhales one last time*

 

 

(out of character: i had an awesome time guys and girls, thanks for having me. Untill next time!)

[Krakalakachkn]

 

lewis you do seem to be making a lot of assumptions. As has been pointed out there could be a number of ways the mafia is distributed. Some teams being completely town is definitely possible.

 

unless you know different?

 

You also claim tress is vetted as vig.  Now while i believe Tress due to her reactions in our QT, she is not vetted. (does this argument sound familiar darthe? why do people keep using that word?)

 

I think lewis knows too much.

 

##vote lewis

 

Awww, you flatter me Dice.  But if I was mafia, would I even be mentioning the set up at all?  I would have kept quiet the whole time. 

 

And please don't take it personal, Dice.  I chose you because, based on everything, your lynch would either prove or disprove the "one scum on each team" notion.  Tress is an uncontested Vig and your only surviving teammate.  She is the only one besides myself that I can safely say is town. 

 

Dice flips town, we KNOW that the scum is all on one team. 

 

Dice flips scum, we know differently. 

 

The problem with a Nolder vote is that if he flips scum, there could still be another scum on his team so it proves nothing. 

 

But in the interest of self-preservation......

 

##unvote

 

##vote Nolder

 

 

 

So are you voting nol because you think he is scum?

 

That conflicts with me being scum or with the idea that all scum are on the same QT, two of which you have proposed.

 

Or are you voting him in the interest of self preservation?

 

That implies that you care more about your life than about the wellbeing of the town.

 

If Dice flips town how does it prove that the scum are all on one team?  It seems to me that scum would really want to push this idea for two reasons:

 

Scum could be on multiple teams and that could be the guaranteed all town team

We don't know the setup so we cannot assume that all groups are equal despite the push of my two scummy viking fellows.

 

Why did you ignore the Lewis' post above this one?

 

 

 

Actually Tress I am suggesting that We have a 2 1 1 setup where 1 QT has 2 mafia, two have one and two have none.  Or 1111.  I really doubt 22.

 

I think this one if the most likely.

Notice how AJ now supports the infiltration idea...but none of them want to vote their supposed traitor Darthe. They want to lynch me.

 

This is game over already.

 

I don't remember AJ pushing for a Darthe lynch, it was mostly Lewyn iirc.

 

 

 

I think this set up is obvious and the way forward is easy.

 

 

 

Dude I think it's pretty obvious at this point going forward that something funky is going on. The Cop doesn't turn up dead on D2 that often.

It happens all the time.

Have you really never played in a game where cop turned up dead on D2 before?

Sorry but I'm gonna have to pull rank here, if this doesn't seem commonplace to you you haven't played enough mafia yet.

 

Dude this is such BS and you know it lol

 

The Cop dying on N1 is significant and it means something in regards to this game and how the set is made. You talk about pulling rank but you seem to want to ignore this reality.

 

So what, you believe that the other two players in Nervo's QT are scum?  Legitimate question not a challenge.  That's the only situation I could see making sense with what you've just said in this post.

[Darthe]

I don't understand what you're asking.

[Andrej]

 

@Krak - Is your town read on Nol because apparently you guys share a QT?

 

My null read on Nol is because he's one of the players that I have a hardest time reading, but I'm sure that to a degree our shared QT is playing a role in that.  I'm trying not to let it influence my view but I'm just used to naturally playing with QT-mates as teammates.

 

Fair enough.

 

I can agree and understand as far as having the QT and the type of mentality/sense of trust it would foster.

 

 

 

How convinced are you that 1/3 players of each faction are scum?

 

Imo they arent. At least one faction has to not have scum and I think it more likely that one has two scum and then two are empty. Thats how it balances best withthe least swing. Otherwise we could clear two people each time we found the scummer in a team.

 

Indeed,  But perhaps the mods didn't count on Nolder voting for his own Civ partner, which lead to this early revelation.  

 

Had Nolder not voted JackD, he would have died without alerting us that the QTs were compromised, and it would have taken us at least Day 3 or 4 to figure this out unless Tress got lucky with her VIG kill.  Even if Nervo got a scum read on one player, it would have been a town vs town WIFOM until someone was lynched. 

 

So, the game would have been well balanced, much like Kivam's double blind game of old, if Nolder hadn't voted JackD.

 

I know you can't answer, but AJ is still around - why would you not assume that the QT's contained or had the potential to contain players of a different alignment.  When no info was listed in the QT I immediately asked the mods if they could confirm our same-team alignments but they wouldn't.  IMO Jack only stated the obvious with his "compromised" statement - although since he left it pretty ambiguous he could have been talking about something else entirely.

 

Again - I just don't understand this line of thought.  Specifically the use of the word 'betray.'  I'll happily have a conversation with you after the game though Lewynd 

 

I really don't want to get too much into this discussion because I think it's sort of outside of the game, but there was something in my QT that gave me that impression until it was clarified later. That said, Lewynd (lol) and I worked very well together in our QT. The discussion around the game was organic and we were seeing a lot of the same things. I really didn't have a reason to feel I couldn't trust him, to be frank. As you know, ICE was pretty much AWOL all of D1 until Darthe replaced in for him on N1, so I didn't really get a read there as the AJ/Lewynd mindmeld was going down.

 

 

 

Or consider this.....

 

Nolder and JackD were on the same team together.  The third Egyptian can confirm this.  Nolder betrayed JackD by voting him. 

 

I suspect that Nolder's attempt to lynch an inactive (ICE) was actually an attempt to lynch an inactive scum partner to make himself look clean.  Would have worked if he had thought of it earlier.  Ice (who is now Darthe) is on the Viking team with myself and AJ.  The diarreah of posts from Darthe at this point suggests scrambling. 

 

Darthe's silence in our QT as of late further suggests that he has turned in his Viking helmet for a scum hat.

 

Still, we have an easy solution.  Third Egyptian can confirm Nolder is part of the QT.  We can then lynch Nolder.  If he flips scum AND was part of the Egyptian team that JackD was part of, we have our answer.  Does this make sense to those of you who are actually scumhunting and not scrambling?

 

Lol wow, could you possibly push this angle any harder?

Remember when you were going nuts over my "coordinated" vote with Jack?

There was nothing of the sort, my other teammate can confirm this. We weren't talking on the QT at all.

And now we're supposed to have been on opposite teams. You're just spinning any story that fits your narrative.

 

I still disagree with this line of reasoning.  If by 'betray' you mean the topical "faction betrayal" then yes, technically one Egyptian 'betrayed' the other.  But what I think you mean is in-game teammates, and since Nolder and Jack didn't have a reciprocal relationship regarding alignment (as per Jack's flip) then there's no way that Nolder 'betrayed' Jack in that sense.

 

In our QT Nolder and Jack were mostly congenial except when Nolder called Jack out for contradicting himself day 1.  Nol also posted in our QT about how gross Jack's AtE was and how it was more or less a policy lynch.  That doesn't prove anything in my mind as smart scum would post that in both QT and thread regardless. As far as I can tell from what happened in-thread and in-QT, Nol voted Jack only once Jack self-voted.

 

Yes - I think the word 'betrayal' was used specifically to refer to one QT mate hammering another, not necessarily alignment related. At this point in the game Lewynd and I were contemplating the possible set-up and distribution of the scum team and were leaning towards potentially having 1 civ as the entire team, or 2 civs that were opposing mafia teams and the other 3 being more or less Mason groups for town.

 

Bolded sentence: What is your opinion on this type of Policy Vote/Lynch mentality?

[Andrej]

 

I think this set up is obvious and the way forward is easy.

 

 

Dude I think it's pretty obvious at this point going forward that something funky is going on. The Cop doesn't turn up dead on D2 that often.

It happens all the time.

Have you really never played in a game where cop turned up dead on D2 before?

Sorry but I'm gonna have to pull rank here, if this doesn't seem commonplace to you you haven't played enough mafia yet.

 

Dude this is such BS and you know it lol

 

The Cop dying on N1 is significant and it means something in regards to this game and how the set is made. You talk about pulling rank but you seem to want to ignore this reality.

 

So what, you believe that the other two players in Nervo's QT are scum?  Legitimate question not a challenge.  That's the only situation I could see making sense with what you've just said in this post.

 

Not both - but I could see one of them being scum since I don't really believe the Cop turning up N1 was a huge coincidence. That said, both have commented on how there wasn't much conversation/discussion in their QT so that kind of dispels where I was going with that idea. It could be that since they had the Cop in their QT that no scum were put there for sensitivity reasons, but that theory makes both TG and Despo town and Darthe mafia, which doesn't jive with my picture of the game currently.

[Andrej]

Official Vote Count

 

Leno (1/5): TG

Despo (1/5): Darthe

 

Not Voting (8/10): Despo, Dawn, AJ, Krak, Nolder, Tress, Leno, Dice

 

 

With 10 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

 

Deadline will be Friday 25th at 9pm MST countdown timer will be added later tonight.

 

##vote Nolder

 

At this point I think it's going to become like shooting fish in a barrel. We line them up and lynch them one by one until the game is over. I think both of the current wagons are good bets for scum, but I would rather go with the scummy that claimed on thread first.

 

This is MYLO btw. If there is 4 scum we are sitting at 6:4 and it's game over if we mislynch and the NK is successful.

 

@ Tress - who did you target, if anyone?

[Darthe]

I am really tempted to go Nol for his claim and because of how much it has been pushed on thread but I have high reservations about Des being town.  It just doesn't add up to me.  Pressure there seems warranted.

[Andrej]

I'm all for the pressure.

 

Nolbat needs to be the lynch today though. I doubt we get anything from him at this point anyway after the shenanigans during the Night with the troll claim.

 

Nolder

Dice

Len

Despo

 

This is where I'd be putting my money.

[Darthe]

I would say you're likely right.

[Krakalakachkn]

 

Bolded sentence: What is your opinion on this type of Policy Vote/Lynch mentality?

 

 

 

I get it.  Jack had given up and the Wifom wasn't worth not lynching him at L-1

[hazelkrs1]

For those who continue to preach about random distribution, you obviously aren't thinking.

 

Unless it were uniform, random distribution could/would allow for a QT of 3 to be all mafia, which defeats the purpose of having the QTs in the first place.

 

1:1:1:1 is much more likely. Even 2:1:1 over completely random.

 

This was actually an okay point. I'd argue that the likelihood of one QT being all scum would be extremely low in that scenario, but meh.

 

And for anybody wondering about the Roman QT, Despo has said basically nothing.  Vos posted a hello, Despo said vossie reminds him of Ben Fossie or some such and that has been about it. 

 

I actually kinda forgot to keep posting in there. Am in 5 games at the same time atm, and off right now as well. Have barely been able to stay caught up on all games.

 

Funny thing is, I thought the stuff you were saying in the QT was scummy as HAYLL. And now you're voting anyone else but the person who claimed scum. Nice job outing yourself lol.

 

Well then.

 

You should have never underestimated Ramesses the great, Chosen of Ra and Pharaoh of Egypt.

Some among you may know me as Ozymandias.

There will never be peace among our peoples. 

War will be had. Blood will be spilled. Allegiances forsaken.

And in the end the god's themselves will take notice of what happened here today.

 

I have spoken.

 

 

 

So sad that yall didn't lynch this cat yesterday, I'm pretty meh on this game right now. Hopefully I can resurrect my WIM tomorrow night at work. For now I will ##Vote Nolder.

 

Thinking it's Nol/Dice/TG/Darthe. Nol and Dice are CONFIRMED imo, and there's at least one scum in Darthe/TG pairing.

[hazelkrs1]

Oh and Nol scumclaiming like that at night only happens if scum know they can block Tress's Vig. So TG acting like we can "maybe" assume there's a RB is kinda ridic. Looks like him trying to act like he dunno what's going on imo.

[Nolder]

Scumclaiming? I was just character claiming.

You're scum, always trying to twist what I'm saying.

Just like Mynd except I was wrong about him unfortunately.

 

##Vote Des

[hazelkrs1]

[Nolder]

Ok fine it was a scumclaim. 

 

What about it?

[hazelkrs1]

Like I don't even know what you're trying to accomplish here Nol. Not really in the mood to entertain a scummy who's likely to troll the thread till he is finally hung.

 

In fact I'm betting you have some kind of trick up your sleeve but w/e, I'm still lynching you today. Have fun being on iggy the rest of the game

[Nolder]

I just wanted to use my bomb role.

I've never had it before.

When other people get it they have no problem getting people to vote them.

I on the other hand don't get lynched when I claim scum wtf.

Anyway just end it. I'll hammer myself when the time comes.

 

##Unvote

[Andrej]

[Darthe]

I just wanted to use my bomb role.

I've never had it before.

When other people get it they have no problem getting people to vote them.

I on the other hand don't get lynched when I claim scum wtf.

Anyway just end it. I'll hammer myself when the time comes.

 

##Unvote

 

Could you shut the hell up?  Jesus, even if I have thought you are town all game you're making it nearly impossible to carry that.  You bitched the entire thread about jack self voting and whining and presenting AtE and now you pull this?  

 

It is MyLo.  I want Des dead over you.  AJ over Len (that changed recently).  Do something about it or I will vote you and blame you forever for this game if you're town.

[Darthe]

 

For those who continue to preach about random distribution, you obviously aren't thinking.

 

Unless it were uniform, random distribution could/would allow for a QT of 3 to be all mafia, which defeats the purpose of having the QTs in the first place.

 

1:1:1:1 is much more likely. Even 2:1:1 over completely random.

 

This was actually an okay point. I'd argue that the likelihood of one QT being all scum would be extremely low in that scenario, but meh.

 

And for anybody wondering about the Roman QT, Despo has said basically nothing.  Vos posted a hello, Despo said vossie reminds him of Ben Fossie or some such and that has been about it. 

 

I actually kinda forgot to keep posting in there. Am in 5 games at the same time atm, and off right now as well. Have barely been able to stay caught up on all games.

 

Funny thing is, I thought the stuff you were saying in the QT was scummy as HAYLL. And now you're voting anyone else but the person who claimed scum. Nice job outing yourself lol.

 

Well then.

 

You should have never underestimated Ramesses the great, Chosen of Ra and Pharaoh of Egypt.

Some among you may know me as Ozymandias.

There will never be peace among our peoples. 

War will be had. Blood will be spilled. Allegiances forsaken.

And in the end the god's themselves will take notice of what happened here today.

 

I have spoken.

 

 

 

So sad that yall didn't lynch this cat yesterday, I'm pretty meh on this game right now. Hopefully I can resurrect my WIM tomorrow night at work. For now I will ##Vote Nolder.

 

Thinking it's Nol/Dice/TG/Darthe. Nol and Dice are CONFIRMED imo, and there's at least one scum in Darthe/TG pairing.

 

 

AJ and I are paired and TG is the clearest town in this game.  That said, Tress has been a really difficult vig this game.  She's killed two of the most universally read town players in the game.  

[Krakalakachkn]

AJ and I are paired and TG is the clearest town in this game.  That said, Tress has been a really difficult vig this game.  She's killed two of the most universally read town players in the game.  

 

And who, pray tell, was the second?

[Darthe]

oh, you're right she didn't kill Thane.  I think i was stuck on the memory of post 769

[Songstress]

I've killed *one*, Darthe.

 

Why do you say two?

 

I don't think Dice is in any way confirmed scum. As I explained at the start of D2, I thought my QT was a mafia QT when the game began until Amega fixed my role PM to confirm my alignment (yes, I was sick). If Dice was mafia, then the mafia team knew for certain there was a town vig from the very beginning.

 

From what TG and Des have said it doesn't sound like Vos role claimed on the QT - and I saw no hints in thread that would have made me think he was cop. Why would mafia have killed Vos instead of taking out a confirmed town PR night 1 - especially since I did not give any hint in the QT about who I would shoot, and Wombat was nudging me at a couple of people.

 

This puts Scum!Dice as a serious question mark for me - unless Vos actually did claim or hint at his role on the QT, in which case both Des and TG are dirty.