[Basic] Clash of the ancients - Mafia Wins!

[Songstress]

I don't care to lynch you for it but I find it a really questionable decision.  For the life of me I don't get that one.

 

Who do you think we should lynch?  Top three please.

 

God, that's going to take some thought.

 

I'm torn between wanting to verify if the mafia is more or less evenly distributed (although I think 4 is more likely than 5, so at least one QT is probably all town) and lynch Dice, and saying hell no, that's what Lewis wants, and he's starting to make me heavily worried.  I'm not sure who balance checked the game, so 2 mafia each on 2 of the delegation QTs may make more sense as you suggested.  Or it might be one each on 4 of them.  I rarely know what to make of Dice, but he hasn't lurked as much as I might have expected him to as mafia, so there's that.  Man's a champion lurker when scum, to the point of "oh hey, I forgot he was in this game".

 

Wombat is clearly smarter than I am (sorry again Womby, you are the best marsupial ever and I totally suck ), and he was leaning mafia on Lewis and Des by the end of the night, primarily because they turned the tide on the Jack lynch, and he thought Despo's response to Jack's flip was disingenuous.

 

I don't trust Nolder.  I don't trust Lewis.  I don't know if I should trust Darthe (but I think if Lewis is mafia, Darthe more likely isn't). 

 

Lewis is making a lot of assumptions - nobody has admitted to being on Jack's QT, including Nolder (in fact he's specifically avoided answering that question) - but if Nolder is mafia and there's one mafia per QT, why hasn't the 3rd Egyptian spoken up?  Perhaps both of Jack's QT-mates are mafia, which means Darthe's 2 mafia on 2 QTs is on point.  And if that's the case, I'd be willing to bet that the other 2 are the missing Romans, since someone had to have ratted out Vos.   Best guesses if that's the case - Nolder, Krak, Despo and Lenlo.

 

After that lovely stream of consciousness (hey, at least I'm not feeling like utter crap today - I haven't taken any cold medicine in 8 hours and I still feel human) I guess this really doesn't answer your question precisely as asked, Darthe, but hopefully it lets you know where my head is at.

 

The biggest thing that bothers me is that Nolder has dodged the question about him being on Jack's QT over and over.

 

##vote Nolder

[Andrej]

 

I don't care to lynch you for it but I find it a really questionable decision.  For the life of me I don't get that one.

 

Who do you think we should lynch?  Top three please.

 

God, that's going to take some thought.

 

I'm torn between wanting to verify if the mafia is more or less evenly distributed (although I think 4 is more likely than 5, so at least one QT is probably all town) and lynch Dice, and saying hell no, that's what Lewis wants, and he's starting to make me heavily worried.  I'm not sure who balance checked the game, so 2 mafia each on 2 of the delegation QTs may make more sense as you suggested.  Or it might be one each on 4 of them.  I rarely know what to make of Dice, but he hasn't lurked as much as I might have expected him to as mafia, so there's that.  Man's a champion lurker when scum, to the point of "oh hey, I forgot he was in this game".

 

Wombat is clearly smarter than I am (sorry again Womby, you are the best marsupial ever and I totally suck  ), and he was leaning mafia on Lewis and Des by the end of the night, primarily because they turned the tide on the Jack lynch, and he thought Despo's response to Jack's flip was disingenuous.

 

I don't trust Nolder.  I don't trust Lewis.  I don't know if I should trust Darthe (but I think if Lewis is mafia, Darthe more likely isn't). 

 

Lewis is making a lot of assumptions - nobody has admitted to being on Jack's QT, including Nolder (in fact he's specifically avoided answering that question) - but if Nolder is mafia and there's one mafia per QT, why hasn't the 3rd Egyptian spoken up?  Perhaps both of Jack's QT-mates are mafia, which means Darthe's 2 mafia on 2 QTs is on point.  And if that's the case, I'd be willing to bet that the other 2 are the missing Romans, since someone had to have ratted out Vos.   Best guesses if that's the case - Nolder, Krak, Despo and Lenlo.

 

After that lovely stream of consciousness (hey, at least I'm not feeling like utter crap today - I haven't taken any cold medicine in 8 hours and I still feel human) I guess this really doesn't answer your question precisely as asked, Darthe, but hopefully it lets you know where my head is at.

 

The biggest thing that bothers me is that Nolder has dodged the question about him being on Jack's QT over and over.

 

##vote Nolder

 

I think the assumptions are well founded. Jack didn't start to talk about compromised QTs until AFTER Nol hammered him. Pretty clear there.

 

Also, the 3rd Egyptian has spoken up enough to reveal themselves to me, amirite Krak?

 

Notice how his intrigue was peaked immediately after Jack suggested the compromised QTs? To me this suggests he was suddenly made very uncomfortable with Nolder for hammering their shared companion. And again how today he is overtly defending Nolder via attacking Lewis.

 

I would also be fine with swapping to Nolder. I feel like his last 2 votes from D1 were more or less pseudo policy lynch material and meta abuse. An easy thing for scum to hide behind and justify their actions. LAL and then the hammer for self-voting, although apparently Jack was in his QT.

[amegakure]

vote count in a little bit

[Nolder]

*shakes head* I HAVE if you have been paying attention.

I'm not one for vague and cryptic hints.

If you're gonna hint it I'm going to make you say it.

 

Scumhunters in this game already know where I'm from.

Not to boast or anything but I'm pretty sure I know where everyone stands at this point.

 

Those who are scum and are being defensive rather than investigative do not because they haven't read the obvious clues right in front of them.  Even JackD got one exclusively for him when I bid him farewell.

 

For example, LOUIS FRIEND is an anagram for IRON SULFIDE, as many people who either have taken basic chemistry OR watched Silence of the Lambs, knows is "FOOLS GOLD" - but I chose to spell LOUIS as LEWIS in honor of my recently deceased cat. 

 

So, who would be a Golden Age Fool who spells his name differently?  Someone who is Jogging your Brain, perhaps?  There ya go.

 

Town players who are pro-town are explicit with their info.  Hence....BAGUETTE GO VIKINGS!

Cool story.

 

Should we correctly assume then that you are one of the other Egyptians?

Yep.

 

Vikings began as me, AJ, and Ice.  Ice was painfully inactive to the point that Nolder must have hatched an egg a fiendish plan.  It wasn't looking good for him so he figured, "hey.....since ICE is the super secret hidden mafia dude like I am, I can push for his lynch and this would make me look like Mr. Towniepants."  It would have worked if his pantaloons were not already on fyre.  

 

Now, team members.  Ask yourself this.  Who on your team is likely scum?  My guess is ICE/Darthe for us.  Nolder for the Egyptians. Dawnflower is scum on whatever team she's on.  Lenlo has been pinging on everyone's scumdar.  Finally.....someone has betrayed Ron Burgandy?

So you knew (obviously) that Ice was on your team and yet you're trying to spin it like I knew he was mafia because I wanted to lynch him for being inactive? Sounds to me you're the one trying to manipulate the situation not me.

[Darthe]

Actually Tress I am suggesting that We have a 2 1 1 setup where 1 QT has 2 mafia, two have one and two have none.  Or 1111.  I really doubt 22.

[LewisFriendly]

 

I believe to qts are compromised.

 

Feel like stretching that out a bit more?

 

I think we all can agree on this.  Why didn't Jack be more explicit with the details of why he felt this way?  More important is WHEN he suddenly felt this way.....

 

 

 

 

##unvote

##bote jack

 

Now des will tell us the wealth of info my lynch gives us

 

This is the sixth game I think that I've been voted up and lynched day one. I'm at L-1 I'm sure there will be a ninja hammer out of the woodworks. But would rather not get a modkill. Or whatever bad action the mods have planned

 

Lenlo

Lewis

Des

 

Top 3 ATM for scum.

Awful AtE. I mean seriously what're you gonna do next? Turn on the waterworks?

No townie should ever self vote it is one of the scummiest things you can ever do.

You ALWAYS fight your lynch. Not fighting it is a mafia tactic to make people feel sorry for you.

Sorry Jack but you just signed your death warrant.

 

##Unvote

##Vote Jack

I do fight. But tbh the novelty of people gunning for my lynch every day 1 gets old. We had a handful of hours. Random would of been bad. Now there's a train to answer for.

 

Nextly

 

I believe to qts are compromised.

 

Finally

 

With that vote Nolder I do believe you shot up my scum list. :-*

 

As long as you put yourself at #2. 

 

What if Nolder IS town and his hammer vote of JackD was really rage against someone on his team who self-voted and gave up?  I'd be angry too.  Notice that NO ONE ELSE from JackD's Civilization spoke up about him.  Sure, Nolder was the hammer....but where was the 3rd Egyptian on this vote?

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Lenlo (3/8): Dawn, TG, jack

AJ (1/8):  Krak

darthe (1/8): nolder

TG: (1/8) Lenlo

Jack (8/8) Nervo, Lewis, despo, wombat, aj, song, jack, nolder LYNCHED

Krak (1/8): AJ

Nolder (1/8) thane

 

 

 

Not voting (3/15): Tress, Ice, Dice

 

with 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch

 

Darthe has replaced Ice. 

 

 

Nolder is in a position to give us a good read on his 3rd Egyptian QT mate.  What was he/she doing when this all went down? 

 

Tress may or may not want to lynch Dice, but I hope she is considering it as a possibility.  Also, an uncontested VIG with proof that there is a Vig in the game (Womby's death), I think we can safely vet Tress as town. 

[Darthe]

Lol WIFOM and conjecture out the Wazoo.

[Nolder]

 

How convinced are you that 1/3 players of each faction are scum?

 

I'm not completely convinced, but how else do you explain Nolder voting for JackD if they are both Egyptians?

 

At first, I read JackD's post as a bitter betty, but it makes sense that with five teams of three that one on each team is scum.  No one civilization on the list could be the obvious choice for scum or town.  Each had their good and bad.  In a game were (apparently) everyone has a CUTIE, but no one was guaranteed of the other team member's alignments, that one person on each team would be scum.

 

Nolder's vote of JackD to seal his fate was brilliant if he is scum.  He probably just didn't count on JackD calling him out before he was lynched. Safe to assume they are/were on the same Civ team based on JackD's reaction.

 

So, who is the third Egyptian? Perhaps that person can enlighten us on how this whole thing went down.  Also, I implore every Civilization to start thinking about who on your team is likely scum.

 

1. It was a policy vote, I'll do it to anyone who self votes in any game. It's nothing but an emotional outburst at best and a scum tactic at worst. It's like claiming scum. It's so stupid you think they can't seriously be doing this but you'd be dumb not to lynch them anyway.

 

2. We had some discussion in our QT early about whether we could trust our teammates and Amega told us PAFO. So there are two reasonable possibilities with how scum could be distributed and given we've seen 3 deaths from three different teams I think I know which is which. One possibility was that scum are distributed randomly or semi randomly throughout each team. The other possibility is that one team is scum and is betraying the others. This is clash of the ancients after all. I wasn't sure about Jack buddying up to me at first and calling me town and thought maybe it's because we share a QT but once he self voted I decided it didn't matter and this was the best opportunity we had to test the theory not to mention the fact that he was a dead man walking anyway. We weren't going to lynch anyone else so don't hang is death on me. With three dead townies on three different teams I think we're looking for one team of scum. At this point it's either the Vikings or the Greeks and given how hard you're pushing the angle that QT's have been infiltrated and that scum are spread out I think it must be your team Lewis.

[LewisFriendly]

Ancient Civilizations 101

 

Vikings:  AJ, Lewis, and Darthe

 

Romans:  Nervo, ?????, and ?????

 

Greeks:  Lenlo, ?????, and ?????

 

Chinese:  Womby, Tress, and Dice

 

Egyptians:  JackD, Nolder, and ?????

 

Not Yet Claimed as Civilized: Dawn, Krak, TG, Thane, and Despo

 

Someone likely ratted out Nervo to the scum team.  If we can fill in more of the blanks here, we can help narrow down who it was. 

 

@Darthe - You keep using WIFOM.  I do not think it means what you think it means. 

 

Again, scumhunters use logic, information, and educated guesses.  The essence of scum is to discredit, distract, and disinform. 

 

(out of character) I hope everyone is having as much fun as I. 

[Nolder]

Or consider this.....

 

Nolder and JackD were on the same team together.  The third Egyptian can confirm this.  Nolder betrayed JackD by voting him. 

 

I suspect that Nolder's attempt to lynch an inactive (ICE) was actually an attempt to lynch an inactive scum partner to make himself look clean.  Would have worked if he had thought of it earlier.  Ice (who is now Darthe) is on the Viking team with myself and AJ.  The diarreah of posts from Darthe at this point suggests scrambling. 

 

Darthe's silence in our QT as of late further suggests that he has turned in his Viking helmet for a scum hat.

 

Still, we have an easy solution.  Third Egyptian can confirm Nolder is part of the QT.  We can then lynch Nolder.  If he flips scum AND was part of the Egyptian team that JackD was part of, we have our answer.  Does this make sense to those of you who are actually scumhunting and not scrambling?

Lol wow, could you possibly push this angle any harder?

Remember when you were going nuts over my "coordinated" vote with Jack?

There was nothing of the sort, my other teammate can confirm this. We weren't talking on the QT at all.

And now we're supposed to have been on opposite teams. You're just spinning any story that fits your narrative.

[Nolder]

I use the word betray as Webster intended.  Up until the moment Nolder voted him,  JackD believed Nolder to be town like him.  He even had openly "cleared" him in the thread more than once.  When Nolder, who was supposed to be Town with him, voted him, that is when JackD realized that Nolder was not aligned as he would be.  He said so himself just before the noose.

Jack was just mad because I hammered him.

And he was only mad at that because he was already mad at the game hence his self vote.

Had he been thinking rationally he would not have flipped on me like that.

He even said in our QT he voted himself "for consolidation" but in that case why would he be mad at me for hammering?

You see? He wasn't in a good state of mind.

 

 

The set up of the game is clear.  FIVE Ancient Civilizations.  So far, no one is disputing that there are 3 players on each Civilization QT.  If Nolder did betray JackD, as he clearly has, then that would strongly suggest that at least one player on each QT is a scumlord. Hence, JackD's comment about the QTs being compromised.

 

But Darthe HAS been playing the entire game.  Remember that he originally was coaching ICE? He was his mentor so he was with this whole setup from the beginning. Only now is he getting out there what Ice should have been saying from the first place.  He is also feeling like he is in the hot seat because he should be.  Only the mafia are nervous right now about what JackD stated.  They desperately don't want us to start doubting who is town on our own QTs. 

 

Curious that you are actually fighting me on this rather than even considering the possibility.  Are you afraid that others might agree with me?

Still pushing this angle really hard.

I think you're scum with Darthe and you're the one trying to bus him and project that onto me.

You didn't give a hoot about Ice being inactive until I brought it up.

 

So if Darthe is supposedly my scummate let's lynch him then yeah? Oh wait no you want to lynch ME first, ahh of course. That makes total sense. 

[Andrej]

 

 

How convinced are you that 1/3 players of each faction are scum?

 

I'm not completely convinced, but how else do you explain Nolder voting for JackD if they are both Egyptians?

 

At first, I read JackD's post as a bitter betty, but it makes sense that with five teams of three that one on each team is scum.  No one civilization on the list could be the obvious choice for scum or town.  Each had their good and bad.  In a game were (apparently) everyone has a CUTIE, but no one was guaranteed of the other team member's alignments, that one person on each team would be scum.

 

Nolder's vote of JackD to seal his fate was brilliant if he is scum.  He probably just didn't count on JackD calling him out before he was lynched. Safe to assume they are/were on the same Civ team based on JackD's reaction.

 

So, who is the third Egyptian? Perhaps that person can enlighten us on how this whole thing went down.  Also, I implore every Civilization to start thinking about who on your team is likely scum.

 

1. It was a policy vote, I'll do it to anyone who self votes in any game. It's nothing but an emotional outburst at best and a scum tactic at worst. It's like claiming scum. It's so stupid you think they can't seriously be doing this but you'd be dumb not to lynch them anyway.

 

2. We had some discussion in our QT early about whether we could trust our teammates and Amega told us PAFO. So there are two reasonable possibilities with how scum could be distributed and given we've seen 3 deaths from three different teams I think I know which is which. One possibility was that scum are distributed randomly or semi randomly throughout each team. The other possibility is that one team is scum and is betraying the others. This is clash of the ancients after all. I wasn't sure about Jack buddying up to me at first and calling me town and thought maybe it's because we share a QT but once he self voted I decided it didn't matter and this was the best opportunity we had to test the theory not to mention the fact that he was a dead man walking anyway. We weren't going to lynch anyone else so don't hang is death on me. With three dead townies on three different teams I think we're looking for one team of scum. At this point it's either the Vikings or the Greeks and given how hard you're pushing the angle that QT's have been infiltrated and that scum are spread out I think it must be your team Lewis.

 

 

I thought something similar at first. I was under the impression that we were confirmed to each other until it was clarified later and that 2 of the five teams would be mafia teams vs. 3 mason groups to make it 9/3/3. The teams would probably alternate which Night they can kill to keep the death ratio down. 12/3 looks pretty steep for a single mafia team.

 

So the Vikings or the Greeks, you say?

 

Me, Lewis and Darthe. All scum?

 

[Nolder]

Wow that is pitiful cop play.

 

##Vote Lewis

It wasn't that bad really. Some PR's like to stay out of the way early.

 

So in the scene we have a blade and a crossbow.  

 

Do we have a vig that may want to claim that shot?  I imagine it is from the middle ages at some point.  Poisoned blade could be from any time.  

Why are you asking the Vig to out themselves?

 

I'm the vigilante, and I shot Wombat because he was suggesting in our QT that I shouldn't holster N1 regardless of how good my reads were.  I figured at worst, if he was telling the truth, I'd be shooting a vanilla town and avoiding a blind shot on a possible town power role... and maybe help figure out the setup a bit better.  Best outcome would be that he was mafia.  Go big or go home.

 

If you want to test the theory about the distribution of mafia on the QTs, our third is Dice.  He's also told me he is vanilla town.

Bad shot but honestly I don't blame you. That was kind of dumb of him to try to control your shot at all. Although why did you reveal you were the vig in the first place? Kind of silly on your part.

 

This one didn't work, and at least I owned up to it.  Amega and Kaylee can confirm after the game that I predicted that if I was wrong there would be no shortage of people willing to tell me how stupid I am.

That's always the case with vigs. If they hit mafia at ANY point in the game they're heroes. If they kill town at ANY point in the game they're the worst god damn mafia player ever and should just quit. Dunno why people react that way but this has been true as long as the vig role has been around I suspect.

[Nolder]

 

How convinced are you that 1/3 players of each faction are scum?

 

 

Imo they arent. At least one faction has to not have scum and I think it more likely that one has two scum and then two are empty. Thats how it balances best withthe least swing. Otherwise we could clear two people each time we found the scummer in a team.

 

Indeed,  But perhaps the mods didn't count on Nolder voting for his own Civ partner, which lead to this early revelation.  

 

Had Nolder not voted JackD, he would have died without alerting us that the QTs were compromised, and it would have taken us at least Day 3 or 4 to figure this out unless Tress got lucky with her VIG kill.  Even if Nervo got a scum read on one player, it would have been a town vs town WIFOM until someone was lynched. 

 

So, the game would have been well balanced, much like Kivam's double blind game of old, if Nolder hadn't voted JackD.

 

You're saying I unbalanced the game by voting? Sadly this isn't the most ridiculous thing you've said this game.

[Nolder]

I don't trust Nolder.  I don't trust Lewis.  I don't know if I should trust Darthe (but I think if Lewis is mafia, Darthe more likely isn't). 

 

Lewis is making a lot of assumptions - nobody has admitted to being on Jack's QT, including Nolder (in fact he's specifically avoided answering that question) - but if Nolder is mafia and there's one mafia per QT, why hasn't the 3rd Egyptian spoken up?  Perhaps both of Jack's QT-mates are mafia, which means Darthe's 2 mafia on 2 QTs is on point.  And if that's the case, I'd be willing to bet that the other 2 are the missing Romans, since someone had to have ratted out Vos.   Best guesses if that's the case - Nolder, Krak, Despo and Lenlo.

 

After that lovely stream of consciousness (hey, at least I'm not feeling like utter crap today - I haven't taken any cold medicine in 8 hours and I still feel human) I guess this really doesn't answer your question precisely as asked, Darthe, but hopefully it lets you know where my head is at.

 

The biggest thing that bothers me is that Nolder has dodged the question about him being on Jack's QT over and over.

 

##vote Nolder

 

Over and over? Citation please.

I recall forcing Lewis to claim his own teammates first and that was the only instance where I "dodged" if you even want to call it that.

As you can see I've claimed Jack as my teammate already. I suggest you go back and read my recent responses to Lewis. He's clearly trying anything and everything to manipulate the situation against me and like you said it's all based on assumptions (or rather fairy tales imo). He's the scum in this mess not me.

[Andrej]

Actually Tress I am suggesting that We have a 2 1 1 setup where 1 QT has 2 mafia, two have one and two have none.  Or 1111.  I really doubt 22.

 

I think this one if the most likely.

[Andrej]

is*

 

[Nolder]

 

 

 

How convinced are you that 1/3 players of each faction are scum?

 

I'm not completely convinced, but how else do you explain Nolder voting for JackD if they are both Egyptians?

 

At first, I read JackD's post as a bitter betty, but it makes sense that with five teams of three that one on each team is scum.  No one civilization on the list could be the obvious choice for scum or town.  Each had their good and bad.  In a game were (apparently) everyone has a CUTIE, but no one was guaranteed of the other team member's alignments, that one person on each team would be scum.

 

Nolder's vote of JackD to seal his fate was brilliant if he is scum.  He probably just didn't count on JackD calling him out before he was lynched. Safe to assume they are/were on the same Civ team based on JackD's reaction.

 

So, who is the third Egyptian? Perhaps that person can enlighten us on how this whole thing went down.  Also, I implore every Civilization to start thinking about who on your team is likely scum.

 

1. It was a policy vote, I'll do it to anyone who self votes in any game. It's nothing but an emotional outburst at best and a scum tactic at worst. It's like claiming scum. It's so stupid you think they can't seriously be doing this but you'd be dumb not to lynch them anyway.

 

2. We had some discussion in our QT early about whether we could trust our teammates and Amega told us PAFO. So there are two reasonable possibilities with how scum could be distributed and given we've seen 3 deaths from three different teams I think I know which is which. One possibility was that scum are distributed randomly or semi randomly throughout each team. The other possibility is that one team is scum and is betraying the others. This is clash of the ancients after all. I wasn't sure about Jack buddying up to me at first and calling me town and thought maybe it's because we share a QT but once he self voted I decided it didn't matter and this was the best opportunity we had to test the theory not to mention the fact that he was a dead man walking anyway. We weren't going to lynch anyone else so don't hang is death on me. With three dead townies on three different teams I think we're looking for one team of scum. At this point it's either the Vikings or the Greeks and given how hard you're pushing the angle that QT's have been infiltrated and that scum are spread out I think it must be your team Lewis.

 

 

I thought something similar at first. I was under the impression that we were confirmed to each other until it was clarified later and that 2 of the five teams would be mafia teams vs. 3 mason groups to make it 9/3/3. The teams would probably alternate which Night they can kill to keep the death ratio down. 12/3 looks pretty steep for a single mafia team.

 

So the Vikings or the Greeks, you say?

 

Me, Lewis and Darthe. All scum?

 

12/3 isn't that bad if they're all roled up, especially with a vig in play.

 

And yes I think it's Vikings or Greeks.

Considering Greeks seem to be taking a back seat I think it must be you guys.

Darthe has played a good game since he came in but that really doesn't mean anything, just that he's a good faker.

You caught pressure early and flailed, should have helped roast you but I was being too cautious at first and didn't want to take a stance.

And Lewis over there is the one that's giving you guys away. He claims I'm on a team with Darthe and that I was trying to take out an inactive teammate to gain town cred but instead of going after Darthe, the scum, to prove his theory he's attacking me so that he can keep Darthe alive and say oops must have been wrong afterwards. If he really believed we were teammates he would have just helped me vote off Darthe and then moved on to me. His actions don't match his words.

[Nolder]

And with that said...

 

##Vote Lewis

[Nolder]

 

Actually Tress I am suggesting that We have a 2 1 1 setup where 1 QT has 2 mafia, two have one and two have none.  Or 1111.  I really doubt 22.

 

I think this one if the most likely.

 

Notice how AJ now supports the infiltration idea...but none of them want to vote their supposed traitor Darthe. They want to lynch me.

 

This is game over already.

[LewisFriendly]

If I was pushing for you, why is my vote on Dice? Your paranoia is misguided.  Sign of a guilty conscience.

 

Also, I believe Darthe is scum, and not just because he's bragging about it on our QT.  But it doesn't matter what I believe or what AJ believes, it matters what I can prove to the town.  Right now, you are 1/2 of the surviving Egyptians.  What we need to do first more than anything is figure out if indeed 1 scum on each team.  I wonder why it makes more sense to you that Darthe, AJ, and myself are scum rather than the possibility that your Egyptian partner is a rat. 

 

All this fluff about a 2 11 2 or 1 2 2 1 or 9 0 2 1 0 is only distraction.  Think about it if you were a mod.  How would you set this game up?  It would be completely unfair to a vanilla townie to be on a qt with TWO scum.  I'd be pissed if I found out that BOTH AJ and DARTHE were scum.  Having one on each team makes much more sense.  This is why the scum are so desperately trying to shake the numbers up. 

 

Nolder did not unbalance the game by hammering JackD, he just called early attention to the true set-up.  The scum would have been sitting pretty all the way to like Day 4 or even Day 5 before the rest of us caught on.  And then, it would have been too late. 

 

As I stated earlier though, it is possible that Nolder is town and really was just pissed at JackD.  I just find it curious that he isn't even considering his surviving Egyptian cohort as a possible scum.

[Andrej]

##unvote vote Nolder

 

Dude I think it's pretty obvious at this point going forward that something funky is going on. The Cop doesn't turn up dead on D2 that often.

 

I literally do not believe that you believe inside yourself that me Darthe and Lewis are all scum together after you hammered one of your QT buds lol

[LewisFriendly]

To keep it fresh for everyone....

 

Ancient Civilizations 101

 

Vikings:  AJ, Lewis, and Darthe

 

Romans:  Nervo, ?????, and ?????

 

Greeks:  Lenlo, ?????, and ?????

 

Chinese:  Womby, Tress, and Dice

 

Egyptians:  JackD, Nolder, and ?????

 

Not Yet Claimed as Civilized: Dawn, Krak, TG, Thane, and Despo

 

Scumhunters use logic, information, and educated guesses.  The essence of scum is to discredit, distract, and disinform. 

 

(out of character) I hope everyone is having as much fun as I. 

 

We can essentially vet Tress as town, uncontested Vig.

 

We all agree that the game was divided into 5 Civilization Teams, each with their own QT.  3 players on each QT.  To me, it seems like it would be a poorly balanced game to have more than one scum hidden on each QT.  How would you feel if you found out that BOTH players on your QT were scum?  Pretty screwed.

[dicetosser1]

lewis you do seem to be making a lot of assumptions. As has been pointed out there could be a number of ways the mafia is distributed. Some teams being completely town is definitely possible.

 

unless you know different?

 

You also claim tress is vetted as vig.  Now while i believe Tress due to her reactions in our QT, she is not vetted. (does this argument sound familiar darthe? why do people keep using that word?)

 

I think lewis knows too much.

 

##vote lewis

[Darthe]

 

 

 

Btw Lewis, which QT would you recommend that we kill each member of?

 

It strikes me that PR's likely aren't in the same QT.

 

PR's? What post restrictions are you talking about?

 

 

Also power roles.

 

 

Lol trying to get dice lynched.  Did it matter at all how townie he has been this game or is it mechanical to you?

 

Good luck explaining.

 

 

I hate to have to break the news to you, but there have been cases where players have seemed town but turned out to be scum.  It's kinda the point of mafia, isn't it?

 

So you intend to avoid the question then?  Alright.

 

 

I don't care to lynch you for it but I find it a really questionable decision.  For the life of me I don't get that one.

 

Who do you think we should lynch?  Top three please.

 

God, that's going to take some thought.

 

I'm torn between wanting to verify if the mafia is more or less evenly distributed (although I think 4 is more likely than 5, so at least one QT is probably all town) and lynch Dice, and saying hell no, that's what Lewis wants, and he's starting to make me heavily worried.  I'm not sure who balance checked the game, so 2 mafia each on 2 of the delegation QTs may make more sense as you suggested.  Or it might be one each on 4 of them.  I rarely know what to make of Dice, but he hasn't lurked as much as I might have expected him to as mafia, so there's that.  Man's a champion lurker when scum, to the point of "oh hey, I forgot he was in this game".

 

Wombat is clearly smarter than I am (sorry again Womby, you are the best marsupial ever and I totally suck ), and he was leaning mafia on Lewis and Des by the end of the night, primarily because they turned the tide on the Jack lynch, and he thought Despo's response to Jack's flip was disingenuous.

 

I don't trust Nolder.  I don't trust Lewis.  I don't know if I should trust Darthe (but I think if Lewis is mafia, Darthe more likely isn't). 

 

Lewis is making a lot of assumptions - nobody has admitted to being on Jack's QT, including Nolder (in fact he's specifically avoided answering that question) - but if Nolder is mafia and there's one mafia per QT, why hasn't the 3rd Egyptian spoken up?  Perhaps both of Jack's QT-mates are mafia, which means Darthe's 2 mafia on 2 QTs is on point.  And if that's the case, I'd be willing to bet that the other 2 are the missing Romans, since someone had to have ratted out Vos.   Best guesses if that's the case - Nolder, Krak, Despo and Lenlo.

 

After that lovely stream of consciousness (hey, at least I'm not feeling like utter crap today - I haven't taken any cold medicine in 8 hours and I still feel human) I guess this really doesn't answer your question precisely as asked, Darthe, but hopefully it lets you know where my head is at.

 

The biggest thing that bothers me is that Nolder has dodged the question about him being on Jack's QT over and over.

 

##vote Nolder

 

I disagree with your Nol vote but I like to see your line of reasoning.  Lewis worries me too and I can't tell if AJ is caught up in his passion or if they are working together this hard because they are together.  It seems to me that they have melded seemingly since morning started.

 

 

*shakes head* I HAVE if you have been paying attention.

I'm not one for vague and cryptic hints.

If you're gonna hint it I'm going to make you say it.

 

Scumhunters in this game already know where I'm from.

Not to boast or anything but I'm pretty sure I know where everyone stands at this point.

 

Those who are scum and are being defensive rather than investigative do not because they haven't read the obvious clues right in front of them.  Even JackD got one exclusively for him when I bid him farewell.

 

For example, LOUIS FRIEND is an anagram for IRON SULFIDE, as many people who either have taken basic chemistry OR watched Silence of the Lambs, knows is "FOOLS GOLD" - but I chose to spell LOUIS as LEWIS in honor of my recently deceased cat. 

 

So, who would be a Golden Age Fool who spells his name differently?  Someone who is Jogging your Brain, perhaps?  There ya go.

 

Town players who are pro-town are explicit with their info.  Hence....BAGUETTE GO VIKINGS!

Cool story.

 

Should we correctly assume then that you are one of the other Egyptians?

Yep.

 

Vikings began as me, AJ, and Ice.  Ice was painfully inactive to the point that Nolder must have hatched an egg a fiendish plan.  It wasn't looking good for him so he figured, "hey.....since ICE is the super secret hidden mafia dude like I am, I can push for his lynch and this would make me look like Mr. Towniepants."  It would have worked if his pantaloons were not already on fyre.  

 

Now, team members.  Ask yourself this.  Who on your team is likely scum?  My guess is ICE/Darthe for us.  Nolder for the Egyptians. Dawnflower is scum on whatever team she's on.  Lenlo has been pinging on everyone's scumdar.  Finally.....someone has betrayed Ron Burgandy?

So you knew (obviously) that Ice was on your team and yet you're trying to spin it like I knew he was mafia because I wanted to lynch him for being inactive? Sounds to me you're the one trying to manipulate the situation not me.

 

Yeah basically.  

 

 

 

I believe to qts are compromised.

 

Feel like stretching that out a bit more?

 

I think we all can agree on this.  Why didn't Jack be more explicit with the details of why he felt this way?  More important is WHEN he suddenly felt this way.....

 

 

 

I do fight. But tbh the novelty of people gunning for my lynch every day 1 gets old. We had a handful of hours. Random would of been bad. Now there's a train to answer for.

 

Nextly

 

I believe to qts are compromised.

 

Finally

 

With that vote Nolder I do believe you shot up my scum list. :-*

 

As long as you put yourself at #2. 

 

What if Nolder IS town and his hammer vote of JackD was really rage against someone on his team who self-voted and gave up?  I'd be angry too.  Notice that NO ONE ELSE from JackD's Civilization spoke up about him.  Sure, Nolder was the hammer....but where was the 3rd Egyptian on this vote?

 

Nolder is in a position to give us a good read on his 3rd Egyptian QT mate.  What was he/she doing when this all went down? 

 

Tress may or may not want to lynch Dice, but I hope she is considering it as a possibility.  Also, an uncontested VIG with proof that there is a Vig in the game (Womby's death), I think we can safely vet Tress as town. 

 

Quoted because icky.  Specifically I think the whole manipulative angle of statements like the bolded are clear signs that you are on your scum meta.    Also, why would anyone from Jacks QT stand up for him?  They share a QT with him, that doesn't mean they know his alignment.  

 

 

 

 

Imo they arent. At least one faction has to not have scum and I think it more likely that one has two scum and then two are empty. Thats how it balances best withthe least swing. Otherwise we could clear two people each time we found the scummer in a team.

 

Indeed,  But perhaps the mods didn't count on Nolder voting for his own Civ partner, which lead to this early revelation.  

 

Had Nolder not voted JackD, he would have died without alerting us that the QTs were compromised, and it would have taken us at least Day 3 or 4 to figure this out unless Tress got lucky with her VIG kill.  Even if Nervo got a scum read on one player, it would have been a town vs town WIFOM until someone was lynched. 

 

So, the game would have been well balanced, much like Kivam's double blind game of old, if Nolder hadn't voted JackD.

 

You're saying I unbalanced the game by voting? Sadly this isn't the most ridiculous thing you've said this game.

 

No, I think this game was easy to figure out from the get go so I don't even see what logically sound point he could be trying to make.  He is far too good at this to actually believe his statements.

 

 

 

1. It was a policy vote, I'll do it to anyone who self votes in any game. It's nothing but an emotional outburst at best and a scum tactic at worst. It's like claiming scum. It's so stupid you think they can't seriously be doing this but you'd be dumb not to lynch them anyway.

 

2. We had some discussion in our QT early about whether we could trust our teammates and Amega told us PAFO. So there are two reasonable possibilities with how scum could be distributed and given we've seen 3 deaths from three different teams I think I know which is which. One possibility was that scum are distributed randomly or semi randomly throughout each team. The other possibility is that one team is scum and is betraying the others. This is clash of the ancients after all. I wasn't sure about Jack buddying up to me at first and calling me town and thought maybe it's because we share a QT but once he self voted I decided it didn't matter and this was the best opportunity we had to test the theory not to mention the fact that he was a dead man walking anyway. We weren't going to lynch anyone else so don't hang is death on me. With three dead townies on three different teams I think we're looking for one team of scum. At this point it's either the Vikings or the Greeks and given how hard you're pushing the angle that QT's have been infiltrated and that scum are spread out I think it must be your team Lewis.

 

I thought something similar at first. I was under the impression that we were confirmed to each other until it was clarified later and that 2 of the five teams would be mafia teams vs. 3 mason groups to make it 9/3/3. The teams would probably alternate which Night they can kill to keep the death ratio down. 12/3 looks pretty steep for a single mafia team.

 

So the Vikings or the Greeks, you say?

 

Me, Lewis and Darthe. All scum?

 

12/3 isn't that bad if they're all roled up, especially with a vig in play.

 

And yes I think it's Vikings or Greeks.

Considering Greeks seem to be taking a back seat I think it must be you guys.

Darthe has played a good game since he came in but that really doesn't mean anything, just that he's a good faker.

You caught pressure early and flailed, should have helped roast you but I was being too cautious at first and didn't want to take a stance.

And Lewis over there is the one that's giving you guys away. He claims I'm on a team with Darthe and that I was trying to take out an inactive teammate to gain town cred but instead of going after Darthe, the scum, to prove his theory he's attacking me so that he can keep Darthe alive and say oops must have been wrong afterwards. If he really believed we were teammates he would have just helped me vote off Darthe and then moved on to me. His actions don't match his words.

 

1) No chance in hell the entire mafia is on one QT.  That would be an absolutely broken setup and you know it.

2) No.

3) I've played a damn good game.  Everything past that that you just said is you trying to convince yourself of something to fit your theory and I will not be dying for that nonsense.  Critically think about that setup and tell me if you can honestly imagine it working?  All it would mean was that if one or two mafia was caught the game would be over and that you could clear three people at a time by lynching one of them.

4) Yes you should have.

5) Lewis is prob scum.  I agree, his play is less than town.

 

 

 

Actually Tress I am suggesting that We have a 2 1 1 setup where 1 QT has 2 mafia, two have one and two have none.  Or 1111.  I really doubt 22.

 

I think this one if the most likely.

 

Notice how AJ now supports the infiltration idea...but none of them want to vote their supposed traitor Darthe. They want to lynch me.

 

This is game over already.

 

Yupp, I think it is at least clear that my QT has a scummer in it.  

 

If I was pushing for you, why is my vote on Dice? Your paranoia is misguided.  Sign of a guilty conscience.

 

Also, I believe Darthe is scum, and not just because he's bragging about it on our QT.  But it doesn't matter what I believe or what AJ believes, it matters what I can prove to the town.  Right now, you are 1/2 of the surviving Egyptians.  What we need to do first more than anything is figure out if indeed 1 scum on each team.  I wonder why it makes more sense to you that Darthe, AJ, and myself are scum rather than the possibility that your Egyptian partner is a rat. 

 

All this fluff about a 2 11 2 or 1 2 2 1 or 9 0 2 1 0 is only distraction.  Think about it if you were a mod.  How would you set this game up?  It would be completely unfair to a vanilla townie to be on a qt with TWO scum.  I'd be pissed if I found out that BOTH AJ and DARTHE were scum.  Having one on each team makes much more sense.  This is why the scum are so desperately trying to shake the numbers up. 

 

 

As I stated earlier though, it is possible that Nolder is town and really was just pissed at JackD.  I just find it curious that he isn't even considering his surviving Egyptian cohort as a possible scum.

The bolded parts.

 

Part 1) Is frankly shit.  I haven't said but three things on the QT today (maybe four including the AM) and only one of them was related at all to my alignment.  He called me scum and I said I was town.  Either AJ can confirm this or they are scum together meaning that even if I am lynched it will confirm him as LLL and then they both go down.  That is Lewis trapping himself.

 

Part 2) Directly conflicts with 1.  Either he is claiming that I am not mafia or he is.  

 

 

In any case I get enough from this one post to return my vote.

 

unvote Vote Lewis