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  On 4/2/2014 at 8:30 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 4/2/2014 at 3:23 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 4/2/2014 at 3:14 PM, corycurren said:

Thing that really locks me clear on Clarthe is his reaction to the Jack/Amega exchange that was somehow genuine.

 

Clarthe points how fake it is on both sides - which it seemed to almost everyone ATM - and uses that to try and bury SH rather than to try and make a case on ES, which would have had credence. With both flips known... This is sorta a big deal :D

 

Killing ES was a major mistake by the Maf, which makes me wonder of the killer got redirected or something of that nature. ES would have been a major distraction today and probably a mislynch, and bodyguards aren't super PRs the way doctors are.

 

Mafia didn't NK ES

 

Pretty much confirmed that they didn't incidentally, since ES flipped as a powered BG of some kind. Had mafia targeted them with the NK, most likely they would have died along with them.

 

ES prob just wisely chose who mafia was gonna NK. I'm thinking they went for WiFuM imo. Notice how J-TAG didn't really put out any posts mentioning or responding to Ithi or Turin? They prob thought they were gonna be dead soon.

 

Pretty sure they didn't try targeting us

 

But yeah, Clarthe is close to (or wait mebbe already is on mah list  :unsure: ) LOCK CLEAR

 

TMI?? NK spec is muddy at best. Really not liking how you are trying to push the angle that WiFuM was the likely NK target and how you're trying to tie it to me.

 

  On 4/2/2014 at 4:24 PM, Leelou said:

At that point, the ES looked bad. I was ready to at least vote them come morning from their play around the claim and lynch. They died and turned up what they claimed. You are blowing my posts right after a scum lynch out of proportion. 

 

I can agree, I would've likely lynched them too. I wasn't just talking about them though, or after their coroner was finally revealed.

 

What happened to the scum read you had on CRUNK when someone listed them with ES and SH as the mafia team?

 

 

Reads change after flips, still not 100% sure on Crunk. ATM your team is sticking out more right now surrounding the lynch yesterday. I *should* have actual internet starting tomorrow so I'll be able to actually pick apart the thread then. 

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  On 4/2/2014 at 8:30 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 4/2/2014 at 3:23 PM, Despothera said:

Mafia didn't NK ES

 

Pretty much confirmed that they didn't incidentally, since ES flipped as a powered BG of some kind. Had mafia targeted them with the NK, most likely they would have died along with them.

 

ES prob just wisely chose who mafia was gonna NK. I'm thinking they went for WiFuM imo. Notice how J-TAG didn't really put out any posts mentioning or responding to Ithi or Turin? They prob thought they were gonna be dead soon.

 

Pretty sure they didn't try targeting us

 

But yeah, Clarthe is close to (or wait mebbe already is on mah list  :unsure: ) LOCK CLEAR

 

TMI?? NK spec is muddy at best. Really not liking how you are trying to push the angle that WiFuM was the likely NK target and how you're trying to tie it to me.

 

 

And what is worse is that Despo conveniently "forgets" that I had mentioned my reads on Turin/Ithi multiple times.  Turin even joked with me about calling Ithi scummy and him reasonable. 

 

##vote Yolo

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Good evening.

 

Nice show.

 

I'd just like to put it out there - that if you've got a Role that could potentially block a kill and you don't know who they're targeting AND their not allowed to protect themselves, then it's probably best to not try and second guess who they're going to protect and instead just go straight in there for the kill.

 

Get them out of the way.

 

I think the Mafia team targeted ES directly.

 

Because yes - they were very suspect and yes, they might have got Lynched the next day - but that was never guaranteed.

 

And Jack's quite canny at Mafia. They got a twofer lol.

 

Yup - if you're worried about the bodyguard then just shoot the bodyguard.

 

There's a smart, forward thinking mafia team out there that saw Jack had the next day's Lynch all pegged out and then they could kill him, roll with that idea for a bit maybe - flip it onto someone else and see what happens. Because we'd all see Jack was down and go OMG he said AJ was mafia and he was Town so AJ must be Mafia. It seems like the AJ thingy is getting turned a little now though.

 

Now AJ might be mafia ... I never did get round to reading what Jack posted and it's nearly 10pm already - but I'm not liking the pile on and the hmmmmmm and the replay onto someone else.

 

It's all seeming a little choreographed to me.

 

And hey - I'm Town. I can say what I like without being worried about 'what people will think'

Posted
  On 3/31/2014 at 8:04 AM, Despothera said:

Alright so first let me say well done, people. Outstanding activity lately, and this game is a literal goldmine for anyone looking for connections. Additionally, this hydra thing is kinda neat because at times I've seen a Hydra head come in to damage control after their other head flubbed or something, and this is a different situation than most are used to. So you get to see some things you might not see otherwise.

 

Just gonna pump a SOC out first since there's quite a lot I caught up on, and will then knock out a WOT after. Might do a whole reread in fact.

 

So Strawhats claim Tracker. Boy oh boy there's a lot that looks weird about how his claim came out. A couple have pointed out the oddness in Jack voting then unvoting, how it looks staged. Well add to that that Amega tried looking all righteous about not claiming at L-2, yet acts all scrambly and goes "Oh noes! Don't lynch the Tracker!" when he gets one more vote from Jack. What was he expecting? That instant flip in his tone and manner just does NOT mesh with a townie mindset. If Amega was gonna act all cool for school and not claim at L-2, I don't see him getting all panicky with his claim at L-1. Moar like "W/e guys, I'm the Tracker" would be expected.

 

There's actually a lot of other irregularities and pings from them (like Amega's recent reread posts are crap), but I for one would rather set them aside as practically confirmed scum and lynch elsewhere. I'll point out some of the other stuff in my wot.

 

Let's see what else... oh yeah IThuirlliiann is #LOCK CLEAR, whether they want to be or not hehe. Seriously, I just love having a mafia rival, because the best case scenario is that both me and Turin are town, and then scum see us going @ one another and are all "Lol, Turin and Des are tunneling on each other again, yay for us!" and then can't help but nudging the action on, or say that one of us seems like scum but not sure which (in an attempt to keep town distracted and set up mislynches). Seriously such a great way to fish for scum while reaction testing Turin at the same time.

 

##Unvote WiFuM

 

Clarthe aint LOCK CLEAR btw. Threw that out as a reaction test, and both failed. Also wanna point out how funny it is that Ithi calls Cloud out for not saying scum enough, then when he starts going "scum scum scum" in his next post she pats him on the head instead of fos'ing him for it. LAWLZ. I'll go more into that later.

 

So I thought RTL might be a good place for scum to be hiding, since they seemed to nudge a bit early on, and plus RTE threw out a big post that tried being good... but wasn't. The reads post I mean. Was bad. Rull bad. However, like the theme of this game apparently, Lenlo came in to damage control and posted a VURRRY townie-looking catchup post. They're looking town now to me. Gj Lenlofinger.

 

J-TAG stinks to me. TG doesn't have much content yet what little he has isn't good at all, and he's usually pretty vocal as town. AJ is a mess. Normally I find that when he's town he thinks very similarly to how I think as town, catches some of the same stuff and has the same opinion on stuff. This game that's not happening at all. I find myself disagreeing with almost everything he says. As far as his vote on me, it's turrrrrrrrible. It's literally one of the weakest pushes in the game, yet he acts like he has very strong scum reads.... If that's the case why isn't he pushing his case on us harder? Why isn't he quoting us or pressuring us himself? Nope, his vote was little more than a snipe vote when he first placed it and he has left his vote parked there even tho Verbal and I haven't been active and there's a LOT of other stuff going on. Then you get his whole defense of Strawhats... yeesh. Steerrong scum read on J-TAG.

 

Lastly I wanna talk about the Evil Sibs. First I wanna say I am actually somewhat tempted to policy lynch them for not reading wots. Thing is, I understand the whole personal preference thing. But that only makes sense for why they themselves wouldn't post wot's, it doesn't explain why they wouldn't read them. Any answer for why they don't read them besides pure laziness is just wrong. When someone gives you a wot to peruse, they're giving you more chances to catch them possibly if they're scum. You can catch little inconsistencies here or there, or note where their reaction to something major is muted and buried between other fluff in a wot or something. Straight up not reading wot's is just antitown behavior, period. If you're not gonna read posts because they're too long than you're essentially saying you don't care that much to try and find scum. Moreover look at both of their reactions after others reacted to them not reading wots. Jack skims the wot and links Lenlo to me and Verb, and this is almost all that he gathers, that Lenlo is apparently defending us a lot. This blatantly ignores the fact that Lenlo called Turin and Ithi town as much or perhaps even more than he called me and Verb town. Selectively picking stuff out of a wot to try and fos someone for is a blatantly scummy move.

 

Lily otoh, says she doesn't read wots. Okay. Then Turin asks both Lily and Jack to see if Lenlo's reasoning makes sense, which is essentially just imploring them to read the post. Lily reacts extremely defensively, saying "How would I know if his reasoning is bad if I didn't read his post?" which is just a bizarre reaction, and not one I see any townie having really. Even someone that's lazy and doesn't wanna read will prob go "Bleh, fine I'll go read it and tell you what I think" or mebbe if they're feeling obstinate might say "Nope, not reading it" but to get defensive like Lily did? Nuh uh. I also thought Ithi had a good catch much earlier with the part about Lily saying she thought something was going on between us (us being WiFuM and YOLOHASHSWAG) which I agree, DOES imply collusion. Lily pretty much just tried retreating as fast as she could from that whole discussion. Incidentally, her original "Something looks like it's going on between them, not sure which is scum" is EXACTLY the kind of post I was referring to before, when scum are happy to nudge me and Turin @ one another more.

 

Lastly Lily has had some strange flip flops. I distinctly remember her way earlier in the thread defending Strawhats, yet she then starts saying they're scummy and even says she'd be willing to vote them while they are at L-2 because Amega had already had a chance to talk. So first of all what she was proposing would have been antitown, it would have been a semirushed lynch when there's still time on the clock to milk for this day. Second, why talk all tough? Why not just place the vote instead? It's because she was trying to build up the appearance that she def wanted them lynched. Looks like distancing to me. Another flip flop I noticed was that Lily earlier said she thought YOLOHASHSWAG seemed like scum, yet even tho Verb and I hadn't posted in a while, recently when commenting on Lenlo's reads she says she disagrees with his read on WiFuM and thinks they're scum. She doesn't comment on the town read Lenlo had on us. Wonder why that is...... oh yeah cause Lily is scum and can't keep her "reads" in order lol.

 

Okay, my consciousness is streamed out. Gonna shake twice and zip up my noggin before going back through to peruse everything. Ttfn!

 

:biggrin:

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 2:58 PM, Despothera said:

Conclusion: Purdy strong scumreads on Strawhats, Evil Siblings, and J-TAG.

 

Town reads on WiFuM, RTL, Sexy Sistahs, HaXorZ.

 

Juries still out on Clarthe, Spliffanity, PFG, and Crunk. Prob feel best about PFG and Clarthe out of that crew, but meh.

 

I'm thinking now that we got a claim out of Thane/Amega, we set him aside since he's tied to the claim anyways. His days are numbered if he's scum, which I still think he is.

 

Since we still got a lot of time, Imma go with ##Vote Evil Sibs.

 

These posts appear very good at face value. Very good.

 

The timing of these bother me though, as at the time SH had made their claim and now Despo swoops in to start the new wagon on ES. Saying that we can 'set aside' the others as more or less confirmed scum and lynch else where.

 

Sounds similar to a tactic I tried pulling once where I wanted to leave my Cop-outted teammate alive for another Day so town could lynch from a smaller suspect pool.

 

Didn't work out lol :tongue: Point remains though, I get the vibe here after reading over them again that Despo was trying to use some weight to turn the tides a bit.

 

 

 

The only thing that gives me real hesitance is his read on me and TG. It sounds pretty genuine, and I do find that a town!Des and myself meld pretty well in games. Haven't really felt that here all game, which troubles me.

Posted
  On 4/2/2014 at 8:45 PM, TGlems said:

And what is worse is that Despo conveniently "forgets" that I had mentioned my reads on Turin/Ithi multiple times.  Turin even joked with me about calling Ithi scummy and him reasonable. 

 

##vote Yolo

Didn't you call him French? Someone called him French.

Posted
  On 4/2/2014 at 4:20 PM, _CLOUD said:

 

  On 4/2/2014 at 4:00 PM, Andrej said:

I think if we lynch from the bottom up we will do well. Top 3 are all but conf-town IMO. Pral (of PFG's) opener didn't really sit well with me but I felt like he was making well Constructed arguments early on which gave me a town lean On him. Also of note, as Pointed out above, he did avoid the SH wagon and was on the last to join it (pot-meet-kettle, right?). SS girls continue to move up and down the spectrum for me. Sometimes I think they look pretty town, other times I think they look pretty scummy. Leelou gives me a rather bloodthirsty vibe in her more recent posts where she says Evil Sibs would've been today's lynch and then very happily joined the J-TAG wagon. TG and I are Called-Out-Promptly for my interaction around the StrawHats wagon which I can understand and accept, but our lynch won't achieve much good for Town.

 

For now I think PFG is the best wagon. As far as who that 3rd slot would be I'm still pretty unsure.

This post is such a big pile of hogwash. Your main scum read is PFG because he was avoiding the SH wagon but you were doing the exact same thing so why should he be lynched and not you? You admit that he was making well constructed arguments but you dimiss this in favor of your scum read from his opening post. You are reading SS as scum because of a "bloodthirsty" vibe that you got from them after reading their latest posts when they voted for you. This sounds more like an OMGUS reaction than anything else. You ending your post with a classic fearmongering statement "our lynch won't do much good for town" is the cherry on top.

 

 

I'm reading Cory, Verb/Des, Ithi/Turin and Hally as town. Verb seems to be pretty sure about Leelou being town and I don't like the way AJ went after her so I'm starting to lean town on her. I'm feeling good about a J-TAG lynch.

 

 

##vote J-TAG

 

  On 4/2/2014 at 4:23 PM, Despothera said:

Hmmm...

 

##Vote PFG

 

Interesting sequence here. @Des - why did you swap to PFG? Was it Cloud's vote or something else?

 

Bolded from Cloud's quote: Yes, their absence on the wagon until it was too close to DL for another lynch did look bad to me. As my partner has very wisely pointed out, however, with the role that SH flipped with I doubt bussing would've been a huge priority considering we were about to slip into Night phase with a NL. I am also aware that I am accusing them of the same thing I was doing, but hypocrisy doesn't make me scum. Like I mentioned in my first quote, pot-meet-kettle.

 

The bloodthirsty comment about Leelou doesn't have any correlation with the timing of her vote for us. I pulled a few quotes earlier to show an example of what I was talking about, most of which came before the start of this Day.

 

Regardless, even if it was an OMGUS reaction, does that make me scum? My personal opinion on OMGUS votes is usually that the person doing it is probably innocent. They are aware of their innocence, so therefore when they are accused they usually attack the attacker. It's pretty basic human functionality, both on an instinctual and psychological level.

 

I wasn't fear mongering :smile: I can see your POV, and that's fine, but that wasn't what I was trying to do. Lynching me won't help Town, it's that simple. I am Town, therefore by lynching me it will be detrimental to my team.

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For all that I like your reads I think your switch on PFG has been odd.  He is the better lynch than YOLO at the moment and above all I get the distinct feeling that your above statements in relationship to Leelou are put on.  Speficifally, in the passage you said:

 

"The bloodthirsty comment about Leelou doesn't have any correlation with the timing of her vote for us. I pulled a few quotes earlier to show an example of what I was talking about, most of which came before the start of this Day."

 

 

You use the word "us" when talking about leelou, implying that you have been discussing it with your teammate.  What about the above statement warranted discussion with a teammate before it was posted though?  

Posted
  On 4/2/2014 at 8:54 PM, Ithillian said:

 

  On 4/2/2014 at 8:45 PM, TGlems said:

And what is worse is that Despo conveniently "forgets" that I had mentioned my reads on Turin/Ithi multiple times.  Turin even joked with me about calling Ithi scummy and him reasonable. 

 

##vote Yolo

Didn't you call him French? Someone called him French.

 

 

Wasn't me.  I never called Swaggy P french.  You did the french meme for a bullet proof tho.

Posted
  On 4/3/2014 at 12:01 AM, Darthe said:

For all that I like your reads I think your switch on PFG has been odd.  He is the better lynch than YOLO at the moment and above all I get the distinct feeling that your above statements in relationship to Leelou are put on.  Speficifally, in the passage you said:

 

"The bloodthirsty comment about Leelou doesn't have any correlation with the timing of her vote for us. I pulled a few quotes earlier to show an example of what I was talking about, most of which came before the start of this Day."

 

 

You use the word "us" when talking about leelou, implying that you have been discussing it with your teammate.  What about the above statement warranted discussion with a teammate before it was posted though?  

 

I'll let AJ answer more about SS, but we've chatted about everyone so far. 

 

As for PFG, we have different reads and have all game.  AJ find Pral scumtastic, I don't.  After point out to AJ that Pral secured the lynch on SH though, he changed his read on PFG to fit mine.

Posted
  On 4/3/2014 at 12:06 AM, TGlems said:

I'll let AJ answer more about SS, but we've chatted about everyone so far. 

 

As for PFG, we have different reads and have all game.  AJ find Pral scumtastic, I don't.  After point out to AJ that Pral secured the lynch on SH though, he changed his read on PFG to fit mine.

 

Pretty much this.

Posted
  On 4/3/2014 at 12:01 AM, Darthe said:

For all that I like your reads I think your switch on PFG has been odd.  He is the better lynch than YOLO at the moment and above all I get the distinct feeling that your above statements in relationship to Leelou are put on.  Speficifally, in the passage you said:

 

"The bloodthirsty comment about Leelou doesn't have any correlation with the timing of her vote for us. I pulled a few quotes earlier to show an example of what I was talking about, most of which came before the start of this Day."

 

 

You use the word "us" when talking about leelou, implying that you have been discussing it with your teammate.  What about the above statement warranted discussion with a teammate before it was posted though?  

 

Nothing did. I hadn't discussed anything with TG about Leelou specifically except for maybe a generic read list or something along those lines. In that phrase you quoted I used the word "us" in the sense that you are speaking of (referring to myself and TG) but only use the word "us" over "me" because my slot is filled with two players. 

 

 

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  On 3/28/2014 at 5:06 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 3/28/2014 at 3:59 PM, Turin Turambar said:

 

  On 3/28/2014 at 3:36 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 3/28/2014 at 2:41 PM, Turin Turambar said:

## vote eradicate VD

 

For the general good

Hopping on the easy lynch. Good effort.

How exactly are you an easy lynch? Does Despo know you are AtE'ing?

 

 

Easy because it was called out in the signup thread, so it is easy to just jump on there as part of continuing the joke.

 

Also, it isn't AtE.  Kinda hard to toss out a mafia buzz word and make it stick on my 1 smart@$$ remark, dontcha think?

 

I still say this was a bit of an  overreaction to my vote. And that the use of the argument "it isn't fair that you trying to lynch me out of a signup thread joke" isn't playing the damsel in distress if you will. But this is just a small thing. Drat. I forgot to put in Maega coming to Verb's defense by asking me if I was serious about thinking Verb mafia. Or just being brash? Add in that Thane gave the "I think one of you is mafia and I choose WiFuM." Puts his statement into the take a stance and in time try to back track to "I guess it really was town v. Town". 

 

I really shouldn't do these MQ things. I should have put his response to my question to Des (which is not answered by Des so I will assume that Des is satisfied with Verb's response)  Anyway it is at the end I think. Basically I asked Despo if he was fibbing about us beng town (when he called us LC) or when he took it back by saying he liked to put false town reads out to "test" people. Verb said that initially they thought us mafia for the early voting incident. But then over time came to think we were likely town. I am wondering when that change occurred? These are a few of his posts from during the day and night. See what YOU think.

 

Okay here is a link to the post http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/88425-advancedexperimental-mass-effect-i-hydra-game-day-1/page-57?do=findComment&comment=3207905

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 6:46 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 6:42 PM, corycurren said:

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 6:40 PM, Verbal32 said:

Apparently Des and I disagree on the alignment of the WiFum peeps.  I think scum.  The idea to lynch me with signup thread reasons was and is still ridiculous......and they try to make me look like I'm using that to defend....when they used it to attack.

 

Crazytalk!

Des is doing that thing where he moves on from one scum that did something that made him think twice to another scum

 

it's not the worst habit

 

 

As long as he circles back to me, I'm good.  He took the damn car and I'm not walking!

 

This is where Corey pipes up by saying that Despo is actually faking his town read on us. This was not denied by Despo himself iirc. (looking at Despo next). I also find it odd that Corey is the one to put this out. Putting words in despo's mouth. Or at the very least inserting motivation to Despo's actions. (Despo never calls him out for this either to my knowledge). Verb seems pretty adamant that WiFuM is still mafia here. 

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 9:35 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 8:24 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

-YoloHashSwag (Despo, Verbal) Expected to see more after the weekend, and i was right. Don't agree with the read they have on Evil Siblings and us though.. get the feeling the follow the convenient lynch 'since everybody is going after them'. Would like to see more from Verbal 

 

You wanted more after the weekend, and both Des and I are back posting.  If you want anything further than that, you'll have to buy me dinner first.

 

 

 

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 8:44 PM, corycurren said:

Slot02 : YoloHashSwag (Despo, Verbal)

Slot09 : Clarthe (Cloud, Darthe)

Slot08 : Spliffanity (Krak, Dap)
Slot12 : HaXorz (Hally, Xthrax)

 

 
Slot03 : J-TAG (AJ, TG)

Slot04 : PFG (Pralaya, BFG)

Slot06 : Sexy Sisters (Tina, Leelou)

Slot11 : Straw Hats (Amega, Thane)

 

Slot05 : Release the Leno (RTE, Lenlo)

Slot01 : WiFuM (Ithi, Turin)

Slot10 : Evil Siblings (Lily, Jack)

 

 

I could rock this.  I like where your head is at.

 

This is less than 24 from deadline I believe and he is very happy to lynch us AND the dead bodyguards over the lynched mafia ALIEN(not just jailkeeper)

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 2:54 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 2:51 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Mod specifically said is experimental only due to hydras. That game itself is advanced but not fancy.

 

Nice nudge from leelou. So are we bussing straw hats then?

How do you know it isn't fancy?  You're making assumptions.

 

 

  On 3/27/2014 at 7:06 PM, csarmi said:

01. This is a normal mafia game. It should go without saying, but normal mafia rules apply unless I explicitly state otherwise. Do not cheat and do not make personal attacks.

09. This is an advanced game. Assume nothing. Focus on gameplay. Play to win.

Normal mafia game means informed minority vs uninformed majority.  Has nothing to do with # of scum teams or presence of something else.  See rule #9.

 

here he gives the "it's an advanced game. anything's possible" that is my interpretation anyway.

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 3:00 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Check the op of the sign up thread verb.

 

He never responded to this so here is the OP from the signups:

  On 3/15/2014 at 9:39 PM, csarmi said:

This game will be hosted by Csarmi and Chaelca. This is going to be an advanced/experimental game.

 


Experimental because this shall be a Hydra game. Most of the "slots" (possibly all of them) will be played by two players. They'll share a QT, vote, alignment and for all game purposes they will count as one player.

 

Mechanics of interest: hammer game (but no penalty on not achieving a lynch). Days will be as long as activity calls for, nights will be ~18 hours. Role claims will be possible, character claims or hints won't be.

 


The setup itself is advanced, but nothing very fancy.

 


My brilliant co-mod has prepared a nice intro which will be posted shortly.

 


We will need 12-15 slot worth of players. So about twice as that. You can choose your pair, but you aren't guaranteed to get it if there aren't enough players signing up to have full pairs. Please indicate if you'd like to go solo.

 

Note: hydras will have completely open communication with one another.

 

Game starts soon.

check the two bolded statements. Mine above and Csarmi's from the signup. So he is wrong but doesn't acknowledge it. 

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 5:23 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 5:00 PM, Ithillian said:

You were here and didn't move your vote. Why?

I was re-reading with an eye on the clock.

 

Ithi questions him on why he never moved his vote from Jack/Lily (now confirmed town). He doesn't actually answer the question. He is trying to imply that he would have moved "for consolidation" but does not say so. As TG pointed out earlier with no random there is very little reason for mafia to hammer their teammate here. Especially since there will be plenty of suspicion to go around for the no lynch. Keeping an eye on the clock could just as well mean Hoping that our PR doesn't get hammered.

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 7:21 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 7:06 PM, Jack_D said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 6:59 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 6:43 PM, Jack_D said:

Verb

1. We are a town body Gaurd. Our ability can't be affected by roleblocker or any other type of role

2. If we protect the correct person that is targeted for a kill we die instead

3. If we holster and we are targeted by a kill we die and so does our killer.

4. What's the problem with that? Everyone is licking their chops to run us up. And I've pointed out the different plausible scenarios.

Problem is you stating a convenient reason you are alive every day. Adding the incredible paranoid gun owner utility to a bodyguard is unique and I'm really not sure I buy it for a few reasons:

1. You and lily like to fake claim weird roles. A mishmash of 2 roles is weird.

2. The pgo part of your claim means nobody will NK you - just a little too convenient.

3. Add to that the fact that Lily is taking a backseat in posting for your slot is indicative of her not wanting to reveal too much and allow you, who has only been back for a short time, to take center stage.

Add all that up, and it is too convenient and too "weird".

A mafia jail keeper isn't?

A jailkeeper is not weird, no.

 

Here he is arguing the other side of the coin with Jack. That Jack's role is too weird to be in this game. Earlier he was arguing that since the game is Advanced/Experimental that basically nothing should be off the table. So why would he think that the roles couldn't be abnormal? 

 

And the dang question isn't even here. I will find the post and link it above.

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Des is doing that thing where he moves on from one scum that did something that made him think twice to another scum
 
it's not the worst habit

 

 

 
This is where Corey pipes up by saying that Despo is actually faking his town read on us. This was not denied by Despo himself iirc. (looking at Despo next). I also find it odd that Corey is the one to put this out. Putting words in despo's mouth. Or at the very least inserting motivation to Despo's actions. (Despo never calls him out for this either to my knowledge). Verb seems pretty adamant that WiFuM is still mafia here. 
 
 

 

 
This is where you prove to everyone that you are unable to read
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  On 4/2/2014 at 8:45 PM, TGlems said:

 

  On 4/2/2014 at 8:30 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 4/2/2014 at 3:23 PM, Despothera said:

Mafia didn't NK ES

 

Pretty much confirmed that they didn't incidentally, since ES flipped as a powered BG of some kind. Had mafia targeted them with the NK, most likely they would have died along with them.

 

ES prob just wisely chose who mafia was gonna NK. I'm thinking they went for WiFuM imo. Notice how J-TAG didn't really put out any posts mentioning or responding to Ithi or Turin? They prob thought they were gonna be dead soon.

 

Pretty sure they didn't try targeting us

 

But yeah, Clarthe is close to (or wait mebbe already is on mah list  :unsure: ) LOCK CLEAR

 

TMI?? NK spec is muddy at best. Really not liking how you are trying to push the angle that WiFuM was the likely NK target and how you're trying to tie it to me.

 

 

And what is worse is that Despo conveniently "forgets" that I had mentioned my reads on Turin/Ithi multiple times.  Turin even joked with me about calling Ithi scummy and him reasonable. 

 

##vote Yolo

 

Wanted to give my two cents here also. 

 

DESPO, you are absolutely wrong about your reasoning for how Jack/Lily died. Ithi has it right. They were more likely straight killed. ONE, they flipped strong-willed BG. The wiki has Strong-Willed as a role modifier that means they cannot be redirected or blocked. It says nothing about being an ELITE BG which is the one that would kill the assailant also. Either as the BG role or as an extra perk. I would guess most likely that Jack made up the kill ability to give the mafia pause. He seems a smart enough player to do that. Then he protected whoever he felt warranted it and the mafia shot him. He had earlier said that he couldn't self protect. 

 

Let me go look over some of Despo's posts now. I am sure that I will regret this. 

 

But for now ## vote verbathera

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  On 4/3/2014 at 1:10 AM, corycurren said:

 

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Des is doing that thing where he moves on from one scum that did something that made him think twice to another scum
 
it's not the worst habit

 

 

 
This is where Corey pipes up by saying that Despo is actually faking his town read on us. This was not denied by Despo himself iirc. (looking at Despo next). I also find it odd that Corey is the one to put this out. Putting words in despo's mouth. Or at the very least inserting motivation to Despo's actions. (Despo never calls him out for this either to my knowledge). Verb seems pretty adamant that WiFuM is still mafia here. 
 
 

 

 
This is where you prove to everyone that you are unable to read

 

Your line indicates that both players he is pointing at are mafia. Just switching along doesn't explain giving one a town read. So I may be mixing that up. Maybe we let Despo speak for himself tho and explain it. He can use small words so I will understand. It won't hurt my feelings any.

 

 

But Like Ithi said, I'm town so I can make a few more mistakes reading. It will be okay. 

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You're saying that I implied Despot was "faking his town read"

I was saying Despot was wrong for realizing you were town

 

I was wrong because thread

 

I'm okay with being wrong

 

I tire of you considerably

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  On 4/3/2014 at 1:26 AM, Turin Turambar said:

 

  On 3/30/2014 at 4:15 PM, Turin Turambar said:

 

Just a reminder of who was RIGHT on D1 and who was WRONG. 

 

:baalzamon:  :myrddraal:  :laugh:  :tongue:  :smile:

 

:moiraine:  :wub:

 

Yup I know I was. :P

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