[Advanced] Catching Fire mafia - Game over!

[Tyler Glembo]

 

Sorry I'm really pressed for time in my life ATM

Did X ever claim?

 

If so I can't find it right now (granted I hardly even skimmed)

 

But I think that's the best lynch for us today

If X flips mafia we know to look for the last mafia in the people not on the train. If X flips town then we know the mafia were probably on that train as they would of wanted a town lynch to occur that day.

People often ask what I mean by info lynches. This is one.

 

If I've missed something that mean this wouldn't work at all let me know. I'm kinda a mess ATM. I think I've been having an extended panic attack lol

 

I think this actually makes sense.  We're in a good position as town right now, and I think this would make a good info lynch.

 

 

And what info, pray tell, would you get from it.  Specifically.  And don't give me Daps line about lynching everyone on/off the train.

[Hallia]

If I agree with him, my reasoning's probably going to go along with his?  While working on being more vocal, if I see something that makes sense I'm not going to disagree with it or ignore it on principal just so you say I'm not 'sheeping.'  

[Krakalakachkn]

I'm abit at loss with Kraks comment about my policy-comment to Monk. Krak, do you think policy-lynching is a bad idea in general, or do you think lynching monk is a bad idea?

 

I haven't come down one way or the other about policy lynching.  I've seen styles of play changed over a…say, 5 arc game span once enough people started complaining and it was done without policy lynches.  I've never really jumped on the policy lynch train.

 

 

As far as Monk goes, I highly doubt he was doing anything but baiting.  He knows how to vote and was just posting a sarcastic response.  At least that's how I read it.  I'm not willing to policy lynch him for his play style, especially when I've only played two games with him.

[Tyler Glembo]

If I agree with him, my reasoning's probably going to go along with his?  While working on being more vocal, if I see something that makes sense I'm not going to disagree with it or ignore it on principal just so you say I'm not 'sheeping.'  

 

 

So let me get this straight.  You think that we should lynch X. If he flips town then we should just try and lynch everyone who was on his train.  If he flips scum, then we should lynch everyone who wasn't on the train.  Is that the "info" you hope to get from the lynch?

[BFG]

The bell tolls three times. Two screams echo on the wind.

 

 

This will go into effect in 17 minutes, I'd rather just do it a tad early so I don't forget again ;)

I was affected by this. I take one extra vote to lynch for the next 24 hours.

 

 

 

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[Tyler Glembo]

Hallia?  Hallia?  Hallia?  Hallia?

[Lenlo]

Hallia?  Hallia?  Hallia?  Hallia?

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[Hallia]

Sorry me and Davrick are playing Dayz. #don'tjudge

 

You think that we should lynch X. If he flips town then we should just try and lynch everyone who was on his train.  If he flips scum, then we should lynch everyone who wasn't on the train.  Is that the "info" you hope to get from the lynch?

 

I think if he flips mafia, then yay!  Win game*hopefully*  If he wasn't the last one I feel it's likely that his teammate(s) if any left wouldn't be on him.

 

if he flips town, it's likely that mafia was on him, and pushing him.  

[nervositee]

If I agree with him, my reasoning's probably going to go along with his?  While working on being more vocal, if I see something that makes sense I'm not going to disagree with it or ignore it on principal just so you say I'm not 'sheeping.'  

 

It's more the sheeping combined with the complete and utter lack of any "original content". And still, when you claim that "at last this game has your full attention" then you come with a "if you wanna lynch me go ahead"-baiting and a "I agree with this" and that's it. 

 

Also, your "We're in a good position as town right now, and I think this would make a good info lynch."-quote reads like you either know or think he will flip town. In which case it makes no sense voting for him. 

 

I don't really get what we would gain from lynching X (except if he is scum). We know a scum was on his last train and when the "plan" is out in the open the last scum will adjust their voting accordingly. 

 

Lastly, it seems like you knowingly act ignorant to the game-mechanics, just to gain some town-cred. There are two mafias left, first of all because it's usually 25%. It even adds up with 16 players (16/4 = 4). Plus the intro scene hints at the scum being the victors from district one and two. 

 

## Unvote

 

## Vote Hallia

[Xthrax]

 

Sorry I'm really pressed for time in my life ATM

Did X ever claim?

 

If so I can't find it right now (granted I hardly even skimmed)

 

But I think that's the best lynch for us today

If X flips mafia we know to look for the last mafia in the people not on the train. If X flips town then we know the mafia were probably on that train as they would of wanted a town lynch to occur that day.

People often ask what I mean by info lynches. This is one.

 

If I've missed something that mean this wouldn't work at all let me know. I'm kinda a mess ATM. I think I've been having an extended panic attack lol

 

I think this actually makes sense.  We're in a good position as town right now, and I think this would make a good info lynch.

 

Do you have any original ideas here or just jumping on what someone said?

 

If I agree with him, my reasoning's probably going to go along with his?  While working on being more vocal, if I see something that makes sense I'm not going to disagree with it or ignore it on principal just so you say I'm not 'sheeping.'  

Thats a convenient comment to to make it seem like you were defending but evading the question. Do tell, what are your own reads for everyone?

 

I freely admit that it was an oops with the vote thingy, so if you want to lynch me over that be my guest.  I'm vanilla town anyways.  

There has been very little to no pressure on you and you decided to claim. Coupled with your, come on lynch me-I don't care manner really pings. You are defending here but with just rhetoric. And over-defensive, wishy-washy manner at that.

Sorry me and Davrick are playing Dayz. #don'tjudge

 

You think that we should lynch X. If he flips town then we should just try and lynch everyone who was on his train.  If he flips scum, then we should lynch everyone who wasn't on the train.  Is that the "info" you hope to get from the lynch?

 

I think if he flips mafia, then yay!  Win game*hopefully*  If he wasn't the last one I feel it's likely that his teammate(s) if any left wouldn't be on him.

 

if he flips town, it's likely that mafia was on him, and pushing him.  

For one thing there are 4 mafia since going by the 25% rule, 16/4=4 mafia. 

 

Secondly, basically what are you and Dap are planning to do? Get lucky? Lets lynch a guy-if he's scum yay we caught one, now lets lynch all the others who weren't there. If he's town-lets lynch everyone, on his train. That is very absurd.

 

Sheeping an idea like that, hoping others will follow on is easily trying to not actually scum hunt and stay below the radar.

 

 

## Unvote

## Vote Hallia

[Hallia]

It's absurd unless I'm right, but we'll see.

[Hallia]

##Unvote

 

##Vote X

[BFG]

Quotes edited, blank quotes link to post I'm talking about, but had to many quotes inside.

 

After reading back through, these posts stuck out to me.

 

 

 

 

 

I would like to hard claim mafia and see what all of you do.

 

This claim may or may not be accurate and has no more weight than a claim of town, but let us postulate on what affect it has to make a legitimate null claim with a negative stigma associated with it rather than a positive.

 

Shall we?

 

The post that started the game. Darthe I agree that you have achieved what you stated as what you intended-to jump start the game & to get reactions. But I feel that a less chaotic-at-best start would have been. It started the game all right but not in a good way. Now there are two ways to look at it.

 

1. You as town just meant to start the game but chose the most chaotic way to do so. The best thing is to ignore it and go along with that game has started.

2. You as scum decided to go for a big gamble and stated outright that you were scum. Confusion was spread but most after commenting that it was bad way to start ignored it with no one voting you. But if you were scum this achieved the intent that you had-not be voted very early, cause confusion and be dismissed for a while.

 

This has caused considerable confusion but has also garnered reactions. It is a case of wifom-have you or have you not been telling the truth.

 

What am I going to do for now-it doesn't warrant enough for a outright suspicion on you but yes it will do good to see what follows. 

 

 

Filler post that rubs me the wrong way.  Mostly obvious info that allows X to fence-sit without taking a firm stance on the biggest interaction to date.

 

Yet Krak hasn't commented on Darthe comments at all before this.

 

 

 

I like the simple way this was laid out, don't think many buzz words were used. 

 

i agree with cloud.. and interesting point about the multiple two man teams for mafia.. that would be and interesting setup. 

 

Not sure if i read Dap as scummy tho.. 

 

Lenlo im also part of the train. any words about me or are you just interesting in nudging a lynch on krak, so you and your scum partners dont end up the nxt two lynches?

This stands out as Cloud isn't playing, can't see a breadcrumbs tho

 

 

We need another replacement. If anyone knows of any friends that'd like to play, please let me know.

 

 

##vote x

 

So Monk fixed his vote

 

 

Vote: Xthrax best target we have right now, as scum is lurking hard.

Random. We have a single day yet your attempting to start a new train. Seriously?

 

 

Vos started the X train

 

 

 

 

OK, scanning back through my notes from last night on Amega, X and Krak.

 

Since it looks like Amega can't defend himself at this point, I'm not interested in voting him today - many of the things I found reading through his ISO that pinged me don't necessarily indicate he is mafia, but stuck out as strange and I think he deserves the chance to respond in case I'm reading him wrong.  I've only played one complete game with him that i recall, and we were mafia together in that one - so I can't rely on meta to give me a good gut read here.   After day ends I'll take the time to go through and post a proper case and let him respond to see if he can ease my mind here.

 

X has been very inactive and hasn't contributed anything of note at this point - if I had to guess I'd say he probably is the one Mish and Des are looking for a replacement for.  My summary of his ISO:

 

* Says Hello

* Chimes in on book info with clock wedges, notes gamemakers spun the clock when tributes started to figure out the setup

* Tries to clarify who was affected by the first two wedges, asks for clarification if they can say what the effect is before it has passed

* Apologizes for inactivity - busy with school, will post as he can catch up

* Fence sitting on Darthe's "scum claim"

* Questions Darthe on why figuring out whether a scum claim is a town tell or a mafia tell is of benefit to town.

* States he doesn't think Csarmi's past town claims have derailed games, while Darthe's scum claim did, asks Darthe what he would have done if someone else had claimed scum.  States Csarmi's reads list is built on inconsequential things

* Asks Csarmi to clarify length of his double vote effect

* Suggests Csarmi's reads list should have more null reads... asks Csarmi if he dislikes Verbal nudging his scumminess because he has "hit the mark"

* Agrees with Verb that Vos's counterclaim to Dice is how to jumpstart a lagging day phase

* Apologizes for missing day deadline, misunderstood when it would be

* Wishes Verb to get well soon

 

There isn't much at all here, but what there is really doesn't look good - especially his interactions with Csarmi.

 

Krak has posted a good amount of fluff, but there were a few things that struck me as off:

* Here, his rationale for voting Csarmi struck me as a stretch - Csarmi pointed out that within the quote that he didn't believe Darthe had actually claimed anything, and later reaffirmed it, but Krak didn't remove his vote from Csarmi.  He was absent at the end of day phase with no comment or explanation.  

* Here, his after-the-fact explanation of his change of opinion on Csarmi comes across as a bit... convenient.

* Not fond of the aggressive tone of this post - the "alleged mason partner" and the OMGUS accusation directed at Len strike me as over the top.  I get that he's frustrated at DM not being cooperative with the attempted WoT, but... meh.

 

As it also appears Krak may have been affected by the one o'clock wedge I'm also hesitant to vote him without a chance to defend or claim, although I'd prefer him to Amega at this point since he has already had a small chance to respond to why he was being voted.

 

Of the three, Xthrax looks the worst IMO.

 

##Vote Xthrax

 

 

Oh wait, misremembered.  Krak is talking just fine.  Disregard.

 

 

Official Vote Count:

 

 

Krak (3): Lenlo, TG, Dap

Amega (2): Pral, Krak

Xthrax (4): Vos, Amega, Monk, Tress

 

Not Voting (7): Darthe, Xhtrax,  Verb, Time, Hallia

 

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140312T0001&p0=1375&msg=End+of+D2

 

So Tress's vote was the tipping point. Voted X because Krak can't defend himself, then realises mistake, but doesn't explain why she keeps vote on X.

 

##unvote ##vote Xthrax

 

##unvote ##vote Amega

##vote Amega

##vote Amega

##vote Amega

##vote Amega

##vote Amega

 

 

I feel like Pral is trying to tell us something.  I know he can only vote, but his continued persistence on the revoting Amega leads me to believe he knows something.  But we're getting closer to the deadline than I'm comfortable with.

 

Vote Xthrax

So Hallia misvotes on the same page and while mentioning Pral's voting pattern? Not sure yet what I think about it tho, just find it hard to believe.

 

 

At some stage, Lenlo posts that he had a Na misdirect during day, so I guess sectors are random as well with no day/night split.

 

End Day 2, watching Tress and Hallia

[Tyler Glembo]

Wow X, did you really just call Hallia out for sheeping while you took Vos's post just above yours and copied it almost word for word?

 

WOW

[BFG]

Vote Hallia

 

Essentially the argument's been made by TG, Vos and X. I'll add lurking, but pulling quotes will have to wait till tomorrow, but there are times when she's quick to respond to a joke but ignores other stuff.

 

Hallia - do you have any reads other than X, esp since you seem to be voting an info lynch?

[BFG]

grrrr

 

##vote Hallia

[BFG]

Will go through Day 3 tomorrow during lunch, but have to get to bed now

[michellem]

Official Vote Count:

Xthrax (2): Monk, Hallia
Hallia (4): TG, Vos, Xthrax, BFG

Not Voting (5): Dap, Krak, Tress, Len, Pral
 
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=1375&iso=20140318T0001
 

[Hallia]

I recognize that my play isn't the best.  I'd say one of the quieter people.

[dapianoplay3r]

I read that as those on X's last train, the one that led to a no lynch.

This

I was meaning the train from the no lynch day.

If he is town then I think the mafia would of been on that lynch cos it was an easy lynch to make happen (only needed another vote). It would be stupid for them to have a player off the lynch and let it go to a potential random.org

If he was mafia then I see the value in them staying away. They can't afford to lose another member. A potential random lynch was worth the risk there.

 

##vote x

For info, competing trains, and being scummy

Sorry for the bad brief post. I'm still in crits

[Xthrax]

Wow X, did you really just call Hallia out for sheeping while you took Vos's post just above yours and copied it almost word for word?

 

WOW

Nope, I didn't-read closely. What Vos said was about her sheeping and mafia number which I've said. The rest of what he said consisted of how she might know my alignment and what would they get for voting me.  The rest of what I said talked about her defense, her evasion and responding with rhetoric instead of logic and her very early claim and don't care manner. 

So if you notice, it wasn't 'word for word'

[Songstress]

 

Wow X, did you really just call Hallia out for sheeping while you took Vos's post just above yours and copied it almost word for word?

 

WOW

Nope, I didn't-read closely. What Vos said was about her sheeping and mafia number which I've said. The rest of what he said consisted of how she might know my alignment and what would they get for voting me.  The rest of what I said talked about her defense, her evasion and responding with rhetoric instead of logic and her very early claim and don't care manner. 

So if you notice, it wasn't 'word for word'

 

 

I'm gonna say close enough.    Vos mentioned the "come on lynch me I don't care manner" bit also.  It really was strikingly similar.

 

I'm torn here, because there have been some good points made about Hallia's lack of content in this game - she voted Dice with no reason given, voted TG following on Krak's logic, tried to suggest Pral had info on Amega but voted X for consolidation (with the oft noted incorrect formatting that prevented the lynch from actually going through), suggests she wants to vote Monk for the same reason Vos suggested - but doesn't... claims vanilla town, agrees with Dap's suggestion of X as an "info lynch", defends herself a bit, and finally votes X.

 

I'd really like her to give a full list of reads - she's been brought up several times this game for not contributing, and I'm still not seeing the effort I know she can put in as town.

 

X on the other hand has stepped up his contribution, at least - albeit aside from his self-defense and his reads list, what we have had since the near-lynch experience is a vote on Monk (and that's a fairly easy choice due to his unabashed lazy play), and an almost perfect parroting of Vos' case on Hallia.  I'm never comfortable when someone is almost lynched and squeaks out of it without us learning anything, even a claim.   I feel like we're missing critical information here.

 

For now I will ##vote X - although with 17 hours to go I'm willing to switch to Hallia.  Both are at L-2.  Will be on in the morning before work.

[Tyler Glembo]

 

Wow X, did you really just call Hallia out for sheeping while you took Vos's post just above yours and copied it almost word for word?

 

WOW

Nope, I didn't-read closely. What Vos said was about her sheeping and mafia number which I've said. The rest of what he said consisted of how she might know my alignment and what would they get for voting me.  The rest of what I said talked about her defense, her evasion and responding with rhetoric instead of logic and her very early claim and don't care manner. 

So if you notice, it wasn't 'word for word'

 

 

I said "almost word for word."  Which you did.  You have a very short time to claim or do something noteworthy or I'm switching my vote and putting you at L-1.

 

Cases on both you and Hallia are solid, IMO, and I like what Tress had to say, especially about how you snuck through without a claim.

[BFG]

 

Jesus Christ, facepalm.

If that was to me

I live in a different time zone and work Tuesday nights. Wednesday is a late start for me due to working till past midnight after being at uni from 8:30.

I'm sorry but I'm not the only one around

 

 

 

Seems a little defensive, but had left his vote on a viable lynch target.

 

Okey - I thought about playing it cool - but heading to bed now, and thinking about it, I think I'll just toss out the torch, get this party started. Would still like everyone to post some reads, but first of all:

 

Verb is scum. Probably the roleblocker. Darthe is town. 

Verb visited Darthe and Amega tonight. 

 

## Vote Verbal

 

 

I think getting it started is the best move!

 

##Vote Verbal

 

 

I did it right this time!

 

Ok, this is one of the examples of Hallia's lurking. Hallia's vote came 3 minutes after Vos's statement (which is actually close enough to make me think it was coincidental).

 

In general it also struck me as odd that nobody stopped to think about other alternatives. I can think quickly of a role that visit 2 players that isn't necessarily mafia-aligned (redirector). Additionally Verb was on some people's town lists, it just seems strange.

 

3. Darthe: Baffling. Supremely unhelpful. Appears to be phoning it in right now.  Unfortunately this does not mean anything when it comes to his alignment, so... meh. Will see when we find out what Verb is whether he looks to be likely town.

 

5. Xthrax: Specifically, I didn't like that he was pressuring Csarmi about not having enough null reads in his list - usually fake reads lists include too many nulls as mafia tries to avoid taking a strong position on other players.  I also felt the questioning about whether he disliked Verbal's nudging because he hit a mark was scummy.  I want to revisit my thoughts on him later once he's given his reads, and once we see what we have in Verbal.

 

 

 

10. Verb: In my quick first impressions list I had a "nebulous good feeling" about him - I started reconsidering that pretty quickly.  I really had a hard time believing that Verb wouldn't have considered the likelihood of a silence effect. Vos is a newer player and may not have been in or read many games where there's a silencer, but I usually expect Verbal to have a better grasp of game mechanics than I do.  I look forward to his flip, which will most likely revise my opinions about some of my other reads.

 

So what does Verbs flip tell you about X?

 

 

Btw, what does Oracle do?

Most of the time they get to ask the mod questions about the set up of the game. There is usually some form of restriction like yes/no questions or only 2 questions per game.

 

##vote verbal

 

I believe that puts him at L-1 ATM

 

Lol

 

Hallia you really, really need to be giving reads!

[michellem]

Official Vote Count:

Xthrax (4): Monk, Hallia, Dap, Tress
Hallia (4): TG, Vos, Xthrax, BFG

Not Voting (3): Krak, Len, Pral
 
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=1375&iso=20140318T0001