[Advanced] House MD Mafia - Mafia Victory!

[BFG]

That still doesn't make much sense.

 

How does killing AJ set up people who were pushing him as mafia?

[dicetosser1]

because people have a knee jerk blame reaction

[Tommyrod]

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[keyholder21]

It's snowing and I have a sick baby. Joy.

 

At least it's still the weekend.

 

Happy Sunday everyone!

[Tommyrod]

Happy sick baby!

[Tyler Glembo]

 

Scum team: Hallia, Lenlo, Dap.

 

vote Hallia

Why Hallia over Lenlo?

 

 

I want to push Hallia and try to figure her out. 

 

 

Be...cause I'm voting for him? That seems silly. You wouldn't vote someone you didn't think was mafia end of story. I have dodged nothing. If you have a point ask it instead of trying to paint me in a bad light.

 

Scum often vote those they think are town.  I'd gain say it happens more often than not.

 

 

Nudge from Peace that Hally is scum without actually saying it.

 

 

Despo, care to comment on why Darthe is still alive?  Did you take the shot at him last night?

 

You thought he was really claiming vig? 

 

 

Yes, I did. 

 

Caught up. Mish and the way she's pressuring Hallia def seems townie. Hallia also only responding in kind of sensitive tones, mad @ Mish for saying she sheeped me with her vote, looks like she is operating on the assumption that Mish is town, instead of seeing if Mish is doing what she's doing from a scum perspective. So there's that.

 

I'm also strangely divided on my stance on Dap. His tone was good in his wot's early on, but then he did vote TG while nudging the Pray lynch, which considering my town read on TG makes him look bad. He says he did so out of interest of competing trains, but obv this could be him hiding behind his meta. OTOH, Wombat seems scummy as well to me lately, him voting Dap today doesn't seem like a bus or distance move so eh.

 

Oh yeah. I kept saying over and over I was shooting Darthe for reactions. His own especially, but also others as well. People like Tommy passed the reaction test. Turin did not, and I think he is the one who is hiding behind meta by tunneling on me this game. Seem to recall a somewhat TMI'ish post of his leading up to Pray's lynch. Will have to look back for it when my connection issues get better.

 

And no, I wasn't lying when I said I could vig someone. Just chose not to last night.

 

Ok.

[Darthe]

@BFG you quoted me but your question seemed directed at Mish only.  Anything you were trying to ask or was it just to validate your statement?

 

Btw, town read on BFG

[Darthe]

@TG I still don't think his claim was honest.  It had no merit.

[BFG]

@BFG you quoted me but your question seemed directed at Mish only.  Anything you were trying to ask or was it just to validate your statement?

 

Btw, town read on BFG

 

This one?

 

It was actually to Dice, see third quote.

 

 

 

 

Be...cause I'm voting for him? That seems silly. You wouldn't vote someone you didn't think was mafia end of story. I have dodged nothing. If you have a point ask it instead of trying to paint me in a bad light.

Question would appear to be why did you vote Pral if you weren't just sheeping Des?

 

 

 

Despo, care to comment on why Darthe is still alive?  Did you take the shot at him last night?

 

You thought he was really claiming vig?  

 

Hallia: Exactly what made you change your read on me? I want specifics, please. No twisting away with vague statements.

 

 

Peace, same for you. You gotta start giving some reasons dude.

 

 

With AJ flipping town, I feel even more sure about Dap. Pral will give good info on AJ indeed. What's that info now Dap?

 

Vote Dap

 

There were some things I was gonna reply to, but I lost my quotes, so later.

 

Oh, yeah. Des. I'm looking forward to hearing his explanation.

 

Care to explain how an AJ flip meant jack about Dap to you?

 

 

 

 

 

Could lynch Tommy pretty easily too.

Wolfy p0ast

 

 

I could vote you to and im no wolf. Your comment to des about just sheeping you to a win struck a nerve. I survived Thrawn remember.  I am tossing up a bit about both you and Des cause Des is giving me bad vibes but i cant finger why and i dont trust you Tommy.

 

will go read up on some people.

 

So who pushed the Andrej boat the most? Cause i think that was a very obvious "lets kill AJ and throw suspicion on such and such..." play by the mafia I dont think we just instantly assume anything cause AJ died

 

 

This seems an odd statement, so far Mish and Darthe appear to be the only things said in regards to AJs kill, care to elaborate on what you mean?

 

Emotions are weird things and are useless and we should all be robots for the better good

Tough week?

 

because people have a knee jerk blame reaction

So why are you going to look for the people that were pushing AJ?

 

Sorry for not editing anything, but I'm a huge rush. Will follow this up later

[hazelkrs1]

Back at work tonight

[peacesells]

 

 

Be...cause I'm voting for him? That seems silly. You wouldn't vote someone you didn't think was mafia end of story. I have dodged nothing. If you have a point ask it instead of trying to paint me in a bad light.

 

Scum often vote those they think are town.  I'd gain say it happens more often than not.

 

 

Nudge from Peace that Hally is scum without actually saying it.

 

Lol, what exactly did I not say?

[keyholder21]

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Wombat (2) - Tommy, Despo

Hallia (2) - TG, Mish

Dap (3) - Rags, Wombat, Peace

 

Not voting (7) - Turin, Hallia, Darthe, Dice, Dap, BFG, Lenlo

 

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

 

Deadline: Monday, March 3 @ 8PM CST - Countdown link

 

[TheRagnarok]

Man, this game is quiet.  Mom's been in town so I'll be back in full tomorrow.

[hazelkrs1]

Okay gonna try a full reread now... connection is still spotty fyi so might multitab it instead of doing actual quotes

[BFG]

 

Did anyone else read TG's diagnosis for CS replacing out as him having TMI? It looked awfully detailed for someone not in the know.

 

Yep. Looked really, really bad.

 

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Toss-up between Darthe and TG... But TG's post felt way more like a scumslip.

 

 

Vote TG

 

 

 

Ugh @ Des. He was bitching at your playstyle, you were bitching at him in general. I'm saying that's how it looks like to ME.

 

 

 

TG's whole "oh I think this is why Csarmi asked to be replaced"-thing. Seemed like a big case of TMI. Worse in my eyes than Darthe's "oh I'm gonna use this as a possible excuse to put my vote back". Not that Darthe is off the hook by half; but TG seems like more interesting fish to fry.

 

 Edited quote

BFG's #617; I found Csarmi null, leaning scum on AJ.

Mish can you explain how you could have Csarmi as null when you were voting TG for TMI regarding Csarmi subbing out?

[BFG]

 

 

Des looks really paranoid on a readthrough, salami looks sloppy and emotional as hell and I see mish going back to the mediator thingshe does. I would lynch any of them.

 

 

Peace, Turin, Mish, Wombat, Amega, BFG lock town.

 

Des, Len, one of TG/AJ lock scum.

 

The rest of you need to step your game up.  

 

You may as well go ahead and bookmark this post for endgame.

 

 

 

Speaking of which how many people has Des voted already?

 

Turin. Joke vote.

 

Checking in!

 

Vote Turin

 

Cause he's prob already tunneling me.

 

Early fishing vote

Bolded=buddying. First actual ping of the game. Let's start here.

 

Unvote, Vote Wombat

Scummy csarmi vote

 

My opinion is that when you're town, you tend to hurt town more than help it.

1. Coming from you, this is freaking hilarious. There's a reason your play gets compared to EP and Ley a bunch.

 

2. Just wildly untrue. I almost never lose as town, and when I do it's usually cause I was NK'ed early.

 

 

4. I don't even think you believe this.

 

Unvote, Vote Fishlami.

 

OMGUS amega vote

I'm FAR more often town than scum. It must be Darthe or Cloud you're thinking of, those dudes are ALWAYS mafia.

 

And you just started playing again after like, a year hiatus. Small sample size alert?

 

Also could be fake imo. Plus it's a nudge. Me no likee nudges.

 

Vote Amega.

A reasoned vote on Darthe

What what WHAT?

 

That's like the scummiest thing Ive ever heard you say Day 1.

 

And you're Darthe.

 

Unvote, Vote Darthe

Not to mention hundreds of nudges in between.

 

He isn't town. Nope.

 

vote Des

 

We got a bus vote over here

 

 

 

 

 

And he used obfuscating!

 

Omg so scummy. He is clearly trying to talk over our heads and look intelligent to make us think we need him.

 

So scummy.

 

So very scummy.

Darthe, when players are passive-aggressive and use it to try and discredit someone's case rather than responding to it, would you view that as scummy?

 

If someone had a reasonable case rather than a load of crock that they repeated until the dumber masses followed it I might care enough to axtually challenge their views. As things stand I am not worried nor was I. Ive said it a hundted times now, Des doesnt yet know how to play thus game like those whose names are remembered around here. It isnt a matter of his ability, it is in how he uses it and how well he can perform critical analysis.

 

FTP, saying something multiple times anx then pushing people to repeat it is not a high level skill. All that it ever convinces are newbies, skimmers, and people who dont have the ability to critically think. Why would I eved be threatened by that or waste my time catering to it? I would much rather find mafia in a logical and concise manner. If you need proof of this examine the last ten or so times that Des and I playdd together. Other than the few times that he annoyed me to the point that I dealt with him Ive done this exact same thing and HE is the one who ends up dead for it. Because that sort of play cant hold up over time withiut incriminating the one driving it. Because he plays to beliefs rather than logical conclusions. Because he never backs away when he thinks he is wrong.

 

That is a long answer that should finally precisely answer your question.

 

TLDR I dont view Des as a threat because his views dont hold water

 

 

 

Well Des I really hope you bring that same enthusiasm and self-starterish-ness to attempting to vig me.

 

 

People on Des are wasting time.

 

 

What made you change your mind Darthe?

 

 

Laya flipping town points to people like Wombat who pulled off the train and Lenlo who was on it late.  I feel pretty good about AJ, Tommy and Des being town which IMO says this is more likely to be a scum flip.

 

A mafia flip IMO clears Len and leaves Womby about where he is in my eyes.  Mostly I think it will point to TG/Mish for their attempts at detracting from the train a lot.

 

 

 

Despo, care to comment on why Darthe is still alive?  Did you take the shot at him last night?

 

You thought he was really claiming vig?  

 

Hallia: Exactly what made you change your read on me? I want specifics, please. No twisting away with vague statements.

 

 

Peace, same for you. You gotta start giving some reasons dude.

 

 

With AJ flipping town, I feel even more sure about Dap. Pral will give good info on AJ indeed. What's that info now Dap?

 

Vote Dap

 

There were some things I was gonna reply to, but I lost my quotes, so later.

 

Oh, yeah. Des. I'm looking forward to hearing his explanation.

 

Care to explain how an AJ flip meant jack about Dap to you?

 

 

 

Darthe can you explain how and why your opinion on Des changed? Especially given that you think he's lying about being a vig?

[BFG]

 

So who pushed the Andrej boat the most? Cause i think that was a very obvious "lets kill AJ and throw suspicion on such and such..." play by the mafia I dont think we just instantly assume anything cause AJ died

 

This seems an odd statement, so far Mish and Darthe appear to be the only things said in regards to AJs kill, care to elaborate on what you mean?

 

 

 

BFG  i know there was discussion around AJ and wondered who pushed it the most cause i cant remember and haven't gone back yet. As for the play bit that should be fairly obvious

 

 

 

BFG  i know there was discussion around AJ and wondered who pushed it the most cause i cant remember and haven't gone back yet. As for the play bit that should be fairly obvious

See I can think of a few reasons AJ might have been killed, but I don't understand why mafia would kill someone they were pushing as mafia, it removes one of their mislynch opportunities, hence can you explain further? Note, this also doesn't clear anyone who still thought AJ was mafia

 

 

 

im not thinking mafia was pushing aj  i think it was a townie and the mafia are setting them up.

 

 

That still doesn't make much sense.

 

How does killing AJ set up people who were pushing him as mafia?

 

 

because people have a knee jerk blame reaction

 

This sequence sounds like you were looking for something to say.

 

You're saying that the mafia are looking to set up the people that were pushing AJ as mafia and your explanation for why this might be a viable tactic is that people have a knee jerk reaction. Yet so far nobody has had that sort of reaction, so why start down this train of thought? This doesn't seem natural to me.

 

vote Dice

[dicetosser1]

because i started that train of thought right near the beginning of day? because the game dies on the weekend?

 

Whats the matter BFG? Worried someone pegged your thinking?

[BFG]

So, if you thought that mafia would push this line of thought, but haven't done so yet why prevent it by bringing it up first? Why not wait and let them reveal themselves?

[hazelkrs1]

Alright giving this a go. Not gonna spoiler it since it's smaller than my multiquote walls.

 

I think this is Wombat's first post of the game, and well this might be paranoia, but the "Raise your hand if you're a Doc!" part has me feeling weird. Almost certainly a joke, or at least disguised as a joke, but it also could have been a not-subtle fishing attempt. Additionally it could be seen as a breadcrumb for a Doc claim later, but Wombat is too good a mafia player to breadcrumb or soft claim Doc if he really was one. Anyhoo. He votes Lenlo (Lenlo responds immediately in a friendly manner, and Wombat has recently come to defend Lenlo as town, hasn't he? I know Tommy has... anyways this def leaves the door open for Wombat/Lenlo to be scum/scum.

 

Hmmmm... adding to this theory is the fact that Salami in his next post fos's Wombat for potentially fishing. I doubt the mafia team saw Salami as a real threat, and I don't remember any PR hints from him, so this could have been at least part of the reason Salami was NK'ed.

 

I believe this was Mish's OP. I still think that there's a ton of mock outrage in that post. I know she had recently railed off against people going one-on-one a lot, but after reading through me and Salami's early interaction, I don't think her tone was warranted at all. It never got personal, never got that heated. And Mish doesn't fos either of us either for possibly hiding behind meta or a gambit or anything, almost like she knew we were both town, so potential TMI alert. Didn't like her response to Darthe either, in referencing a game which really wasn't relevant at all to the situation that was going on.

 

this post was, where he rides Darthe's jock after Darthe said he'd be willing to lynch any of the three most visible players at that point.

 

Lenlo's #109 is really bad. He first says the thing between me and Salami was amusing, then +1's Mish's rage post about us fighting, even tho he again implies that the situation amused him. I could def see scum being amused with some town-on-town violence. Tbh, this makes a Lenlo/Mish scum pairing look less likely tho.

 

I forgot Kaylee was playing. Link isn't really important btw, I prob didn't need to link that at all lol. But yeah it feels like she's been laying low for a while after drawing some early attention.

 

When I first saw this post from Turin, it gave me townie vibes, since Turin was mentioning the more important things as well as pointing out smaller stuff, which town!Turin will def do in games. However in retrospect I don't like the post nearly as much, as it has some weak fos points (stretch armstrong woulda been proud), a lot of fence sitting, and some opportunism as well in his fos on TG. Altho I feel worse about my town read on TG than before, still looks like a weak point to have started the push on him (pretty sure Turin was the first to fos TG on TMI about Salami ragequitting). At the very least I highly doubt Turin and TG would be scum/scum.

 

Alright so actually I'm coming back to Darthe's infamous "If I see a bit more heat for voting her than removing it". So, I checked, and ONE person commented/queried Darthe about his switching his stance on Mish: AJ. That's it. The dude who was NK'ed and flipped town. So yeah tbh this actually reawakens my suspicions on Darthe. When pressed about this post, it took him forever to actually explain himself, and he pretty much resorted to using the same reasoning Wombat had already provided him (that he'd be worried about others chainsaw defending Mish). The fact that ONE person queries Darthe about his switch, yet Darthe cryptically comments about continuing to catch heat on his switch has me wary of him again. Makes me feel silly for clearing him based on my reaction test of him.

 

This post makes Mish a pretty good info lynch for today. She is the first to comment on Turin's fos of TG, has a pretty emo response to Wombat's vote on her, and later says she would vote either Darthe or TG but votes TG. If she flipped scum, it would add to the cases on Turin and Darthe, and would sort of spew Wombat clear as town. If she flipped town, then we won't know much more about Turin or Wombat, but Darthe would look slightly more questionable. That being said, her next post looks more feasible to me than it did initially. Looks like a true emotional response; when she fakes AtE, she tends to ramble a lot more.

 

Turin potentially chainsaw defends Darthe. He also says if you add in the CS thing (along with my conviction on Darthe's slip) that I am likely mafia, but didn't he originally say the spat between me and Salami didn't look staged? Eh just checked. He actually said it DID look staged initially, but Salami quitting out made him think it wasn't. However he follows this up by saying neither of us is cleared cause he had pings for both of us... I'm getting a bit too wrapped around this right now. I'll come back to this later if it clears up in my head or something lol.

 

Dap's first wot of the game. Initially didn't have much problem with it, and then just now I was thinking there might be a ping for saying the Pray/Salami thing looked contrived considering both have already flipped town. But on THIRD thought, this kinda makes it less likely that Dap would be scum. Why NK someone you've already laid the foundation for a future lynch on? And why NK AJ when you had earlier described an interaction they had with a flipped townie as being contrived, when this could come back and bite you in the ass? Him buddying me doesn't stand out at all to me btw, we both buddy eachother a lot in mafia games.

 

Alright that's just the first 10 pages. Here's how my feelings might have changed on some players from this so far: Mish is leaning more town now, she AtE's as scum but it's easier to spot- she usually rambles during it to make it look less believable. A few of her posts that had the terse and short tone within them makes me think she truly was irritated at the interaction. Regardless, during her defense she seemed genuinely emotional, which is a towntell for her. TG is looking less townie than before for some early posts that looked very opportunistic to me. Darthe seems scummy to me again, for responding all cryptically about others giving him flak for his switch, when in fact it was just AJ at the time. Kaylee is sorta back on my scumdar cause I forgot about her, which isn't a good sign.

 

Back with more in a bit, hopefully I'll be able to finish this tonight. This method takes a lot longer.

[hazelkrs1]

Lol Kaylee got replaced, THAT'S why I forgot about her roflmao. Whew @ my brain after 5 days off

 

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

So who pushed the Andrej boat the most? Cause i think that was a very obvious "lets kill AJ and throw suspicion on such and such..." play by the mafia I dont think we just instantly assume anything cause AJ died

 

This seems an odd statement, so far Mish and Darthe appear to be the only things said in regards to AJs kill, care to elaborate on what you mean?

 

 

 

BFG  i know there was discussion around AJ and wondered who pushed it the most cause i cant remember and haven't gone back yet. As for the play bit that should be fairly obvious

 

 

 

BFG  i know there was discussion around AJ and wondered who pushed it the most cause i cant remember and haven't gone back yet. As for the play bit that should be fairly obvious

See I can think of a few reasons AJ might have been killed, but I don't understand why mafia would kill someone they were pushing as mafia, it removes one of their mislynch opportunities, hence can you explain further? Note, this also doesn't clear anyone who still thought AJ was mafia

 

 

 

im not thinking mafia was pushing aj  i think it was a townie and the mafia are setting them up.

 

 

That still doesn't make much sense.

 

How does killing AJ set up people who were pushing him as mafia?

 

 

because people have a knee jerk blame reaction

 

This sequence sounds like you were looking for something to say.

 

You're saying that the mafia are looking to set up the people that were pushing AJ as mafia and your explanation for why this might be a viable tactic is that people have a knee jerk reaction. Yet so far nobody has had that sort of reaction, so why start down this train of thought? This doesn't seem natural to me.

 

vote Dice

 

 

This is actually a pretty good point. Dice immediately goes to suggesting it was a frame job NK, which actually doesn't make a ton of sense. Salami/AJ wasn't one of the countertrains at the end of the day, and there was never really a serious train on either Salami or AJ. More importantly, there wasn't much discussion around AJ at all, def not like the discussion around the other prominent players this game.

 

To me it looks like Dice was trying to distance himself from the NK by acting like he thought it could be a frame job, while also introducing some wifom for town.

[hazelkrs1]

Bleurgh deadline is in 15 hours. Don't have enough time to do it this way if I wanna finish my reread. Gonna just breeze through it without comment, will save my thoughts for after. Damn DM weekends.

[hazelkrs1]

Sooooo many players not voting. Get your act together peoples.

 

Speaking of, how is it that no one has voted Lenlo today? I forgot how scummy he looked, during reread he is looking purdy stinky.

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

TG, go ahead and "catch up" on everyone else in this game. It's laughable to ask me if I'm blind when you said absolutely nothing about the "a lot of gameplay" that happened between you buddying and then voting for Darthe.

These are the only stances of yours I can discern from your threadplay:

-Des was scummy, now town
-Salami was townish, now AJ is scummy
-Darthe was townish, now Darthe is scummy

The only one that appears to be unique to you is your defense of Salami. Your comments about both Darthe being scummy now and AJ being scummy now are BOTH things Des said first. So it looks like you're not trying to figuring out anyone's alignment by yourself, but are just following general consensus... or just following Des, really.

 

 

So where is it? What happened that changed your mind, and where? Point it out. Show me the thought process. You're not DOING, you're FOLLOWING. And very conspicuously at that.

 

 

 

1) CS and Despo went back and forth early game and CS quick claimed for a trumped up reason (Pral's joke was def not an LD, IMO).  I would have expected Despo to go after CS, HARD, which would be consistent. Instead Despo didn't.  I immediately figured something was wrong and called it gambitty and scum/scummy.  Darthe agreed.  Hence, CS & Des scum and Darthe town.

 

2) I realized that the difference is that CS didn't claim VT.  THerefore, my read was off because I misinterpreted the situation.  Thus, CS goes to a town read, Des goes to null, and Darthe loses his town cred.

 

3) Despo and Darthe go back and forth.  Despo makes a good case on Darthe which I agree with.  Despo gets town cred and I sheep my vote onto Despo.

 

4) Despo also pointed out the scumminess by AJ.  I found this to be a better case than what he made on Darthe but I still have CS with town lean so overall I'm not going to put my vote here. 

 

This was my thought process.

 

 

This was one of the posts that gave me a good townie vibe from TG btw. He explains himself fairly quickly after Tommy asks a direct question, and makes his reasoning pretty transparent.

 

 

unvote, vote Lenlo

 

Lenlo is scum. 

 

 

I explained why I deleted it.  A Mod came into the thread to comment right after I deleted it.  It was explained by others that it had to do with something out of game.  And you still come in and try to bury your vote on me. 

You got abit more than just im scum? You can explain why you deleted it all you want, you could have just edited it instead but you chose to delete. Seeing as how I cant go back and look at it since its deleted I also cant verify how much of it was worthy of being gotten rid of. 

 

Besides your deletion isnt the only reason I voted you. I mentioned it because it was worth mentioning it but it is not the sole reason for my vote.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vote TG

 

2. I posed this question to you earlier, but here again you are saying that because CS claimed town over VT that this makes the sitatuation different. How exactly? It's still a town claim no matter how you chop it.

 

4. So you think that Despo made a strong case that I am scum versus Darthe, but you vote on the bigger train anyway because my prior slot holder was a town lean? Nah man...

 

I answered above.

 

And yes, I'm going to vote based on total body of my thoughts.  So too bad if you don't like the fact that I'm not voting you.  Either way, Lenlo just came in with the scummiest posts overall, so my vote goes there.

 

*shrug*

 

Alright. I completely disagree and think your just shooting for what you believe to be an easy target, but its your vote.

 

Now if youll excuse me im gonna go back to joking. Twas more entertaining than arguing with you.

 

And these two posts just reaffirmed my scumread on Lenlo. Bolded in first quote shows Lenlo LITERALLY didn't even look out for the post or anything, because it WAS edited, not "deleted in it's entirety". Had he actually been following up on something he might have maybe actually tried LOOKING for the post to see what others might have been talking about (obv you can't find a post that isn't there, but using context you could at least see where he might have posted then deleted it). Lenlo was just parroting what others said about the situation without actually looking into the matter himself.

 

Bold in second quote is gross- Lenlo had no other votes on him at the time. How was TG going for an easy target? Again, I think Lenlo was just parroting what he heard others saying to try and blend in.

 

Underlined in second post tho is revolting. Lenlo trying to scurry off instead of getting caught in a protracted argument. Blatant attempt at trying to fade back into the shadows.

 

Screw it. My Wombat read is slightly muddled with Dap looking slightly worse, my Darthe read is back to scum but eh, and I've flipped on Mish a bit as well.

 

Lenlo hasn't looked any cleaner to me at all on reread so far. Time for a fire drill!

 

Unvote, Vote Lenlo.