[Basic] The Matrix - Game Over

[Darthe]

Lol I was totally onto Luci.  Sorry I was away all day everyone my internet died last night.

[Luciena]

Sorry I killed ya! Lol ;)

[nervositee]

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I think I've got Nerv mostly in my pocket after our little rub-in.

 

 

*mumbles at AJ* 

 

 

Good game everyone, congrats to scumteam! 

[hazelkrs1]

lolmod

 

FYI, I know it was classless of me to troll the thread after my modkill. For that I apologize. Completely inexcusable.

 

But I def wasn't "flying off the handle" before that, and DEF shouldn't have been modkilled just cause I was complaining about the short deadline. That was a complete joke, and any in agreement with the move only agree cause they think I'm an ass, and while they are partially right this doesn't mean I was deserving of a MK in this situation. Had the deadline not been so unreasonably short, Darthe may have realized that he needed to vote and would have hammered someone, prob Luci ftw. If not, X would have gotten on not too much later and hammered Tina, in which case we would have lynched Luci the next day. Nolder basically handed this game to the mafia with how he handled everything towards the end.

 

Of course it is prob a pain in the ass for him to deal with me, cause I have complained a lot about other questionable moves from his as a mod in the past, and yes I should just keep my mouth shut more often, I'd prob have a much cozier reputation. But what can I say? I get emotional, and then sometimes rant on a bit too much. It's a definite personality flaw, and I do try and work on it. But I don't think being blunt and quick to state my feelings makes me an ass, it just makes me irresponsible. I don't have any personal dislike for Nolder as a person, so I obviously shouldn't be as hard on him. But me stating my true feelings is just that- and if those feelings cause others heartache, that is not my intention. I lack tact occasionally, but that doesn't make me a loose cannon that needs to be modkilled at the drop of a hat. I complained about Nolder's modding a lot more last game I was in, but because I was scum he apparently never wanted to modkill me. And then he even admits that he would have modkilled Luci's slot had it been town.

 

So come on people.... you really still think I was the one who was more out of line here? If you seriously still believe I should have been modkilled, then w/e GG I guess. But don't try to act like you're looking at the situation objectively then.

 

Okay, prob didn't need to rehash this but w/e, I felt the need to defend myself. Nolder, I'm still cool with you as a person, but yeah I just don't agree with a lot of things you've done as a mod, and occasionally as a player. I'm not saying I'm perfect either fyi. Hope you don't still harbor too many bad feelings towards me. Toodles.

[Niniel]

Grrr.... I went after Luci for three days! I guess I looked too scummy to be trusted. AJ buddied me too much. lol 

 

Thanks for the game, Nolder. Well played, mafia. 

 

Golden choose the right people on both N1 and N2. That´s impressive. 

[Nolder]

You have a case that your actions in -this- game perhaps may not have warranted a modkill.

At the very least perhaps I could have given you a warning. I admit my patience with your behavior had ran out. 

You've been severely and I believe in some cases unfairly critical of me and my games for some time now and frankly I'm done listening to it.

You don't like my games and you don't like me as a mod. You have made that abundantly clear to that point that I no longer want you in my games, not even for one more second.

 

As for being reluctant to modkill scum. Yes I am.

I'm not sure what relevancy that has. Modkilling someone on a 2-5 man team is significantly more damaging than modkilling someone on a 7-15 player team or w/e.

Mafia is in many ways a game of numbers and the fact is town can afford to lose more than scum.

[Xthrax]

Good game everyone!! Congrats scumteam

 

Thanks for the game Nolder.

 

Golden really did well.

 

GG Town

[BFG]

Actually Nolder, I disagree that Town can afford to lose more (in general)... Given the mafia's inherent advantage with NK and knowledge, the advantage Town has is that they can afford 2 sometimes 3 mislynches in games this small. Modkilling town takes this away. If it's because the player has broken the rules that's fair enough, but in small games both teams need players, I don't think mafia deserve an advantage here.

 

But this was a good game, sad to miss playing.

 

GG all! Particularly Luci! Great game to come in in that situation and not be auto lynched

[GoldeneyesND]

I hated the modkill. It was a personal move and it punished town at a critical stage. If it were for breaking the rules, fine. But this was the equivalent of the ref giving  technical foul free throws with the offending team up by 1 and 30 seconds on the clock.

[WolfbrotherKronos]

I was still watching and wanted to apologize for subbing out.  After the accident I was pretty much in consistant pain all of the time and quite frankly stopped caring about the game.  Thanks for understanding this all - and a special apology to the mafia team, Luci, and Nolder, I put all of you guys in a tight spot, but thanks for understanding.

[hazelkrs1]

  On 2/9/2014 at 5:50 PM, Nolder said:

You have a case that your actions in -this- game perhaps may not have warranted a modkill.

At the very least perhaps I could have given you a warning. I admit my patience with your behavior had ran out. 

You've been severely and I believe in some cases unfairly critical of me and my games for some time now and frankly I'm done listening to it.

You don't like my games and you don't like me as a mod. You have made that abundantly clear to that point that I no longer want you in my games, not even for one more second.

In the same way that players should try and not let outside relationships or other things outside the game affect the game itself, the mod should do so as well. If you're allowing someone to join a game of yours, it shouldn't really come with conditions or a shorter leash or anything like that imo, since that would be preferential treatment to one of the players. If you think someone's history, whether it be their playstyle or what they said about you as a mod or w/e, makes them too iffy of a player to allow to roam freely, then you prob just shouldn't let them sign up for your game then tbh. And it prob would have been better for you to not allow my sign up in this game lol.

 

But yeah, I think it's best if I just stick to what I have said before and refrain from signing up for yours. Not trying to say that to stir the pot more or anything, and I don't really think any of my past criticism against you has ever been unfair (you've pretty much always admitted to your mistake at the end anyways), but it's prob what's for the best.

 

  On 2/9/2014 at 5:50 PM, Nolder said:

As for being reluctant to modkill scum. Yes I am.

I'm not sure what relevancy that has. Modkilling someone on a 2-5 man team is significantly more damaging than modkilling someone on a 7-15 player team or w/e.

Mafia is in many ways a game of numbers and the fact is town can afford to lose more than scum.

BFG kinda covered this already but yeah- MK's can be just as destructive to town as to mafia. Either way it's a huge influence on the game and should normally only be done under dire circumstances, but if it needs to be done it shouldn't matter whether or not the target is town or mafia. One of the things the mod should strive for most is impartiality, and keeping from giving any of the players preferential treatment.

[hazelkrs1]

  On 2/9/2014 at 7:42 PM, WolfbrotherKronos said:

I was still watching and wanted to apologize for subbing out.  After the accident I was pretty much in consistant pain all of the time and quite frankly stopped caring about the game.  Thanks for understanding this all - and a special apology to the mafia team, Luci, and Nolder, I put all of you guys in a tight spot, but thanks for understanding.

 

You shouldn't feel at all bad bro- real life comes over mafia every time, period. I hope you're feeling better dude.

 

[GoldeneyesND]

  On 2/9/2014 at 7:42 PM, WolfbrotherKronos said:

I was still watching and wanted to apologize for subbing out.  After the accident I was pretty much in consistant pain all of the time and quite frankly stopped caring about the game.  Thanks for understanding this all - and a special apology to the mafia team, Luci, and Nolder, I put all of you guys in a tight spot, but thanks for understanding.

 

Dude, you got in a friggin wreck, no apology needed and I hope you're feeling better. You guys even won!

[hazelkrs1]

  On 2/9/2014 at 7:36 PM, GoldeneyesND said:

I hated the modkill. It was a personal move and it punished town at a critical stage. If it were for breaking the rules, fine. But this was the equivalent of the ref giving  technical foul free throws with the offending team up by 1 and 30 seconds on the clock.

 

[hazelkrs1]

Hope others know about the hilarity of that moment. <3 Joey Crawford so much, even if he did once give Tim Duncan technical fouls for laughing on the bench rofl

[Luciena]

Dessy that made me dizzy!

 

Good game Nol thank you for letting me sub. I enjoyed it. Was expecting a speedy policy lynch by the way but didn't happen. 

 

 

Besides Mister Darthe and Tina no one else was too suspicious.

 

Feel proud of meself heh

[Niniel]

You should!

 

  On 2/9/2014 at 7:42 PM, WolfbrotherKronos said:

I was still watching and wanted to apologize for subbing out.  After the accident I was pretty much in consistant pain all of the time and quite frankly stopped caring about the game.  Thanks for understanding this all - and a special apology to the mafia team, Luci, and Nolder, I put all of you guys in a tight spot, but thanks for understanding.

 

I hope you will feel better! 

[BFG]

  On 2/9/2014 at 7:46 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 2/9/2014 at 7:42 PM, WolfbrotherKronos said:

I was still watching and wanted to apologize for subbing out.  After the accident I was pretty much in consistant pain all of the time and quite frankly stopped caring about the game.  Thanks for understanding this all - and a special apology to the mafia team, Luci, and Nolder, I put all of you guys in a tight spot, but thanks for understanding.

 

You shouldn't feel at all bad bro- real life comes over mafia every time, period. I hope you're feeling better dude.

 

 

This, a million times :)

 

Hope you're feeling better!

[Nolder]

  On 2/9/2014 at 7:22 PM, BFG said:

Actually Nolder, I disagree that Town can afford to lose more (in general)... Given the mafia's inherent advantage with NK and knowledge, the advantage Town has is that they can afford 2 sometimes 3 mislynches in games this small. Modkilling town takes this away. If it's because the player has broken the rules that's fair enough, but in small games both teams need players, I don't think mafia deserve an advantage here.

 

But this was a good game, sad to miss playing.

 

GG all! Particularly Luci! Great game to come in in that situation and not be auto lynched

I'm sorry but you're wrong. Even taking into account the mafia's inherent advantage with nightkills and knowledge (which I believe is unquantifiable) you still have to admit the town can afford to lose more people than the mafia. It is simple math. In a 10 person game (3vs7) if you kill 3 townies the game continues if you kill 3 mafia the game is over. I can see the argument that a modkill has more impact in a smaller game if that's what you're trying to get at but I hold to my statement that town can afford to lose more people than the mafia. As for giving the mafia an "advantage" in this game I don't see how that can be anywhere near applicable. Des was advocating to lynch (or mislynch rather) Tina. Had he been alive on the last day surely he would have continued advocating this. I also submit that no matter how you cut it the game was going to end when it did. Either in a 4 way lylo or a 3 way. 3 way lylo gives town the best statistical chance it is going to have to win. Just by pure numbers. 1/3, 33%. Or 1/4 which is obviously 25%, nearly 10% difference. But really that's neither here nor there because I would have modkilled Des whether he was advocating for a mislynch or if he had been on Luci all game. The decision was warranted and I stand by that as well.

 

  On 2/9/2014 at 7:36 PM, GoldeneyesND said:

I hated the modkill. It was a personal move and it punished town at a critical stage. If it were for breaking the rules, fine. But this was the equivalent of the ref giving  technical foul free throws with the offending team up by 1 and 30 seconds on the clock.

I believe it was a lot less personal than you might believe at first glance. Please review posts #592, #598, and #599.

I don't think any mod wants to hear that a player doesn't really care much about the game anymore nor do I think calling another player lazy is particularly acceptable. That's both on top of accusing me of intentionally sabotaging the town to end the game as quick as possible. My response was dismissive granted but I don't think such an attitude was unwarranted given what I was accused of. It was the best response I could give, practically a pep talk. But you know fairs fair right? Nope it's not enough, he has to get the last word. He comes back and tells me to screw off, telling me my deadline was unreasonable and that I was somehow emoraging. As absurd as that post was and putting aside the fact that it should have either waited for after the game or came in the form of a PM I could have ignored that. But he piles on the insults again in his next post. Now ask yourself, had he said the same thing about another player, about you for example, would I be warranted in modkilling him? If he had said kick me until my shins bleed if I ever consider playing with Goldeneyes again would you take that as a personal insult? Yes I was the one he was insulting and yes it was personal but only because he made it personal. It could have just as easily been anyone else he was talking to or about and I would have been just as justified in modkilling him.

 

  On 2/9/2014 at 7:44 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 2/9/2014 at 5:50 PM, Nolder said:

You have a case that your actions in -this- game perhaps may not have warranted a modkill.

At the very least perhaps I could have given you a warning. I admit my patience with your behavior had ran out. 

You've been severely and I believe in some cases unfairly critical of me and my games for some time now and frankly I'm done listening to it.

You don't like my games and you don't like me as a mod. You have made that abundantly clear to that point that I no longer want you in my games, not even for one more second.

In the same way that players should try and not let outside relationships or other things outside the game affect the game itself, the mod should do so as well. If you're allowing someone to join a game of yours, it shouldn't really come with conditions or a shorter leash or anything like that imo, since that would be preferential treatment to one of the players. If you think someone's history, whether it be their playstyle or what they said about you as a mod or w/e, makes them too iffy of a player to allow to roam freely, then you prob just shouldn't let them sign up for your game then tbh. And it prob would have been better for you to not allow my sign up in this game lol.

 

But yeah, I think it's best if I just stick to what I have said before and refrain from signing up for yours. Not trying to say that to stir the pot more or anything, and I don't really think any of my past criticism against you has ever been unfair (you've pretty much always admitted to your mistake at the end anyways), but it's prob what's for the best.

 

  On 2/9/2014 at 5:50 PM, Nolder said:

As for being reluctant to modkill scum. Yes I am.

I'm not sure what relevancy that has. Modkilling someone on a 2-5 man team is significantly more damaging than modkilling someone on a 7-15 player team or w/e.

Mafia is in many ways a game of numbers and the fact is town can afford to lose more than scum.

BFG kinda covered this already but yeah- MK's can be just as destructive to town as to mafia. Either way it's a huge influence on the game and should normally only be done under dire circumstances, but if it needs to be done it shouldn't matter whether or not the target is town or mafia. One of the things the mod should strive for most is impartiality, and keeping from giving any of the players preferential treatment.

 

It's very easy to talk about being impartial and not let personal relationships get in the way of modding when you're on the other end of such verbal abuse. Why don't you tell them about how you harassed via PM after I modkilled you? About how you threatened me to give you the link to the dead thread. Don't try hiding behind a flag of virtue when you were the one breaking the rules of common decency. What was the worst thing I did? I told you to quit complaining and then I modkilled you after you went off on me. Boo hoo. Act your age for once.

[hazelkrs1]

Lol Ive never tried hiding behind anything Nolder. I'm letting the issue go however, it has already resolved itself imo.