[Advanced] Star Wars Mafia - Game Over

[AVM]

@ AVM and Lily - Let me make this as clear as I can for both of you.  One of the names Darthe mentioned was the person I found most likely at the time to have been responsible for the Despo shooting.  Call it a significant hunch.  Sure, you three aren't the most likely to pull a stunt like that on JN, I'll give you that.  But I fail to see what you believe is scummy enough to make me "top three" about the fact that I agreed with Darthe that one of you three was more likely to have shot Despo, especially when I made it clear that I believe it's more likely to have been a townie that did it, so I wasn't trying to use it to paint the three of you in a negative light.

 

You and Darthe both keep saying this -- it's irrelevant.  If we're more calculating than that, it doesn't matter if other people at JN would be willing to do it.

 

You're trying to blur things and make it seem more likely that the shooter comes from us 3.

 

And we haven't even gone in to how all of that changes with the 2nd death.  There's clearly a 3rd party at this point.  An SK would want to pick off low hanging fruit (low activity, nothing to go off of) this early.  It makes more sense, logically, that a town vig would have been the one to kill from the Lily/Darthe argument.

 

And you're not my top three, you're my #1 ;)  the reason behind that being that Darthe came in and suggested something that he later recanted...and you agreed with him.  Darthe is darthe (and also now dead), so he has an excuse.  Scum prefer to latch on to things rather than be proactive.  It's much easier to follow the town as they pick each other off for you.

[AVM]

 

 

She comodded the Die Hard game. The one where we blind lynched you. As the Doc.

Good times.

 

You talking to me or Lily?

 

Because I was blind lynched as doc once (lulz), don't recall much of the game otherwise.  I can't count on one hand the number of people who have been blind lynched as doc at JN over the years though, sadly...so I'm not positive if you're talking to me or her.  I honestly thought she was the one that co-modded the Walking Dead game.

Talking to you, Lily ninja'd me. Sakaea modded the WD game. Still the low point of my mafia career sadly.

 

 

Ugh...mine too.  I'm still ashamed of my play that game.  I'm pretty sure that game made poor Wombat permanently angry when playing mafia, too...lol.

[Songstress]

 

@ AVM and Lily - Let me make this as clear as I can for both of you.  One of the names Darthe mentioned was the person I found most likely at the time to have been responsible for the Despo shooting.  Call it a significant hunch.  Sure, you three aren't the most likely to pull a stunt like that on JN, I'll give you that.  But I fail to see what you believe is scummy enough to make me "top three" about the fact that I agreed with Darthe that one of you three was more likely to have shot Despo, especially when I made it clear that I believe it's more likely to have been a townie that did it, so I wasn't trying to use it to paint the three of you in a negative light.

 

You and Darthe both keep saying this -- it's irrelevant.  If we're more calculating than that, it doesn't matter if other people at JN would be willing to do it.

 

You're trying to blur things and make it seem more likely that the shooter comes from us 3.

 

And we haven't even gone in to how all of that changes with the 2nd death.  There's clearly a 3rd party at this point.  An SK would want to pick off low hanging fruit (low activity, nothing to go off of) this early.  It makes more sense, logically, that a town vig would have been the one to kill from the Lily/Darthe argument.

 

And you're not my top three, you're my #1 ;)  the reason behind that being that Darthe came in and suggested something that he later recanted...and you agreed with him.  Darthe is darthe (and also now dead), so he has an excuse.  Scum prefer to latch on to things rather than be proactive.  It's much easier to follow the town as they pick each other off for you.

 

 

I'm not trying to make it seem more likely that the shooter comes from you three.  I'm saying that I very strongly suspect that Despo's shooter is one of you three, and I believe it was more likely town.

 

The fact that Darthe was shot does bring some things into question - but up until that point, I fail to see any reason why you and Lily would have assigned any nefarious motive to my thinking that one of you three was a town vig.  

[dicetosser1]

so Peace given that the mafia have no reason to want to protect me what makes you think, immediately after Darthes death that lily is now mafia again?

 

and yes i know that its only my say so the mafia dont wanna protect me.

[Graendals favourite]

Oh, at this rate we'll hardly reach night. No clue about all this meta business.

[Leelou]

 

 

 

She comodded the Die Hard game. The one where we blind lynched you. As the Doc.

Good times.

 

You talking to me or Lily?

 

Because I was blind lynched as doc once (lulz), don't recall much of the game otherwise.  I can't count on one hand the number of people who have been blind lynched as doc at JN over the years though, sadly...so I'm not positive if you're talking to me or her.  I honestly thought she was the one that co-modded the Walking Dead game.

Talking to you, Lily ninja'd me. Sakaea modded the WD game. Still the low point of my mafia career sadly.

 

 

Ugh...mine too.  I'm still ashamed of my play that game.  I'm pretty sure that game made poor Wombat permanently angry when playing mafia, too...lol.

 

 

That game is banned from being mentioned here on out.

[peacesells]

so Peace given that the mafia have no reason to want to protect me what makes you think, immediately after Darthes death that lily is now mafia again?

 

and yes i know that its only my say so the mafia dont wanna protect me.

 

Where did I say this?  You need to re-read my statement with better glasses on.

[michellem]

Wonder Leelou! Love that new sig Modess.

 

 

Ok I've thouroughly neglected this game. I was gonna reread it yesterday, and then Things Happened. My life is crazy. Today my brother is coming over for dinner, but I'll cram in as much time as I can to reread. I'm really sorry to the game and to Leelou.

[Leelou]

Deadline is in 48 hours. 

 

 

Wonder Leelou! Love that new sig Modess.

 

thanks!

[GoldeneyesND]

Theres a lot of talk about games played at JN going on. You do realize half of us will not be able to get any gameplay from this right?

[Songstress]

Theres a lot of talk about games played at JN going on. You do realize half of us will not be able to get any gameplay from this right?

It honestly shouldn't have been made a significant issue. It was a bit of speculation about Despo's shooting, and that should have been it.

[John E. Kelley]

 

Theres a lot of talk about games played at JN going on. You do realize half of us will not be able to get any gameplay from this right?

It honestly shouldn't have been made a significant issue. It was a bit of speculation about Despo's shooting, and that should have been it.

I'm in agreement with you that this has all been much ado about nothing. Lily and AVM being in lockstep with one another is much sketchier than anything you've done.

[peacesells]

So..is the game stalled or what?

 

I don't get the harrassment of Songstress when she was talking about town vigs.  Although..anyone trying to guess a town PR in the game thread is not doing town any favors.

 

Personally, I don't believe the killer/s are or is town.  3rd party maybe..or scum with a day shot or both. 

 

Lynch Dice.

[GoldeneyesND]

So..is the game stalled or what?

 

I don't get the harrassment of Songstress when she was talking about town vigs.  Although..anyone trying to guess a town PR in the game thread is not doing town any favors.

 

Personally, I don't believe the killer/s are or is town.  3rd party maybe..or scum with a day shot or both.

 

Lynch Dice.

 

I know this wasn't specific to you, but I asked earlier for a list of possible roles that could kill during the day. Is it just as likely that there be day kill abilities as 3rd party and mafia as there would be for a town vig?

[Pralaya]

This is a long ass deadline. Also, both the dice and darthe trains suck. Why am I voting AVM? unvote vote lily

 

With Darthe flipping mason, I wonder if this is a breadcrumb. I will give the benefit if doubt

 

unvote

[Leelou]

Vote Count

 

Dice (3) - Peace, Lily, Goldy

Tress (1) - AVM

Ishy (1) - Tress

Peace (1) - Dice

 

Not voting - Hallia, Key, Mish, GF, Ishy, Pral

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline - Tuesday 10 AM EST

[peacesells]

 

This is a long ass deadline. Also, both the dice and darthe trains suck. Why am I voting AVM? unvote vote lily

 

With Darthe flipping mason, I wonder if this is a breadcrumb. I will give the benefit if doubt

 

unvote

 

If you think so...why the hell would you point it out???

[dicetosser1]

 

so Peace given that the mafia have no reason to want to protect me what makes you think, immediately after Darthes death that lily is now mafia again?

 

and yes i know that its only my say so the mafia dont wanna protect me.

 

Where did I say this?  You need to re-read my statement with better glasses on.

 

 

here i will show you

 

R2-D2 finished downloading the secret plans and members of the Rebel Alliance were able to analyze them. A weakness was found, a plan devised and pilots were readying their starfighters to take on the Empire. Luke was the newest pilot and he chose R2-D2 as his on-board droid. As R2-D2 was being lowered into Luke's X-wing fighter, a shot rang out. An electrical burst shot through R2 and his circuits were fried. 

 

Darthe, R2-D2 - member of the Rebel Alliance - mason, has died. 

 

 

Darthe dies here

 

Either Lily is scum or she's being set up to take heat off of Dice.

 

here is where you said it peace.your post has 2 parts. in the first you are now considering that lily is mafia.

 

note that there were on 2 posts between darthes death and this  one by hally one by the mod.

 

So what do you say Peace?

[dicetosser1]

also im gonna save some time

 

 

my character is tall, hairy and comes from Kashyyyk.  It is always a good idea to let me win

[LilyElizabeth]

I happen to agree with AVM, but I don't feel as strongly about it as he does. Is that lockstep? I guess maybe it is. 

[peacesells]

 

 

so Peace given that the mafia have no reason to want to protect me what makes you think, immediately after Darthes death that lily is now mafia again?

 

and yes i know that its only my say so the mafia dont wanna protect me.

 

Where did I say this?  You need to re-read my statement with better glasses on.

 

 

here i will show you

 

R2-D2 finished downloading the secret plans and members of the Rebel Alliance were able to analyze them. A weakness was found, a plan devised and pilots were readying their starfighters to take on the Empire. Luke was the newest pilot and he chose R2-D2 as his on-board droid. As R2-D2 was being lowered into Luke's X-wing fighter, a shot rang out. An electrical burst shot through R2 and his circuits were fried. 

 

Darthe, R2-D2 - member of the Rebel Alliance - mason, has died. 

 

 

Darthe dies here

 

Either Lily is scum or she's being set up to take heat off of Dice.

 

here is where you said it peace.your post has 2 parts. in the first you are now considering that lily is mafia.

 

note that there were on 2 posts between darthes death and this  one by hally one by the mod.

 

So what do you say Peace?

 

 

 

I said Either/Or.  I didn't say you lept to front of my scum list did I?  Look how Dice asked his question.

[peacesells]

Nor did I ever take you off my list.  So, his statement is very misleading.

[dicetosser1]

you went from voting her to voting me to then again saying lily is either scum or being set up. what happened that you are now considering someone you unvoted to be mafia. What changed?

 

or are you just fence sitting looking for an opportunity?

 

Also i never said you took her off your list. I asked why you were saying she could be mafia, after you unvoted her and why it came up just after Darthes death.

 

Nice try at twisting my words but

[michellem]

Ok some things that stuck out to me while reread...

 

 

Actually, yeah, he did check in. New avatar and stuff. 

Anyway, my point was that isn't it too early to make an informed kill? I suspect it was a trigger.

 

Why bring up the trigger-option? The scene states that Han Solo took the shot. Even I have heard that name. Makes it pretty clear it was a person who took the shot.

 

darthe i just found it interesting he died shortly after the bromance comment and thus thought u a possibility for doing it.

 

Dice tries to subtly connect me to Des' death, wich I do not like.

 

Took me a minute to realize Songstress was my mentor in the White Tower

 

Vote Songstress

 

 

Hello!

 

 

At page 9... Golden places a "joke" vote. After Des had been shot and there was no doubt the jokey/spammy stage was well over and done with.

 

 

You're deflecting rather than approaching this.  If you want to be considered town then play like one.  Otherwise the pressure I apply is warranted.  

 

Unless you're arguing that my duty isn't to be hunting down leads and pursuing them?

 

No, I have said why I think you're scum, and I don't need to do more than that. Your OMGUS case isn't really a case a all. If you have a specific question for me, then ask one. Don't just try to push the mud that you're wearing onto me. 

 

 

AFAIK, Lily's original case was that Darthe said "It doesn't matter" to a comment Key made about a post Lily made... Right? And that was Lily's whole case on Darthe? Eh... It's weak, to say the least.

 

 

I don't understand the reasoning behind shooting Des with little to no posts from him in-game. Several of you seem to think this is not unusual. Could you explain why it makes sense to do that and why it's not an unusual move? How is JN different from DM? 

 

This is an advanced game.  There is a good possibility, considering the timing of the kill, that the scum team may have a day shot.  If that is the case, killing Desp, early is a great move.  Since he really hasn't participated, there is very little info to grab from the kill. 

 

 

Again the scene says Han Solo took the shot, isn't he a good guy? I thought people already discussed this that it was unlikely he was a bad guy. This post confuses me.

 

something feels off to me about Lily in regards to the early stuff with Darthe but I cant put my finger on it.

 

As for Des it could just be a case of big game hunting. 

 

Now this post... Dice posted at least once right after the initial Darthe/Lily exchange. And now he suddenly comes back and slightly FoSes her over it. And then later you backtrack over it. Big FoS on you there mister.

 

 

 

So how many people is that defending Lily so far? like 3?  Ishy did, key, praya. does she really need that much defending? particularly at me who has stated he is leaning town?  All this defence is making me wonder if we are looking at team members here

 

 

I severly dislike this early linking. Re-states that he's now leaning town... Backtrackiiiiiiiiiiing.

 

 

 

 

@AVM - I don't play at JN, although I co-modded a game there and I've read most of the games played in the last year or so.

I didn't take Darthe's statement as meaning that he thinks a JN'er is trying to set him up, more that it seems most likely to be a JN player that would make the choice to dayvig so early to get a flip and info. Most of the DM players would wait longer or holster D1... unless they wanted Despo out of the way for some other reason.

I think it's most likely a town vig responsible for the kill, so there wouldn't be a "set up" aspect to the situation. If it is one of the people Darthe listed, then they are most probably town. I wouldn't be offended at his including you in that list if I were in your shoes.

 

You then suddenly have read most of the games in the past year.  Which must have been as a guest and not logged in, as I THINK your name on JN would be Tress or Tess or something to that effect?  And I never noticed that name lurking.

 

Having co-modded one game (or played one game) isn't enough to find meta's viable, it's just not.  Darthe comes up, states it's most likely it's from JN and you just quickly jump on board.  

 

More quotes to come

 

Bolded: This is a BS statement. It's possible to read a forum without being logged in, and JN is buildt on more or less the same template as DM, so it's possible to log in as invisible there too (I know, I'm registered). A lot of people, me included, will be logged in as invisble because they leave their computer open at all times, so instead of getting grief for being "online" and not posting, they just never show as online. Very, very thin reason for calling Tress a liar.

 

 

This is a long ass deadline. Also, both the dice and darthe trains suck. Why am I voting AVM? unvote vote lily

 

With Darthe flipping mason, I wonder if this is a breadcrumb. I will give the benefit if doubt

 

unvote

 

 

Why... WHY... would you point it out if you seriously thought this was a breadcrumb and you are town?!!!

 

 

 

Vote Dice

 

I could also vote Pral.

[peacesells]

Mish,

 

meh..I don't read scenes.

 

 

Dice, you are the scummier option...Twist how you wish but it is what it is.