[Basic] Christmas Mentors & Maffia

[Blackhoof]

 

 

I flat-out diagree with most of those accusations of late- you are the one constantly bringing up his setup talk, he hasn't mentioned it in pages. He has been scumhunting recently and posting relevant things.

Also, as cloud said, it is unlikely that both he and golden are scum, given their trains

 

The bold - What does that prove?  He stopped doing it once I pointed it out.  How does he get credit for it in that regard?

 

 

Please go through and counter each one individually.  With specific reasons as to why I am wrong.  

 

 

I'm not going to put on a massive defence of a guy that is relatively high on my list, but as for the setup talk thing, he made about one post on it- which is hardly distracting. setup talk is not inherently distracting or scummy, it is a useful exercise, as long as it does not go to extremes. That you are making such a big deal over this minor thing is quite scummy, however.

 

 

 

I flat-out diagree with most of those accusations of late- you are the one constantly bringing up his setup talk, he hasn't mentioned it in pages. He has been scumhunting recently and posting relevant things.

Also, as cloud said, it is unlikely that both he and golden are scum, given their trains

 

Explain this please. 

 

 

I've formed the opinion that it is highly unlikely that two mafia would be run up like that. If Nolder was mafia, he likely would have voted Golden, but he didn't, and although he DID vote for a stupid reason, he admitted his mistake (if a mistake it was) it does not fit what a scum would likely do in that situation, in my opinion. His lynch also grew quite quickly, which is a point in his favour.

[_CLOUD]

Not sure what to think of the anger/defensiveness.

 

He's starting to get angry because he knows that I'm right about him.

 

 

 

I have kept up with Nolder's and Peace's back and forth during this Day and I have to say that Nolder came out as the better player and townie. I haven't liked Peace's play and votes since the start of Day 2 and I'm starting to think that I was wrong about him being town. His early vote on Golden could have been a very early busvote even though I still find it unlikely. He is going on my unsure list together with Hoof.

[_CLOUD]

I intend to make a case for Via but I've been a bit burnt out with mafia and busy with work. This weekend I am traveling so I'll be V/LA for the next 3-4 days. I shall return as your champion whence I am able. 

 

Keep an eye on Salami, dude has been lurking hard.

 

I'm looking forward to seeing your case on Via. From what I have noticed from her play so far she has triggered your scumtell about not commenting on the big things in the game (I believe I have also called her out for that during the end of Day 1, and I think she is more scummy because of it than Hallia because she often doesn't comment on important things regardless of her allignment). She also had that weird interaction with Golden and didn't defend herself well in my opinion. What does weigh in her favor though is that she was the third person to vote for Golden, but it could have also been a distance vote which she ended up not being able to remove because it would have only looked scummier after Golden's OMGUS vote on her.

[peacesells]

 

 

 

I flat-out diagree with most of those accusations of late- you are the one constantly bringing up his setup talk, he hasn't mentioned it in pages. He has been scumhunting recently and posting relevant things.

Also, as cloud said, it is unlikely that both he and golden are scum, given their trains

 

The bold - What does that prove?  He stopped doing it once I pointed it out.  How does he get credit for it in that regard?

 

 

Please go through and counter each one individually.  With specific reasons as to why I am wrong.  

 

 

I'm not going to put on a massive defence of a guy that is relatively high on my list, but as for the setup talk thing, he made about one post on it- which is hardly distracting. setup talk is not inherently distracting or scummy, it is a useful exercise, as long as it does not go to extremes. That you are making such a big deal over this minor thing is quite scummy, however.

 

 

 

I flat-out diagree with most of those accusations of late- you are the one constantly bringing up his setup talk, he hasn't mentioned it in pages. He has been scumhunting recently and posting relevant things.

Also, as cloud said, it is unlikely that both he and golden are scum, given their trains

 

Explain this please. 

 

 

I've formed the opinion that it is highly unlikely that two mafia would be run up like that. If Nolder was mafia, he likely would have voted Golden, but he didn't, and although he DID vote for a stupid reason, he admitted his mistake (if a mistake it was) it does not fit what a scum would likely do in that situation, in my opinion. His lynch also grew quite quickly, which is a point in his favour.

 

 

In fact it has happened recently in the Walking Dead game day 1.  Both Despo and I were scum that game.  Below is a vote count showing that both of us were the two competing trains with 12 hours til deadline.   It happens.  Don't rule it out.  

 

 

 

Vote Count 1.21

Dap (1) - Peace

Peace (4) - Nolder, Dap, Despo, Theodora

Despo (4) - BFG, Leelou, Lenlo, Goldeneyes

BFG (1) - Pral

Goldeneyes (1) - Err

Lenlo (1) - Ishy

 

Not Voting: Mish

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

Deadline: 10PM PST http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131122T22&p0=770&msg=Day+1+Deadline&csz=1&swk=1

 

T-Minus 12 hours to DL.

 

[_CLOUD]

Hoof never said that it isn't possible for there to be two competing trains who are both mafia, but the speed of which Nolder's train was building up compared to Golden's suggests that he isn't mafia. It also wouldn't be a logical move from Nolder to try and start a train on Theo 1 hour before the deadline, instead of bussing his teammate to gain some town cred. You trying to explain that Nolder is scum because of his vote on Theo is absurd. The same holds true for him not being around at the early stages of the game and skimming. He isn't derailing scumhunting, and if you actually bothered to read his reads on all the players then you would have noticed that he is giving his own analysis of everyone's play so far instead of just following the majority on who is likely scum and who isn't. Set-up talk isn't scummy because it only provides information, but the way people react to set-up talk can be seen as scummy, like you have been doing. He only threw it out there for everyone to consider, but you are the one who keeps brining it up again and again. Key has also been mass posting, and yet you didn't call her out for it. There is a quoting limit on DM which results in people needing to do this, and trying to again paint him as scum because of it is ridiculous. His misrepresentations actually seemed genuine to me, and he hasn't been acting stubborn about it and pushing it forward despite knowing that he was wrong, but instead he is listening to what other people are saying in response to his cases and is reconsidering his facts. His cases has been evolving and logical to follow.

[csarmi]

#Referencing other games - #929 is about the limit of what's allowed. Don't go farther than that please. If in doubt, ask me first.

[_CLOUD]

I could go for either Krak or Peace right now. 

 

Via is my third option. I would like to hear the opinion from more people about her play though. 

 

I'm still unsure about Hoof. I actually liked his play from the last two pages.

 

The rest of the players are still town in my opinion.

[peacesells]

So, this post from Nolder in rebuttal of my statements is interesting.  It's obvious Cloud missed some important miscues here considering his "Nolder is playing better" statement.  (which btw...doesn't mean Nolder is town..if he is playing better.)

 

 

 

Disappears.

Told everyone I was going to be busy.
I appreciate the breaks I was given for my patchy activity.
Not much else to say about that.

 

He appreciates it..yet has attacked others for it. 
 

Shows up when getting heat and it looks like he is going to be the days lynch target and gets active all the sudden.

What was that, about two solid hours in the early morning for me?
I woke up before anyone else and committed myself to staying online and keeping up with the thread until I had to go.
And btw I'd been getting heat continuously, it just reached it's "hottest" near the deadline.

 

Doesn't discount my point.  But doesn't address the timing.  Only when a lynch on him was imminent does he play in earnest.
 

During this time he makes many incorrect statements that he later "apologizes" for.  "Oh I missed that."  Or "I admit I was skimming."  (<skimming is scummy btw)

During this time? What time exactly would that be?
Please narrow it down from page X to page Y for us so we can all examine this timeframe.
Pretty sure I've only made and apologized for two or three mistakes this entire game.
Skimming is bad yeah. All I had time for though.

 

Questions when these mistakes happened, implying I'm fabricating here....then admits he did.  And admits to skimming.

 

Successfully derails his own train.

How does on derail their own train?
I can't control how people vote.
Admittedly I didn't want anyone to vote me but I don't see what's wrong with that.
Hell how can you even say I successfully derailed my own train in any sense of those words?
My two attempts at pushing other trains (Hallia, Theo) failed utterly while I train I had nothing to do with turned out to be the lynch.
This isn't even lying so much as it's rewriting history and hoping everyone has some kind of collective amnesia.

 

Here is the good one.  He doesn't quote the whole statement I made.  He changes the context from what the important part was.  Here is the original statement in it's entirety.   "Successfully derails his own train.  2 others develop in the mean time.  He votes neither of them even though we are close to the deadline.  Instead...wants to lynch an inactive who had let everyone know she was sick.  At least 1 of the 2 trains was scum.  Why wasn't he part of it?"
 

2 others develop in the mean time.  He votes neither of them even though we are close to the deadline.

Eh, pros and cons there.
I erred on the side of not voting blind.
It's easy to say I should have done this or that or the other thing but you weren't in my shoes.
You buried your vote on Goldeneyes prior to the deadline discussion and didn't even participate there so I'm not sure that you have the high ground to call out my decisions as poor during that time.

 

Here he does address the important part of the previous statement.  It's not blind voting when up against a deadline.  You pick the best of the two and look for info.  At least 1 of the two were scum. 

 

My vote wasn't buried.  I brought light to Golden's bad post.  And later broke it down sentence by sentence to solidify. 

 

Oh..I'm not calling your decisions POOR.  Let's be clear.  I'm calling them scummy. 
 

Instead...wants to lynch an inactive who had let everyone know she was sick.  At least 1 of the 2 trains was scum.  Why wasn't he part of it?

Nothing to say here that wasn't already covered.

 

Yes, covered with an answer...but this type of stuff in conjunction with all the other play adds up to something. 
 

Then he basically starts spamming the game thread.  Responds in a lot of individual posts, bumping up his post count while making they game more of an obstacle for townees to wade through.

NO. GFY.
I'm not going to stop spamming until the quote limit is removed from DM.
It's a crappy limitation that does no one any good.
I am not going to spend hours and hours formatting quotes (because whatever system we use likes to "autofix" things incorrectly instead of just leaving quotes broken so they're easy to spot and fix) only to try to post and have the forum tell me my damn post has too many quotes so I have to cut and post and cut and post resulting in at least 2 or 3 posts anyway. No. I'm not going to do it and you're just going to have to deal with it like everyone else has to and like how I have to deal with the fact that I literally cannot just make 1 mega post like I'd prefer to do most of the time anyway.

 

Yet he took the time to break down this post into parts.  Railing against the system?  Everyone seems to do just fine with it.
 

Not only does he use that tactic, he tries to steer the game into set up discussion.  Further derailing scumhunting.

I'm done talking about this.
If anyone is derailing here it is clearly you.

 

You can call my case on you wrong, scummy, idiotic...whatever.  But this is not derailing.  It's just not letting scum off the hook.

 

 

My points are in blue in the body of the quote.  Also down below for easy reference.

 

1 -He appreciates it..yet has attacked others for it. 

2- Questions when these mistakes happened, implying I'm fabricating here....then admits he did.  And admits to skimming.

3- Here is the good one.  He doesn't quote the whole statement I made.  He changes the context from what the important part was.  Here is the original statement in it's entirety.   "Successfully derails his own train.  2 others develop in the mean time.  He votes neither of them even though we are close to the deadline.  Instead...wants to lynch an inactive who had let everyone know she was sick.  At least 1 of the 2 trains was scum.  Why wasn't he part of it?"

4- Here he does address the important part of the previous statement.  It's not blind voting when up against a deadline.  You pick the best of the two and look for info.  At least 1 of the two were scum. 

 

My vote wasn't buried.  I brought light to Golden's bad post.  And later broke it down sentence by sentence to solidify. 

 

Oh..I'm not calling your decisions POOR.  Let's be clear.  I'm calling them scummy. 

5- Yes, covered with an answer...but this type of stuff in conjunction with all the other play adds up to something. 

6- You can call my case on you wrong, scummy, idiotic...whatever.  But this is not derailing.  It's just not letting scum off the hook.

 

[peacesells]

Sorry Csarmi...didn't realize that was in your rules.

[_CLOUD]

I believe I also said that he was playing more townie. Feel free to reread that post. 

 

I'm starting to get a migraine right now so I will most likely be back in the evening. 

[peacesells]

I believe I also said that he was playing more townie. Feel free to reread that post. 

 

I'm starting to get a migraine right now so I will most likely be back in the evening. 

 

yes..I remember that.   It's the only reason I did the blue post.  Just wanted to make sure certain things were clear.

[csarmi]

It is now day 2.

New Deadline: 2013-01-07, 06:00GMT

Timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140107T07&p0=50&msg=ChristmasMM-D2B

 

Theme:

• This is a christmas party. Please bring some drinks and snacks, dress for the occasion and enjoy.
• Roles and characters: you're playing as yourselves. You can claim any role or character, but I suggest you claim as yourself and choose from the possible roles list :-)

Miscellanous:

• Andrej (AJ) will be my co-mod for this event.
• I'll be very flexible with deadlines. I realize that everyone has a life and it's christmas time.
• Role PM's are public knowledge. The purpose of this is simply to eliminate arguments like "uhm no, see, you can't be XXX role because you would totally have a different role pm!". In other words - I want you to not discuss role PM's. No hidden meanings there, no advantage to be gained.

Rulings during the game - quick reference. Will format it when I get the chance.

 

 

 

Remember it is allowed to edit posts.

 

 

@Turin/Nolder

 

 

#Personalattacks: if someone has a problem with any of the posts, they are to take up with me in PM

#absolutemajority: as in 50%+1 is calculated on the basis of all the people alive, not just those who place a vote

#gifts: they have no direct effect on the game (they will effect your mood and that might have an indirect effect)

 

 

Please do let me know if you're gonna be away for more than 36 hours. Completely acceptable during holidays - but i d like a heads up. Tx.

 

 

VoteCount Day01#05

 

 

 

BFG: -> Golden

Leelou: -> Nolder

Cloud: -> Elf

Peace: -> Elf

Tommy: -> Peace -> Turin

Elf: -> Peace

Turin: -> Tommy

Krak: -> Cloud

 

 

 

Elf - 2 - Cloud, Peace

Nolder - 1- Leelou

Peace - 1 - Elf

Golden - 1 - BFG

Turin - 1 - Tommy

Tommy - 1 - Turin

Cloud - 1 - Krak

 

Not voting: the rest of you

8 to lynch. No DL set.

 

 

Please note that only votes starting with ##vote are accepted. Cause I can't search the topic for "##" (less than 3 characters).

 

 

Each and every one of you has been sent a PM informing you that the grace period is over soon. I've also nudged people on their QT's (everyone has one). In the future, no such announcement will be made in PM or QT, everyone is expected to read the thread.

 

Mod announcements will be in green, You may also ask the mods questions in green, if you like.

 

 

Corrected. For future reference, there are no vote sheenanigans (as this is a basic game) so if it looks like I messed up it's probably cause I did.

 

 

Please do not quote from other games. In case of games that have already finished, feel free to reference them if it suits your agenda.

 

 

 

Your mentor is talking through you now? Is that part of the game? Lol...

Not really. It's part of being Yates. He's possessive, it seems. Working on it.

 

For future reference, this is what the mentors are being told.

 

Try to find the balance there - I'm sure you'll manage. It's hard to draw the line.

 

Try to be helpful without leading. Like, I dunno, point out ways to look at things, share strategies you like to use, this sort of thing. You're obviously allowed to talk about the game in question.

 

Mostly, it's up to you two to figure out what to do with this QT. I don't want to be too limiting. From what I read on the other QT's, it can be a very good experience.

 

That make any sense?

 

 

 

Just a quick reminder. You are allowed to edit posts (as long as you use it for formatting purposes, for correcting typos and obvious mistakes).

 

 

I've been giving a lot of leeway concerning activity due to the holidays. The holidays are now over. I expect everyone to get back into the game soon and I'll require full activity starting from now on.

 

 

As I have posted at the start of the game, every single player has a QT available, some with their mentor, some with only me and AJ. There will be no discussion of formatting issues in my game. If you believe someone is breaking the rule by copying, quoting, discussing things they shouldn't be, you may take it up with me directly.

 

 

#Referencing other games - #929 is about the limit of what's allowed. Don't go farther than that please. If in doubt, ask me first.

 

[csarmi]

I have put some quick references to some more important mod posts that were posted during the game. I'll format it when I get the chance.

[csarmi]

Also #937 is actually an error, for some reason I quoted my first post instead of editing. Fixed it now, but I'll leave it here anyway. You're only interested in the spoilered part.

[keyholder21]

 

 

Not sure what to think of the anger/defensiveness.

He's starting to get angry because he knows that I'm right about him.

 

 

 

I have kept up with Nolder's and Peace's back and forth during this Day and I have to say that Nolder came out as the better player and townie. I haven't liked Peace's play and votes since the start of Day 2 and I'm starting to think that I was wrong about him being town. His early vote on Golden could have been a very early busvote even though I still find it unlikely. He is going on my unsure list together with Hoof.

About Krak, maybe. Actually, oddly makes me reconsider a vote on him. If a teammate just got lynched for being overaggressive, wouldn't you (collective) want to be more careful with your responses?

 

##unvote Krak. I have to think about this.

 

In regards to nolder/peace. I might need to go back tbrough nolder's posts, but I still get a townie impression. Instead of lazy, I suppose I can say IRL busy townie. I can see a few points from peace, but overall I don't agreewith much of his case either. i still get townie from him too, just because od the golden vote. He had plenty of time and opportunity to change his vote, imo. I suppose he could have been bussing D1, but I don't get that feeling.

 

Sorry for quoting the whole post and not breaking it up. Mobile is sucky for posting big posts.

[keyholder21]

If I get a chance later, I want to go back and look at Hallia's posts.

[csarmi]

I do have a replacement for Elf. In this game, people may only be replaced by their mentor. I'm giving her some more time, after all, it's conceivable that she's still hasn't quite started her year or something. She gets 24h from now, if she doesn't check in by then, Dap is going to replace her.

[Hallia]

I flat-out diagree with most of those accusations of late- you are the one constantly bringing up his setup talk, he hasn't mentioned it in pages. He has been scumhunting recently and posting relevant things.

Also, as cloud said, it is unlikely that both he and golden are scum, given their trains

 

I'm curious about something.  You say it's unlikely they're both scum given their trains, but if he were town (provided the entire scum team wasn't already on Nolder) wouldn't they have just figured out reasons to vote him in order to save one of their own?

[Elaevia]

hmm, I really don't agree that breaking cases into different posts is bumping the post count for the sake of it: chatting on thread about non-game stuff is spamming, I think we've all done a bit of spamming by wishing people happy christmas etc.

 

breaking your posts up is either necessary (due to quote limits or difficulty posting from mobile etc) or helpful, for when people quote those posts and makes less hassel for them.

 

basically these seems to be an attack on making long cases!

 

re: two trains thing. If nolder and golden are both mafia, then I believe that nolders train would contain only town. I don't think mafia would try and save mafia number 1 (golden) by running up a train on mafia number 2 (nolder) unless number 1 had a role they wanted to protect. as golden was a goon, this reasoning collapses and mafia would not want two of their members in line for the lynch.

 

I started writing this post thinking that the two trains does not indicate nolders allignment either way, but reading back I know seem to believe that it does show his townyness. I would prefer to get a read from his posts though and not rely in this, which I will not be able to do on my phone

 

can you clarify please which 'he's' you mean in your post above hallia, am confused as to where you mean golden and where you mean nolder

[Krakalakachkn]

Krak is really responding badly right now. Taking everything so personally. Does not speak well for his townness.

 

I am feeling better about Nolder

  

 

It's easy to single out my anger and attempt to pin me to a wall with it, but I'd love to see something about content too.

 

 

 

 

Not sure what to think of the anger/defensiveness.

 

 

He's starting to get angry because he knows that I'm right about him.

 

 

 

I have kept up with Nolder's and Peace's back and forth during this Day and I have to say that Nolder came out as the better player and townie. I haven't liked Peace's play and votes since the start of Day 2 and I'm starting to think that I was wrong about him being town. His early vote on Golden could have been a very early busvote even though I still find it unlikely. He is going on my unsure list together with Hoof.

  

 

If you think I get angry only as scum, then I don't think you know my play. I get angry regardless of alignment because it's usually about something not-entirely-game-related. Like the dictionary thing. Or Des. That said, I apologize for taking out an inordinate amount of anger on you. Some was warranted, but not all. That said, don't let my apology influence your play/reads. If you think it was a scum overreaction, that's fine.

[Hallia]

@Via - I was talking about Nolder

[Nolder]

So, this post from Nolder in rebuttal of my statements is interesting.  It's obvious Cloud missed some important miscues here considering his "Nolder is playing better" statement.  (which btw...doesn't mean Nolder is town..if he is playing better.)

 

 

 

Disappears.

Told everyone I was going to be busy.

I appreciate the breaks I was given for my patchy activity.

Not much else to say about that.

 

He appreciates it..yet has attacked others for it. 

 

Shows up when getting heat and it looks like he is going to be the days lynch target and gets active all the sudden.

What was that, about two solid hours in the early morning for me?

I woke up before anyone else and committed myself to staying online and keeping up with the thread until I had to go.

And btw I'd been getting heat continuously, it just reached it's "hottest" near the deadline.

 

Doesn't discount my point.  But doesn't address the timing.  Only when a lynch on him was imminent does he play in earnest.

 

During this time he makes many incorrect statements that he later "apologizes" for.  "Oh I missed that."  Or "I admit I was skimming."  (<skimming is scummy btw)

During this time? What time exactly would that be?

Please narrow it down from page X to page Y for us so we can all examine this timeframe.

Pretty sure I've only made and apologized for two or three mistakes this entire game.

Skimming is bad yeah. All I had time for though.

 

Questions when these mistakes happened, implying I'm fabricating here....then admits he did.  And admits to skimming.

 

Successfully derails his own train.

How does on derail their own train?

I can't control how people vote.

Admittedly I didn't want anyone to vote me but I don't see what's wrong with that.

Hell how can you even say I successfully derailed my own train in any sense of those words?

My two attempts at pushing other trains (Hallia, Theo) failed utterly while I train I had nothing to do with turned out to be the lynch.

This isn't even lying so much as it's rewriting history and hoping everyone has some kind of collective amnesia.

 

Here is the good one.  He doesn't quote the whole statement I made.  He changes the context from what the important part was.  Here is the original statement in it's entirety.   "Successfully derails his own train.  2 others develop in the mean time.  He votes neither of them even though we are close to the deadline.  Instead...wants to lynch an inactive who had let everyone know she was sick.  At least 1 of the 2 trains was scum.  Why wasn't he part of it?"

 

2 others develop in the mean time.  He votes neither of them even though we are close to the deadline.

Eh, pros and cons there.

I erred on the side of not voting blind.

It's easy to say I should have done this or that or the other thing but you weren't in my shoes.

You buried your vote on Goldeneyes prior to the deadline discussion and didn't even participate there so I'm not sure that you have the high ground to call out my decisions as poor during that time.

 

Here he does address the important part of the previous statement.  It's not blind voting when up against a deadline.  You pick the best of the two and look for info.  At least 1 of the two were scum. 

 

My vote wasn't buried.  I brought light to Golden's bad post.  And later broke it down sentence by sentence to solidify. 

 

Oh..I'm not calling your decisions POOR.  Let's be clear.  I'm calling them scummy. 

 

Instead...wants to lynch an inactive who had let everyone know she was sick.  At least 1 of the 2 trains was scum.  Why wasn't he part of it?

Nothing to say here that wasn't already covered.

 

Yes, covered with an answer...but this type of stuff in conjunction with all the other play adds up to something. 

 

Then he basically starts spamming the game thread.  Responds in a lot of individual posts, bumping up his post count while making they game more of an obstacle for townees to wade through.

NO. GFY.

I'm not going to stop spamming until the quote limit is removed from DM.

It's a crappy limitation that does no one any good.

I am not going to spend hours and hours formatting quotes (because whatever system we use likes to "autofix" things incorrectly instead of just leaving quotes broken so they're easy to spot and fix) only to try to post and have the forum tell me my damn post has too many quotes so I have to cut and post and cut and post resulting in at least 2 or 3 posts anyway. No. I'm not going to do it and you're just going to have to deal with it like everyone else has to and like how I have to deal with the fact that I literally cannot just make 1 mega post like I'd prefer to do most of the time anyway.

 

Yet he took the time to break down this post into parts.  Railing against the system?  Everyone seems to do just fine with it.

 

Not only does he use that tactic, he tries to steer the game into set up discussion.  Further derailing scumhunting.

I'm done talking about this.

If anyone is derailing here it is clearly you.

 

You can call my case on you wrong, scummy, idiotic...whatever.  But this is not derailing.  It's just not letting scum off the hook.

 

 

My points are in blue in the body of the quote.  Also down below for easy reference.

 

1 -He appreciates it..yet has attacked others for it. 

2- Questions when these mistakes happened, implying I'm fabricating here....then admits he did.  And admits to skimming.

3- Here is the good one.  He doesn't quote the whole statement I made.  He changes the context from what the important part was.  Here is the original statement in it's entirety.   "Successfully derails his own train.  2 others develop in the mean time.  He votes neither of them even though we are close to the deadline.  Instead...wants to lynch an inactive who had let everyone know she was sick.  At least 1 of the 2 trains was scum.  Why wasn't he part of it?"

4- Here he does address the important part of the previous statement.  It's not blind voting when up against a deadline.  You pick the best of the two and look for info.  At least 1 of the two were scum. 

 

My vote wasn't buried.  I brought light to Golden's bad post.  And later broke it down sentence by sentence to solidify. 

 

Oh..I'm not calling your decisions POOR.  Let's be clear.  I'm calling them scummy. 

5- Yes, covered with an answer...but this type of stuff in conjunction with all the other play adds up to something. 

6- You can call my case on you wrong, scummy, idiotic...whatever.  But this is not derailing.  It's just not letting scum off the hook.

1. Yeah kinda. I attacked people "on my level". It made sense at the time. I knew I couldn't make a reasonable case on anyone at the end of Day 1 so I didn't even try. And if I had been lynched for inactivity at the time I wouldn't have complained. Luckily enough people had a better sense of who was scum than to just focus on inactivity in this instance.

 

2. What point? You're borderline accusing me of abusing the spirit of the game here. I said I was busy through the weekend. That was no lie and since then I've been active enough by anyone's standards now that I'm no longer busy. I promised to try to make time for the game at least once per day even if it was just a post or two I'd at least check in. I kept to that as best I could. I woke up early on the day of the deadline specifically because I knew my participation would be necessary and stayed active until other people woke up and I had to go. Did it help save my own life? Maybe, I have no idea if that influenced anyone's decision but I could guess that it might have. It was also for our mod and everyone else in the game. I joined and I said I would participate and I did my best to uphold that. I don't really care if you don't like that I was able to make time for the game at the deadline, it happened and that's not scummy. Btw this #2 doesn't correlate to #2 on your list since you didn't include it so from this point on the #'s will correlate to -1. As in 3 is 2 on your list 4 is 3, etc.

 

3. I question the sequence in which they happened. You are implying they happened all at once during a certain period, which further implies I was intentionally doing it to serve some goal at the time. I remember it happening a few times throughout the game. Also of course you wont explain how any of these mistakes about information actually serve my purpose as scum will you? Nah. It's just a given right?

 

4. I'm not sure how that context changes the meaning of what you said but by all means include the full quote. That doesn't change the fact that it's retarded. Explain how I derailed my own train. Explain how, even though I pushed two other trains and people didn't follow me on them I still somehow managed to sway them off of me despite never asking and only taking minimal time to defend myself or make any points. I'll tell you the answer since anyone who comes up with a statement like that obviously needs some help. The answer is free will. People are going to do what they want to do and I have no control over that because I have no power or authority over them. If you want to know why the train on me was "derailed" maybe you should be asking people why they changed their votes instead of putting that responsibility all on me. Believe me I'd love to be the evil mastermind that orchestrated a last minute escape there but the truth is I had nothing to do with it as is plainly obvious.

 

5a. Well that's what you would do. Or rather what you say you would do, since you weren't in the situation I was. I did what I did and for whatever reason it turned out awesome.

 

5b. Well... I guess we all have our interpretations of things don't we?

 

5c. What is that? The second or third time you've taken a verifiable stance on someone this game? I can't remember since it's been so long.

 

6. Skipping this since you're saying nothing.

 

7. Another response that's not in your list. Do you want me to take a poll and find out how many people don't like how posting/quoting works on DM? I'd be happy to since maybe if enough people responded we could convince management to make changes. I guarantee you most people who post long posts on this site (Mafia players, D&D and WoT discussion people, and RPers) all generally agree that posting is crappy in some way and could be improved.

 

8. Not responding to this.

[Nolder]

Ok even if Peace responds or someone else makes a lengthy post about me I'm going to ignore it today and address it tomorrow.

I really want to go back and read at least one of those people on my list that I didn't have a good read on before otherwise it's going to cripple my gameplay going forward into the game.

Maybe I'll focus on the two dead guys since at least they aren't posting anymore. Yeah ok that is the plan for today. Expect those posts...probably late afternoon or evening since I like to do mafia then for some reason.

[Verbal32]

The blue!  My eyes!

[csarmi]

His eyes! They're blue!