[Basic] Christmas Mentors & Maffia

[_CLOUD]

His memory will live on in all of us forever.

[Krakalakachkn]

Lol

[Verbal32]

I lol'ed.

[Verbal32]

Good job, Krak.

[csarmi]

Lol

 

 

I lol'ed.

Bonding between Mentor and Mentee is always good to see! What a heart-wrenching moment.

[Leelou]

 

Lol

 

 

I lol'ed.

Bonding between Mentor and Mentee is always good to see! What a heart-wrenching moment.

 

 

You always say you are going to bed and then keep posting for another 4 hours. 

[csarmi]

You got me all figured out Leelou. :)

[Blackhoof]

I have limited time unfortunately, so I can't go into too much depth

 

Care to explain your reads on me, Tom and Effie?

Tom strikes me as a bit of an obnoxious ass.... but a town obnoxious ass. He has been actively scumhunting, and pushing hard I'm several people to get reactions and the game going. He might be scum trying to gain townie cred and take the lead in the game, but I am leaning town at the moment.

 

Elf responded well to the votes against her, and had acted well under this bit of pressure I think.

 

As for you, I haven't really liked your play at times, I will go through it again when I have time. As for your flip on elf, it just didn't seem like she said anything different to convince you. Like after pages of back-and-forth, since a senseless and over-eager vote on your part, you just agree and team up against peace. I don't even know, it is just weird. I will review things a bit later, it was like 12 when i read those 50 new pages :P

 

 

@Hoof, why did you said "one of Cloud and Peace" is mafia while you vote for Peace? Isn't that just leaving your options open for a mislynch if both of them are town?

 

Example: we lynch Peace, he's town, you say "welp, Cloud must be mafia then." Which is obviously bad because Cloud is strongly pro-town in this game.

Because I don't think they both are? Out of my current reads, cloud and peace are scummy to me, but peace much more so.

I guess one could look at it that way- or you could look at it that I find both scummy but don't think that both are mafia, because that would be terrible play.

 

 

So when are we lynching Hoof and Turin?

 

 

And Peace you were more aggressive in this game then I'm used to seeing from you, and mafia does tend to be more aggressive than town.

Pfft, eagerly pushing for an easy hoof lynch, are we? not AGAIN....*yawn*

[_CLOUD]

He has been actively scumhunting, and pushing hard I'm several people to get reactions and the game going. He might be scum trying to gain townie cred and take the lead in the game, but I am leaning town at the moment.

 

Haven’t I been doing the exact same thing that makes you have a town read on Tom? You don’t even seem sure of your town read on him when you say that he could still be scum, but that you are just leaning town on him for the moment. You are allowing so much wiggle room in your reads in this game. It’s insanely scummy.

 

Elf responded well to the votes against her, and had acted well under this bit of pressure I think.

 

I agree and it’s one of the reasons why I have gotten a town read on her after pushing for her lynch since the start of Day 1.

 

As for you, I haven't really liked your play at times, I will go through it again when I have time.

 

You have a scum read on me and yet you can’t get further with explaining why than saying that you don’t like my play at times. I can’t take your read on me serious if you don’t come up with solid reasoning or at least an argument that sounds halfway logical.

 

As for your flip on elf, it just didn't seem like she said anything different to convince you. Like after pages of back-and-forth, since a senseless and over-eager vote on your part, you just agree and team up against peace. I don't even know, it is just weird.

 

My flip on Effie didn’t come out of nowhere like you try to make it appear, and even here you allow yourself enough wiggle room to change your mind later by saying that it “seemed that way”. I was having a back and forth with Effie since the start of Day 1, and post #234 was the turning point for me because I then realized that she managed to beat down every argument I had against her. You call my early vote on her senseless and over-eager, but you don’t even care to point out what you found wrong about it. And I’m not teaming up against Peace. Me asking Effie to summarize her case on Peace so that I could understand it better doesn’t in any way mean that I agree with her. I still have a town read on him.

 

Because I don't think they both are? Out of my current reads, cloud and peace are scummy to me, but peace much more so.

I guess one could look at it that way- or you could look at it that I find both scummy but don't think that both are mafia, because that would be terrible play.

 

This doesn’t even make sense dude. You have both of us as your scum reads, while at the same time accusing me for teaming up with Effie to go after Peace (which is obviously a lie), and then you don’t think that we are both scum because that would be terrible play from our part?

 

Pfft, eagerly pushing for an easy hoof lynch, are we? not AGAIN....*yawn*

 

I also don’t like this part of your post because you are purposefully defending yourself by bringing up the fact that you are often a Day 1 lynch. It isn’t the fault of other players when they want to lynch you because they find your play scummy.

 

 

##vote Hoof

[Hallia]

I had the priveledge of being on 24-hour call yesterday and working today; so I'm catching up now! ^_^

[Hallia]

The thread title threw me off. I hadn't realized we were in Day 1 til I saw the thread had gained like a million pages already. Looks like a pissing contest already? Tommy is slightly obnoxious, but I saw a preview of that in his secret circle game. I think between his and Turin's post lengths I'm going to go put on my glasses. Town reads on both. Cloud appears to be coming out a little more aggressively, but he's been lynched Day 1 in several recent games, so I'm not sure if that's a meta change or just an effort to survive Day 1, something Blackhoof seems to not be doing at all. Leaning scum on Cloud. I'm getting a townie vibe from Leelou, always Null on Peace at this point, I admit to have a hard time reading him. Nothing else as far as early reads go. I'll be around tomorrow night most likely, but probably not for the rest of the day. Merry Christmas to everyone who celebrates, or whatever your end of the year holiday happens to be.

 

 

H'ok, 11 pages in and I agree with the first part of Gend (GoldeneyesND MUAAHAHAHA)  regarding the pissing contest, and Tommy, and Turin.  I actually disagree regarding Cloud.  While still active, he doesn't seem as aggravated as he tends to be in lots of games, which gets him lynched early.  But it's still Christmas Eve as far as I've read.  Going back in.

[Tommyrod]

 

The thread title threw me off. I hadn't realized we were in Day 1 til I saw the thread had gained like a million pages already. Looks like a pissing contest already? Tommy is slightly obnoxious, but I saw a preview of that in his secret circle game. I think between his and Turin's post lengths I'm going to go put on my glasses. Town reads on both. Cloud appears to be coming out a little more aggressively, but he's been lynched Day 1 in several recent games, so I'm not sure if that's a meta change or just an effort to survive Day 1, something Blackhoof seems to not be doing at all. Leaning scum on Cloud. I'm getting a townie vibe from Leelou, always Null on Peace at this point, I admit to have a hard time reading him. Nothing else as far as early reads go. I'll be around tomorrow night most likely, but probably not for the rest of the day. Merry Christmas to everyone who celebrates, or whatever your end of the year holiday happens to be.

 

 

H'ok, 11 pages in and I agree with the first part of Gend (GoldeneyesND MUAAHAHAHA)  regarding the pissing contest, and Tommy, and Turin.  I actually disagree regarding Cloud.  While still active, he doesn't seem as aggravated as he tends to be in lots of games, which gets him lynched early.  But it's still Christmas Eve as far as I've read.  Going back in.

 

This one post by Golden was the best thing you found to comment on? 

[Krakalakachkn]

Yeah Blackhoof doesn't look good.

 

 

##unvote vote Blackhoof

[Tommyrod]

I'm still waiting for Nolder to respond to me...

 

Hoof thinking I'm town really doesn't do anything for me. I don't see how she can conclude "one of" Cloud or Peace is scum, but assume it's impossible that both are. I haven't seen any posts from Hoof exploring that reasoning. As a townie, knowing there's at least 3 mafia in this game, you should be pushing AT least 2 suspects if not 3... pushing "one or the other" just leaves you open to mislynch options if they're both town and you're scum.

 

##Vote Hoof

I'm willing to listen to you Hoof, but I need far better than this. 

 

Krak, you should really expand your thoughts, you're floating a lot.

[Turin Turambar]

 

Stick to teaching the rest of your team on your QT for now please. 

 

 

And BTW, I think I said I've seen skilled players do it to great effect, not that you were doing that now. I further disagree that there is any one way to play mafia. So trying to imprint your playstyle on others is not in the best interests of the game itself. It may be in your own best interest as it makes it easier to play with others that play a similar style. You and nolder going  all "sole arbiter of play" here is pinging quite loudly to me. 

 

If you are not sane enough to realise where you are at any particular time then maybe you are not the best choice to follow. And it was more along the lines that you used Peace's comment about poker as a means to attempt to distract you when again you were the first to mention it. So maybe you shouldn't introduce things that you don't wish to talk about? 

 

From the mouths of babes appear some of the most universal truths...

 

Carry on. I shall be out for a bit

I don't particularly feel like simmering down just because you tell me to :P

 

If you wanna see how I play then read my only other game on here

 

There is a method to my madness and I get there in the end, even if I lay waste to the game to do so. Soz if you don't like it.

 

I don't know what to make of your attitude ATM; it's hard for me to tell with the Stubborns

 

Maybe you actually do believe what you're espousing here. Your perspective seems odd

 

If you're town you can prove it to me by going after actual scum

 

Last first. When were you confirmed as town? BFG is the innocent Child and therefore the ONLY confirmed townie at present. So for you to go around like you are the instructor of mafia in this game where even the experienced have mentors(or advisors) is ridiculous. I have used similar tactics in a game here at least once. There was a new player game and my student vanished at the start of the game making me the player. I was able to lead the town of new folks to achieve mafia victory. I have also seen Dap employ this in the Indiana Jones game I helped(term used loosely) Ithi mod some time ago. So forgive me for not being ready to follow into lock step with you. 

 

I'm not gonna stop questioning you just because you want me too either so I guess we are at an impasse *insert PB gif later maybe* 

 

I have read some of the other game. meh.

 

Stubborn is a valuable trait at times. If you don't know what to make of my attitude then perhaps you are not as good as you think you are. My perspective is odd? meaning that it does not agree with yours. how wonderful. Since I think you are the most likely mafia at the moment followed by your most pro town player cloud. In reading to here I did notice a lot of chummy behavior between you including where he defended you from elf. you called him out but backed off the defending charge from seeing his vote on elf. All that does is turn it from regular defense to chainsaw defense. But you already knew that.

 

Your actions are what lead me to believe you are mafia.

 

You start out with that ridiculous OP challenge thing, like Leelou said to WOW the crowd with your skills. Then proceed to demand that town follow you to victory. You don't say a town victory tho do you?  And several times you have stated that anyone that grinds against you must either not like your style or be mafia themselves. How about I just think you are mafia?

 

No one else may agree now but at least you will be looked at with a bit of scrutiny going forward.

 

 

Back to reading... trying to get caught up after holiday and being up since 1 am for work ... back to page 10

[Darthe]

I think Hoof would make an excellent woman. Here's to you girl!

[Turin Turambar]

Current thoughts on the List of Players:

• 01 - Peace:  The refusal to directly state his reasons for voting elf was a bit weird but it was fairly obvious to me that he was saying that he agreed with Cloud's case against her. The snark fest with Tommy is fiesty peace. Slight town lean
• 02 - Cloud (mentored by Darthe): Severe buddying to Tommy. ("yes sir"? ) as well as chainsaw defense with regards to elf's case against Tommy. He has been quite eager to get thru D1 it appears. This is usually more evident in mafia members that have good roles they want to utilize. The "i'm excited for this game" line doesn't fly for me. When you made the comment "when are we going to lynch Turin or Hoof" there wasn't much hoofie discussion yet. I was wondering why you picked him to put in there with me. You were following Tommy onto me so that I get but why hoofie at that point? or was Darthe pulling your strings there like with the Leelou is town thing? Mafia #2
• 03 - Krak (mentored by Verb) not much here yet to me. seemed to be primarily peanut gallery type posts. Undecided.
• 04 - GoldenEyes (mentored by Despothera) his vote on elf came across as a bad Despo impersonation. Like he wanted to sound like Depso but didn't want to put in the effort to multi quote. Just looks like lazy play so far. undecided tho.
• 05 - TommyRod: Mafia #1. attempting to lead the town.  advocated the "look at inactives" it works every time. Only the SithMafia deal in absolutes. A few other things.  Is Cloud more pro-town than you are? You are constantly defending each other and working together too much.
• 06 - Leelou (mentored by Wombat) Are you still voting Nolder? You accused me of parking my vote on Tommy but you put your vote on Nolder before he even checked in. maybe hypocrisy is the new black. And if I am tunneling and trying to get him voted out for whatever reason my vote isn't parked. Added to the Tommy defender team. The little shot Night 0 could easily be a distance ploy. If Tommy is mafia like I think then she could very well be also. mafia lean.
• 07 - Theodora (mentored by Key) Only thing I recall is her early call out of Hoof for claiming Hoof... Were you serious about that? I wasn't sure if it was sarcasm or not... Undecided
• 08 - Elffern (mentored by Dap) The interaction with Tommy early was interesting. I think she was trying to say that She found Tommy pushing for everyone to play his game off. The not voting until later in the day especially on D1 is classic Dap from about 9 months ago. That she has adopted it is reasonable I guess since she has been away for a while. town lean  
• 09 - Hally (mentored by Yates) More posting please ( yates must be turning over in his grim reaper hut) Incomplete. 
• 10 - BFG - Innocent Child -Back away form the alcohol and post more please. you are the only person we know is trying to help town win so all input and thoughts are valuable
• 11 - dansyc (mentored by Kaylee) ABSENT Waiting for replacement
• 12 - Nolder: didn't like his advice to BFG. Also didn't like that he called cloud out for actively trying to get a lynch on D1. There is no such thing as pressuring without the intent to lynch. it is like saying that you are voting someone to pressure them. If the votee doesn't think that you are serious then they will just ignore your vote. Also has been fairly reasonable which is usually a sign of mafia Nolder. slight edge to mafia lean. 
• 13 - BlackHoof: was behaving with just the one silly Blackhoof post which caught Thea's attention. Leaning town still at present
• 14 - Turin (advised by Pray) Town. but only I know that at present.

 

Mafia: Tommy, Cloud, maybe nolder, maybe Leelou. 

 

Town: BFG, Turin. 

 

. 23 hour day at present. Good  Night now

[GoldeneyesND]

 

##vote elffern

 

Because you've posted ad nauseum about why your opinion is bestest and right. I find you overly defensive, frenetic, I disagree with a substantial portion of your logic and you engage in endless whyme fryme. Even if the scum vibe I get from you is wrong, I don't find most of what you say to contribute to actual scumhunting, other than to FOS several people and then submit an OMGUS vote which you lyingly claim is based on gameplay.

Whereas you have lain quite low, this is what, your third day one post? And I'm the only person to have pointed that out as yet, unless I misremember.

 

Most of my posting has been to refute others. Obviously I think my opinion on what I did and why is right and neatest, because I know why I did what I did.

 

Heh whyme fryme, that's an interesting concept (thank you Google) , however I'm still not entirely sure why peace voted me. Perhaps I'm just being stubbornly thick, but I would still like to know, because I like knowing stuff.

 

1. If it was omgus wouldn't it be on cloud?

2. Shouldn't I have done it right away?

3. Why am I lying? Evidence please.

 

 

Elf, I did a skim of the thread and I gave my impressions of the players in the post before my vote. i voted you for the reasons I gave. It seems that your game strategy is not to question statements or ask for better reads, it's to ask people why they think you're scum and to justify why their game logic is wrong. That's a great way to pad your post count while essentially only trying to avoid your own lynch. I think that's scummy and unproductive. Did I say I have been the most active and best scum hunter? No, cause I've been pretty inactive. When I don't like someone's actions in a game I vote for them. If I see someone else more deserving of the vote, then I switch my vote. Your next thousand responses will be to ask why I didn't answer your questions. I won't cause I'm not interested in following instructions, just like I wasn't interested in playing Tommy's dumb opening post game at the beginning. Maybe you're a victim of my own pet peeves, I hate it when people keep repeating themselves over and over. 

 

 

Golden...your reaction to my vote on you is to insult me?

 

Yep. I put the same amount of thought in my response as you put in your vote. Elf was upset she wasn't getting reasons for why she had votes. I gave her my reasons and you decided it was worth an aha post and a vote. I responded with the appropriate level of concern. And that wasn't an insult, it was a flippant retort. I should note that I didn't pop up and FOS someone and leave, I voted and gave what I consider valid reasons. Something you appear to endorse below. 

 

No..it's not a appeal to emotion.  You are misinterpreting.

 

I don't care if I get lynched.  I never do if I can be useful for information gathering. 

 

My point to him was, instead of just floating the idea out there, back it up with a vote.  Otherwise it comes across as seeing who else will grab on. 

 

 

If he feels I am scum, then he needs to vote me.

 

I'll get around to being constructive and posting actual reads in the morrow. 

[csarmi]

Got word of Theodora. She's been ill. She's recovering and she'll be back soon.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

Stick to teaching the rest of your team on your QT for now please. 

 

 

And BTW, I think I said I've seen skilled players do it to great effect, not that you were doing that now. I further disagree that there is any one way to play mafia. So trying to imprint your playstyle on others is not in the best interests of the game itself. It may be in your own best interest as it makes it easier to play with others that play a similar style. You and nolder going  all "sole arbiter of play" here is pinging quite loudly to me. 

 

If you are not sane enough to realise where you are at any particular time then maybe you are not the best choice to follow. And it was more along the lines that you used Peace's comment about poker as a means to attempt to distract you when again you were the first to mention it. So maybe you shouldn't introduce things that you don't wish to talk about? 

 

From the mouths of babes appear some of the most universal truths...

 

Carry on. I shall be out for a bit

I don't particularly feel like simmering down just because you tell me to :P

 

If you wanna see how I play then read my only other game on here

 

There is a method to my madness and I get there in the end, even if I lay waste to the game to do so. Soz if you don't like it.

 

I don't know what to make of your attitude ATM; it's hard for me to tell with the Stubborns

 

Maybe you actually do believe what you're espousing here. Your perspective seems odd

 

If you're town you can prove it to me by going after actual scum

 

Last first. When were you confirmed as town? BFG is the innocent Child and therefore the ONLY confirmed townie at present. So for you to go around like you are the instructor of mafia in this game where even the experienced have mentors(or advisors) is ridiculous. I have used similar tactics in a game here at least once. There was a new player game and my student vanished at the start of the game making me the player. I was able to lead the town of new folks to achieve mafia victory. I have also seen Dap employ this in the Indiana Jones game I helped(term used loosely) Ithi mod some time ago. So forgive me for not being ready to follow into lock step with you. 

 

I'm not gonna stop questioning you just because you want me too either so I guess we are at an impasse *insert PB gif later maybe* 

 

I have read some of the other game. meh.

 

Stubborn is a valuable trait at times. If you don't know what to make of my attitude then perhaps you are not as good as you think you are. My perspective is odd? meaning that it does not agree with yours. how wonderful. Since I think you are the most likely mafia at the moment followed by your most pro town player cloud. In reading to here I did notice a lot of chummy behavior between you including where he defended you from elf. you called him out but backed off the defending charge from seeing his vote on elf. All that does is turn it from regular defense to chainsaw defense. But you already knew that.

 

Your actions are what lead me to believe you are mafia.

 

You start out with that ridiculous OP challenge thing, like Leelou said to WOW the crowd with your skills. Then proceed to demand that town follow you to victory. You don't say a town victory tho do you?  And several times you have stated that anyone that grinds against you must either not like your style or be mafia themselves. How about I just think you are mafia?

 

No one else may agree now but at least you will be looked at with a bit of scrutiny going forward.

 

 

Back to reading... trying to get caught up after holiday and being up since 1 am for work ... back to page 10

 

 

Yikes. This isn't helping your case any. Your argument of "teaching the town" is one that has already been used by someone else on another player. You use a case of semantics (just like Peace did) to argue that my wording was odd and I am a cocky player so I must be mafia?

 

If that's your case, then you're proving my point that you're not scumhunting. Cloud isn't mafia, I'm not mafia, and you don't seem to be leaving yourself a logical route out of this tunnel you're digging. 

 

Talk to us about Hoof. 

[Tommyrod]

[Turin Turambar]

How can you know cloud isn't mafia? You say that like it is a fact.

 

Hoofie is Hoofie. He is commonly lynched D1. I think that there are reasons for it. He will say something crazy during the day and then it will be latched onto and pushed as a definite mafia tell. Lynched in error. Then the mafia all go "well it was his own fault for ..."

 

I find it odd that your main line of reasoning so far has been that if anyone disagrees with you they must obviously be mafia. No one but the mafia know who the mafia are at this point, and there are few ways for townies to know any other townies either.

 

 

So you guys gonna claim masons now? Cause if your not mafia, they have already surmised that is about the only thing that could justify your complete faith in cloud at this time as well as his in you and the banter you are throwing back and forth.

 

You have krak in your unsure pile. What did you think of his following you guys onto Hoofie?

[Tommyrod]

How can you know cloud isn't mafia? You say that like it is a fact.

Hoofie is Hoofie. He is commonly lynched D1. I think that there are reasons for it. He will say something crazy during the day and then it will be latched onto and pushed as a definite mafia tell. Lynched in error. Then the mafia all go "well it was his own fault for ..."

I find it odd that your main line of reasoning so far has been that if anyone disagrees with you they must obviously be mafia. No one but the mafia know who the mafia are at this point, and there are few ways for townies to know any other townies either.

So you guys gonna claim masons now? Cause if your not mafia, they have already surmised that is about the only thing that could justify your complete faith in cloud at this time as well as his in you and the banter you are throwing back and forth.

You have krak in your unsure pile. What did you think of his following you guys onto Hoofie?

Cloud is the least likely mafia because he's actively working to both accuse AND clear people. It's organic and convincing enough for me to call him my strongest town lean. From my end it's as much a fact as it can be without him being mechanically cleared. Could my opinion change? Sure, but he'd have to really mess up.

 

You are only doing the former, accusing people, and on the two people who have been the most vocal about both scumhunting AND townhunting. How is that pro town behavior from you?

 

And if you had read my posts, you'd know I asked Krak to elaborate on his vote. It's only a few posts back.

 

Not a good look for you. Tell me about Krak, Nolder and Golden since you wanna discuss the grays.

[peacesells]

Didnt you accuse Turin of stating  I was town previously?  Is that not "town hunting?"

[Turin Turambar]

you didn't say Cloud was your strongest town lean. you said "cloud is town. I am town", referring to yourself. That was a definitive statement. Not an opinion. You seem to be back tracking from that now. Why? As the most vocal it is most important that the town know your alignment as soon as possible. Otherwise the potential for being led astray is too high. No one is Town until they are confirmed town. lean all you want. 

 

I did miss the Krak request. well done.

 

 Golden, not much there yet. He says he will be more active. We will see what he has to say. The elf vote post looked like bad Despo. Maybe Des is not as adroit at puppetmastery as Darhe, lol.

 

Nolder. I mentioned how I didn't really like his "advice" to BFG. That reasonable Nolder is often mafia. (look at the Discussions forum if you want yo see unreasonable Nolder). And that I disagree with his stance that Cloud was wrong to seek a lynch of someone he thought was mafia on D1. If you don't seek to lynch then there is no real pressure. It is just posturing to look like you are interested in achieveing a lynch. Mafia are more interested in posturing as it gets them things they want.(info into town PRs, outright claims where possibly unneeded) 

 

Krak looks to be taking potshots from the preiphery. His follow along vote onto Hoofie pinged. I must admit the the "player X doesn't look good right now" phrase as voting justification irks me. If you think the player is worth a vote you should be willing to say they are mafia in your opinion. Not much else has stood out to me on him. There was an odd thing he said about me but I don't remember it at the moment and am not bothered to dig thru the thread to look tbh.