[Basic] Weasley vs Malfoy at the Ministry - Game over - Weasleys win

[michellem]

I gotta reread D1 to see who was happy sitting on the sidelines.

[BFG]

bah - GO TOWN

[michellem]

Oh all the action going on since my last post! not sure if I'll be able to catch up on all that today!

 

 

 

It's been decided the set-up's okay?

 

Day 1 has started and GF is basically questioning the Mod?   Looks like not wanting to get into game talk to me. 

 

VOTE GF

 

 

Peace spent most of D1 tunneling on GF, and not commenting on much else until he suddenly turned on Csarmi, and then he only commented on Csarmi for the rest of the Day. He has one posts where he meta-defends Des, and some general game/vote-talk, but nothing about any other players, or offering up original thoughts except his tunnelig. It should be pretty obvious that his pressure on GF wasn't going anywhere, in either reactions from GF or votes from anyone else. But he still parked his vote and attention there until Csarmi came properly in the limelight. Does not give me a good town feeling. I'm not gonna bother quoting all his posts, ya'll know how to find them. They're worth a look. FoS on Peace.

 

 

Vote Csarmi

 

I´m sure I have this figured out already. 

 

 

 

Vote Csarmi

 

I´m sure I have this figured out already. 

 

Salami, GF and Des? 

 

 

 

I think we should policy lynch everyone that doesn´t play exactly like I want them too. 

 

Unless Des is using this game to change his mafia meta I don´t think he is mafia. 

 

 

 

On mobile and i keep losing what i type, so this isn't going to be long. But third times a charm.

@Peace, Leelou, why GF?

Also, why all the votes with no reasons?


vote csarmi i don't like his reactions to being voted or the almostt OMGUS on des

 

I didn't really like his opening post questioning the mod then disappearing. Tina posted she has the game figured out so I wanted to see what she had to say. So far she's ignored it. She's one I can read after a day or so, so for the moment I'm watching her. 

 

 

This I found very interesting. Tina said she thinks she has it figured out... But never offers up anything more than that. Leelou baits her with a few names, Tina never responds to it in her next post. Leelou and BFG has this exchange 2-3 posts after the post from Tina here; she still doesn't respond to it. That, added to the fact that she never really offered up anything proper on D1, pings me alot. FoS.

 

Des is right I do wait for something to jump at me D1. Its D1 after all, no DL is set and i wanna be a bit careful. I dont want PR claims D1 yet again.

 

Having said that GF's last post...totally random does not answer anything people have been saying about GF. Lets see if he responds to vote pressure

 

vote GF

 

Dice chooses to vote GF after being pressured to vote from several directions (Csarmi, Des, Peace if I remember correctly), and instead of choosing one of the players in the limelight, he chooses GF... After having seen that GF has commpletly ignored one pressure vote and several urgings to participate more, this is how Dice feels like he can contribute the most at the time? Feels like looking to participate without having to actually do something. FoS.

 

 

Sorry for not playing. I focused on the Vacation mafia but that is over now. I will re-read later and be more active after that. 

 

Tina never came back with any opinions or reads after her re-read. She didn't even answer statements made directly to her (look above).

 

unvote vote csarmi.

 

This aTe is the clincher.  Csarmi is obviously scum. 

 

And here Peace switches from GF to CS... It was the perfect timing if you're mafia looking to go with the flow. Csarmi was an obviosu vote target right then, a perfect excuse to join a train.

 

 

 

So you want to policy lynch players that are inactive? Sounds like a conversation that has been had around these parts for many years. A few people get behind the idea every time, and then it goes nowhere.

No, I think that replacing or mod killing inactive players is the job of the mod. The people who are playing the game shouldn’t have anything to do with deciding about it.
 

 

It is a team effort to cleanse the game of inactive players.  If normally active players are inactive, whatever.  It happens.  They get a pass and everybody continues about their business.  It is the habitually inactive people that hurt the game.  Those people need to be dealt with by both mod and players; otherwise, nothing will be effective.

 

Ok, I'm done talking about this topic as it isn't relevant to the game.

 

 

On the topic of reveals, I'm undecided about whether I believe Salami.

 

 

Verbal is one of those nudging the Csarmi-train on, but it takes him 7 pages to actually place a vote. Csarmi had been sitting at L-3 for those seven pages until Verbal placed his vote. It's small, but it caught my eye. Now quite a FoS, but slight ping.

 

 

 

AVM, would you mind giving a character claim?  I think it will help the survivors at the end to know how many claims are real or not.

 

I would think that it would go without saying that Fred and George are lovers -- I am Fred.

 

 

Unvote, Vote AVM

 

 

Boom. You are not Fred; I'm Fred.

 

 

Given AVM's flip, Cloud is more or less confirmed Fred, and thus confirmed town, in my eyes. If I have understood the claim-mechanics that is, since no-one else has spoken out against it.

 

So you are saying that the lovers ain´t Fred and George? I just figured it would be them. Do we have anyone cc´ing lovers? Because if we have, then it looks like we have found two scum on day 1 already. 

 

 

I read the thread and I don´t know what to think. What if Csarmi only thinks that AVM is his lover? Maybe he is in fact lover with Cloud? I think that if we should lynch any of those I would pick AVM. 

 

As usual I´m a bit suspicious of Verbal who seem to be discussing things that no one else discusses. But we´ll see. Not so sure about Leelou. I really want to lynch GF for ignoring the game completely. He checks in but doesn´t comment on anything. 

 

So vote GF or AVM? 

 

 

I don´t know. I´m  a bit confused. Before we started I just thought it would be obvious to have Fred and George as the lovers. Town + town. But Csarmi claims to be George and Cloud claims to be Fred. I don´t think Cloud would do that as mafia. So that leads to the thought that both Cs and AVM are mafia but no one else has claimed lovers. But why would Thorum make the lovers scum + town. It doesn´t make sence theme wise. That is why I wondered if he is messing with the QT. But that would be bastard modding so I take that back. I just don´t know. 

 

These quotes from Tina... *shakes head* They give me a very, very bad gut feeling, added to the points above.

 

In my opinion, of the three, Cloud is probably town. I'm wondering about Tina for something she said,

 

Thorum hinted that he liked mathematics, and I think that's what we have here. There are these puzzles, like the one where one person must always lie and another always speak truth and you must find out a true answer. For mafia and town, the claims and speaking truth and lying are not completely symmetrical.

 

Care to share exactly what Tina said that you're wondering about?

 

Sorry for my absence guys, I forgot to mention I was off on my 5 day break.

No coroner reports? Why wasn't this mentioned in the rules? Usually no coroner report games are advertised as such, since so many dislike them so. I hate to day it, but Imight start to be going along with Mish's earlier thinking- this doesn't seem like a basic setup really, and I am a little worried about its balance. Not enough info yet, but the signs we have so far are disconcerting.

CS flamed out like he has as town in the past, criticizing the intelligence of all who do not agree with him, but of course if his team knew there wouldnt be coroner reports that could have been meta abuse. Guess we'll eventually find out.

 

This post confirms my gut feel about Des; he's town. If he was mafia, he'd know CS and AVM was town, and this stupid-moment wouldn't have happened It doesn't read fake to me; it reads as genuine confusion.

 

Also, Leelou is playing a strong town game so far, in my opinon.

 

So FoS on Peace, Tina and Dice, of the three my gut speaks strongest for Tina, so that's where my vote will go right now.

 

 

Vote Tina

[Niniel]

I´m more inclined to take a look at those who were on the lynch train than those who wasn´t. I´m borrowing a computer for the moment but I will go back and see what I can find tomorrow. Your vote yesterday didn´t look very good, Mish. I also wonder why you don´t like the votes on GF. GF did nothing yesterday. He showed up and... nothing.

 

 

To answer you: The "I´ve got it all figured out" was of course just an ironic thing to say. We have some people here that likes to throw lines like that around but I´m not one of them. I think most people understood that. So of course I didn´t answer Leelou, because it was just a joke.

 

I gave my thoughts after my re-read. Mostly I tried to figure out the lover thing. I did not believe that Csarmi was mafia.

[michellem]

Nice OMGUS

[dicetosser1]

Thorum

 

please confirm   Do all votes and unvotes need to be bolded and in red? Ive seen a few like Mishs and am unsure if they are counted 

[michellem]

No Dice it's in the rules: If it looks like a vote he'll count it, you don't have to unvote, bold or red.

[michellem]

I'm bolding it to make it easier for others to see.

[Thorum]

No voteformatting is obligated.

 

Nice to see the death thread being 100x more active than the game

[michellem]

Hi dead thread *waves*

[Leelou]

Sorry, been meaning to go back through the thread more. I like the vote on Tina. I'll probably join there after I get a chance to go through the thread in the morning unless anything else jumps out. 

[michellem]

I´m more inclined to take a look at those who were on the lynch train than those who wasn´t. I´m borrowing a computer for the moment but I will go back and see what I can find tomorrow.

 

1. Your vote yesterday didn´t look very good, Mish.

 

2.I also wonder why you don´t like the votes on GF. GF did nothing yesterday. He showed up and... nothing.

 

 

3. To answer you: The "I´ve got it all figured out" was of course just an ironic thing to say. We have some people here that likes to throw lines like that around but I´m not one of them. I think most people understood that. So of course I didn´t answer Leelou, because it was just a joke.

 

4. I gave my thoughts after my re-read.

 

5. Mostly I tried to figure out the lover thing.

 

6.I did not believe that Csarmi was mafia.

 

I relaized I forgot to answer properly to this post. Edited into nice bullet points to make it easier.

 

1. Exactly how did my vote look "not very good"? Proper reasons please, not buzzwords.

 

2. I have explained this. Peace was tunneling on GF, not commenting on the rest of the game. Dice voted on GF, didn't comment much on the rest of the game. They were very easy votes to get away with, an easy way of looking like you're participating, without actually commiting. It's just like EP is always an easy victim for a vote because of his antics.

 

3. Well I certainly didn't understand it was a joke, because you didn't bother explaining that. Doesn't seem like Leelou or BFG got it either.

 

4. Are you talking about this post? You throw around some extreme WIFOM about the lovers, some non-commital comments about Verb and Leelou, without actually explaining what gave you those thoughts, and then you too go after GF, the easy target. But you don't place a vote on either. Nudging on the lover-lynch without comitting to it.

 

5. Figure it out, well. You make some comments, but it seems more like talking to talk than anything else, you don't take a complete stand on anything, just alot of fencesitting and words.

 

6. Well you never said that out loud. And you never tried to convince others of it. And if you thought AVM was mafia, then why should Csarmi's lynch bother you? They were lovers, lynch one, the other goes down too.

[dicetosser1]

mish my vote was entirely about getting GF to make some sense and respond to stuff. just pressure really

[michellem]

Yeah? You saw how well Peace's vote and pressure worked so you thought you'd try the same?

[peacesells]

I'm feeling better about Mish than I did at the end of the day 1.  She's putting herself out there and giving  her views.  (EGFven if I don't agree with all of them.)

 

Quickly to address her concerns on me.  I didn't comment on others because no one stood out as scummy to me until Csarmi started hitting what I consider traditional scum tells.  I'm not sure you can say I was tunneling GF.  I was going after the scummiest individual I saw at that point of the game.  If I were tunneling I would not have moved my vote. 

 

I still think GF is my top choice at the moment.  IMO, scum don't want to put thoughts out there that can be used to analyze them later in the game.  GF has successfully avoided committing to any reads.  And on top of that has willfully ignored statements addressing this.  VOTE GF

 

I haven't gotten a scum vibe from Tina although Mishes case looks decent.  I'll have to re-read to look at those quotes in the context of the game at that time to see how I feel about them.

[peacesells]

Yeah? You saw how well Peace's vote and pressure worked so you thought you'd try the same?

 

Just to clarify.  My vote was not for pressure.  My vote was for real.  I'm not a big fan of pressure votes.  It's an easy excuse for scum to use and hide behind. 

[dicetosser1]

mish it is very easy to ignore one vote against you. If someone adds another   and often another comes after that   then its a bit harder to ignore. 

[Graendals favourite]

Mish, yea it was the things figured out by Tina that got the most suspicion out of me. To me, otherwise too, Tina sounded like she had the advantage of a QT while I also thought her wrong on her conclusions, something I thought the mafia might err on. Clearly the mafia all have names to claim as their own instead of their own, but that doesn't mean townies have. Though, that is a bit mixed up, apparently, considering AVM.

[Graendals favourite]

Yea, being voted in mafia is the most natural thing in the world, and it can give info for later. Why begrudge that. Also, yesterday I was fairly aware of the posts I had made, and knew there couldn't possibly be anything to counter. I was more interested to see if the 'pressure' would build up to something stronger, and see who'd be in the train.

 

As for willfully ignoring something today, I read mish's post, but instead of answering headed for one of my 12 hour sleeps, and replied now.

[hazelkrs1]

I actually like Mish's case on Tina. Was a little wary of her early in the game, but she def seems to be picking up steam. Tina's "Your vote didn't look very good yesterday, Mish" def seemed way too simplistic to me. Like trying to discredit Mish without full on casing her.

 

Vote Tina

[Niniel]

 

I´m more inclined to take a look at those who were on the lynch train than those who wasn´t. I´m borrowing a computer for the moment but I will go back and see what I can find tomorrow.

 

1. Your vote yesterday didn´t look very good, Mish.

 

2.I also wonder why you don´t like the votes on GF. GF did nothing yesterday. He showed up and... nothing.

 

 

3. To answer you: The "I´ve got it all figured out" was of course just an ironic thing to say. We have some people here that likes to throw lines like that around but I´m not one of them. I think most people understood that. So of course I didn´t answer Leelou, because it was just a joke.

 

4. I gave my thoughts after my re-read.

 

5. Mostly I tried to figure out the lover thing.

 

6.I did not believe that Csarmi was mafia.

 

I relaized I forgot to answer properly to this post. Edited into nice bullet points to make it easier.

 

1. Exactly how did my vote look "not very good"? Proper reasons please, not buzzwords.

 

2. I have explained this. Peace was tunneling on GF, not commenting on the rest of the game. Dice voted on GF, didn't comment much on the rest of the game. They were very easy votes to get away with, an easy way of looking like you're participating, without actually commiting. It's just like EP is always an easy victim for a vote because of his antics.

 

3. Well I certainly didn't understand it was a joke, because you didn't bother explaining that. Doesn't seem like Leelou or BFG got it either.

 

4. Are you talking about this post? You throw around some extreme WIFOM about the lovers, some non-commital comments about Verb and Leelou, without actually explaining what gave you those thoughts, and then you too go after GF, the easy target. But you don't place a vote on either. Nudging on the lover-lynch without comitting to it.

 

5. Figure it out, well. You make some comments, but it seems more like talking to talk than anything else, you don't take a complete stand on anything, just alot of fencesitting and words.

 

6. Well you never said that out loud. And you never tried to convince others of it. And if you thought AVM was mafia, then why should Csarmi's lynch bother you? They were lovers, lynch one, the other goes down too.

 

 

I will soon go back and re-read to see who I find scummy. Just wanted to comment on this before.

 

1. I will get the quote when I re-read and tell you why. 

 

2. So everyone not voting for our lovers are scummy? Everything was focused on the lovers yesterday, I don´t find it odd that at least someone tried to look at something else in the game. I´m not defending Peace or Dice, because I don´t know if I think that they are townie or not yet, but I really understand their votes on GF. GF did nothing yesterday. It´s true that I rarely understand him but that doesn´t mean that he is town all the time. 

 

3. Who has the game figured out on day 1? I will be sure to post /sarcasm next time.

 

4/5. What I tried to do was to find out what was going on instead of tunneling on Csarmi. He claimed to be George but AVM was not Fred. I thought it would be obvious to have them as lovers (storywise). Since that wasn´t true then I tried to come up with some other ideas. I was thinking out loud. As I explained, I would have voted the next day but when I woke up Csarmi was hammered.

 

About fencesitting. I know that we often take that as a scum tell but fencesitting does not equal mafia. I will not make up arguments or pretend to be sure when I´m not.

 

6. I unvoted Csarmi and I said that I was willing to vote GF or AVM. That means that I believed Csarmi, right? 

[Niniel]

First - looked at GF´s posts. Didn´t take long. 

 

- He says that he think that this is a game where we need to figure out who lies/tells the truth about characters, since Thorum likes math. He is of course right in this. I wonder if Csarmi´s idea to claim was the right thing after all. Do we have any more players that know that they are can claim their true characters? I can´t. I´m town but can´t claim my character.

 

- He is willing to vote Cs (that is the only explanation) and put Csarmi at L-1.

 

- He said that I seemed to have the advantage of seeing a QT. He didn´t think townies has fake claims but he admit he was wrong. GF - the question is, can you claim as your real character? 

[Graendals favourite]

Yes, I can and must claim as my real character.

[Niniel]

Okay. That is good to know. That makes me trust you more. 

 

 

Next - re-read Cloud´s posts. I certainly believe that Cloud is Fred so he is town. I understand his reasons for voting AVM and then later Csarmi. I will have his case on Des in mind when I re-read Des´s posts. 

[Niniel]

Over to Mish. Let´s skip all the balance check posts. First she had a townread on Des and was unsure of Cloud but thought that Cloud was probably town. She agreed with Leelou that it would be good to clear up the lovers wifom now instead of later in the game. Actually she agreed with all of Leelou´s posts. BFG posted something that made her believe that BFG was town. 

 

Then she starts focusing on Csarmi. She is against a massclaim because we don´t need it. In fact, she thinks it´s a distraction. Do you still feel this way, Mish? Because I feel that it would be very helpful if everyone could start with stating if we can claim our real character or not. 

 

Here is the post that I thought was scummy. 

 

Almost ten new pages, sheesh. Did not expect that today. Lots of interesting things happening though.

 

Well, scum won't touch you now with all the WIFOM out there. Plus, Day 1 would be perfect to clear this all up if you are both town instead of later in the game when the numbers will be dwindling. 

 

I agree 100% with this...

 

 

 

 

Well, scum won't touch you now with all the WIFOM out there. Plus, Day 1 would be perfect to clear this all up if you are both town instead of later in the game when the numbers will be dwindling.

Now that's an anti-town agenda you're pushing there Leelou.

If one of us is scum, let MAFFIA worry about how to remove us and when - cause they would have to do that eventually and you know that very well.
If both of us are town, you should be happy that maffia won't shoot us.

Win-win?

Yes if we keep staying alive, the case has to be reconsidered, possibly daily. But this is surely the worst time to clear that up.

 

 

If one of you are scum, it's best for town to vote you, doncha think? And this will come up daily and distract from the game. Plus, we have 2 claims of Fred. You brought yourself into the spotlight by your play. You were not playing an overly townie game no matter how much you think you were. 

 

 

Again, Leelou speaks alot of sense, I could quote all of her posts since the claims came out and agree basically... Strong town feeling on Leelou now.

 

 

Also town feel on BFG for her last few posts.

 

 

 

Now, Csarmi: Quit it with all the AtE. I do get being frustrated by mafia games. But posting a hundred times and being super emotional doesn't help the game. So many doesn't understand that... The only thing to do is to STEP BACK, breathe, and come back when you're calmer. It does NOT help town the way you're acting this evening and yesterday. In fact, it seems more like you're out to ruin the game for everyone else since you're sick of it. That's probably not the case, but that's what it comes across as. I've had games where the game was a horrible chore, but I do my best to suck it up to make the game as pleasant as possible for everyone else. Remember that basic mafia recently where I was mafia and I think you were the doc? I was ready to lie down and give up the second I replaced in, I was angry and frustarted everytime I had to enter the thread, but I didn't let it show because it would have ruined the game fore veryone else. I'm not perfect and I've had times where I've let my bad moods seriously slip, but not to this extent. Get a grip.

 

Now onto the gameplay... I'm also opposed to the mass claim idea, mainly because we don't need it to win. It's a mechanic, yes, but not a puzzle we have to solve to win the game. I'd much rather look at actual play, than focus solely on the claims and true claims or whatever. It's a distraction, and you've provided more than enough distraction already. Guess that makes me scum too, we're starting to become quite a list.

 

Let's get this over with shall we?

vote Csarmi

 

For rudeness, to get rid of the emo, for huge attempts at distraction town from scumhunting, for his lashing out at Cloud (wich my town read has been more solidified for his exhanges with Csarmi now) and just because I feel like getting some info on the table now.

For flinging around

 

She is voting Csarmi for being rude, because he went emo, because he distracts town from scumhunting, for lashing out at Cloud and because of info.

 

I would say that when Csarmi act like that he is almost always town. Almost... Him being rude and emo is annoying to us, but not in fact a proof of being mafia. Finally she does it for information. I feel that this was an overexplanation and also bad  reasons for voting Csarmi. She is accusing people of voting GF because GF is always playing like this, but the same goes for Csarmi. 

 

Mish said that she would focus on those that was sitting on the side line. I took it as she wouldn´t focus on those that had strong scum reads on Csarmi. Since I´m pretty sure mafia wanted us to get rid of the lovers I think that they were vocal about lynching Csarmi. Now she did mention Verbal and Peace so I will think about it when I re-read their posts.