August 9, 2013: CONCLUDED

[Hallia]

Glad to have you tiink, though I'm sorry you're hurt :(

[Nolder]

Vote: Csarmi.

 This was a sheep vote. I checked all three threads to see if maybe Razen said anything at all prior to voting Csarmi but he didn't. He sheeped each time. Not a huge deal all things considered but I am making a note of it now in case he ends up on the hot seat later.

 

Don't come any closer. I'll do it, I swear.

 This smells like a softclaim for a bomb role or something similar in retrospect.

Considering mafia in the other thread had a vengeful killer makes me wonder if maybe BG isn't the same.

 

 

Don't come any closer. I'll do it, I swear.

 

Do what?

 

 Worrisome because Razen really hasn't talked that much. But it seems like he may have noticed the bomb hint and goes fishing for a harder claim.

Could be Razen is a SK? Would explain why he's been so standoffish, at least in this game, and also explains why he'd be wary of a bomb.

 

 

 

That completely defeats the purpose of lynching him at all really.

Are you and him scum together in this game?

 

 

Ok I'll put it this way. We stagger the lynch, heck doesn't matter which thread to me, so I arbitrarily chose this one.

Doesn't address the fact that that ruins the strategy of lynching him at all in any thread.

 

 

Handsome.

Charming.

An excellent mod.

Can eat a bag of dic#s hotdogs.

Reads my mind.

 

Welcome to Town Pile, Nolder, population 2!

 

Aw yeeeaaah. Me and my buddy Yates here gonna wreck some scum today.

 

When I made this post it was actually a note for the future that I read this as Yates buddying.

Bringing it up not because it's a stark contrast to how Yates is acting towards me in the 1605 thread.

I don't believe I've acted that different in that game compared to this one but Yates is all up in my grill there but here he's made a point to be my BFF.

 

VOTE CHARMI.

 

A charmi lynch in this thread is best.  Not yet sure about the other 2.

 This is very interesting considering what comes later. Peace comes in and basically sheeps the Csarmi train and says, with no reason given, that this thread is the best thread to lynch him in even though the train on Csarmi was made over the fact that he was purposely acting the same across all three threads.

 

 

 

Ok. He flips town ITT. Now what?

Same question again only he flipped mafia.

Why would that change anything?

 

If town...next thread.

 

If scum..you think a bit cause it's less likely he is scum elsewhere.  Not impossible but a pause button would be appropriate. Especially if we are doing this because we think he is just creating a meta across all 3 threads to hide his scum persona.

 

"Think a bit".

I'm sorry but that is so meaningless. Just like "getting info".

It's intangible promises and expectations. You are not presenting me with hard reasons just "what if" arguments.

 

It looks to me like you and others are trying to stall his lynch under the guise of being the voice of reason. And I don't think you'd be doing it in just this thread if that's all this was.

You'd argue it out over the three threads like everyone was doing with Csarmi before he left. That indicates it was a calculated choice which would mean you're either scum in this game and trying to buy credit off of defending Csarmi whom you know to be town in this game or you're trying to save your teammate. I doubt you'd be so bold this early so it's probably the former.

 

Once Csarmi hangs you're next in this game IMO.

 

 Later he's trying to stall out the Csarmi train which is pretty weird.

There is more in context but I'm not going to quote all the posts.

What I took away from the conversation is that Peace wanted to be seen defending Csarmi but he did it in a way which made myself and others the train harder because we feared it would die out. In the end it makes us look guilty and Peace look like the voice of reason when Csarmi flips town. If he is mafia that was a very clever move.

 

 

Nothing? It means he isn't playing naturally.

Let me put it a different way...we are all at a party, three different parties in fact.

One is formal, one is a kegger, and one is pirate themed.

Csarmi showed up to all three in a ski mask.

It shows us he has an intent, a reason, to "mask" himself. At least in one game and possibly more.

We need to demask him. That's all I'm saying.

I know.  I mean, that's why this is a Salami wagon in the first place.  My question is - why did you quote my gambler's fallacy post?  That post was specifically to disprove Peace's theory that if Salami is scum in 1 thread he is LESS LIKELY to be scum in another.  My post illustrates that since our roles are random, his scum flip in one game has no bearing on his odds of being scum in another game.

 

Ooops

 

Can we edit? To Yate's quote I just meant to link to the Gambler's Fallacy page.

In case anyone wasn't aware of it.

I thought this was weird. I said outright why I linked to it so why was Yate's all concerned and asking me about why I posted it? Perhaps I stepped in the middle of a scripted conversation between two teammates and Yate's was worried I was going to muck it up? Pure speculation but given the earlier instance of buddying and the way Peace has been acting all game I wouldn't be surprised at all if these two were teammates.

 

Cloud said something interesting in the 1603 thread, that got me a little bit curious. 

 

I don't think that a scum team would bus their teammate this early. It would be a big sacrifice and I think they will just try to break it down instead.

 

That got me to thinking about the whole staggering the lynches argument presented by BG here:

 

Ok I'll put it this way. We stagger the lynch, heck doesn't matter which thread to me, so I arbitrarily chose this one.

 

What I think is interesting is that BG proposes to lynch him LAST in this thread.  Normally, you'd see people saying that Csarmi's scummiest in thread A, or thread B, or whatever thread they think and that he should be lynched first in that that thread.  But BG says he arbitrarily chose this one to let Csarmi live.  I'd like to know the definition of arbitrarily he used, because to me, this looks like he's trying to deflect attention from him in this thread by making it conditional on how he flips in other threads to determine whether he gets lynched here or not.  Because that's what staggering the lynch is.

 

Razen engaging BG again. Pointing out that what he was saying doesn't make sense. He doesn't bother to do this with everyone from what I can tell. Seems to have an agenda with BG which lends credence to my theory that he's SK and wants BG dead for softclaiming bomb.

 

At the time, it was arbitrary. Voted him in the first one, kept him on my watch list in the second, and willing to let him live longer in the 3rd.

 

That being said:

 

Full claim: Chandler Rose, I'm uninspired (in other words, I suck) - vanilla town

This claim doesn't sit right with me. You see, I'm vanilla town in this game and my full name is Redshirt #3. You have a full on name.

Unvote: Vote Csarmi

 

Backtracking and name fishing. Notice how after BG starts this thing about the names everyone starts chiming in with my name is this and that and maybe it means this or that and blah blah. Not only not focusing on the game anymore but also potentially revealing what could be sensitive information to the mafia.

 

It's also notable that in doing this BG further pushed the Csarmi train. No one would question it because it was what so many of us wanted to see and by playing reluctant BG has a fallback, like Peace, and can come back later and say well I wasn't sold on Csarmi but you guys really pushed me into it.

 

And, really, Redshirt #3? This is "game #3" right? Or maybe 3 is the number of your scum team? #2 being Peace and #1 being Yates? BG noted himself that Redshirt #3 is not a name.

 

 

Seems I'm just uncool like that and I have to be Redshirt #3.

 

Unvote

What are your names?  Or are you unwilling to name claim?

 

Scripted question?

 

 

 

Seems I'm just uncool like that and I have to be Redshirt #3.I

 

Unvote

What are your names? Or are you unwilling to name claim?

 

Erik Reed, Robert Reid, and Redshirt #3. I guess redshirt might be a playful variation on Reed?

 

Scripted answer?

[Nolder]

Anyway I am apparently seeing a movie today so I need to get ready. I will finish my reread for this thread and work on one for the other thread when I get back.

Still got a lot of reading to do...I only managed to get to page 11. Although I am confident enough in my theories to do this...

 

Vote Peace

 

My theories are just that. Theories. I think for outright scummy behavior the best case is in fact on Peace.

Seeing Peace flip could either shred my theories up or lend them a lot of credit. I think this is the best course of action today.

[peacesells]

Nolder, I wanted Csarmi lynched first in this thread because of BG's actions, not Csarmi's.   I thought BG was trying to stall his lynch here.  I clearly stated that previously.  I never tried to stall a Csarmi lynch. 

[bgrishinko]

If I were a vengeful killer here, why in the world would I soft claim bomb? That's only a deterrent to NKs or hammer votes. Realistically I'd want to put myself out there as a higher priority lynch while cop/Doc hunting... Incidentally, that's exactly what Peace did.

 

Besides, I mentioned to csarmi in T2 that BPV, or bomb in this case, is a role you'd want to play by putting extremely subtle hints to draw a NK. Not hints to avoid one.

[peacesells]

Why hasn't Serra commented on any of this?

[Nolder]

Just got back. Peace I'll address what I saw as stalling in a bit.

BG I am not saying you are a vengeful killer or a bomb necessarily. 

What I am saying is it looked to me like you soft claimed that type of role (the "you kill me I kill you back" kind) and that I think Razen also picked up on it.

[Nolder]

 

 

Well, I'm only voting him in one. I figure the odds would be astronomically high he'd be mafia in all 3 so take him out one at a time. Most info gained this way.

Explain?

I don't understand how we gain more info from lynching him in one game at a time as opposed to all at once.

 

 

He can be lynched on Day 1 in all three threads..but that doesn't mean they have to end at the same time.  Doing 1 at a time has the most opportunity to gain info on possible team mates or opportunistic scum.

 

 

 

 

Ok. He flips town ITT. Now what?

Same question again only he flipped mafia.

Why would that change anything?

 

If town...next thread.

 

If scum..you think a bit cause it's less likely he is scum elsewhere.  Not impossible but a pause button would be appropriate. Especially if we are doing this because we think he is just creating a meta across all 3 threads to hide his scum persona. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok. He flips town ITT. Now what?

Same question again only he flipped mafia.

Why would that change anything?

 

If town...next thread.

 

If scum..you think a bit cause it's less likely he is scum elsewhere.  Not impossible but a pause button would be appropriate. Especially if we are doing this because we think he is just creating a meta across all 3 threads to hide his scum persona. 

 

"Think a bit".

I'm sorry but that is so meaningless. Just like "getting info".

It's intangible promises and expectations. You are not presenting me with hard reasons just "what if" arguments.

 

It looks to me like you and others are trying to stall his lynch under the guise of being the voice of reason. And I don't think you'd be doing it in just this thread if that's all this was.

You'd argue it out over the three threads like everyone was doing with Csarmi before he left. That indicates it was a calculated choice which would mean you're either scum in this game and trying to buy credit off of defending Csarmi whom you know to be town in this game or you're trying to save your teammate. I doubt you'd be so bold this early so it's probably the former.

 

Once Csarmi hangs you're next in this game IMO.

 

 

I'm voting Csarmi in this thread.  And there is no reason to advocate my point in all 3 threads since everyone is reading this thread too.

 

 

If town...next thread.

 

If scum..you think a bit cause it's less likely he is scum elsewhere.  Not impossible but a pause button would be appropriate. Especially if we are doing this because we think he is just creating a meta across all 3 threads to hide his scum persona. 

Your logic here is false.  This is the logic casinos use to take down suckers in roulette.

 

Think about it.  In roulette the chances of any random spin of the wheel landing on black is 18 out of 38 [there's a 0 and a 00 on the wheel].  If the results come out like this:

 

Black - Black - Black - Black -Black -Black

 

What are the odds of the wheel landing on Black again?  It's GOT to land on Red eventually, right?  Wrong.  Odds are STILL 18 out of 38 on spins #7 through infinity.

 

 

My thoughts on this isn't based on his likeliness to be scum in other threads if he flips here.  My thoughts on lynching fast in this thread then seeing what happens is getting reads on those who voted or not voted him here and comparing meta's to other threads.  I'm not saying not to lynch him on all there..just not at the exact same time.  This allows more opportunity for scum hunting. 

 

Going over this again for the third time...it's not as scummy as I thought.

The first time around I was really wary of the Csarmi lynch stalling because I saw it as practically essential for scumhunting.

In my eyes we had to lynch him in all three threads on Day 1 and I was worried that the trains would slow and halt and die off if he wasn't lynched ASAP so I may have overreacted a little bit. The second time around I came looking for evidence to fuel my case against Peace and had a scummy lens over my eyes. That is, everything he said and did looks scummy to me right now. But this isn't really that scummy I guess. I am still extremely suspicious of Peace and I expect to find better evidence when I continue my reread but I can admit when I'm wrong and that's the case here. I can't say that any of this is definitively scummy. At worst it's just a difference in opinion on how we approached the Csarmi situation. 

 

Unvote

 

For now.

[hazelkrs1]

Just caught up. Thoughts will have to wait till later at work tho

[Darthe]

Official Vote Count:

BG (1/10): Serra

Peace (7/10): Hally, Len, Des, BG, Dap, Tina, Cloud, 

Tiink (1/10): Rorschache

Ishy (1/10):Verb

Chuckles (1/10): Razen

Not Voting (8/19):
Chuckles, Yates, Krak, Ree, Peace, Ishy, Tiink, Nol

 

1 Days 21 Hours

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130722T19&p0=745

[serra]

Just came back from a festival and I apparently didn't end up getting lynched. Sweet!

 

Before I read up (which might have to be tomorrow, because I'm shattered):

 

Peace is scum. You simply don't get town fake softclaiming cop. The fact that I'm still alive means either the cop was stupid enough to cc, or peace backpedalled before I got lynched to save himself. Please let it be the latter.

 

VOTE: Peace

 

A general comment about cop play: never, ever out yourself before you need to (either to save yourself or a valuable PR), particularly in a game of this size. Lynching one scum is generally not worth losing the cop. Cop results should be breadcrumbed, so the cop should never need to claim before LyLo.

[Hallia]

He did indeed backpedal.

[dapianoplay3r]

Peace

That bolded statement means that I can see you attempting a gambit like this, as both town faking a viewing, and mafia gambitting. However in this case your timing and stuff leads me to lean towards the mafia side of things

[peacesells]

Ok..my reads after all this.

 

Serra

Hallia

Dap

Ishy

 

Scummiest.

 

Serra previously was very thoughtful in all threads.  Put no real thought into anything that has happened since he was almost lynched.  Looks very relieved to be alive still.

 

Hallia.  Every statement is opportunistic.  Very little original thought and when she does make a statement it is completely illogical.

 

Dap classic scumtell is not being decisive.  Hedging his statements. 

 

Ishy's whole exchange with me early in the play was completely off.  He was being obstinate about the whole Csarmi thing..then wanted me lynched for bad play regardless on whether I am town or not even though "we can't afford bad play now."  Then backed off when I pointed out the hypocrisy of that statement.

 

3 of 4 scum?  At least 2 of 4.

 

Town reads on Despo and Nolder. 

[peacesells]

VOTE SERRA

[hazelkrs1]

Unvote

 

I generally like those reads, and your responses the past day or so have been much better than your responses right after you revealed the faked viewing imo. I still don't think it was a good play, and I think you backed off of Serra too easily, which doesn't quite make sense considering you're now back to voting him, but then again townies are allowed to make illogical moves, and my read on you has shifted back to town.

 

It could have still been a plot to uncover the Cop, so if he's NK'ed anytime soon you'll have pretty much given away your play, so even if it was a gambit I feel you might be handcuffed somewhat.

 

Only thing I don't like is leaving off a read on Chuckles, but it might be like you said earlier and you always find him scummy.

 

Lemme check the last VC to see what the deadline is and what the votes look like.

[hazelkrs1]

Whew busy night. Alright well I started part of this quotegrab before we got slammed and then ran audit, so some of my thoughts might be disjointed, but here goes:

 

Caught up on my break
ok peace. Hmm i could see him doing the like but as despo ppints oyt the timing is all wrong
doesnt feel right as many have said


unvote vote peace
Ill be bck tomorrow. Its sat night at a bar. I wont be fre again untill 4am and im not mafiaing then

 

Hmmm. Dap does seem to coattail my reasoning without really explaining it much, seems like a rote comment to justify the vote here. Also the explanation for why he might be gone for a bit seems a little strange, coming from Dap. Not used to seeing him explain how he'll be gone for a while, much less explain that he won't be mafiaing after a night of partying. Minor ping.

 

 

 

Here's how I see the gambit playing out.

T1 just had Verbal killing off the cop with a vengeance kill after Tina revealed. Cloud was a vengeance kill in T2. So it is likely there is a vengeance kill here as well.

Peace makes a cop type of play to lynch Serra. Most people are going to believe that sort of act, because we've just seen it happen in T1 to great success. So using the Cross Game meta, Peace decides to throw this together knowing full well people will "Lemming".

Two fold advantage for scum, if Peace is a vengeance kill then it's a worthy sacrifice because 1. There is a really high chance the cop will counter claim or at least say something to doubt Peace.
2. Even if the cop says nothing at all, he's bound to be one of the remaining people who doesn't immediately vote. This narrows the NK pool drastically for cop hunting.

Well played scum gambit in the bag. That, Peace, is how I think this all went down.

 

I like this post.

 

Peace - I voted you because I think you tried to get the cop to claim. Perhaps it was a way to save Chuckles as well. That seems too obvious though but who knows.

 

 

I like it too.

 

It has to do with all of this forcing the cop to claim business.  I believe that is what he's trying to do.  But I don't see how letting him get off a vengeance kill by lynching him is going to help.  If you believe what BG is saying, I think there needs to be more serious discussion about it that the knee-jerk reactions a lot of people seem to be having.  Because I don't think a lot of people considered the theory that BG posted.  It's the only reason I can think of he'd have been so obvious about it.  Who knows?  His teammates might even have started the whole vote him for lying business as a way to get him lynched for that vengeance kill.

 

 

I REALLY don't like Razen being so sure that Peace is a Vengeful Killer all of a sudden. A post or two previous from him he had first thrown out the theory, and all of a sudden he is completely sure of it. Being sure that there is one in this game as well is somewhat forgiveable, since the other two both had one so many might assume that this one did as well. But fearmongering about the vengeance kill this much, and about a specific person, seems waaaay over the top. He doesn't even act like it's possible Peace could be a VK, he's acting like it's a surety.

 

MAJOR Fos here @ Razen.

 

Just came back from a festival and I apparently didn't end up getting lynched. Sweet!

 

Before I read up (which might have to be tomorrow, because I'm shattered):

 

Peace is scum. You simply don't get town fake softclaiming cop. The fact that I'm still alive means either the cop was stupid enough to cc, or peace backpedalled before I got lynched to save himself. Please let it be the latter.

 

VOTE: Peace

 

A general comment about cop play: never, ever out yourself before you need to (either to save yourself or a valuable PR), particularly in a game of this size. Lynching one scum is generally not worth losing the cop. Cop results should be breadcrumbed, so the cop should never need to claim before LyLo.

 

 

He did indeed backpedal.

 

Yeah, these are two pretty scummy posts indeed. First of all, what Peace did I wouldn't call backpedaling: Backpedaling is when you retreat off a case or read on someone. What Peace did was reveal that he faked a viewing. That Hallia instantly tries making Peace look worse by instantly "confirming" Serra's "suspicions" looks incredibru scummy to me.

 

As for Serra's post, I don't quite believe that he hasn't caught up yet but still found the perfect time to place a vote on Peace. His mentioning of the Cop thing is all too convenient for me, since people had been questioning Peace's play for a while but the Cop thing was only stressed fairly recently. Had Serra not tried to make it seem like he wasn't all the way caught up yet, it would have been one thing, but coming in "while not caught up" just to wagon onto Peace using the Cop thing just seems way too convenient to me.

 

Vote Serra

 

Peace, it's looking like you just messed up in pulling back from the move when he was at L-1, shoulda just waited until he got lynched and if you were wrong come clean and "taken your lumps" as you said. One of the biggest things which made me feel questionable about the whole thing was you saying Serra's responses made you doubt your plan, when I felt their wasn't enough time or context to accurately gauge his response.

[hazelkrs1]

My scum list atm:

 

Serra - his meta doesn't really fit the other two games, and his vote on Peace looks a bit too convenient

Ishy - mainly for that exchange with Peace where he seemed like something was slowly dawning on him... that looked like way too fake of a reaction to the situation

Razen - somehow convinced that Peace is "the" VK in this game, is also apparently sure there is one here (I know, somewhat safe assumption, but still)

Hallia - Always looks pretty scummy to me, votes have been opprtunistic and she only posts to basically egg others on to vote

Chuckles - Always looks pretty scummy to me, and has been whyme=frymeing for a while now. Dude, if you're town, step it up.

[John E. Kelley]

My scum list atm:

Ishy - mainly for that exchange with Peace where he seemed like something was slowly dawning on him... that looked like way too fake of a reaction to the situation

GFY? EAD?

[Hallia]

I know right? First you don't talk enough, then you don't say the right things, no pleasing some people!

[John E. Kelley]

Don't buddy up to me Hobbit.

 

I'll shave them hairy feets of yers.

[hazelkrs1]

 

My scum list atm:

Ishy - mainly for that exchange with Peace where he seemed like something was slowly dawning on him... that looked like way too fake of a reaction to the situation

GFY? EAD?

 

 

 

Real mature there, troll.

 

I know right? First you don't talk enough, then you don't say the right things, no pleasing some people!

 

Be obvious teammates more? Please?

[peacesells]

Lol Desp.

[serra]

Desp, what are you talking about? I was here all of yesterday, and when I got home, I just quickly wanted to check whether I'd been lynched. The only reason I decided to post anything at all was because of peace's post that I hadn't commented on anything. Had I been on since his softclaim, I would have voted him then. Note how I hadn't posted anywhere since his guilty-claim, and this was my first post back. I didn't even open the other threads.

 

What do you mean about it being convenient for me to mention the cop thing? I am town. Peace softclaimed a cop guilty on me, so I knew he was almost certainly not the cop. I deliberately gave neither a defence nor a claim, so the real cop wouldn't be tempted to claim to save me. Surely town-peace isn't bad/arrogant enough to bait a cop-claim based on a read of his own?

 

I'm not sure how to make you believe I hadn't caught up, but I genuinely hadn't. If you're really going to base your case on me on the assumption that I had caught up, I have a train ticket that shows me coming into town not twenty minutes before my post... Frankly, I'm quite insulted you're implying I would lie about my out-of-game circumstances to help me with the game. That's not something I would do as either alignment, as Ree or Yates can confirm.

 

Now to ACTUALLY read up and see why peace hasn't been lynched yet.

[serra]

So peace actually lets my wagon go to L-1 before stopping it. I think that makes his intention pretty damn obvious. He'd already gotten my response. He could have drawn his conclusion about my response in any of his posts before that. But that's not what he was waiting for, he was waiting to see whether the actual cop would do something to stop my lynch.

 

Lemmings indeed...

 

Basically, this post hits the nail on the head:

 

Or you realized the cop didn't out themselves after your play and you would've been roasted next Day phase.

 

 

 

 

Unvote vote Peace

 

Nope. Not ok with fake BS like this.

Think outside the box for a second.  (S)he just saw Verb break down and basically claim scum in T1.  And all Tina had to do was say "Verb is scum" and everyone followed.  Peace saw this as an opportunity to gut check her top scum read, Serra.  Serra did NOT break down like Verb so Peace admitted to the gambit and stopped the lynch.  It was ballsy yes.  But not scummy.  If she had gotten a claim out of Serra?  You'd have a stronger argument.  As it is - no harm, no foul and I feel like Serra and Peace BOTH come out looking Townier for it.

 

 

This post by Yates basically gifts Peace his defence. It however overlooks the timing factor. Peace had several posts to defuse this after my reaction, but only got cold feet when I hit L-1. Why take the risk of him missing the hammer, if he felt his gambit hadn't worked?

 

 

Speaking of which, Yates buying the move as a townie move CONSIDERING WHAT HE JUST PULLED, also pings a good bit. Kinda strange all this, cause if I'm remembering correctly I had faint town reads on both Yates and Serra this game. Seems I was wrong.

 

 

Wait, what? You had a faint town read on me, but it seems you were wrong? What had happened at that point to make me look more scummy? This really looks as though you're setting up the flip on me.

 

 

Tina..you voted me without a reason.  Care to explain your thoughts on why my play is sign of scum? 

 

Basically all several of you are saying is "it could be a gambit."  Is that the best you got?

 

How exactly would this "gambit" play out?  What could possible be accomplished from it? 

 

Let's see.  Pull votes from a chuckles train and push them on Serra...except I stopped the Serra lynch.  Ok..now Chuckles is safe yet I'm on the hook.  Chuckles and I are scum partners in this scenario.  So yall who believe this is the case you are basically stating I'm willing to trade my life for chuckles and let Serra live?  If I'm scum and willing to trade lives...I let Serra die and flip town (if town) and take my lumps the next day.  At least a town player is taken with me. 

 

Ok..let's act like Serra is scum and I am scum.  My play takes heat off Chuckles and points it directly and me and Serra.  That's a wise play for any scum team to make (sarcasm).  That's a pretty effective ploy.  But wait..it's a gambit.  The QT is all about how "no way will they think we'd be so obvious."  But wait...Nolders game was just like that right? I'm not saying it isn't possible (anything is possible in a mafia game) but that is a bold move.

 

Or, maybe just I am scum and was trying to get Serra lynched cause I believe him to be a PR of some sort.  But..I pulled the rip cord and bailed out at the very ended hoping that I could save myself from looking bad...perhaps even gain some town cred.

 

That last scenario is the only legit gambit type play that could be going on here if I'm scum.  But I'm not.  I'm just a little teenage girl who likes social networking and talking with funny accents named Jannessee Linneaux.  Funny that Yates was calling me "she" in this thread.  Wonder what he knows??

 

This post is not bad, except that it conveniently leaves out the true gambit objective of outing the cop. Scum is ahead in terms of material, so the only thing that can really hurt them now is the cop.

 

Desp: which of peace's posts actually convinced you?

 

And what about my meta here is different to 1 and 2? The fact that I'd post even when I shouldn't?

 

My scum list atm:

 

Serra - his meta doesn't really fit the other two games, and his vote on Peace looks a bit too convenient

Ishy - mainly for that exchange with Peace where he seemed like something was slowly dawning on him... that looked like way too fake of a reaction to the situation

Razen - somehow convinced that Peace is "the" VK in this game, is also apparently sure there is one here (I know, somewhat safe assumption, but still)

Hallia - Always looks pretty scummy to me, votes have been opprtunistic and she only posts to basically egg others on to vote

Chuckles - Always looks pretty scummy to me, and has been whyme=frymeing for a while now. Dude, if you're town, step it up.

 

 

This is pretty bad. You even mention that chuckles always looks scummy to you, and give no reason as to why this should be different.

 

I'm almost 100% sure about peace, and desp has been pretty bad recently. The only problem I have with them both being scum is their obvious buddying, but if desp thinks he can get away with it, I don't see why he wouldn't pull peace out of the crap he's gotten himself into.