Kingdom Hearts Mafia - Game 1 - Destiny Islands [Mafia Win!]

DPR · July 12, 2013

Darthe · July 12, 2013

Why Darthe?

Thank you for asking! Ill explain:

Hallys train was bad in the first place. It both started and then continued for reasons subpar to what dirt most of you have on you from regular mistakes during gameplay.

Hally doesn't care enough about the game or her life to be mafia. Her reads are earnest, but not focused as they would be (this is my weakest point, I swear.)

If you were mafia and you had to bus a teammate between Hally and DPR, which train would you be on? Exactly. Thus, proposing that Hally is mafia is saying that the entire DPR lynch was townie, save herself, and that she chose self preservation over saving him at the cost of her own life as Mish did...which I doubt. (No offense Hally)

Hally doesn't look like she will be very helpful this game. It may be too quick for her or something. But that doesn't change that I have a town read on her.

Btw, cop finding the third mafia member or a town RB/doc etc stopping the NK would be awesome.

DPR, you dead. Go be dead.

Hallia · July 12, 2013

None taken, I had some pretty big things happen over the course of the game so I know I haven't put in as much as I normally do.

Nolder · July 12, 2013

Peace, Destiny Islands Villager, has been consumed by darkness.

Nolder · July 12, 2013

It is now Day. You have 24 hours to lynch.

Nolder · July 12, 2013

Voting

no one

Not Voting: BG, Des, Cloud, WBK, Yates, Verbal, Tiinker, Krak, Player, Hallia, Darthe, Tina, GF

With 13 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline.

hazelkrs1 · July 12, 2013

Sweeet I was just gonna comment on it being a long night, comparatively.

Thinking Tiinker is the way to go today, but I wanna review some stuff on my top suspects first. (Those being Tiinker, Krak, Verb, and Tina).

Darthe · July 12, 2013

Wow.. I'm alive.

Best watch out for the OMG it wuz a gambit angle.

Does anyone have a clue why Peace was the NK?

peacesells · July 12, 2013

Peace, Destiny Islands Villager, has been consumed by darkness.

Why...I....outta....

Go town.

hazelkrs1 · July 12, 2013

My big rambling post(s) will have to wait until after audit. But there is a ton of stuff going on in my head...

Nolder · July 12, 2013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVkUvmDQ3HY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8b_h38md4E

Tiinker · July 12, 2013

Quoting Tina here because she nicely rounded up the majority of my Day1 posts for me to use.

Here and playing. Good to see everyone being their normal douchey selves

Vote Tina

Passing off her vote as just oh so obvious combined with this high and mighty post.

@ Kronos - what kind of reasons would there be to vote any of them without any gameplay to look at? What kind of reasons would there be to not vote any of them without any gameplay to look at? Think about that for a second or two.

which is extremely flaky, is just about enough for me.

Tiinker put the forth vote on me - his reason is because I was flaky. At this point I had three votes and Des had two votes but no one was really interested in his "train". DPR started to get some heat and got his second vote right before Tiinker voted me.

At this point in the game, the most pressure DPR had got votes from Wombat and GF. GF's vote was unexplained and Wombat's vote was based on phrasing. I followed my vote on you with questions about what you did and why. It was a legit vote.

And just because something is an opinion doesn't mean it's truth value is unknowable. I have come to my opinion through experience in successfully rolefishing and manipulating people who talk too much at night. You can WIFOM or deceive the mafia with night talk, but it's super risky. Most of the time it's best to shut up unless you really need to toss the dice.

Seriously, you can't see the forest because your head is stuck up your butt at this point. You read me as Town all last game when I actually was scum, and I'm getting the feeling you've got a little complex about it. Hmmm?

And I get the feeling that this is all a trumped up exchange to distance and sow confusion/suspicion in separate directions.

I, too, get that feeling.

Then in the next post it looks like he thinks both DPR and Wombat plays scummy.
They were. I didn't find DPR's chat necessarily scummy, but his interactions with Wombat were questionable. Their posts weren't specifically game related and all it had done was get people to read through their conversation in hope of finding some scum hunting that wasn't there. The talk itself wasn't scumfilled but with only 9 pages in the game and limited activity they were beginning to steer the game in the wrong direction. For the most part I attributed it to to big egos trying to 1 up each other.

I was under the impression that most people were voting Tina for her shoddy replies rather than sheeping. Darthe strikes me as odd. No read, but he seems to be overly excited.

And he also think Darthe is odd. Darthe is odd

Unvote. Vote Tiinker

Unvote. Vote Tiinker

And why myself in particular? You were looking to get reactions, and now you have them. Share some thoughts pls. Or is it all just so obvious? If you were purely looking to garner reactions from people then I don't know why you would echo someone else as quickly as you did, and as the first legitimate case of the day no less. There's no way in hell you wouldn't get called out on it. Not to mention you barely posted. What exactly did you expect to get out of your vote if it wasn't a scummy train on yourself if you didn't follow through with posts of your own?

Ain't buying it.

Why me? He gets really defensive after my one and only vote. As others pointed out he now think it´s my vote that was scummy when earlier it was my unwillingness to answer Kronos´s questions. And then he calls my train scummy.

Your vote was scummy, it so happened that your answers were worse. Calling your train scummy wasn't anything more than me overusing a word because your play at the time was all over the place. If you actually think it's got a relevance then please point out how it's a mafia slip of some sort.. The train is scummy because I'm on it so I'll voice it out loud? Heh heh, no.

Unvote. Vote Tiinker

And why myself in particular? You were looking to get reactions, and now you have them. Share some thoughts pls. Or is it all just so obvious? If you were purely looking to garner reactions from people then I don't know why you would echo someone else as quickly as you did, and as the first legitimate case of the day no less. There's no way in hell you wouldn't get called out on it. Not to mention you barely posted. What exactly did you expect to get out of your vote if it wasn't a scummy train on yourself if you didn't follow through with posts of your own?

Ain't buying it.

Oh, the why me question. Because you were just lazy and jumping on an easy bandwagon?

Unvote. Vote Tiinker

And why myself in particular? You were looking to get reactions, and now you have them. Share some thoughts pls. Or is it all just so obvious? If you were purely looking to garner reactions from people then I don't know why you would echo someone else as quickly as you did, and as the first legitimate case of the day no less. There's no way in hell you wouldn't get called out on it. Not to mention you barely posted. What exactly did you expect to get out of your vote if it wasn't a scummy train on yourself if you didn't follow through with posts of your own?

Ain't buying it.

Oh, the why me question. Because you were just lazy and jumping on an easy bandwagon?

Respond to the rest then. How did you expect to garner reactions? If you're going to call others out on their laziness then first explain your own. The "garnering reactions" cry seems like a poor cover up for your own lazy play.

My vote on Des was not a lazy vote. I think most people get it by know.

When I started to vote day 1 had just begun, there were no cases, nothing to comment on. By the time you voted there were a lot more to comment on. There is a big difference.

Unvote, Vote DPR

Gone for the rest of the day today.

If I don´t remember it wrong this vote came before DPR´s claim. Don´t know what to think about it.

This came after. It put him at L-2 and then Cloud but it at L-1.

I voted purely for consolidation. I had to leave then so I swapped trains.

Tiinker · July 12, 2013

You've struck me the most so far because your claims is too conveniently daunting for the town given your situation and play, not to mention that you tried to turn it on other town members after deadline had passed rather than before. Further, your pushes on people seem contrived and over the top, something that I would normally associate with game starting mechanics but that felt off here for gut reasons that I can't fully quantify.

Tinker pulled some pretty classic chainsaw defense of you and practically mimicked your reads while pushing the Tina lynch which seemed easy at the time, thus I have a moderate scum read on him.

Show me this chainsaw defense? The only "defense" I recall giving DPR was telling Des to take a chill pill and stop being a douchebag when discussing the way he posts.

1. Peacesells - Not posting much. Just driving by when he does.

2. Bgrishinko - Has posted and given me no reason to think he isn't speaking his mind. Town read.

3. Despothera - Thought he was scum, then he went emo, which may or may not be a game ploy. If he's serious, then he's not reading this because there is a Care Bears marathon playing right now on Cartoon Network. If he' still playing, he may want to reach down and try to find his cojones... it might sting at first, but then it feels gooood. heh

4. Wombat - Leading the game something awful. Assumes his opinions are accepted by everyone and accuses others of what he does himself. Scum.

5. Cloud - Riding the fence. Could go either way.

6. Misheru - Seems genuine enough. I've not seen her be that duplicitous, so Town.

7. Wolfbrotherkronos - Seems to be around a lot, but doesn't commit. Could go wither way.

8. Yates - Has hardly posted. Don't know yet.

9. Verbal - Hans't posted enough. Don't know yet.

10. Tiinker - Play seems genuine. Probably Town.

11. Krakalakachkn - Shifty and defensive. Strong scum feel.

12. Dapianoplay3r - Somebody replaced him, right?

13. Hallia - Has barely posted. Don't know yet.

14. Darthe - Asshat

15. TinaHel - Honestly, she got railroaded because she voted after me. Hasn't posted enough outside of her defens to give me a feel for alignment.

16. DreadPirateRoberts - Sexy.

17. Graendals favourite - Likes poetry. Doesn't post much. Loves to vote without giving any reason...

Jokes aside, if everyone does this we'll have a record of where we all stand and might catch something together that individuals have missed.

3 people were labelled here as town. Myself, Mish and BG. Mish was a symp so if this is like any other game then he wouldn't know her alignment. As someone expecting to go under soon -lynch/cop-, why would he give away his teammates in such an obvious manner?

The reason I didn't vote DPR in Day 2 is because I thought Darthe was scum. His posts considering why DPR couldn't/wouldn't have been investigated was taking a bunch of highly improbably scenarios and then dismissing the much more likely alternative. With DPRs claim why couldn't we have just waited for a cop viewing and then have him outed at some other time instead of risking the extra NK. This was Darthe's "full" case.

Tiinker · July 12, 2013

I would love the ability to multi quote on a phone. I can single quote, and if I do it will be about 10-20 posts long, but full case on DPR possibly incoming

I'll tell you that from a Town perspective, it was a mistake to not lynch me - the Town needs info, and without it, we're going to lose. Missing any future lynches is a sure path to a Town loss.

I've tried to say all of this as flat as possible. It's just information. We need it to win.

DPR stated this in the first night. His train has been the only legitimate one of the day. Town can it readily move past this issue without creating serious issues down the road and that is proven by the past two days worth if voting on DPR. Is role is irrelevant to that simple fact, and really is only relevant to the consequences of his life and death if we assume that he is telling the truth.

We have nine hours until deadline right now. The Hally train is a clear bluff (look at my quoted entirety of the case on her) to distract and confuse.

That was your full case? What the hell.

The only casing I saw done was from BG and while I could acknowledge it, I still didn't see why risk it when he could be then investigated? The rest of Darthe's "casing" mainly involved random posts about shit being so logical and calling everyone who didn't vote DPR a dumbass, so forgive me for not being overly convinced.

The chat about how he should've self-lynched was BS imo. If you're town and you trust yourself to do a better job of scumhunting than anyone else than anyone else then why self lynch.. Granted, BG picked this point up from DPRs own tangled up words but I missed that at the time.

I then peaced out and went to bed.

Tiinker · July 12, 2013

I am NOT your best bet for scum today. I think that goes to Hallia or Krak. Hallia avoided voting DPR and pretty much only ever did when she was being accused of not voting for him, or being told to. I won't have time to dig up Kraks posts till later when I get home from work but I'll pick it apart then assuming I'm not speed lynched.

Niniel · July 12, 2013

First my list:

Town:

Tina

Darthe

BG

GF

Hallia

Mafia:

Verbal

Tiinker

Not sure:

Des

Kronos

Krak

Cloud

Yates

I will start with Verbal. Verbal voted Hally and I believe that is a weak case. (She has done too many mistakes to be mafia. Not understanding Yates´s fake viewing, not understanding the beloved part etc. That is someone that just isn´t giving this game enough attention.) After that he is very active but is very good at not talking about DPR or Hallia.

I think you might be right.
vote peace

Speaking of opportunistic, hehe.

I'm happy to receive pressure - but you're in need of it as well.

Vote: Hallia

His vote. He just wants to put some pressure on Hallia since he thinks her vote is opportunistic.

Voting

DPR - Dathe, Cloud, Tina, Player, GF, Hallia, Des (7)

Hallia - Yates, Verbal, DPR, Peace (4)

Darthe - Tiinker (1)

Verbal - WBK (1)

Not Voting: BG, Krak

With 15 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline.

This is the vc before the following quotes. DPR is at L-2. But does Verbal get any thoughts about it? No. Actually he is very good at not giving his thoughts about it.

I swear, info has become such a freaking buzz word lately. "I wasn't being scummy! I was getting info!" seems to be the new knee jerk defensive reaction.

Say what? That idea/term/whathaveyou has been in effect in mafia on this site long before you started playing, and will be in effect long after you've stopped. You can scumhunt your way - I'll do it my way. Are you going to tell me that your way is the only way, or the best way? I sure wouldn't.

Argues with Des about information lynches. Could have been game related if he thought that DPR or Hallia could give more or less information but doesn´t talk about them.

I think Hallia or Verbal are the more obv lynches.

DPR can be vetted or go down with subsequent play by him. His role claim should have nothing to do with voting him.

Despo would be a good lynch too as his emo is a bit strange and looks like a great why to hide behind getting a towny lynched early in a game.

"I'm sorry I got him lynched but I was emo at the time."

To summarize (please let me know if I'm wrong), the case on Hallia (from my POV) is an opportunistic vote. The case on me is that I didn't immediately vote Mish when she claimed Miller. I want that said again.

I didn't vote Mish immediately after she claimed Miller.

So I didn't want to simply take down a townie (Millers are townies, remember) because I was hoping to get a better case than the normal "auto lynch Millers"? Fo realz? I literally waited minutes, and then she imploded and got modkilled. And lucky for us, was a good lynch as the symp. But casing me implies I'm scum - why would I not just pile a vote on Mish? The "auto lynch Millers" is a perfect way to bury a vote - it would never get suspected and you know it. I don't know where this opportunistic casing is coming from, but I'm going to fight it tooth and nail.

He defends himself and why he didn´t vote Mish. People did mention him (especially why Hallia was more suspect than Verb while they did the same thing) so it´s not strange to defend yourself. But remember that he only have one vote.

Too add to my point: mafia want townies dead. They would know Mish wasn't scum (the chance of that being the symp is so small that I'm not even willing to consider it, especially because mafia don't know who the symp is by role design)......so they would simply pile on. They either get a townie Miller lynched in a super safe lynch for them to be on, or they get a power role fake claiming killed....which is even better as it is under the guise of a super safe lynch.

Defends himself by telling how mafia play. Which is of course the opposite of how he did it. Still just self defense.

Too add to my point: BLAH DE BLAH DE BLAH

We get it. You aren't the one getting lynched right now. The horse is dead.

Well, the period after your screen name is dumb.

Yates points out the unnessesary focus on his defense and then he takes the opportunity to begin posting fluff.

I liked him better than you.

(there is another Yates?)

(there is another Yates?)

No. I am the ONLY Yates. (except for THIS jabroni)

Jabroni? Are you the Rock? hehe

Damn I wish I had an ISO button. @Verb, why don't we have an ISO button?

What is an ISO button?

More about posting options.

We can speak at night on DM - so a Cop would have a viewing from the first night and be able to get the information out once he/she has it. Yes, they could be killed the second night, but we can speak at night so the information can still be put on thread just in case.

You people and your silly backwards night talk rules... grumble... grumble... Yeah. I forgot about that. So all we lose is the ability to control a lynch? That makes a Beloved Princess even MORE plausible, imo, and even less of a negative utility.

Interesting point and one I hadn't considered.

I don't think it makes it more plausible, but it does (slightly) lessen the negative utility.

Continues to be vague and general.

This backtracking to post #s is going to wear on me pretty soon. If it is the same page, cool - but if it is a few pages back, please quote or paraphrase so we don't need to go back and forth.

Thanks,

-Verbal

Lazy since 1978

About post links...

Scum can typically speak anytime, and normally mods set up QTs for it. Some do group PMs - it really depends on mod preference. Overwhelming majority use QT, though.

And general talk about how mafia talks. I´m sure that all of this is helpful for Yates and it´s nice that Verbal explains this. Still no thoughts about the players in this game though.

Verbal also wasn't sure about Mish, but his explanations made more sense to me even though he was getting pretty defensive even after people unvoted from him. If he were mafia he could have just gone with the crowd and vote for Mish to gain town cred, but he stood around and waited for some better reactions from Mish who then got herself modkilled.

Actually, that's not true. If Verbal is scum he wouldn't know that Mish was a symp. He would gain town cred by "reasoning" out a miller claim. When she flipped town he would look all rosey. Not by lynching the miller.

Verbal is scum. He can die day 3 imo.

Damn dude. I love you too, but there are people watching!

Don't you get it? I LOSE town cred by not following the auto-lynch miller rule. I expressed hesitation, and was called down by people almost immediately. I'd want people dead any which way I can get them if scum - what easier and cleaner lynch than a freakin' miller?! I'm not sticking my neck out there like that....it's just too damn pretty to be in a noose.

And takes the opportunity to focus on himself again. Safe play since he is not in any danger of a lynch.

meh..usually 1/2 the team pile on and 1/2 look for ways for cred. You were looking for cred.

For emphasis: I. Lose. Cred. By. Going. Against. The. Grain.

I stalled where the proper course is lynch. Do you know if I was planning to vote her? If I could get a better angle on the situation, hell yes I'd vote her. It was literally minutes later, with over 12 hours to deadline. Think about that. You want me dead over a few minutes in which I was obviously LOSING town cred.....the cred you think I was seeking.

And again.

Niniel · July 12, 2013

Ehm... too many quotes and I had to copy it to a word doc. This became a mess but I won´t go back and re-do it. I will just colour my thoughts and you can go back and look for yourself.

@Darthe: it was the most opportunistic vote of the game to me. I don't agree with DPR's lynch. The best option for me is Hallia.

Now, after Darthe asks him a direct question, he answers why he votes Hallia. Very short - Hallia had an opportunistic vote and he doesn´t agree with DPR´s lynch. I think this is the only time he mentions DPR. Why doesn´t he agree?

Verbal32, on 11 Jul 2013 - 02:28 AM, said:

Des, symps don't usually get recruited. They know mafia and win with them, but count for the town.

About symps. Don´t know why he says that they usually don´t get recruited. The majority of the games I have seen here and on JN symps could be recruited.

Verbal32, on 11 Jul 2013 - 02:30 AM, said:

Darthe, on 11 Jul 2013 - 02:27 AM, said:

I just updated that and screwed the quote up.

Hally lynch: Hally made a "scummy"
Comment by not immediately agreeing with the miller/cop claim from Yates. Gained 5 votes in a page for it. Literally is being lynched now for NOTHING past a scummy comment and the pushes of those not wanting to see DPR lynched.

Verb literally did the exact same thing and unlike Hally he knows better. Why is there no train on verb then? Because mafia don't want there to be a train on verb. Why isn't Verb voting DPR considering that Hally did what he did? Because verb is with DPR.

Clearcut and simple. I don't know if Verb is on the scum team with DPR but he clearly agrees with him counter to all logic and the scenario at play.

Wrong, I voted Hallia for her opportunistic vote. It had nothing to do with earlier posts she made that garnered a few votes.

So we know it´s just because of her vote on Peace. So with everything going on in this game, Hally´s vote on Peace is the most scummy.

Verbal32, on 11 Jul 2013 - 02:31 AM, said:

Darthe, on 11 Jul 2013 - 02:29 AM, said:

^ they don't have to know the mafia, but I bet this one did.

I think I said that. Did I say it wrong?

About symps. Why spend so much talking about how symps might work?

Verbal32, on 11 Jul 2013 - 03:10 AM, said:

Despothera, on 11 Jul 2013 - 02:37 AM, said:

Also Verb, come on man. Just leave this for another day. I think you were acting cautious to gain town cred, you obv are trying to fight that. Why does your activity increase like tenfold if you feel the need to defend yourself? You're not even one of he lynch candidates at this point.

Also, vote DPR.

Excellent point on me defending. What does that tell you?

And defending.

Verbal32, on 11 Jul 2013 - 03:13 AM, said:

Despothera, on 11 Jul 2013 - 02:33 AM, said:

Verbal32, on 11 Jul 2013 - 02:28 AM, said:

Des, symps don't usually get recruited. They know mafia and win with them, but count for the town.

False. The vast majority of symps I see lately don't know their teammates first. When I first joined DM, a lot of symps could see the QT, hence people throwing out symp tests on there. For some reason however, that changed, and now symps basically have to wait till they're recruited

Just no. What you see is a variant. What I said is accurate as the original version of the role. If it is changed here now, fine. But it should be called a symp then....it barely qualifies. But that is semantics, so I'll drop it.

About symps.

Verbal32, on 11 Jul 2013 - 03:45 AM, said:

Darthe, on 11 Jul 2013 - 03:31 AM, said:

L-1, Verb it's time for the obligatory bus hammer.

Don't hold your breath.

On second thought, please do.

Shows his unwillingness to hammer. Still no reason why.

Verbal32, on 11 Jul 2013 - 04:12 AM, said:

dapianoplay3r, on 11 Jul 2013 - 04:10 AM, said:

Thanks
Unfortunately due to RL I can't be online as constantly as i normally am
So when I can be here I try to cover everything I miss

Not sure if the game is just pretty fast or the deadlines are causing it
Either way I'm trying to give as much info in as few posts as possible

Prob both, lol.

Just remember that scum is often times the players playing the cleanest game. Townies are more apt to be all over the place with limited information and no support from teammates.

Don´t know how many times I have read this line from him. But I guess it´s the first time in this game. More general talk.

Verbal32, on 11 Jul 2013 - 04:14 AM, said:

*bated

Corrected a word.

Verbal32, on 11 Jul 2013 - 04:17 AM, said:

Happy to help.

Verbal32, on 11 Jul 2013 - 05:23 AM, said:

Wait....townies defend too?

No wai!!!!

Ironic. Is this maybe a defense of DPR?.

Verbal32, on 11 Jul 2013 - 6:42 PM, said:

Looks like I have my work cut out to prove to you guys I wasn't dawdling to vote Mish due to ulterior motives.

As for DPR, well....crap. I ignored the tells because I didn't think he'd make them that obvious. I out WIFOMed myself, lol.

Well crap. He out WIFOMed himself.

Sorry for this last post. Did I over-do it with the quotes. Yes, but for a reason. I wanted to show you that he manages to be this active and still avoid talking about the suspect players. General talk about quote alternatives, how symp works, how qt works etc. All would have been okay if he managed to focus some on this game as well.

Will be back with the Tiinker case

Niniel · July 12, 2013

Realised that I forgotten Player.

Town:

Tina

Darthe

BG

GF

Hallia

Player

Mafia:

Verbal

Tiinker

Not sure:

Des

Kronos

Krak

Cloud

Yates

hazelkrs1 · July 12, 2013

Ok. So. Thoughts. Lol. Literally grabbed 47 quotes, not going to post all of them, and in fact judging from Tina's recent casing (well done btw), I can edit out even moar.

Before I start getting into all that however, and I know Tinker posted this but I thought why not, might as well post it again:

1. Peacesells - Not posting much. Just driving by when he does.

2. Bgrishinko - Has posted and given me no reason to think he isn't speaking his mind. Town read.

3. Despothera - Thought he was scum, then he went emo, which may or may not be a game ploy. If he's serious, then he's not reading this because there is a Care Bears marathon playing right now on Cartoon Network. If he' still playing, he may want to reach down and try to find his cojones... it might sting at first, but then it feels gooood. heh

4. Wombat - Leading the game something awful. Assumes his opinions are accepted by everyone and accuses others of what he does himself. Scum.

5. Cloud - Riding the fence. Could go either way.

6. Misheru - Seems genuine enough. I've not seen her be that duplicitous, so Town.

7. Wolfbrotherkronos - Seems to be around a lot, but doesn't commit. Could go wither way.

8. Yates - Has hardly posted. Don't know yet.

9. Verbal - Hans't posted enough. Don't know yet.

10. Tiinker - Play seems genuine. Probably Town.

11. Krakalakachkn - Shifty and defensive. Strong scum feel.

12. Dapianoplay3r - Somebody replaced him, right?

13. Hallia - Has barely posted. Don't know yet.

14. Darthe - Asshat

15. TinaHel - Honestly, she got railroaded because she voted after me. Hasn't posted enough outside of her defens to give me a feel for alignment.

16. DreadPirateRoberts - Sexy.

17. Graendals favourite - Likes poetry. Doesn't post much. Loves to vote without giving any reason...

Jokes aside, if everyone does this we'll have a record of where we all stand and might catch something together that individuals have missed.

This will be an EXCELLENT tool for us. Thank you DPR. :biggrin:

I'll give more detailed thoughts on it in a bit. Lastly I will say that on my recent reread, Tina looked much less scummy than I was thinking before, and recently she was a distant 4th on my list. Now I've got a town read on her.

Someone else tho, I have flip flopped on. I'll tell you why in a bit...

hazelkrs1 · July 12, 2013

Okay since Tina covered Verbal (ty for that Tina, I didn't relish the thought of doing his case, as it mostly consisted of quoting every post of his yesterday and how he almost never mentioned DPR, or any other players for that matter. Just defended himself pretty much), and she apparently is covering Tink (I had a bunch of stuff on him), I'll get out Krak's case and the doozy I have saved for yall :wink:

Krak:

Hola compadres. Estoy muy excitado para este juego. Vamanos!

I don't like Georgia. Verdana is ok though.

No no Amigo. Usted debe usar Comic Sans.

Vote Tina

Este es mi voto.

I prefer pillow talk.

I didn't really like his spammy spanish stuff when he knew the game had a short deadline

It's 24 hours until night. These are my two best choices for scum so far. Gotta start somewhere.

Vote Despo

Well, we got to start somewhere.

Vote Des

Tina echoes DPR. Could be instinctual due to off-thread conversation and unconscious acknowledgement of DPR's seniority among the mafia team.

This is something I noticed in reread- a couple of people I already found scummy seemed to be trying to link DPR and other people that I now believe to be town. I'll give more examples in a sec. But yeah, this was a really unusual post. DPR's seniority among the mafia team? Note that in the spoiler text above, his vote is on Tina. NOT on DPR, who he says is "senior" of the mafia team.

And just because something is an opinion doesn't mean it's truth value is unknowable. I have come to my opinion through experience in successfully rolefishing and manipulating people who talk too much at night. You can WIFOM or deceive the mafia with night talk, but it's super risky. Most of the time it's best to shut up unless you really need to toss the dice.

Seriously, you can't see the forest because your head is stuck up your butt at this point. You read me as Town all last game when I actually was scum, and I'm getting the feeling you've got a little complex about it. Hmmm?

And I get the feeling that this is all a trumped up exchange to distance and sow confusion/suspicion in separate directions.

Krak linking DPR and Wombat

And I get the feeling that this is all a trumped up exchange to distance and sow confusion/suspicion in separate directions.

I, too, get that feeling.

Tiinker echoes Krak's sentiments (Krak and Tinker are kinda lumped together for me, both are questionable mainly for their voting record)

I stand corrected. Krak was the first to push this point, and his vote is on her.

DPR says Krak was the first one to push the point about Tina's bandwagon vote, but anyone paying attention clearly knows this isn't true (WBK was the first one pushing it, and he and Tina had a few back and forth posts well before Krak pointed anything out). I'm thinking this could have been distancing on DPR's part (if I'm not mistaken he had Krak as scum on his reads on everyone).

Vote Hallia

I'm not seeing a whole lot of effort from her at this point. It looks like she's trying to stave off anything of merit in the hope that DPR is lynched quickly. She posts a couple of "I think so and so is scummy" and then makes no case.

I've seen posts where players have attempted a lengthy defense in sight of a lynch, mostly in which they let their emotion run wild, and turned out scum. I'm not sure why, but for the moment I'm reading DPR as exasperated and annoyed town.

Also, I'm not sure if/why Darthe is "Big Game Hunting," but I want to say that you seem to be blinding yourself to other possibilities and other players. That's not exactly the most worthwhile activity.

So I'm only going to say this once because it's really stuck out to me the past few games I've played, and nobody probably cares too much about my opinion, but I'm tired of the childish back and forth "he said, she said" dynamic that seems to have come to the fore of play style. It reads like this bullshit democratic v republican dross that fills the US legislature these days. The point is to catch someone in a lie because it might lead to the lynching of mafia, not for the gleeful taunting or name-calling that seems to follow most of those situations. Also not sure when defending oneself against accusations and questions was suddenly equated with being defensive. It seems you can't defend without being scummy anymore.

Says he reads DPR as "exasperated and annoyed town". Prob because DPR was "exasperated and annoyed" on their scum QT. LOLOLOL.

He also says Darthe is big game hunting, which is a lame way to discredit someone. How do you defend against that argument?

Leak, the problem is that DPR could individually be lynched for his play or his role claim and yet because he is DPR you newer people won't get on the fugging lynch. "Big Game Hunting" as you called it is an excuse to blow off my casework and pushes on the person who is, by far, the scummiest person in the game IMHO

I mean, that's one opinion. I have played in plenty of games where a player gets over their head, someone or several someones cry for their lynch, and when they're lynched, they turn town. DPR seems to have started making more sense as far as I am concerned. As far as the whole "Cult of DPR," well I can't answer for others, but so what? I'm not sure why this thought exists seeing as how he's a person that I don't even know irl and has no bearing in any way on me as a person (except maybe in how I play mafia on this forum). I vote based on what I think, not how others are thought of (which is why I enjoy alt games so much).

I'm not trying to call out you as a shitty player or anything, just trying to point out what I thought might be detrimental to the town. And while tunneling can be effective, and sensical (especially if you're 100% that someone is scum), it can also be blinding. Just wanted to point that out, nothing more.

Attempting to lynch Hallia at this point is not only counter productive but useless.

Counter productive maybe, but I'd like to know why you think it's useless. Do you think she's innocent, or do you just want DPR lynched asap?

Beyond which, the logic that we can wait on DPR's lynch in the hopes of a PR fixing it later is a stalling tactic. It's not even a very effective one. I've already pointed out that this could be circumvented and even if he does get viewed as mafia it then wastes two days (now) and an outted PR on someone whose play has frankly been subpar.

So is it his play or his claim that has you up in arms? If I remember correctly, you were after him before he claimed. I can't think of slip he's made except maybe the one Wombat called, or, at least, I missed it if one occurred.

Hardcore defense of DPR

Niniel · July 12, 2013

Didn´t see Tiinker´s posts.

I am NOT your best bet for scum today. I think that goes to Hallia or Krak. Hallia avoided voting DPR and pretty much only ever did when she was being accused of not voting for him, or being told to. I won't have time to dig up Kraks posts till later when I get home from work but I'll pick it apart then assuming I'm not speed lynched.

You are not our best bet for scum - that is good to know. :rolleyes:

Good morning, Des. Or maybe good night for you? While I´m looking for the Tiinker quotes can you please explain your voting pattern yesterday. If my notes are correct your voted:

1. DPR

2. Mish

3. Verb

4. Kronos

5. Verb

6. Hallia

7. DPR

Niniel · July 12, 2013

Oh...

8. Hallia

9. DPR

Nolder · July 12, 2013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9TwUF5w-3s

Nolder · July 12, 2013

Voting

no one

Not Voting: BG, Des, Cloud, WBK, Yates, Verbal, Tiinker, Krak, Player, Hallia, Darthe, Tina, GF

With 13 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline.

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