[Advanced] US Presidents Mafia - MAFIA WIN

[Amadine]

See, I am currently not making much sense lol

[peacesells]

I had a WoT typed up and my computer ate it, it's midnight so I will try again in the morning as its midnight here.

I've been copy/pasting everything sizable.  Don't press post without doing that.

[Amadine]

I usually do :/ I was typing up in word so hopefully when I reboot the computer in the morning a recovery file will be there. It is just too hard for big posts from my phone.

[ed2funy]

As for the talk about Red, you either PM her and Kate and myself, or the Mafia Board Mods, if you really have an issue.

Otherwise, since you don't know what is going on, you stop assaulting her character.

 

Personal attacks are not allowed, nor are they sportsmans-like.

 

Also, will post another vote count after PT, if I can.

[Darthe]

^ Thank you.

 

Unvote Vote Darthe P

 

Unvote Vote Darthe VP

[ed2funy]

Reply boxes still acting up.

 

Ama, there is a link for the deadline that should tell you how much time is left no matter where you are.

 

Vote Count - Day 2

 

President

Red Darthe (8) - RTE, Tiink, Player, Rand, Hallia, Basel, Peace, Darthe

Peace (3) - Nolder, Ama, Dice

Nolder (1) - Song

 

Vice President

Rand (5) - Hallia, RTE, Tiink, Player, Basel

Red Darthe (3) - Song, Dice, Darthe

Player (1) - Ama

WBK (1) - Nolder

Dice (1) - Rand

Nolder (1) - Peace

 

Updated Deadline

With 17 Presidents, it takes 9 votes to Elect each position.

[michellem]

Dear god reading through really is killing me, this game has been chaotic to say the least. All the politics-stuff goes right over my head and there's so much stuff going on at once.Here's some thoughts I've picked up along the way:

 

Kae, has mostly posted fluff and not really contributed much. Keep forgetting she's in this game.

 

Nolder: Was the first one to bring up the idea that "electing a president" didn't mean lynching, and advocated it for the longest time when mostly everyone else had figured it out otherwise. I've seen people mention jester, not the first time I've seen people do that when someone acts a bit irrational, but the first time I'm tempted to believe it. Also several cases of skimming, I can think of at least 3 at the top of my head.

 

ReDarthe: My read keep swtiching from post to post actually; but I'm mostly leaning town. I've said before that I'm gonna treat this like an un-themed game; but FDR is one of the few presidents I've heard of and I associate him with being a good president, not to forget an important one that I hardly beleive is a fake claim.

 

Dice, I have an iffy feeling, but not enough for a case, so I'm not gonna take that too seirous now. Just want it out there. Also one of those who takes Red's asking to be replaced as a scum tell.

 

Peace: Got overly defensive over the couple of votes he got and tried do discredit them pretty hard.Also got aggresive on me when I asked him to clarify who had voted him with that reason. From my read-through I've only seem Ama use that direct wording. Could easily lynch Snow, gives no reason for this. One of those wanting to lynch ReDarthe because of Red's asking to be replaced (see below on why I find this disturbing)

 

Hallia: Plays as her usual self, let' others dictate her actions a bit too much (example: unvotes Nol D2 when Kronos comments on it, page 29). Thinks Peace is town for trying to protect Nol from lynching himself.

 

Song: Goes for Nolder alot, can't remember if I've seen her case or push anyone else. Votes Nol with the reason "he wanted us to elect him president" when it was clear he wanted that because he thought it was a kingmaker game; she gives this reason long after he's understood that he was wrong.

 

Rand: Plays like he usually does, has hinted at a PR. The only one I'm quite certain is town at this point.

 

 

 

I have a feeling that we'll find scum between those who's hardest advocated lynching ReDarthe now after the replacement; it's a great location for mafia to hide in, regardless of ReDarthes alignement. If ReDarthe is town, well, mafia wants them dead, and there's been enough WIFOM around ReDarthe that mafia can safely keep their hands clean and espace blame. If ReDarthe is mafia, mafia wants to distance themselves and earn townie cred.

 

I also agree with Rand here (page 31)

Here's an interesting fact, if everyone from Red's VP train switched and moved her to President, she would be lynched.  Well, she would have enough votes to be lynched if we had a VP as well.  Me thinks that some people want to be seen as voting Red, even though they are detracting from her lynch.  *cough*BaselPeaceSong*cough*

Dap was very quick to point out that that was exactly what he and Snow had said, while Song was equally quick to try and discredit that post.

 

 

The two players that I do have a more definite ping from, are RTE and Kronos.

 

RTE:

doesn't give much of his own opnions day 1, asks some questions about mechanics and shows some obvous skimming (didn't think Obama would be in this because of the opening scene... Wich shows Obama being kidnapped and brought into this weird place filled with all the other presidents. Yeah.), has a potentional slip about knowing Rand is town, asks questions about other players opinions, buddies a bit on me, tunnels a bit on Rand. Doesn't really contribute much of his own opinon D2, discusses a bit of game-play mechanics again, posts spam, follows along on the biggest trains of the day.

 

Kronos:

Fence-sitting, slight defending of Nol/"discredits" the votes on him D1, uses others reasons as a reason to vote Rand, was quiet for a very long time D1 until I started prodding at RTE then came in to defend RTE, leans on others opinions a bit, continues defending Nol D2, thinks Rand is scum for jumping on Nol, gets pings from Hallia because she keeps coming back to Nol, confused on Red, points out Rand's hinting at a power role and unvotes over it, wants to hear from Red before voting, does not place a new vote after hearing from Red and doesn't currently have any votes down.

 

Post wth quotes showing my points will follow after this one, I jsut gotta fix the coding and stuff *sigh* Borked DM is borked.

 

But for now:

 

Vote RTE for P

Vote Kronos for VP

 

I'll be on all day to change my votes if nessecary...

[michellem]

 

 

No see Red if I was Obama the name would be Lenlobama. Gotta get it all into one word.

 

Aw, now I hope you're Obama because I like the name so much...

 

Although from the game scene I take it he isn't in the game...?

 

 

RTE skimming.

 

 

 

 

Oh this is interesting. I can't find where it says we will vote for presidents, but I will assume its true. I agree with Nolder here. If we try to lynch mafia, it might be a normal lynch and we might be one mafia down. However, if it is a power, then we might have just given mafia another power which they did not need. For a town, losing a vanilla town (which Nolder better be to do this), is not as bad, as it is the least loss we can get, and if he gets the power, we will have gained a power role, which would be great. Also, if this was just a normal mechanic, I don't think Eddie would have said PAFO, he would just explained it and went on. I feel like this is going to be a gift of some sort, so I will say vote Nolder.

Not sure what to think of this.

 

 

 

First, Kronos is unsure what to think of Rand.  

 

 

Those voting Nolder seem a bit opportunistic to me.

That was mostly what pinged me with Rand...tinker seemed to be responded to a joke vote by adding a joke vote...Rand adding the third vote to nolder just pinged me a little more because he seemed a little more serious.

 

vote rand

 

 

On the same page, Peace posts this, and Kronos suddenly knows what to think about it after all.

 

 

 

 

This train is stupid, and I'm not sure who I think is worst right now, Nol for putting himself up or the voters who doesn't question it and follow along. Yeah it could be that Nol is just a townie having fun, it could also be that he's mafia getting town cred by offering him self up early, it could be just messing around and being short-sighted. But honestly; lynching blindly "for the fun of it" to test if the mod's wording is just wordplay or actual game-mechanic... Well, we will find that out either way at the end of the day, no use in rushing blindly in like this! Bah.

 

Loving the activity otherwise though.

 

I have to agree with this post. Why some people have been so keen to jump onto his train is a little worrisome. Good post flow though!

 

 

RTE bascially copies everything I said, subtle buddying up to me.

 

 

 

 

Lincoln acted like a king?? and was a tyrant??  man our understanding of US history is rally bad then lol

 

 

i hope i dont need a crash course in american presidency history for this game.

 

I sure hope not...

 

 

 

Agrees with Dice, again not feeling the need to post anything he's thought up himself.

 

 

I'm pretty much wary of anyone who has voted Nol.  Not necessarily because I think he's town...I have no idea on either count, but the reasoning behind voting him is kinda meh.

Kronos defending Nol again.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ok, I did misinterpret this then.  I believed that the yes

was just to mention that we are voting to elect the president, and the

PAFO was for the rest of his questions.  All that happened here was a

little rearrangement of the questions.  Actually mod confirmation(please)

that the yes was in fact intended for "Is this just the flavor lynch

for the regular mafia lynch?" and not for "We are voting to elect a

president?" would be helpful.  Anyways, if it was in fact for the just

for the flavor lynch for the regular mafia lynch, then I take back

voting for Nolder and agreeing for testing this, because what will

obviously happen is we will lynch town.  Now we move onto the death

gifter idea.  Will Ed be giving them a power right before they die?

 Because if he does, then although lynching mafia will be beneficial, we

are going to have to try and find out what kind of powers they will be

given, or their team.

 

This post from Rand does ping me but it is the type of slip ups and sloppyish posting that I expect from him. Turns out he posts this way even when town. So I'm not sure what to think, but he is coming off as the scummiest to me right now.

 

I agree with what some have said, I am not inherently familiar with all the US presidents, and I'm not sure how relevant history will be to alignment in this game. You'd imagine it would be relatively accurate, but it sounds like a fair amount of it could be left to interpretation.

 

 

 

How come no-one else has pointed out this "gem" of a post from RTE? Biggest slip all game so far. He tries to paint Rand as Scummy McScummerson, while at the same time, says straight out that he knowns that Rand is town. Why would you say the bolded&colored if you were anything but mafia?

 

 

 

 

I still stand by this looking very much like a slip-up, and I find it very interesting that the only two that bothered trying to descredit that was Kronos and Peace.

 

So Mish do you think Rand is mafia too, or do you think RTE is trying to buddy up?

 

I think he is pointing out that he feels that this type of play is in Rand's meta.

Kronos follows up by defending RTE.

 

 

 

 

He's right.  Rand does post that way regardless of alignment.

 

 

So Mish do you think Rand is mafia too, or do you think RTE is trying to buddy up?

 

I think he is pointing out that he feels that this type of play is in Rand's meta.

 

This Mish. I said he posts that way even when he is town. Not that he is town. I'm saying town or scum, posts like that are Rand's meta. Maybe no one else commented because everyone else understood? Or no one else had a teammate to protect?

 

 

Kronos and Peace defending RTE and discrediting me, check. RTE trying to turn the heat back on me, check (in red, for those who don't see it)

 

 

I read it as your suprise at him posting like that when you know he is town. That normally you'd think he was mafia, but since you are mafia know, you know he isn't.

 

I also find it interesting that you immediatly try to turn it around on me; when I so far haven't voiced what I think about Rand at this moment.

 

Also Kronos, your defence of RTE is noted.

 

 

Stop trying to stir the pot. Kronos didn't defend me.

 

Also, a teammate wouldn't have much to say about Rand, would they? Read it however you like. I obviously was clear enough for most people.

 

 

I haven't said anything because this is the first time today I have been able to be on DM for more than a minute at a time, and I wanted to take my time to think about it.

 

And look, there you go again.

 

 

Take all the time you need. You have a lot of American political history and opinion to read through.

 

RTE tries twice over to turn the heat from himself and over on me.

 

 

 

Yea, that was an odd slip from Red. And you know she's not the type to usually make that sort of mistake, as she's usually pretty thorough and a solid poster. Definitely takes some heat off Rand (who's now gone MIA)...

 

Sheeps a long a bit more, setting up a Red-lynch, while still keeping a finger pointed at Rand, whom he earlied claimed was town. Or, as he says, thought that Rand was town; it's not like he slipped up or anything.

 

 

I've been keeping up.  I'm still good with my vote on Rand.

Kronos also wants Rand dead.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

So you've shown that both me and Kronos want to lynch Rand because we think he's scummy, you've shown that I mentioned that poor posting is part of Rand's play regardless of alignment and you've shown that I turned the heat back on you after you made accusations against me?

 

That's great. Anything else blatantly clear for everyone to see that you'd like to point out?

[michellem]

Did you even read my case on you in my first post? The second post was to re-inforce most of the things I said there

[michellem]

And funny how you suddenly popped up now, eh?

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Yea, I just summed it up in three sentences. I've been posting, don't act like I've emerged from the depths of the White House.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

 

This is very close to slander and player bashing. I dont believe she woud do that and its not ok to use it as a reason to vote

This. Red can't defend herself and there's some serious accusations flying around here.

 

 

I'd like to point out that in a game that is on page 38, with almost 750 replies, there's still members who's under 25 posts.... 

 

 

Bah right now I really dislike the train on Red, and I dislike we're so close to deadline that it's practically nothing to do about it.

 

There is no train on Red. The train is on Darthe. Darthe, who makes strong claims on people without giving us any indication of what these are based on.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Who then coincidentally votes against himself. Twice. Despite having the biggest train.

 

What do you make of that Mish?

ReDarthe: My read keep swtiching from post to post actually; but I'm mostly leaning town. I've said before that I'm gonna treat this like an un-themed game; but FDR is one of the few presidents I've heard of and I associate him with being a good president, not to forget an important one that I hardly beleive is a fake claim.

 

This is so contrived it's sad. So you are the only person who had no problem with Red's play before she left? You trying to convince yourself in front of everyone that scum is town now?

[Hallia]

I am confused about that, why'd you vote against yourself Darthe?

[ReleaseTheEvil]

With no explanation, last ditch effort to look town?

[michellem]

Who then coincidentally votes against himself. Twice. Despite having the biggest train.

 

What do you make of that Mish?

ReDarthe: My read keep swtiching from post to post actually; but I'm mostly leaning town. I've said before that I'm gonna treat this like an un-themed game; but FDR is one of the few presidents I've heard of and I associate him with being a good president, not to forget an important one that I hardly beleive is a fake claim.

 

This is so contrived it's sad. So you are the only person who had no problem with Red's play before she left? You trying to convince yourself in front of everyone that scum is town now?

 

Please tell me where I had no problems with Red's play where she left?

 

And I love that you're doing it again. Is that how you deal with people casing you? Desperatly casing you back? That is called OMGUS, in case you didn't know.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Oh thank you for your teachings, oh wise one.

 

No this is how I deal with scummy players who are trying to derail trains hours before deadlines.

 

Let me know where in that quoted post you mentioned you had a problem with Red's play. You say you have a town read, you stake a lot in the claim, and you give us a minor history lesson. Since then all Darthe has done is show us he's desperate, especially with the double vote. I love how you didn't answer my question.

 

Nothing desperate about my casing. Your casing of ReDarthe is just ridiculous.

[michellem]

I've already said I'll be on all evening to be able to change my vote if nessecary. But for now I wanted to put some pressure on you and Kronos, because I find you both scummy. And look what happened; you magically showed up.

 

 

I stated about ReDarthe that my view on them changes from post to post; Red had some truly awefull moments, but yes, the overrall read I get is town. And this is minorly strengthened by the claim, and majorly strenghtened by the people trying to use Red asking to be replaced as a scum tell. That is what makes me lean town for now. I've already stated it, and if you weren't busy trying to desperatly find things to use to discredit me, you would have seen it.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

I was never gone.

 

Skimming or scum? You still didn't answer my question. What do you think of Darthe's double self vote?

[Nolder]

Can we get a VC?

[michellem]

I was never gone.

 

Skimming or scum? You still didn't answer my question. What do you think of Darthe's double self vote?

 

Seen Darthe do it before, as town and scum. Doesn't tell me much.

[Darthe]

:) well that wasn't bad at all. Why would RTE feel the need to push on me so strongly when I am almost certain to be lynched anyhow given the looming deadline? I think this is finally good info.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

I'm not pushing anyone to anything.

 

I'm asking why Mish why she thinks you're innocent and why she didn't mention your double vote.

 

Speaking of which Darthe why aren't you mentioning your double vote?

[Sakaea]

Ok, I don't like Darthe voting for himself at all. But I think lynching him will give us the best info right now, too. So Darthe, before I vote (and hammer I think), will you please explain why you doublevoted for yourself?