BASE MAFIA - Mafia Wins!

[peacesells]

Love the insight.  /sarcasm.

[wheeloftime13]

why are you being sarcastic??

[peacesells]

I'd say the if you aren't gonna post often...the posts you do make should be filled with sizable content.

[wheeloftime13]

i normally wait until I have a good feel for things before i start posting more often... which would be by later today or day 3... depends

[peacesells]

Do we have a deadline? 

[Hallia]

Yup, couldn't get on DM until just now, tried all day >.<

[Lenlo]

Yes, you do. I forgot to put it in the last VC. Here it is now and I will make sure to put it in every VC after this. Sorry! Noob mistakes on my part.

 

 

Countdown: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130216T17&p0=%3A&msg=Day+Ends

You have 48 hours.

[peacesells]

Yup, couldn't get on DM until just now, tried all day >.<

Had problems last night trying with my phone.  Kept cycling throw that hacker check page.

[peacesells]

through not throw

[Andrej]

I haven't had any issues getting on DM lately, guess I'm the lucky one. Tonight is gonna be hectic for me, we've got a slay-fest of a flight schedule trying to get these jets back home. Keep in mind the deadline. Rand is the only one voted currently. I'll get back on later once this shat show is over with.

[peacesells]

What do you do Andre?

[Turin Turambar]

Good evening all. Lovely day in the Nevada Desert today...

 

First point. I admit I said I would come back and vote Tiink in the morning that day. I didn't do it for a simple reason. There was NO DEADLINE and we were finally gettingsome of the inactive players to post some thoughts and take a position on the Tiink situation and on the other events of the day. You want to cast me as suspicious for that go ahead. In my opinion it is to the town's advantage to spend as much time in day phase as possible. More talking= more information on everyone=better chances at lynching mafia.

 

Peace, the situation you described where you had a lynch go random was not likely at all. Like I said earlier there was NO DEADLINE and Tiink was already at L-1. Tiink was nearly assured of being lynched sooner or later. I would have hammered him if deadline had become an issue. So when you( and AJ) were pushing so hard for the hammer vote I had to ask why was it so important to get Day over with? Who gains from it? what benefits do town get? a coroner report with which to look for more connections between players. What does mafia get? They get to move into night phase and kill another townie, they get cover for any of their team that is being called out for lurking( the longer day goes the more suspicious it is if someone is silent like Rand or Snow) and in this case they got a townie lynched. Pretty good for mafia.

 

Rand, Snow,  Where are you??????

 

RTE, thanks for your opinion. You have a gut town read on Peace. I guess we disagree then. As I noted, Peace's main defense for why he pushed so hard to get what turned out to be a townie lynched was that in a different game a "for sure" lynch ended up going random. There was NO WAY in the world that D1 in this game was going to go random. There were several candidates in the event that Tiink ended up being spared. To me that means his "reason" is invalid so why did he push so hard? As for Dap's comment, I have caught several mafia in just that manner. So for me if it works keep looking at it. To be fair to Dap, the comment stemmed from him asking me a question if I thought his play scummy. I really don't but did comment that his statement was the worst thing I had seen. He is playing very town. I am not overly suspicious of him but I know that I play town too so If I can do it others can do it.

 

Hallia, I find it interesting that you turn the argument I made on Peace and AJ  around on me. I thought Tiink mafia due to his take on the D1 pass issue. I wanted him lynched. Once it became apparent that there was NO DEADLINE I thought it best to extend the day to get as much information about as many players as possible and to try to coax everyone to join in the game. It was working as you and LZM started posting thoughts. Time joined in also and actually hammered Tiink.  

 

Oh also Peace, on the rehash issue, I was posting the people I was most suspicious about and I had you more suspicious than Hallia. The using the same words looks bad on both of you IMO.  I also found it curious that both RTE and Hallia are attacking me while at least subtly defending you. More on that in a minute. 

[Andrej]

Peace I'm a mechanic on F18s in the Marines. I used to be a grease monkey (airframer if you're familiar with airwing shiz) but now I have a desk job as a Maintenance Controller. I work night crew though so I'm usually asleep during the day.

[Turin Turambar]

 

Turin sits at an interesting point for me, his vote legitamised the yrain on tiink. It became a case rather than a d1 randombess thing

dunno how i feel thete

If he really did legitimize the train on tiink, I find that suspicious.

 

 

Lurking isnt good either

 

i didnt see snows post, phone doesnt tell me of updates, but that is a sly little vote. Mafia will ofteen say they have reasons they will explain leter but they never do

 

I expect to see thosevreasons in full later ot major ping

You didn't see the post but you saw the vote? and that he stated he would be back with more. I'm a little confused by that.

 

I will agree that I personally do not like it when people say they are going to do something. Just do it or don't.

 

>Rand is freaking out but i cant tell if he is town being rand or mafia yet

Snow just stood out but thats to be seen yet

tiink i dont feel his train. I get the pings but gut says no

 

Gut says no. no arguing with your gut.

Turin sits at an interesting point for me, his vote legitamised the yrain on tiink. It became a case rather than a d1 randombess thing

dunno how i feel thete

You don't know how you feel that an actual case was made? Don't we need to make cases in order to find the mafia? There is only going to be one cop view this game. So we the town need to work in order to lynch the right people.

 

All three of these posts have in them a nudge that is trying to stall the Tiink train. Even you said that you feel the pings, so why work to stall?

 

 

 

I need to go to sleep now. Early day tomorrow. Good night.

 

 

This seems to me like you're trying to hurry along the Tiink train, and with him having flipped town, not a good thing.

 

Dap, fair enough I suppose.

 

Snow, I am finding it odd that you are still agreeing with what I am saying. You seem to be following my line on Tiink. Yet refuse to vote him and instead vote me all the while claiming you did not buddy up and that your vote is not an omgus. The good old "something is off" line when there is no real case on the person you want to lynch. I'm thinking I was right with my initial estimate of the mafia team except Tiink is most likely the third.

 

Mods, is there a deadline?

 

Wanting to rush the deadline in order to get Tiink dead? 

 

Likely about to doze off so just incase I wake up dead - AJ is town. Mish is scum. Turin goes either way but it's either him or Mish and I'm putting my money on Mish atm. Those are my readings.

Tiink's read is for him. (and also on Mish, not forgetting that)

 

Rand and Snow are other fish to fry. For now, Tiink is the best option. Is he flips town then we look at who has cased him the hardest, myself included. If not, then Snow's defense of him is telling.

 

You said to include you ^.^

 

@Mish - I wasn't saying it was a bad thing you've been away, just noting it. I've been away too.

 

Also, I get the irony about my posting about lynching LZM. I stand by it anyway, especially if he doesn't add anything more soon.

 

@AJ - the fact that you are rushing to lynch Tiink is a scum tell. It indicates that you are mafia and over eager to lynch a townie. Typically town is not so eager to lynch since we can never know for sure.

 

Also, I was in the earlier mentor game when Turin was mafia that you are referring to. I completely trusted him that game.

 

Good point, I think.  (I may be way off, but the only way to learn is to put it out there, right? XD )

 

I did make the case on Tiink. I thought him mafia. Of course I worked to have him lynched. The town agreed as he was lynched by majority decision. Is the rest of the game full of sheep? I asked about the deadline to verify information. there had been some VCs that did not contain if there was a deadline. It turned out there was not a deadline. At that point I thought to take as much time as possible to see if there would be more info available on D1. At that point Peace and AJ pushed for a quick hammer which is part of why I am suspicious of Peace. You even noted it in your post although I think you are trying to use it to paint me with the same brush when in fact the circumstances of when and how we pushed were very different.

 

The two blue statements do not match up. Tiink thought Mish was mafia. I was merely a mention.

 

O.o I was just typing that as I saw the "We need more from Hal" XD

I wasn't lurking honest.

 

Not so much aimed at anyone, more just trying to get some thoughts out there.

 

Well, my mentor is answering questions for me, so I guess you could say I'm getting coached some. ^.^  Mainly for Turin, but as I was reading through, I saw a couple of other things that stood out, so I included them.  

these two statements are contradictory. The first says that it is just thoughts you were having. The second that it was directed at me but a few other things were thrown in. Did Kaylee give you that instruction?

 

I still think Turin's the most suspicious person for today.

So vote and put it on the record.

[Turin Turambar]

Peace I'm a mechanic on F18s in the Marines. I used to be a grease monkey (airframer if you're familiar with airwing shiz) but now I have a desk job as a Maintenance Controller. I work night crew though so I'm usually asleep during the day.

Where are you stationed? I work delivering JP8 to many military bases in Southern California and Nevada. One of them is 29 Palms.

[Turin Turambar]

I think that Peace is at the center of the mafia tangle, so My vote is going there.

 

 

Vote Peace

[peacesells]

Turin, first there are a big flaw in your argument.  There was no chance of a "quick hammer."  My whole point of getting day 1 over with was because the game had started to stagnate...hence the "rehash" comment you are so in love with. 

 

The lurkers didn't show up and add new content.  They showed up and regurgitated everyone else's arguments.  And...didn't vote.  I was pushing cause it looked like the scum team was delaying to buy time to come up with a reason to unvote Tink, who at the time was a good scum canidate, and thus derail a good lynch.  Of course in hindsight I, along with many others were wrong.  But I wouldn't know that.

 

This isn't even a complicated concept.  The fact that you refuse to recognize this plus your unvote (to look town) of Tink is very suspicious. 

 

Next, you say Hallia has defended me?  I've gone back to the beginning of Day 2 and see no such defense.  AJ and RTE have said I seem town to them.  You could make that connection but Hallia?  I don't see it.  Looks like you are setting up lynch targets in your cases.

[Hallia]

He's in San Diego like me! ^.^ Best city ever!

 

 

Turin, first there are a big flaw in your argument.  There was no chance of a "quick hammer."  My whole point of getting day 1 over with was because the game had started to stagnate...hence the "rehash" comment you are so in love with. 

 

The lurkers didn't show up and add new content.  They showed up and regurgitated everyone else's arguments.  And...didn't vote.  I was pushing cause it looked like the scum team was delaying to buy time to come up with a reason to unvote Tink, who at the time was a good scum canidate, and thus derail a good lynch.  Of course in hindsight I, along with many others were wrong.  But I wouldn't know that.

 

This isn't even a complicated concept.  The fact that you refuse to recognize this plus your unvote (to look town) of Tink is very suspicious. 

 

Next, you say Hallia has defended me?  I've gone back to the beginning of Day 2 and see no such defense.  AJ and RTE have said I seem town to them.  You could make that connection but Hallia?  I don't see it.  Looks like you are setting up lynch targets in your cases.

 

Nope, I didn't that I could find.

 

Vote Turin

[Turin Turambar]

Or you were pushing to get a townie lynched before anyone changed their minds.

 

  Hallia Is already connected to you with the same verbage and then her attempt to discredit me is a subtle defense of you.

[Andrej]

Turin my home station is in San Diego, but I'm currently in Nevada for a pre-deployment work up exercise. Lovely ol' Fallon.

[John Snow]

Alright, looks like DM's finally working for me. Sorry I haven't been able to post sooner, between my work schedule, sleep, and DM issues this is my first chance to post since Day broke.

I've got a few posts to make, but first is going to be Turin's ISO.

[Andrej]

Also, what argument did you have against me? All you've really done is throw my name in with Peace's when it came to pushing the lynch. I've already given my reasons for that, and you agreed yourself that he seemed like a good lynch.

[John Snow]

As I'm reading through this, I'm noticing how many triple posts there are that are just fluff. You can post your thoughts in one post, otherwise you're just inflating your post count to make yourself look active.

Anyways, back to gathering quotes.

[dapianoplay3r]

Gah! DM has been down for me all day

 

Right this will be my thought space as I read

 

Mish suggests a frame job on TG. FOS that.

LZM was killed because he was so inactive IMO, i think you are stretching that a way with suggesting its a frame job and in doing so you are defending TG, plus you are very none committal about this. Sowing seeds but standing back. I dislike it

Plus she doesn't include TG in her town list.

 

Time I know how you feel about name. I get called player elsewhere but in mafia that's just dam confusing.

I agree with Peace though your post was pretty lacking.

I used to play like you, waiting for later in the game it's not helpful.

 

What Turin says about Peace is what I said earlier as well. As for the AJ comment, I agree he has been playing largely town orientated but that comment seemed off to me, way off, and the way he reacted irked me a lot. Like I said I can sense a WOT forming but I haven't got any evidence yet.

Huh, what you say about Time got me thinking. I said that I used to save m thoughts till later in the game on this thread right. Well she said that after I did and I don't recall her saying it before in another game. It suddenly seems more off to me now. Might just be paranoid though

I dislike it when people ask others to vote to officialise it. It should be up to them.

If another lynch comes up and she suddenly sways or the same lynch comes up and she suddenly seems hesitant then to me that is far more telling.

 

Peace. You say that there was no point waiting and that people were showing up and not voting so you thought they were trying to stall to save their teammate. There were more than 2 people showing up and not voting. If he was scum it was more than a team stalling. I also really dislike the last few sentences.

" Of course in hindsight I, along with many others were wrong. But I wouldn't know that."

You include yourself with the group very purposefully, then you feel the need to add the last bit. It irks me

I also think his unvote was valid. But hey, at least you are sticking to your guns on this.

 

I'm going to go back and look for Hallys posts and see if there was a defence. It's very unlike Turin to make stuff up. It's just downright silly too but both Peace and Hally seem to think its make up.

 

Lol side note you can clam AJ down and side track him by asking him about his job it seems

[Andrej]

Which comment of mine were you referring to Dap?