[Advanced] Bloodlust Mafia Game Over!

[_CLOUD]

Smiley made a good summary of the players. I would also like to ask the same question Turin did: who do you this is mafia?

 

Ishy, throughout the game you have claimed several times that certain players are guaranteed scum. You should try to argue WHY they are scum instead of only calling them a liar without giving any additional info. 

[John E. Kelley]

Your lynch will provide all the proof. And I cased you plenty on D1 and D2. Repeating myself now would be redundant and pointless. Tell Panda to start bussing you now.

[Sakaea]

Bah Go town!

 

I can sub back in if needed.

[John E. Kelley]

Bah Go town!

 

I can sub back in if needed.

 

 

You'll be avenged Kat.

[Turin Turambar]

Ishy, panda has bugged me most of the game but I still can't find a clear reason. To me it just seems like he is talking out of both sides of his mouth. Do have any specifics?

 

Also any evidence on cloud?

 

And smiley, pointing out the person that ends up lynched is generally considered leading the lynch. Apply pressure and get the mafioso to crack.

 

 

what is it with this game where the claimed roles are all acting like mafia?

[John E. Kelley]

Can we get a VC Darthe?

[_CLOUD]

Off topic: I just started hosting a Battleship game at the White Ajah with the theme "Altha'an Miere vs Seanchan"! There are a lot of fun rules and everybody can join in and play, even if you haven't played Battleship before. So make sure to come over and play! :)          

I learned a lot from the previous games hosted by Kate and Basel so you will find some fun rules back! Yes, Turin, I have a "talk like Yoda tile" now 

[Darthe]

Can we get a VC Darthe?

 

If you want, but to be honest not much has changed.  Also, the town has around 52 hours til deadline still.

[Kaylee]

I've trimmed this down to carry just Cloud's claim with the lynch info and Turin's list of those not on the train and already dead. If we believe all the claims thus far that means one mafia between Ithi, Mish and Panda. Those not on the list that are still alive, and not claimed, leaves Tress and myself. I know I'm not mafia.

 

 

I detected how many Mafia members there were on the lynch of the first Day, there were 2.  

 

The two trains of Day 1 were against Hoof and Mynd. Hoof of course got lynched that Day so that means that there were 2 Mafia members among the 10 players that voted on him. These are:  

 

Ishy - Mason claim cleared by flavor cop N1

Dice Ithi  led mafia lynch

Despo - Peter Plegojowitz, Town Vanilla

Panda

Basel cleared by flavor cop N3

Mish

Cloud - Sensor claim

Blackhoof - Daniel Molloy, Town Vanilla

Turin - clered by flavor cop N2

Lenlo - Lord Ruthven, Mafia Day Doctor

 

 

I wanted to use BG's investigations to clear some people away, that's why I asked him (not really subtlely >.>) on Day 2 if he got any results. I wanted to save the second shot for a better splitting of the votes. 

Not counting Turin (whom BG got a no gun read on) and Cloud with his sensor role, that leaves Mish, Basel, Panda and Ithi as the second possible mafia.

I have added some notes regarding the people on this list.  So if cloud isn't a LLL then the mafia is either Mish or Panda.

 

Now with 2 on the list there would most likely be 2 more not on the list. Those people are:

BG - claimed flavor cop

Kaylee -

Smiley(replaced JLM) claimed Doc

Mynd - Claimed Mason with Ishy

Tress(replaced LZM) -

TG - dead Town

Rand - dead Town

Despo - dead Town

Kae - dead Town

 

So if we haven't been led totally astray it would seem that the most likely mafia are Kaylee and Tress.  With that last shot at Ithi the mafia killer, I say we vote Tress.

Of the claims I'm a bit leary on Cloud's. I've seen that role fake claimed before.

 

This is the list of players, whose alive and a dead.This time it let me quote it so I have the correct colors. I've added BG's and Smiley's claims in parenthesis. I'm still leaning on believing Ishy and Mynd Red to be masons so I added that as well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Roster:

 

 

1. BG (Gunsmith-cop role)

2. Peace - Dr. Frankenstein, Town Miller - Night 1 Kill

3. Kaylee

4. JLM Smiley (Doc)

5. Blackhoof - Daniel Molloy, Town Vanilla - Day 1 Lynch

6. Myndrunner Red (mason)

7. Lenlo - Lord Ruthven, Mafia Day Doctor - Day 3 Lynch

8. Basel

9. LZM Songstress

10. Dicetosser Ithillian

11. Cloud

12. Misheru

13. TGlems - Buffy Summers, Town JoaT (1 shot cop, 1 shot roleblock) -  Night 2 kill

14. Rand - Jonathan Harker, Town JoaT (1 shot cop, 1 shot vig) - Day 2 lynch

15. Pandy

16. Turin

17. Despo - Peter Plegojowitz, Town Vanilla - Day 3 Death

18. Kae - Elizabeth Forbes, Town Vanilla - Night 3 Kill

19. Ishy (mason)

If you add in Cloud's claim and the one's BG has viewed, that leaves 5 people including myself.

[Kaylee]

Unofficial Vote Count

 

Cloud (3/7): Ithi, Basel, Ishy

 

Ithi (1/7): Tress

 

Tress (1/7): Turin

 

Not Voting (7):

 

BG, Kay, Smiley, Red, Cloud, Mish Panda

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch

[Smiley73]

 

I've trimmed this down to carry just Cloud's claim with the lynch info and Turin's list of those not on the train and already dead. If we believe all the claims thus far that means one mafia between Ithi, Mish and Panda. Those not on the list that are still alive, and not claimed, leaves Tress and myself. I know I'm not mafia.

 

 

I detected how many Mafia members there were on the lynch of the first Day, there were 2.  

 

The two trains of Day 1 were against Hoof and Mynd. Hoof of course got lynched that Day so that means that there were 2 Mafia members among the 10 players that voted on him. These are:  

 

Ishy - Mason claim cleared by flavor cop N1

Dice Ithi  led mafia lynch

Despo - Peter Plegojowitz, Town Vanilla

Panda

Basel cleared by flavor cop N3

Mish

Cloud - Sensor claim

Blackhoof - Daniel Molloy, Town Vanilla

Turin - clered by flavor cop N2

Lenlo - Lord Ruthven, Mafia Day Doctor

 

Not counting Turin (whom BG got a no gun read on) and Cloud with his sensor role, that leaves Mish, Basel, Panda and Ithi as the second possible mafia.

I have added some notes regarding the people on this list.  So if cloud isn't a LLL then the mafia is either Mish or Panda.

 

Now with 2 on the list there would most likely be 2 more not on the list. Those people are:

BG - claimed flavor cop

Kaylee -

Smiley(replaced JLM) claimed Doc

Mynd - Claimed Mason with Ishy

Tress(replaced LZM) -

TG - dead Town

Rand - dead Town

Despo - dead Town

Kae - dead Town

 

So if we haven't been led totally astray it would seem that the most likely mafia are Kaylee and Tress.  With that last shot at Ithi the mafia killer, I say we vote Tress.

 

I've trimmed this quote a bit so there might be some unnecessary quotes, can't do much about that with DM quotes as they are, but moving on.

 

Right now I think that second list is more important, lot's of dead townies and uncountered/largely believed role claims which leave Tress and Kaylee as being the 2 mafia in the picture

That list is wrong.

 

Players not voting on Blackhoof (lynch day 1):

BG: claimed gunsmith

Kay:

JLM/Myself: claimed Doc

Mynd: claimed Mason

Tress:

TG: NK'ed

Rand: Day 2 lynch I believe

Kae:NK'ed

Peace:NK'ed

 

we started off with 19 players, 10 were on hoof, the other 9 are on that list, and then with standard mafia estimates of 25% there would be 4 mafia.

 

So the significance of this all surrounds whether or not we believe Cloud's claim of a sensor, as he has said, he has used up both shots so he is effectively a vanilla now (if he speaks truth). If he does speak truth then there are two in that first list of people on Blackhoof and then two on the other list (the one above), which means that Tress and Kay must be mafia if all the claims thus far are true (ie. BG, myself, Clouds and the masons) I don't know about you but that seems just a bit too easy almost as if we've nearly got the mafia team wrapped up if Cloud is being truthful, 2 in the above list and 1 more in the list on hoof, with possible recruiting.

 

If it hasn't yet occurred to you this entire argument falls on whether or not cloud is Town, so I think lynching him now is our best move, if he turns up Town then we move onto Tress and Kaylee, if he flips mafia then we know we can disregard everything he has said.

 

So for being an incredibly informative lynch target vote Cloud

[cosmicpanda]

I have now finished AMoL. Sorry for the unannounced absence. I'm just reading up. 

[Basel Gill]

I'm still waiting for my copy to be delivered.

 

So the significance of this all surrounds whether or not we believe Cloud's claim of a sensor, as he has said, he has used up both shots so he is effectively a vanilla now (if he speaks truth). If he does speak truth then there are two in that first list of people on Blackhoof and then two on the other list (the one above), which means that Tress and Kay must be mafia if all the claims thus far are true (ie. BG, myself, Clouds and the masons) I don't know about you but that seems just a bit too easy almost as if we've nearly got the mafia team wrapped up if Cloud is being truthful, 2 in the above list and 1 more in the list on hoof, with possible recruiting.

 

If it hasn't yet occurred to you this entire argument falls on whether or not cloud is Town, so I think lynching him now is our best move, if he turns up Town then we move onto Tress and Kaylee, if he flips mafia then we know we can disregard everything he has said.

 

So for being an incredibly informative lynch target vote Cloud

 

Actually, it had occurred to me that everything today depends on Cloud's flip. IMO there is just too much up in the air with other people, and no matter what his alignment is, we can figure a great deal out from there. It hadn't really hit me that if he is honest with us, he has used up his shots, so we don't lose a powered role by this. 

[michellem]

I hand't thought about that either Smiley, but it's a good point. Town is still in a good standing and if Cloud is telling the truth, it'll be a shame but it won't hurt town in the long run. Clearing up that WIFOM might be the best thing we can do today.

 

 

And if he's telling the truth, it's time for a good long look at Pandy tomorrow methinks. I really don't believe that Ithi would be mafia and would have led the lynch on Len.

 

vote Cloud

[_CLOUD]

I don't like the idea of me getting lynched just to test my claim. We should go after the remaining mafia members on the list. I know that there are a couple hiding away and this train on me won't help Town. We are close to lynching mafia members and you guys turn on the Sensor. Couple my list with BG's results and you will know that I spoke the truth. 

 

 

Vote Mish

 

I think she is mafia. 

 

 

On a different note: I just got AMOL! I will start reading like crazy. 

[Smiley73]

I don't like the idea of me getting lynched just to test my claim. We should go after the remaining mafia members on the list. I know that there are a couple hiding away and this train on me won't help Town. We are close to lynching mafia members and you guys turn on the Sensor. Couple my list with BG's results and you will know that I spoke the truth. 

 

 

Vote Mish

 

I think she is mafia. 

 

 

On a different note: I just got AMOL! I will start reading like crazy. 

 

by your own admittance you have passed your use as a sensor, or am I wrong on that count?

[_CLOUD]

I do have passed my use as a sensor, but not as a town player. It's not logical to lynch me and lower the number of townies even more. 

[Smiley73]

ah, but it is, your claim and info means enough to lynch at least two mafia consecutively if you are Town, but no one's believing that without a coroner's report, especially not with how you have drawn so much suspicion over the last few days.

 

EDIT: typo

[Darthe]

Official Vote Count:

 

Cloud (5/7): Ithi, Basel, Ishy, Smiley, Mish

 

Ithi (1/7): Tress

 

Tress (1/7): Turin

 

Mish (1/7): Cloud

 

Not Voting (4):

 

BG, Kay, Red, Panda

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch

 

Kay did a good one

[_CLOUD]

ah, but it is, your claim and info means enough to lynch at least two mafia consecutively if you are Town, but no one's believing that without a coroner's report, especially not with how you have drawn so much suspicion over the last few days.

 

EDIT: typo

 

Then you might as well lynch BG. His results are more important than mine. 

[Smiley73]

 

ah, but it is, your claim and info means enough to lynch at least two mafia consecutively if you are Town, but no one's believing that without a coroner's report, especially not with how you have drawn so much suspicion over the last few days.

 

EDIT: typo

 

Then you might as well lynch BG. His results are more important than mine. 

 

but he is dying of poison anyway.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I thought you thought that Cloud was Town @ Smiley

 

You said "Cloud: I lean towards Town on him, but he has been under some *ahem* cloud of suspicion almost from the beginning of the game IIRC. He has been all over the place and it seems to me that he makes just too many errors to be mafia who would usually be much more careful about what they say"

 

You are actively using other people's suspicions of him as a means to get him Lynched. Even though I am VERY unsure of him, I don't think I would be able to vote him if I actually thought he was Town. Also it is true that we don't really want to lose a real Town at this point. Why don't you do something more positive, seeing as how you think Cloud is Town, and case the two people who the magic lists point out as possible Mafia and then vote for the one that seems the most likely. Then you would actually be actively looking for mafia rather than apparently knowingly sacrificing Town.

 

Although Mish and Basel seem happy with this as well. Basel ... STOP FOLLOWING for goodness sakes! Just cos BG says you don't have teeth don't mean you can just sit on your bottom and agree with other people. Of course Mish could have easily have been chosen to bus Len once I'd targetted him. He did play appalling afterwards (like super bad) and she was in there quite fast. She also seems to be pointing out that I couldn't possibly be Mafia because I was the first to point out how Len had been behaving and to vote him for being mafia - which means that makes it so she can't be mafia either, cos she was second?.

 

Afterwards came the additional wombatting with no particulat reason and Tress' odd vote on me. Wombat generally actually has very good reasons for voting, which he usually explains at some point - but Tress was just Wombat and hahaha funny. I don't think she actually made a case and thus is a follower train catcher.

 

Of the people left alive in the game at the moment I'm thinking

 

Cloud - because yeah, he's MORE Town now lol

Mish - Totally using me as a shield/buddy

Tress - Wombat will only get you so far

Panda - Just absent and lurky really

 

I think the others have no guns and stuff, but I might have missed a few.

 

Is this some kind of reverse game where the good guys have been told to act as suspicious as possible, because I'm finding this game to be just weird - vibe wise.

[_CLOUD]

 

 

ah, but it is, your claim and info means enough to lynch at least two mafia consecutively if you are Town, but no one's believing that without a coroner's report, especially not with how you have drawn so much suspicion over the last few days.

 

EDIT: typo

 

Then you might as well lynch BG. His results are more important than mine. 

 

but he is dying of poison anyway.

 

He hasn't died yet, while Despo died in 1.5 Days. He should have died today but he is still alive and walking around. Have you ever thought about the idea that he is actually lying? 

[_CLOUD]

Also I agree with what Ithi said, even if I'm about to get lynched. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

Despo got killed. We don't know what the timescale for dying by poison is. You had a big to and fro with Turin about this remember?

 

Also - I just think that if Smiley thinks you are Mafia he should say so, instead of dancing around the subject and saying he is voting you for the greater good. Same re Mish and Basel.