[Advanced] Bloodlust Mafia Game Over!

[Turin Turambar]

Would you kindly show where I blamed Peace for anything?  You are still talking out of your hat Mynd. Sowing confusion like a mafioso.

 

  I still want to get to the bottom of this mason claim as the longer it lingers the worse it will be. I can vote either you or Ishy until I see a cop view on the one I am actually voting. I believe there is recruiting in the game and so it is only a cop view on that day or a coroner report that will clear anyone for me.

 

vote Mynd

 

I am home now and off this week so game on. Happy Boxing day everyone.

[Turin Turambar]

Went back to try to find out what in the world Mynd talking about. Still don't know. Did find a few other things that I never like to see. Personal quirky pet peeves if you will.

 

Rand apologizing for not being active and also making excuses for Mynd.

 

Pandy saying he will do a re-read.

 

Kae, apologizing for missing deadline.

 

Also, Mynd had his 6th vote on the 20th, more than 3 days before deadline. No more votes until 13 hours from deadline. Only change from that time was that Hoof train built up. then three late votes as deadline approached. Ishy claims with about 10 hours left. Hoof only other real chance for consolidation. I still say this is poor play if town and more likely mafia play as last resort when votes didn't fall off earlier.

[dicetosser1]

thats twice you have bought u[ recruiting turin    what makes you so sure?

[RandA lThor]

OK, Turin with the blatant OMGUS first of all.

 

Secondly, he starts spreading fear by bringing up recruiting, which he can later use to discredit any claimed roles.

 

Third of all, he starts trying to take down the mason team with a lynch, when we know that having a mafia team claim masons is the best way to knock out two of their players, not to mention that that would be Ishy and Mynd, two very good players.  It would be practically suicide for both of them with one cop viewing.

 

SO my vote goes to Turin

[Turin Turambar]

I have my reasons. First it is a vampire game. Vampires not only feed off humans but convert them as well. I also have something in my role PM that leads me to believe without doubt that there is recruiting. I can not recruit but I am confident that there is recruiting in the game.

[bgrishinko]

Are you the recruiter Turin?

[Turin Turambar]

More cover for your master Rand? I have been on Mynd since Day one. I stated during the night that I thought Ishy and Mynd's play anti town, or at best bad. They let him sit as the vote leader for 3 days without claiming. Only at the end of the day and after there was a townie to force the lynch onto did they claim. so late that with the amount of activity there was no other choice other than to lynch their target.

 

Do you have any reason to believe that there is no recruiting in the game? I have a reason for my belief. You don't say there is not just that I am trying to spread fear by saying there is. Is it not better to know than to be bit in the butt by it later?  

 

Do you really blindly follow the mason claim? Why don't you just go ahead and tell us you are mafia Rand?  

[Turin Turambar]

No BG. I have already stated that I am not the recruiter.

[Turin Turambar]

BG, did you see me blame Peace for anything? I still can't find it so if anyone can show me the quote I would appreciate it.

[RandA lThor]

More cover for your master Rand? I have been on Mynd since Day one. I stated during the night that I thought Ishy and Mynd's play anti town, or at best bad. They let him sit as the vote leader for 3 days without claiming. Only at the end of the day and after there was a townie to force the lynch onto did they claim. so late that with the amount of activity there was no other choice other than to lynch their target.

 

Do you have any reason to believe that there is no recruiting in the game? I have a reason for my belief. You don't say there is not just that I am trying to spread fear by saying there is. Is it not better to know than to be bit in the butt by it later?  

 

Do you really blindly follow the mason claim? Why don't you just go ahead and tell us you are mafia Rand?  

 

No, I don't really know whether or not Mynd is town.  However, regardless of what Mynd's alignment is, your play is scummy.  And yes, obviously they would not want to claim masons as they don't want to reveal until the very end, just like any other role.  I don't have any reason to not believe it, but you are pushing it beyond reason.  And I don't blindly follow it, but just like an unCCed cop, I give mason's an initial trust due to the fact that it is very unlikely that scum would do that.

[Basel Gill]

Well, I'm already on record as having been suspicious of Ishy. I don't like the mason claim at all, it seems too planned out in advance.. More like a mafia gambit than real masons outing themselevs. Mynd does something to build votes on himself, lets the train get some steam, and then Ishy magically comes out of the woodwork and reveals. I don't buy it. I'm fine with keeping the heat on Ishy, but since Mynd is the one of them who actually has votes, then voting Ishy would be counterproductive. So I will vote Mynd.

[hazelkrs1]

Still haven't caught up all the way but it has come to my knowledge that I have been poisoned.

 

:dark one:

[hazelkrs1]

[Sakaea]

Another game with poison in play? Methinks people are gonna use that mechanic to death now.

 

Ishy, you know I love you, but since the consensus seems to be to test your mason claim I'm gonna have to vote Mynd also. I was more in favor of leaving the both of you alone for another day phase, and see what night brings, but let's force the issue, shall we?

 

Also, poison in a vampire game, if what Turin said is true, I would guess that possibly it's not poison per se, but slow acting recruiting/vampirism. So if Des doesn't die any time soon, he may have turned into a vampire. Just something we need to keep in mind.

[Turin Turambar]

More cover for your master Rand? I have been on Mynd since Day one. I stated during the night that I thought Ishy and Mynd's play anti town, or at best bad. They let him sit as the vote leader for 3 days without claiming. Only at the end of the day and after there was a townie to force the lynch onto did they claim. so late that with the amount of activity there was no other choice other than to lynch their target.

 

Do you have any reason to believe that there is no recruiting in the game? I have a reason for my belief. You don't say there is not just that I am trying to spread fear by saying there is. Is it not better to know than to be bit in the butt by it later?  

 

Do you really blindly follow the mason claim? Why don't you just go ahead and tell us you are mafia Rand?  

 

No, I don't really know whether or not Mynd is town.  However, regardless of what Mynd's alignment is, your play is scummy.  And yes, obviously they would not want to claim masons as they don't want to reveal until the very end, just like any other role.  I don't have any reason to not believe it, but you are pushing it beyond reason.  And I don't blindly follow it, but just like an unCCed cop, I give mason's an initial trust due to the fact that it is very unlikely that scum would do that.

So you are saying that even if Mynd (and by extension Ishy) is mafia that my play of not believing them is anti-town. I don't see how lynching mafia is anti- town. I kinda thought that was the entire job of the town. That you have no knowledge of their alignment and yet are defending them so hard makes me very suspicious of you. as does the incorrect information you are pushing in your reason for voting me. There is no way that my vote could in any reasonable mind be categorized as a OMGUS. Iam not trying to instill fear about recruiting. I think that information of that sort is better put into the town's hands so that someone viewed N1 as clean is not assumed to be clean D3. To hold that back would be anti-town in my opinion. Trying to knock out masons with a lynch? Who says they are masons? they do. doI believe it? not at the present. it is just as likely that Mynd meant to jump out take some heat on Day 1, slide by it by getting someone else lynched without having to make a claim and then let the heat disiipate chalking it up to Day 1 Mynd shenanigans. He certainly had enough defenders. Including you that voted Peace who was a Mynd detractor and as we now know was  town.

 

To equate a mason claim with an un-cc'ed cop claim is  a bit off IMO. Especially a mason claim in these circumstances. They had THREE DAYS to claim when it was not looking like it was going to produce what they wanted. To wait until 10 hours left to deadline is unacceptable to me. I now wnat to see proof. I am just one person here. You vote as you choose. But as of this moment, Mynd nor any of the other defenders have shown me where I blamed Peace for anything. This was Mynd's great reason for voting me today. Just like his reasonings yesterday it is a bunch of cowflop. So please forgive me if I don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth.  

 

 It has been repeated time and again that masons are the one type of power role that can generally get away with claimingearly as mafia is afraid to NK them early on as it vets the unkilled partner and provides additional informationto the town. You may also notice that neither of them died last night although someone that was doubtful of their claim did. Kinda funny the mafia killed the miller. but that is another story.

[bgrishinko]

If there is a recruiter, we will deal with it later. For now, stop voting Mynd or Ishy. It's a stupid lynch option.

 

 

I have a very good reason to think the Mason claim is true. One may be turned at some point but if you are basing your lynch on Day 1, you will be wrong.

[Basel Gill]

Another game with poison in play? Methinks people are gonna use that mechanic to death now.

 

+1 for the play on words. Gave me a chuckle.

 

So you are saying that even if Mynd (and by extension Ishy) is mafia that my play of not believing them is anti-town. I don't see how lynching mafia is anti- town. I kinda thought that was the entire job of the town. That you have no knowledge of their alignment and yet are defending them so hard makes me very suspicious of you. as does the incorrect information you are pushing in your reason for voting me. There is no way that my vote could in any reasonable mind be categorized as a OMGUS. Iam not trying to instill fear about recruiting. I think that information of that sort is better put into the town's hands so that someone viewed N1 as clean is not assumed to be clean D3. To hold that back would be anti-town in my opinion. Trying to knock out masons with a lynch? Who says they are masons? they do. doI believe it? not at the present. it is just as likely that Mynd meant to jump out take some heat on Day 1, slide by it by getting someone else lynched without having to make a claim and then let the heat disiipate chalking it up to Day 1 Mynd shenanigans. He certainly had enough defenders. Including you that voted Peace who was a Mynd detractor and as we now know was  town.

 

To equate a mason claim with an un-cc'ed cop claim is  a bit off IMO. Especially a mason claim in these circumstances. They had THREE DAYS to claim when it was not looking like it was going to produce what they wanted. To wait until 10 hours left to deadline is unacceptable to me. I now wnat to see proof. I am just one person here. You vote as you choose. But as of this moment, Mynd nor any of the other defenders have shown me where I blamed Peace for anything. This was Mynd's great reason for voting me today. Just like his reasonings yesterday it is a bunch of cowflop. So please forgive me if I don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth. 

 

Blue: this. I cast a big HoS on Rand for saying we should avoid lynching Mynd and Ishy even if they are scum.

 

Green: I've seen this before from Mynd as scum. Take a townie, and misrepresent them as saying stuff they never actually said. Then, when called out on either twisting their words or making stuff up wholesale and ascribing it to said townie, completely ignore said calling out and make no attempt to explain himself. JLM's DW game on MJ comes to mind... I think it was his case on Red, and I can recall going through every single one of her posts and not finding a single instance of her saying the stuff Mynd accused her of saying. As I recall, he never responded to either me or Red calling him on it. So I can buy it from him as scum this time around.

 

(Mind you, this was a game several months ago, based around a show I really couldn't give a rat's ass about.)

[cosmicpanda]

Well, read through everything. In short, it seems that Mynd is still the great focus of the game. BG says that he believes the mason claim, and claims that he has a strong reason for doing so, so for now I will too. 

 

I don't like Turin's play. It seems that he's had tunnel-vision on Mynd all game long. He joke-voted him, then claimed that the joke vote was actually a serious vote, then said that he liked where his vote was, was suspicious of everyone that defended Mynd (and there were a good number of people who did), and now seems to think that Ishy's mason claim is a ploy. The only thing that I think Turin is actually wrong about is his assertion that Ishy or Mynd should have claimed when Mynd was at L-4. Nobody does that, even 24 hours from a deadline. It would result in a lot of unnecessary claims. At this point, I'm not so sure that Turin is mafia - townies often get tunnel vision. I'd encourage him to take a step back and calm down a bit - he seems angry, which isn't fun. 

 

Cloud and Mish have really gone under the radar after they took all of that heat at the beginning of the game. TG has, too. 

 

I don't like Basel's vote on Mynd. Sure, the claim might have been planned out in advance, but how does that make it necessarily a mafia ploy? The thing about masons is that they can plan things out in advance! It's fine not to buy the claim, but not with such a flimsy 'case'.

 

I also don't understand quite how voting for Mynd is supposed to test the claim, unless you're planning to actually lynch him, which seems a drastic way of testing something. 

 

 

@ Turin, you said that you didn't like that I said I'd do a re-read. Do you disapprove of people doing re-reads?

 

Vote: Basel

[Turin Turambar]

BG, I assume that we will not hear the good reason that you believe their mason claim. That Ishy is gone for the next two days so can not give us more thoughts and reasons for what they did. Mynd seems to have vanished again after his shot at me, which no one has been able or willing to show where I actually blamed Peace for something. I am sure he has internet issues again.

 

Cosmic, I am fine with people doing rereads. It is posting that you are going to do a reread which means they are not posting thoughts at that time. It comes off as posting to say that you are not posting now. But will later. Too often the promised thoughts never arrive.  Don't like my play? too bad. Tunnelling? I prefer to think of it as determined, but others have viewed it that way. However I have also given thoughts about others throughout the game. I haven't liked Mynd's play the entire game and So I voted him. I meant it all along as a real vote that I did put on as a joke. If you play with me I don't really joke vote anymore and haven't for some time. I didn't like the way he took a shot at a newer player for being "excited". darthe comes up with some serious wicked stuff in his games so it is natural to be excited for the game to start. that his entire game has been filled with fabrication put him in my bad books. That he refuses to acknowledge his subterfuge has kept him there. I stated quite clearly why I was suspicious of those defending him. If you think me wrong for my opinion say so. 

 

 The reason I feel that they should have claimed earlier is that they knew at 24 hours(or should have IMO) that they were going to have to. Therefore to wait until they did comes across as a blindside hachet job on what turned out to be a townie. I voted Mynd cause I am willing to lynch him if he can't convince me of his innocence. BG has come out with what he says is a valid reason to believe their claim. To BG I say fair enough. I can switch to one of the defenders for now.

 

Unvote, Vote Rand

 

Everyone has been pretty silent for the past few days. Now that it is game back on we can look to see who is active and who is not.

[Kaylee]

Ok after all the back and forth I'm starting to see the point on Mynd.

 

vote Mynd

 

 

I'll be sparse this evening too; because of [insert really long explenation about family complications] we're celebrating Christmas with mom-in-law this evening. I'll be on as often as I can, but I don't have the same access I usually have.

 

I'm torn on Mynd, I can see points in both Hoof's and Panda's arguments. But I'm gonna get off my fence now (t's not very comfy to sit on) and vote Mynd

 

 

Alright I am going to have to side with Hoof on this. I dont like Mynds "Lynch me" posts anymore than the next guy and even if he is a Jester ((Which I doubt)) the game wouldnt end.We get alot of info from the Mynd lynch and if he flips mafia instead of town like he says he will all the better.

 

Vote Mynd

 

These were the last three rush votes on Mynd today. Of the three, Len has seemed fairly Townie to me thus far.

 

But lookie at who's involved in the rush. Our good friend Mish is back in the thick of it. Convenient.

 

JLM looks pretty bad here too, especially after a day spent talking about how she never trusts Mynd regardless of his alignment, yet won't commit to a vote until the last pileup. Enables to her to appear slightly Townie by looking as if she's deliberating while not bandwaggoning. Of course, that also makes her fence-sitting obvious to anyone paying attention, and paired with her scummy vote here, creates an interesting pattern. Someone else to look into tomorrow.

 

^This was where Ishy and I were discussing that mafia tend to bandwagon onto a vote, especially if they know the person is town. I don't know if Mynd is town, but for now I'm believing the mason claim. Of these three, I found JLM the most suspicious as Ishy did. For me it's the reason she gives for the vote. Just doesn't sit right with me for some reason.

 

Ishy, he had 6 votes on him for over a day. There is no way he should have let himself stay the vote leader without claiming when clock got under 24 hours. On the weekend before Christmas no less. That in itself is enough to sow major doubt. As is the fact that you both seem to be completely ignoring the Mynd defense force in your suspicions. He says 1 out of 6 on his train, I think the percentage on the defense will be higher. Especially if by some miracle you guys really are town.

 

Now you want to put the blame on people being afraid of Mynd. Well guess what? That should have been considered before starting this EP-esque endeavor. And once it became apparent to you both that it was not going to plan you should have just came clean.

 

Those last three votes were fast and could be seen as mafia piling on in the guise of voting consolidation. So by all means look at all three of them. JLM defended early then tried to look like she didn't. Mish I believe was mostly defending herself. I don't have any real recollection of Len which is interesting that you choose to name him as your town read.

 

Still driving hope to be home today.

^This was Turin. I can see the argument he's making, I wondered the same thing in fact. Agrees about JLM, but the bold...Defending herself? She said that she could see the points both Hoof and Panda were making and voted between the two. She says she was "getting off the fence". Guess you just missed that? That stood out to me as well. I'd be happy to vote for either of them today. For now Vote JLM. 

[cosmicpanda]

Turin, what do you think of Cloud? 

[dicetosser1]

not vote someone even if they are scum? what the?

 

I really dont like the way ishy and mynd did this and BG says he has a good reason to believe them. I agree with turin that we are unlikely to hear that reason. I dont like that.

 

Mynd pops up  creates turmoil then disappears.

 

this is all stinking to me  vote mynd

[RandA lThor]

Well, read through everything. In short, it seems that Mynd is still the great focus of the game. BG says that he believes the mason claim, and claims that he has a strong reason for doing so, so for now I will too. 

 

I don't like Turin's play. It seems that he's had tunnel-vision on Mynd all game long. He joke-voted him, then claimed that the joke vote was actually a serious vote, then said that he liked where his vote was, was suspicious of everyone that defended Mynd (and there were a good number of people who did), and now seems to think that Ishy's mason claim is a ploy. The only thing that I think Turin is actually wrong about is his assertion that Ishy or Mynd should have claimed when Mynd was at L-4. Nobody does that, even 24 hours from a deadline. It would result in a lot of unnecessary claims. At this point, I'm not so sure that Turin is mafia - townies often get tunnel vision. I'd encourage him to take a step back and calm down a bit - he seems angry, which isn't fun. 

 

Cloud and Mish have really gone under the radar after they took all of that heat at the beginning of the game. TG has, too. 

 

I don't like Basel's vote on Mynd. Sure, the claim might have been planned out in advance, but how does that make it necessarily a mafia ploy? The thing about masons is that they can plan things out in advance! It's fine not to buy the claim, but not with such a flimsy 'case'.

 

I also don't understand quite how voting for Mynd is supposed to test the claim, unless you're planning to actually lynch him, which seems a drastic way of testing something. 

 

 

 

@ Turin, you said that you didn't like that I said I'd do a re-read. Do you disapprove of people doing re-reads?

 

 

Vote: Basel

Hmm, this seems like a lot of reasons that Turin is scummy, yet you vote for Basel instead. However, I am going to unvote and I want an explanation from Dice and basel on why they kept their vote on Mynd after what BG said.

[dicetosser1]

you couldnt read my previous post Rand?

 

here it is again with highlights

 

not vote someone even if they are scum? what the?

 

I really dont like the way ishy and mynd did this and BG says he has a good reason to believe them. I agree with turin that we are unlikely to hear that reason. I dont like that.

 

Mynd pops up  creates turmoil then disappears.

 

this is all stinking to me  vote mynd

 

the blue is why   BG has given no reason. So i go with the fact that i didnt like the ploy and dont believe the claim. Give me a good reason to believe it and i just might.

[cosmicpanda]

Rolefishing much, Dice?