[BASIC] A Long Walk - Game over. Town Wins!

[Nolder]

That's just not true though

 

Sakaea do you ever skim because you're scum?

[Sakaea]

Gotta admit I do sometimes, yeah. Specially if I'm in a hrury or am coatsing.

[RandA lThor]

See, but I do it the other way around. I skim when I'm town because I have to be less careful of slips.

[Tyler Glembo]

Interesting skimming discussion. I would have a hard time associating skimming with scum especially if it is only a slight correlation.

[Kaylee]

I have skimmed as both town & scrum. Especially when short on time. I try to go back & read though before posting, or at least before posting anything other than spam.

[peacesells]

Vote count:

 

Despo: (1) Sakaea

 

Sakaea: (2) BG, Despo

 

Nolder: (1) John Snow

 

TGlems: (1) Rand

 

Darthe: (1) Nolder

 

Not Voting: Darthe, Kaylee, GF, TGlems, JLM, Red, Mish,

 

No Deadline.

[michellem]

Well my thoughts is that 1 isolated incident of skimming, or missing a post, or whatever, shouldn't be seen as scum tell in itself. Everybody does it now and again. It if happens repeatadly though, and on top of other questionable behaviour, then it's worth mentioning.

[Nolder]

  On 10/20/2012 at 2:00 PM, Sakaea said:

Gotta admit I do sometimes, yeah. Specially if I'm in a hrury or am coatsing.

But you don't do it just because you are scum right?

 

That's my point

It's something anyone is going to do intentionally therefore it's not something one would do just when they are scum

 

It's bad reasoning

[Darthe]

Hi guys. Due to the lack of investigative roles mafia has no reason to manipulate the scenario. They can rest and let us pick one another off. With that in mind, time to read through the thread.

[Nolder]

That odd statement is making me feel pretty good about my vote

[Darthe]

lolz^ mafia in 3/4 of my past games would be a pretty atrocious record. you'd think i would get better at it if so. But no, im townie this time. Was kinda busy with the other thread and the mod just gave me a link to this game.

[Nolder]

Can he confirm that he only now just gave you the link to the game thread?

[Darthe]

You got a link to the thread with your starter post? I didn't and embarrassingly... forgot which forum the game was in though it should have been obvious.. Anyhow, I just bookmark my games and threads. Hence..--> you don't see me on other parts of DM often anymore.

[Nolder]

Ummm now that I double check...no I didn't get a link to the game thread either

Hmmm ok well uhh hm I guess that checks out for now

 

BANDWAGON MODE ENGAGE!

 

Unvote

 

Vote Sakaea

[hazelkrs1]

  On 10/20/2012 at 11:00 AM, Nolder said:

  On 10/20/2012 at 7:50 AM, Despothera said:

Those aren't contradictory statements Nol.

They are contradictory beliefs though

On the one hand you believe the occurrence is an honest mistake that anyone could make from time to time

On the other hand you believe that the occurrence, whether by design or accident, occurred because of hasty gameplay by scum

 

You can't believe both of these at the same time

 

They def aren't contradictory beliefs Nol. Lemme try this once again.

 

Anyone CAN make the honest mistake of skimming.

I think mafia make the honest mistake of skimming more often than town, or rather that they are more likely to do so than town.

 

  On 10/20/2012 at 11:34 PM, Nolder said:

  On 10/20/2012 at 2:00 PM, Sakaea said:

Gotta admit I do sometimes, yeah. Specially if I'm in a hrury or am coatsing.

But you don't do it just because you are scum right?

 

That's my point

It's something anyone is going to do intentionally therefore it's not something one would do just when they are scum

 

It's bad reasoning

 

Do you think that I was arguing that scum do it intentionally? Of course that's not what I was saying.

 

The idea, once again, is that by having a QT where a lot of gameplay is discussed tends to make SOME mafiosos get a little sloppy, in that they use the QT as a bit of a crutch and don't read and analyze and file away every post in the game thread, like a townie who is hungry for info and has no QT to discuss goings on with.

 

I don't think any mafia skim BECAUSE they are scum, it's just a byproduct of having some info spoon fed to them

 

  On 10/21/2012 at 2:27 AM, Darthe said:

Hi guys. Due to the lack of investigative roles mafia has no reason to manipulate the scenario. They can rest and let us pick one another off. With that in mind, time to read through the thread.

  On 10/21/2012 at 2:31 AM, Nolder said:

That odd statement is making me feel pretty good about my vote

 

I agree, Darthe's statement was a little strange there... in fact things could go quite the opposite. With fear of an investigative role, scum have to be very careful in manipulating conversations and voting, lest they get viewed. Without the fear of this sort of reprisal, they could be somewhat more overt in trying to get us to lynch each other.

 

Big FOS for Darthe's statement

 

To be clear tho I didn't really think you had anything before with your vote on him Nol

 

  On 10/21/2012 at 2:35 AM, Darthe said:

lolz^ mafia in 3/4 of my past games would be a pretty atrocious record. you'd think i would get better at it if so. But no, im townie this time. Was kinda busy with the other thread and the mod just gave me a link to this game.

 

I'm not sure if you're pushing the prob angle or not, but getting rolled as scum a lot of times in a row is not uncommon at all, a lot of times it seems people go through streaks where they're consistently scum in consecutive games, happened to me recently.

 

And Nol..... (le sigh)

 

Blech @ cheerleading bandwagonning and @ removing your vote off Darthe just because he explained one thing. FOS.

[Nolder]

  On 10/21/2012 at 4:41 AM, Despothera said:

And Nol..... (le sigh)

 

Blech @ cheerleading bandwagonning and @ removing your vote off Darthe just because he explained one thing. FOS.

1. Cheerleading?

2. Bandwagoning Day 1 is what I do, we've been over this.

3. I didn't remove my vote from Darthe because he explained "one thing". I removed my vote from Darthe because he addressed my concerns about avoiding this game which was the only reason I was voting him in the first place. You think I should have kept my vote on him even though I clearly no longer had any special reason to suspect him?

[hazelkrs1]

  On 10/21/2012 at 4:53 AM, Nolder said:

  On 10/21/2012 at 4:41 AM, Despothera said:

And Nol..... (le sigh)

 

Blech @ cheerleading bandwagonning and @ removing your vote off Darthe just because he explained one thing. FOS.

1. Cheerleading?

 

  On 10/21/2012 at 3:07 AM, Nolder said:

BANDWAGON MODE ENGAGE!

 

  On 10/21/2012 at 4:53 AM, Nolder said:

2. Bandwagoning Day 1 is what I do, we've been over this.

 

Doesn't mean I have to like it. Bandwagoning too early is basically castrating the town's scumhunt, because it negates the chance for continued pressure on multiple parties.

 

I think you just like quick games so you wanna bandwagon as quickly as possible so we can get through each day quicker. It's my experience tho that fast-paced games tend to favor mafia

 

  On 10/21/2012 at 4:53 AM, Nolder said:

3. I didn't remove my vote from Darthe because he explained "one thing". I removed my vote from Darthe because he addressed my concerns about avoiding this game which was the only reason I was voting him in the first place. You think I should have kept my vote on him even though I clearly no longer had any special reason to suspect him?

 

The only reason you had for voting him? What about that post of his that you said seemed odd? I completely agreed with that, his post was odd. Why let him off the hook for that post so easy?

[hazelkrs1]

In* my experience, not it's my experience

[Nolder]

  On 10/21/2012 at 5:28 AM, Despothera said:

  On 10/21/2012 at 4:53 AM, Nolder said:

  On 10/21/2012 at 4:41 AM, Despothera said:

And Nol..... (le sigh)

 

Blech @ cheerleading bandwagonning and @ removing your vote off Darthe just because he explained one thing. FOS.

1. Cheerleading?

 

  On 10/21/2012 at 3:07 AM, Nolder said:

BANDWAGON MODE ENGAGE!

I still don't understand

How is that cheerleading?

 

  On 10/21/2012 at 5:28 AM, Despothera said:

  On 10/21/2012 at 4:53 AM, Nolder said:

2. Bandwagoning Day 1 is what I do, we've been over this.

 

Doesn't mean I have to like it. Bandwagoning too early is basically castrating the town's scumhunt, because it negates the chance for continued pressure on multiple parties.

A single persons vote, on a train or not, does not negate any potential scumhunting nor does it prevent pressuring of multiple parties

 

  On 10/21/2012 at 5:28 AM, Despothera said:

  On 10/21/2012 at 4:53 AM, Nolder said:

3. I didn't remove my vote from Darthe because he explained "one thing". I removed my vote from Darthe because he addressed my concerns about avoiding this game which was the only reason I was voting him in the first place. You think I should have kept my vote on him even though I clearly no longer had any special reason to suspect him?

 

The only reason you had for voting him? What about that post of his that you said seemed odd? I completely agreed with that, his post was odd. Why let him off the hook for that post so easy?

I'm not going to vote someone for an odd post

Well sure I guess I could blow it out of proportion, it's day 1 afterall

But I'm choosing not to because other than that one thing Darthe seems alright right now

It was a weird thing to say and I'm not going to forget it

If Darthe comes back on my radar again I'll cite it and vote accordingly

For now I want to move on

 

Part of scumhunting is knowing when to let things go buddy

[Nolder]

I think we need to start getting some input from other people

With no cop we really can't afford to let lurkers off the hook

And that means if you're town and you're not being as active as you could be you need to stop it and keep up or asked to be replaced ASAP because you're really going to screw the game up for us if you don't

[John Snow]

  On 10/21/2012 at 6:43 AM, Nolder said:

I think we need to start getting some input from other people

With no cop we really can't afford to let lurkers off the hook

And that means if you're town and you're not being as active as you could be you need to stop it and keep up or asked to be replaced ASAP because you're really going to screw the game up for us if you don't

Yeah, without a cop lurking could kill town--good thing peace has the inactive rule he does in place.

Also, Nol, one vote is quite a bit of pressure in a game this small. If we say ~25% mafia, that'll be probably 3 scum, 10 town. Assuming you're town, your vote is 10% of the town vote, a significant amount.

Just like lurking, this is not a game for bandwagoning.

[Nolder]

Fair enough

 

What do you think about everything/everyone so far John?

[hazelkrs1]

  On 10/21/2012 at 6:41 AM, Nolder said:

  On 10/21/2012 at 3:07 AM, Nolder said:

BANDWAGON MODE ENGAGE!

I still don't understand

How is that cheerleading?

 

Well the all caps for one. And the way you're kind of making light of the whole affair, showcasing the bandwagonness of your vote.

 

It could just be cause I was picturing you in a cheerleader outfit with pom poms when you said it tho. And I suppose that could be my problem, although I would argue that it's your fault cause you stopped returning my calls

 

 

  On 10/21/2012 at 6:41 AM, Nolder said:

A single persons vote, on a train or not, does not negate any potential scumhunting nor does it prevent pressuring of multiple parties

 

Okay

 

But we're not talking about a single vote here. We're talking about bandwagoning. Bandwagoning implies that the vote IS on a train, and one bandwagon vote can easily lead to another. Plus what Mr. Snow pointed out is valid as well, in a small game like this bandwagoning can get carried away very easily

 

  On 10/21/2012 at 6:41 AM, Nolder said:

  On 10/21/2012 at 5:28 AM, Despothera said:

  On 10/21/2012 at 4:53 AM, Nolder said:

3. I didn't remove my vote from Darthe because he explained "one thing". I removed my vote from Darthe because he addressed my concerns about avoiding this game which was the only reason I was voting him in the first place. You think I should have kept my vote on him even though I clearly no longer had any special reason to suspect him?

 

The only reason you had for voting him? What about that post of his that you said seemed odd? I completely agreed with that, his post was odd. Why let him off the hook for that post so easy?

I'm not going to vote someone for an odd post

Well sure I guess I could blow it out of proportion, it's day 1 afterall

But I'm choosing not to because other than that one thing Darthe seems alright right now

It was a weird thing to say and I'm not going to forget it

If Darthe comes back on my radar again I'll cite it and vote accordingly

For now I want to move on

 

Part of scumhunting is knowing when to let things go buddy

 

Of course, and I think I've mentioned a number of times that I try hard to stay away from tunnelvision

 

But my problem is the when part. I think you let things go too quickly, taking off pressure when the right course of action might have been to get a couple of others on Darthe's train to see if more odd posts followed, or to see if someone jumped on the train too easily.

[hazelkrs1]

I totally agree bout the lurking thing btw, I would have no problem pressuring inactives a little earlier this game. Prob not yet, as it's a weekend, but soon.

 

Speaking of which I should mention that tomorrow night Niki and I are celebrating our anniversary in ATL, so I might not post tomorrow night, at least I won't if she can catch me

[michellem]

Aw, have a good time Des! ^^

 

 

I didn't get any major pings from Darthe's post to be honest. Nol pings me, but that's more because of his day 1 tacticts I guess; I really don't understand it.