[ADVANCED] KaeKey Game of Thrones Mafia - GAME OVER! NIGHT'S WATCH WINS!

[bgrishinko]

At this rate, we will just be able to lynch everyone who isn't confirmed town and eventually win.

[Gabriel Kross]

Basically, I had a gut feeling on you day 1, half the reason for that is now invalid due to Red flipping town, but even before you went away you didn't really contribute much. Not to mention, the way you basically shrugged of my statement against you day 1.

 

After you came back, you hammered with absolutely no additional thoughts contributed, granted Basil was a SK, but the way you trumped up your hammer and basically ingratiated the rest of us to your quick hammer is not something a townie would do. Red also commented on how you were acting weird and asked you if you would share thoughts and you blatently said no.

That is the most game-related post EP has made since. I'll be damned.

 

True, even though the case sucks. EP, you're casing me on a gut feel. I haven't actually contradicted myself, WIFOMed myself or anybody else, nor have I distanced or done anything you might label as "scummy". Instead, I was slightly inactive to start the game, went away for a long weekend, and came back to hammer the SK.

 

I shrugged off your "statement" against me on D1 for a simple reason: if you were scum, I wouldn't let you get a handhold on me to attempt a train.

 

As for the "trumping up my hammer", that is called joking. I'm pretty sure you don't think I'm bad enough to just randomly use something like that to make myself appear townie.....look at it through the lense of me joking around and you might see it differently.

 

Red commented on me acting weird because I don't normally play a "jokey" game in mafia. Not my style. She knows this, and is questioning me on it. I still haven't decided on whether I'm answering her, and in which way I'm leaning regarding her alignment.

 

 

Any other questions? Your "case" isn't really a case - it is a jumble of gut feels that you're cropping together to see what momentum you can get with me. I assure you, the momentum will be little to none. ;-)

 

 

I figure I'd go ahead and respond to both Verb and Ed in the same post since Verb was kind enough to quote ed's for me.

 

Ed, I have had quite alot of game related posting, even my day 1 shenanigans were mostly game related. Nice attempt to try to discredit me though.

 

Verb, only the first part is gut. The rest is genuinely scummy play on you. Anyone can just say hahaha just kidding to cover up their rear so people trust them. You lurked through the Avengers game and knew you couldn't play that style again with so many of the same players, so you play off and play it as joking.

 

Hmm. You know Red, you have been calling me scum for a long time now and I haven't seen my name or a reason in any WoT in a long while. Even when you tried to bait me with the "lurking" thing because I was busy for a day that was at least some reason.

 

I think I covered your case the most. While others have been saying they were willing to go for you even before I covered you, I gave the most description.

 

First, all through day 1 your interaction with me was not how you play. You never once called me down, that is strike 1 on you. You defended me for a play you couldn't possibly have understood, the Jester suggestion by Red was the most logical reaction to my play. (However since it was Red it was suspect at the time.) That is strike 2. You then agreed with my case against you, which is just hilarious, and strike 3. On top of that, you have been hounding BG without building a case, as well as Basel, you've been throwing out fancy words just to make people follow you, it didn't work for you as town so it won't work for you as scum.

 

UseRed, Townies can and have lied. For whatever reasons they might have had. I have done it as Town.

 

If Nol's role has been used and he is not a Mason, then there is no plausible way he know they are MOD-confirmed. Plain and simple.

My doubt is on that one aspect of what Nol has done, not on his alignment.

 

If there is more to Nol's Role do you think he'd out it for the world to see?

 

Btw, sorry. I was on my phone and I was Ninja'd.

lol, oops.

 

Now, back to my thing. Red, well back when you were 1.0, even you said if Nol just thought they were Town, then that was one thing, but if they were Mod-confirmed, then that was another.

So, you've already agreed with me.

 

My point is, even if he believes it, if they are not mod-confirmed (which would actually be from the Mod, btw), then he shouldn't go saying that just to placate us and make us shut up.

 

Unvote, esplains?

 

That is your assumption that it is just his belief. There is no reason to believe that Nolder isnt telling the truth your insistance that he isn't just makes you look bad.

[Basel Gill]

I want to formally issue an apology to Cyan, Mish, WoT13, and Lolguy for my comments about being new and possibly being associated with the Leelou thing. It was wrong of me and a poor line of reasoning. I feel that I have overstepped what is appropriate and did not intend anything personal. You are all great people and people I have enjoyed playing with and hope to continue enjoy playing with you. I did not mean it as an attack on integrity but a possible forgetful moment or possible ignorance. But I should not have brought it up. Kae and Key have taken care of that situation already and I should leave it be.

 

Also Unvote.

 

Props for owning up to this, BG.

[ed2funy]

That is the most game-related post EP has made since. I'll be damned.

Ed, I have had quite alot of game related posting, even my day 1 shenanigans were mostly game related. Nice attempt to try to discredit me though.

Sir, please kindly remove the large stick and accept the joke.

Thank you.

 

UseRed, Townies can and have lied. For whatever reasons they might have had. I have done it as Town.

 

If Nol's role has been used and he is not a Mason, then there is no plausible way he know they are MOD-confirmed. Plain and simple.

My doubt is on that one aspect of what Nol has done, not on his alignment.

 

If there is more to Nol's Role do you think he'd out it for the world to see?

You really think that kind of Role is out there?

With a Role Cop dead, somehow we now know Nightstrike isn't scum, you think there is a role that can verify two other townies by Night 1?

 

 

Btw, sorry. I was on my phone and I was Ninja'd.

lol, oops.

 

Now, back to my thing. Red, well back when you were 1.0, even you said if Nol just thought they were Town, then that was one thing, but if they were Mod-confirmed, then that was another.

So, you've already agreed with me.

 

My point is, even if he believes it, if they are not mod-confirmed (which would actually be from the Mod, btw), then he shouldn't go saying that just to placate us and make us shut up.

 

Unvote, esplains?

 

That is your assumption that it is just his belief. There is no reason to believe that Nolder isnt telling the truth

 

It is a well-educated hypothesis.

 

 

your insistance that he isn't just makes you look bad.

 

Your face makes you look bad.

[Kaylee]

In light of what's happened since I was on last a vote on Night doesn't seem best. I'm unsure of Red and Rand.

 

Red is more of a gut feeling at this point. Rand, I'll have to go back and pull quotes.

 

Also, I wanted to note that I'll be gone from tomorrow afternoon until Sunday night around this time.

[Kaylee]

guys theres no need for us to be moving this fast. we gain info from Nights lynch yes, but theres plenty of time and it would be better to pressure another person and get more info. about all the info that can be gained from Night at this point can be gained.

 

i'm not saying Night shouldn't be lynched, i agree with my previous pressure on him and my thoughts haven't changed abotu him. but i dislike basiclaly wasting this day by only focusing on him. this lynch feels scum driven tbh, in more ways than one.

 

OK, I was going to vote you for your constant pushing of NS and bulldogging of EP because of his night watch thing (which i thought was really really bad), but judging from your reaction to Nol saying that he was town and this one right here, I have a feeling that you were just bulldogging as usual

An example of fence sitting.

 

I was originally getting a town vibe - if one with a bit of a language barrier and some extra frustration - from Nightstrike, but his more recent posts have been more anti-town than frustrated town, especially the "I hope you lose" bit. At this point, I'm hoping he is frustrated mafia instead of town reacting that badly.

 

While reviewing my notes from D1, Rand also stood out - there were several times when taking notes I seriously thought "are you getting splinters from sitting on that fence, Rand?" Rand could use some pressure as well. I think he's grown past the point of getting flustered and announcing himself as mafia in games, but we may learn something nonetheless.

 

Vote Rand

 

well at least you acknowledge that. yes, I have been fence-sitting a little, but I have also shown clear opinions in this game as well. The fence sitting has mainly been because I have been confused this game about somethings going on, but that's no excuse. Yes, I have been fence-sitting a little in this game, going to try and get clearer views soon, but I have not been fence-sitting the whole game.

Admits to the fence sitting...

I never have understood how fence sitting can be considered a legit accusation. At best its a little wifom. If you are town, you have no direct knowledge of alignments. Therefore fence sitting is natural.

 

The wifom part I get cause scum can use fence sitting as a way to hedge.

 

But fence sitting on it's own is not an indication of guilt. I've felt that way many times as town.

 

It's coming across to me as playing a little too careful - trying to play both sides of the fence, so to speak, not being willing to be pinned down to a position.

Agreed.

 

Then there is this:

Btw, starting day, I am going to present a few things that I found scummy from tonight.

I found this on a reread and didn't remember seeing these "things" so I looked through the rest of his posts...

 

Honestly, I am getting a town read on Ed right now. No mafia would be so belligerent, accuse a mod-confirmed townie, and do this. Its one of those things where he is so scummy that he has to be town.

Not necessarily has to be, but you get my pont, very likely.

 

Other than the fence sitting talk, these are the only other posts from him since D2 started.

 

If you think Ed is mafia why would I attach my self to him?

Ed, so by that, I take it that you don't trust Peace? You didn't unvote and you posted after him.

Not sure what "things" he's supposedly pointed out here. Still no casings. Rand, if I somehow missed what you were trying to point out please tell me because I don't see it.

For now I think a little more pressure here might give good info. Vote Rand

[ed2funy]

Starting tomorrow Night, I will be a bit more sporadic.

 

Kate is flying in. ^.^

[John E. Kelley]

Go out for the night and all hell breaks loose.

 

Since Peace has cleared him I'll Unvote.

[dicetosser1]

unvote while i wrap my head around what i think i should do

[dicetosser1]

oops unvote

[JenLenaMom]

I'm alive! Ugh that was mostly a self induced thing from stress I think. The surge of adrenaline when I thought my youngest had caught the microwave on fire didn't help.

 

Coffee is working it's fabulous way into my foggy brain so I can re-read last night's posts and make sense of them this time.

 

And I'm going to give you all a heads up, not only is the weekend coming up and I'll be scarce but Sunday is my sister-in-law's baby shower so we are traveling to see family. I'll have my phone so I'll check in as often as I can but it is a PITA to go back in the game and there's no mulit-quote.

[JenLenaMom]

this makes Strikes lynch even more info gathering. but if peace can be believed then likely my gut reaction about my NK was right and Ishy, JLM or Mish are scum

 

 

 

Ed i'm not agreeing with you. i wanted clarification on Nol on why he was 100%. if it was cause of soemthign the mods told him (ie: mod confrimed) or his gut. Nol said its mod confirmed 100%, hence i dropped it.

 

you keep goign on it though.

 

 

the Strike thing is more concrete to focus on now. we have two choices, trust Peace or lynch Strike to prove Peace. i'm willing to believe peace atm.

 

 

 

in this case, my gut on Strike being set up by my NK is ringing true, which means we need pressure on the people who gained the most and tried to capitalize most from Red 1.0's NK.

 

 

JLM and Ishy seem the best trains right now imo

 

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE: JLM

 

 

Rand and Ed, ya'll arent' off the hook. BG i'm still unsure of, its his lurking that has me uneasy. i'm good with a competing train on him. i'm off work now, but i'm gonna go back and examine the Strike stuff when i get home before the debate. comparing the Snow train from D1 with the people driving the train on Strike will be good way to narrow it down.

 

 

FoS @ Cyan for fishing. its obvious what happened, its also obvious there only a few reasons why Peace would know Night isn't scum.

 

 

Ed - i know what it is, its like a tree stump. the wiki also says its passive, meaning he likely has another role up his sleeve. or the mods coudl have tweaked it. i dont rally care, all i know and care abotu is that i have no reason not to take Nols words at face value

 

How does your NK have anything to do with me being scum? Because I commented on it? Give me a break. I was building a case on Strike before day broke and we knew you had been NK'd. I don't need to take out big game to set someone up for a lynch. You found his behavior just as scummy as I did, you started the pressure on him so now that we KNOW he's town don't turn around and start making accusations at the other people that did. Show me a quote where I tried to capitalize on Red 1.0's NK. I never once said, "Oh Red died, NS must have done it." Nor implied it.

 

In my book NS is as good as mod-confirmed town. I think he play stank, he needs to learn how to play this game but he's town, I'm backing off.

 

To me it looks more like you're taking advantage of the kerfuffle to try to take people's minds off the fact that you were on the one who started the Nightstrike thing. You called attention to him as Red1.0 and suddenly as Red2.0 you're throwing around FOS's at anyone who noticed it and started casing him as well.

[keyholder21]

Official Vote Count:

 

Rand (3) - Razen, Songs, Kaylee

BG (2) - Darthe, peace

Nightstrike (1) - John Snow

Verbal (1) - EP

Razen (1) - Despo

Eddie (1) - Nolder

JLM (1) - Red

Despo (1) - Eddie

Red (1) - BG

 

Not voting (10) Verbal, Rand, Nightstrike, WoT, Cyan, Misheru, Basel, JLM, Ishy, Dice

 

 

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

 

 

 

PSSSSSSSSSSST - dicelove, next time make sure you bold your vote/unvote .

[bgrishinko]

My vote is mysteriously absent.

[keyholder21]

Nuh uh . Check again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, it was on the back of my little piece of paper.

[bgrishinko]

By golly, there it is!

[Verbal32]

More than likely it's due to her having to change allegiance after she replaced in. Her stance from Day one to Day two has made a complete 180.

 

That's what you get when you have dead players replace back into games. See my post in the grievance thread for details.

 

 

 

Verb, only the first part is gut. The rest is genuinely scummy play on you. Anyone can just say hahaha just kidding to cover up their rear so people trust them. You lurked through the Avengers game and knew you couldn't play that style again with so many of the same players, so you play off and play it as joking.

 

EP, would you say that I've been reasonably active since Tuesday morning? I would say yes. I would say that my activity over these past few days has been average, and not lurky. I was away with no internet last weekend. Don't link that to actual casing - it's cheesy. I didn't lurk - I was simply inactive. I'm not inactive anymore. I have yet to be lurking in this game. If this is your case, you won't get any traction on me. Go away.

[Verbal32]

@ Mods: I have a request to make simply as a player of this game. Can you shed a little light on what happened? No details, but a general understanding? Some of us have no clue what that was about, and I'm nervous that people could use the smokescreen to make moves in the game under cover of what you guys did.

[Sakaea]

I made a mistake in a couple of role PMs, and it made it so that a dynamic of the game was not working correctly. When I realized it I worked to rectify it as best as I could. It was completely my fault.

[John E. Kelley]

Stay off the crack Kae. It's killing your brain cells.

 

[Red2111]

@Red how am I supposed to know what happened? Everyone else seems to know, so could one of you explain it please?

 

no i'm not goign to explain. review the Mafia Wiki roles if your confused as to what might have happened.

 

note - i'm not being snide, though that probably came off that way. i just dont want to speculate on thread about what may or maynot have happened since atm i trust Peace.

 

 

the Strike thing is more concrete to focus on now. we have two choices, trust Peace or lynch Strike to prove Peace. i'm willing to believe peace atm.

The Mod just stopped the game and then reopened it admitting to some mistake. There shouldn't be a question.

 

read Verbs quote and my response.

 

 

 

FoS @ Cyan for fishing. its obvious what happened, its also obvious there only a few reasons why Peace would know Night isn't scum.

So why question trusting him?

 

i'm not quesitoning trusting Peace.

 

 

 

Ed - i know what it is, its like a tree stump. the wiki also says its passive, meaning he likely has another role up his sleeve. or the mods coudl have tweaked it. i dont rally care, all i know and care abotu is that i have no reason not to take Nols words at face value

I do. The way he finally admitted it was not right.

 

Ed if you trust Nol then you have to trust that he's tellign the truth abotu them being mod confirmed to him. you can't have your cake and eat it too bro.

 

 

 

Well, I guess Peace AND Nightstrike are town then.

 

Vote Red

 

If Nightstrike is town, then Red's new reaction makes sense. Distance from the lynch. Its all WIFOMed up, but its the best lead I've got.

 

case please.

 

btw, i fully expect Ishy and JLM's votes to follow on this, as they've been milking this line of thought as well and pushign the distance angle.

 

 

[How does your NK have anything to do with me being scum? Because I commented on it? Give me a break. I was building a case on Strike before day broke and we knew you had been NK'd. I don't need to take out big game to set someone up for a lynch. You found his behavior just as scummy as I did, you started the pressure on him so now that we KNOW he's town don't turn around and start making accusations at the other people that did. Show me a quote where I tried to capitalize on Red 1.0's NK. I never once said, "Oh Red died, NS must have done it." Nor implied it.

 

JLM, your a smarter player than this. you know what i mean by capitalizing on Red 1.0s NK and using it to push the Strike lynch. you, Ishy and Mish had the most to gain from Red 1.0 flipping town. like i said, the NK pinged liek a set up, now we find, it was exactly that. you guys had the most to gain, hence you guys are the best place to start for finding scum.

 

 

To me it looks more like you're taking advantage of the kerfuffle to try to take people's minds off the fact that you were on the one who started the Nightstrike thing. You called attention to him as Red1.0 and suddenly as Red2.0 you're throwing around FOS's at anyone who noticed it and started casing him as well.

 

yes i called attention to him. for two reasons. to get pressure on him over a scummy ass vote and play and 2 to see who else joined in. my aim wasn't just strike with that pressure, it was also to see others reactions. your reaction was one of the more interestings, hecne my pressure on you this entire day and now my vote on you.

 

 

@ Mods: I have a request to make simply as a player of this game. Can you shed a little light on what happened? No details, but a general understanding? Some of us have no clue what that was about, and I'm nervous that people could use the smokescreen to make moves in the game under cover of what you guys did.

 

^ this. which is why i said we have two options. lynch Strike to prove Peace truthful, which i'm against. or go after the people who capitalized most from Red 1.0's death (which i favor)

 

 

i still have to go back and analyze the two cases and lynches though. last night was a no go with the debate on.

[John E. Kelley]

What exactly did I gain from you flipping Town Red? Cuz I ain't seeing it.

[JenLenaMom]

You know what I realize that anything I say to defend myself (yes even this) you're going to take and turn back against me.

 

Case me for everyone to see.

 

You haven't done that. Just said what you believe I've done. What have I said on thread to tie me Mish or Ishy and what makes you think I have anything to gain. what have I said on thread to make you think I have anything to gain. I don't want you out of the game you're very good at it.

[bgrishinko]

@ Red. I don't have too much of a case right now honestly. All I have to go on is your reversal of thought about NS. I just feel you are off and I'm at a lack of a better suspect right now. We are somewhat certain Strike is town now, and so it seems like you may have tried to work away from that to start FoSing those who were on the train.

 

I've gotta go re-read to get more opinions cause I was more focused on paying attention to Peace and NS today.

[Red2111]

@ BG - because thats exactly what i did. i made no bones abotu it and owned up to it rather point blank. as i said, the NK on Red 1.0 gave me pause about Strikes alignment. you'll bnotice though, i started to back off of Strike once others started to chime in on him N1 though.

 

 

What exactly did I gain from you flipping Town Red? Cuz I ain't seeing it.

 

an easy lynch and framing up Strike rather nicely. becuase by Red 1.0 flippign town, it put wieght to the case i had against him and incriminated him. hence me saying the NK felt like a frame job.

 

you, JLM and Mish were hardest against Strike over the night aside from myself; whcih is why i say you three had the most to gain from a NK on Red 1.0

 

 

 

You know what I realize that anything I say to defend myself (yes even this) you're going to take and turn back against me.

 

Case me for everyone to see.

 

You haven't done that. Just said what you believe I've done. What have I said on thread to tie me Mish or Ishy and what makes you think I have anything to gain. what have I said on thread to make you think I have anything to gain. I don't want you out of the game you're very good at it.

 

oh i'm pulling a case against you don't worry abtou that. i just have to wait until later tonight to do it when i'm not at work. i've only got 2 hours left and haven't gotten a thing done.

 

 

this will likely be my last post until later this evening tbh.