[ADVANCED] KaeKey Game of Thrones Mafia - GAME OVER! NIGHT'S WATCH WINS!

[RandA lThor]

OK, vigs can be pretty useful if they let town guide them, however, they can also holster if we dont know who to kill. That bein said, not sure whether or not he is vig or SK. I dont know about the canon at all, so at this point I am going to go with what you guys have been saying. If it really is more likely to have that character as an SK and he has a normal every night role, then I think SK may be a little more likely. So for now vote Basel but I am going to do a reread.

[beanie]

Hey guys, sorry I haven't been so active in this game. I've been following along, just haven't taken the time to post. But yah, deadline soon, so here I am

 

I don't have time to go into details or look for quotes because I have exactly 6 minutes left and won't get back on until tonight, but the people who I think are the most scummy right now are Night and Snow. I'll go look up quotes for Night later, Snow because it seems like he started lurking once people backed off his train after he claimed. Tress is still pinging me a bit too. EP I'm not sure about. I don't really believe his claim and even if he is town, I don't think he's helping us much. I've never been in a game with a vig before, but they sound like they could be very useful if directed properly, so I'm not gonna vote Basel. I think both Ishy and Red are town. Peace, I'm not so sure about, but I find it interesting that both he thinks both the people FoSing him are scum.

 

And I'm out of time.

 

Going random is not a good option, so of the people with the most votes, I think BG is the scummiest.

 

Vote BG.

[hazelkrs1]

So much to say!

 

Red is Red. Red is also scum this game. Just about everything I've seen from her this game screams that she is mafia. There are two facets to Red's meta: her bulldogging and her flinging fos's at just about everyone in the game. She's done both this game. But the way she HAS been off her meta is that when she is town she tends to dance around and put a lot more "haha in your FACE scum!" type stuff in her posts; in other words she's more antagonistic as town.

 

This game she has trumped up some silly stuff on a lot of people, and it has felt forced to me. And her defense to other fos's thrown at her seems to be weak as well.

 

And don't get me started on the whole Jester business. It's a HUGE scumtell to me, when people start throwing out the jester card in mafia games. It can be used for any number of things, to try and defend a teammate without looking like they're defending, but in this case I think Red used it as a way to try and backtrack from her bulldogging of EP.

 

And EP, stop acting like you're known for pulling crazy moves that don't go quite the way you think they will. You're know for trying to pull off crazy moves that really just explode in your face and piss everyone else off. It's like you think you gotta go for the Hail Mary on every play, instead of just working with your team to get some positive yardage plays. It's selfish and hurts town, it's not just you misunderstanding how your role works. You try using that excuse every game, and it sickens me.

 

But then Red comes in and says we don't need to keep focusing on EP's play, yet you continue to talk about it. And you are wrong about the wifom thing with me and Peace- suggesting that it's possible the Starks WON'T be town is wifoming. I haven't done it this game, you have.

 

As for BG, you DID say we should go after inactives, and it wasn't inactive players that are normally active, since one of the players you named was Cyan. She's new to mafia, there's no way you can pretend like you know how active she normally is in a mafia game.

 

As for lynching an inactive, it's FOOLISH to do that day 1! We have PLENTY of great scummy candidates for us to lynch.

 

I think the lynch today should be between Basel, Red, and BG. I move that the active players in the game try deciding between those for now since the deadline is coming up

[hazelkrs1]

Oh and Cyan, not sure if you missed this or not, but Snow claimed Ned Stark. And there was never really much of a case on him at all to begin with, just a sudden rush of bandwagon votes

[John E. Kelley]

As for lynching an inactive, it's FOOLISH to do that day 1! We have PLENTY of great scummy candidates for us to lynch.

 

I think the lynch today should be between Basel, Red, and BG. I move that the active players in the game try deciding between those for now since the deadline is coming up

 

Bolded. Preaching to the choir Broseph.

 

And as far as your three lynch choices. Basel. All day and twice on Tuesday.

[hazelkrs1]

Basel does seem like a great candidate to me.

 

Red is the most scummy, but I want her to keep playing. She makes the game fun.

 

BG has been faintly scummy, and kind of off his meta as far as contradicting himself and not being that logical, but he's also been a bit busy so maybe his mind has just been too frazzled for the game so far.

 

Basel went after EP WELL after it was kind of established that no matter how antitown EP's actions tend to be, he was still most likely town. And Basel's claim is too convenient. Even if he is Jaqen, I could easily see him being a SK instead of Vig. I think he might be lying, and is a mafia nightkiller and doesn't want a Tracker to get him in trouble so he went with vig.

 

And even if he's telling the truth, as others have already said, a vig can easily just speed the game up for mafia and end up hurting town.

 

Liking my vote where it is

[ed2funy]

Unvote

Vote Basel

 

I don't think anyone is going to hop over to Ishy, and we're going to need to consolidate votes.

[Leelou]

I'm happy with my vote where it is.

[ed2funy]

UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Basel (6) - Mish, leelou, Des, Ishy, Rand, Ed

BG (4) - Darthe, Red, peace, Cyan

Ishy (2) - Songs, Basel

John Snow (1) - Lenlo

JLM (1) - EP

Rand (1) - Razen

Kaylee (1) - Nolder

Songs (1) - Nightstrike

Nightstrike (1) - John Snow

peace (1) BG

 

Not voting (7): Kaylee, Verb, dice, WOT, JLM

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

 

DL: http://www.timeandda... Deadline&csz=1

That's just about 18 hours.

 

 

All those people with votes on one person need to reconsider their choices.

[JenLenaMom]

Ok great and mighty moddesses I'm here I swear!

 

Red always pings me, just the way she plays. Despo too. And peace while we're at it, lol, always they seems scum to me so I'm hesitant to vote for any of them just on my reactions to them.

 

We need a lynch as much as a vig can be sometimes useful I agree that it can be harmful to town as well. And there is always the chance it's really a SK. I've actually won a game as a SK by claiming Vig once.

 

Vote Basel

 

[Red2111]

Despo, you are so gonna eat your words when i flip, just saying bro

 

 

sneaking in while bubbas playing NBA2K13 again. poor guy finally got a day off after 2 months of no days off due to work and school so i've been letting him relax all day. though he did promise grudginly to work on the guest list with me tonight ... anyways.

 

i'm good with a Basel lynch. yeah Ishy, i was mafia killer as well or SK for Basels character. it really fits his character imo

 

 

unvote

 

vote: Basel

[keyholder21]

Sheesh Eddie, it hadn't been that long since a vote count! There's one on the previous page . Just teasing, do as many UNofficials as you want *g*.

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Ishy (2) - Songs, Basel

John Snow (1) - Lenlo

BG (3) - Darthe, peace, Cyan

JLM (1) - EP

Rand (1) - Razen

Kaylee (1) - Nolder

Songs (1) - Nightstrike

Nightstrike (1) - John Snow

Basel (8) - Mish, leelou, Des, Ishy, Rand, Eds, JLM, Red

peace (1) BG

 

Not voting (4): Kaylee, Verb, dice, WOT,

 

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

 

DL: http://www.timeandda... Deadline&csz=1 (17.5 hours and counting....)

[ed2funy]

lol, I just couldn't resist. It is so much work going back a whole page to see the vote count. *sighs*

 

Hehehe

[Nolder]

Fine

 

Unvote

Vote Basel

[John E. Kelley]

You don't sound happy about it Nol. You disagree? Have someone else in mind?

[ed2funy]

You-Know-Who is a confirmed Townie, so listen up and follow him!

 

 

 

*hasn't been reading Harry Potter*

[ed2funy]

Lord Noldermort scares me.

[bgrishinko]

 

 

Unvote

Vote Basel

 

[Red2111]

dragging up the votes, unvotes and responses going on while the John train was happening. figured it might be worth while to drag it up in one big quote block then re-examine it.

 

 

As bad as his play's been, that was a very scummy vote John Snow. You really do know nothing don't you? EP, if your namesake, and with no CC, I have no reason to think he isn't, is close to safe at the moment. Voting for him right now stinks.

 

Unvote. Vote He Who Knows Nothing.

 

EP, your trying to use meta to vet yourself, even if its only to Red. Thats a ping.

 

I dont like how Snow has been handling these accusations being thrown his way though. As much as I dont like EP right now, Snow is the better lynch.

 

unvote vote snow

 

*sneezes*

sorry, allergies.

 

I've seen this play from you before John, a certain Pokemon game to be exact. Ishy is probably on to something. I have other means of protecting myself from Red, so. Evil clone is evil unvote Vote John.

 

Well, I have reread and have to say I think my vote goes best here: Unvote Vote BG

 

Also, I didn't see a reason why from either of you but I believe both Ishy and Despo think me scummy now?

 

EP. Once again I suggest you think about that story I told you in te Star Wars game.

 

Unvote Vote Jon Snow

 

Jon you are definitely a bit dense this game.

 

Ishy I don't think you posted enough times the links you are making with me Darthe and BG. Can you add a few more please so even the most unobservant folks here can get it?

 

On that thought, Darthe obvious linking to me is obvious. Scummy move.

 

OK, thoughts on reread.

 

Red: Bulldogging like her normal self, WoTs, dislikes EP, all normal

EP: Playing a really really horrible game, but a townie one. I am reading townie on him, fits with his meta, but he is playing so bad right now its not even funny. Literally, anyone can say I am pissing people off so I can see their reactions. What people like EP don't understand is that first of all, to people who are more sensitive than others, reactions will vary, and this is probably one of the worst ways to tell something. So I think he is townie, but I think our best option right now would be to ignore him until he is able to come out of his little box and play well, or at least at an average rate.

John: He does remind me of mafia right now, reactions are not coming off well, so vote John. By the way, I hate all of you for putting 6 pages of posts, that took forever to read now. :P

 

EP - you are not Ape or Mynd, this is not a good play style for you. Pissing people off in the manner that you do just makes them want to vote you no matter what you claim. It works against you more than for you.

 

John Snow - your vote and reasoning for your vote on EP sticks out.

 

vote John Snow

 

Hey look, people were talking about me last night! I feel so loved.

 

In other news we are STILL talking about EP. You know what I think. I think EP is probably on telling half a truth. He's probably Jon Snow, not a problem there. His odd role hints are always WIFOM for better or worse. I don't believe he is mafia for now based on the character, but ya never know how 3rd parties can be assigned. I mean the NIght's Watch is meant to be above all, but I'm willing to let him do his thing for now.

 

What I think is that his behavior draws out the reactions from everyone. However, I think the intended consequences are backfiring as happens at least 60% of the time according to EP's own words, which means townies are frustrated and getting caught in the trap. I think mafia might be trying to stay quiet and aloof. Therefore I think LZM, wot13, Cyan and some others that typically post more but are at the bottom of the barrel are suspect.

 

Vote LZM for that reason.

 

Ok this bugs me because this is NOT what moot means. It means the point has been argued so much that it no longer makes any sense. As in "The discussion of EP's playstyle is moot so I won't even comment." What you mean is you're ignoring his reactions.

 

Also I looked back through Wot's posts BG Wot has a PR.

 

Post Restriction? Where do you get this idea?

 

Yes WOT has a post restriction, it was given on page one after she broke two rules in one post, one by posting before the mods said it was ok to and one by editing the same post. Hence the reason she's posting in rhyme. I see Tress just posted the quote.

 

So after re-reading all of that BS I'm going to Vote John Snow

 

I feel better about Basel but I can switch to John

 

Unvote

Vote John

 

unvote

I've got class and will do a re-read after, but I'm Ned Stark.

 

Unvote

Vote Basel

 

Starks all up in this joint yo!

 

Oy more reveals. Unvote

 

Unvote vote Red

 

Took me from yesterday evening to this afternoon to read one page, then I see two more were added.

 

I think EP should be Night Killed with much pleasure, but even if he doesn't know how to play properly and needs some lessons, I think he is more town than mafia atm, and they won't NK him.

 

I was going to o back and reread more on John Snow because of the train, but apparently, it would be useless now.

 

So,

Unvote for now.

 

 

Far as I am tracking, the reveals thus far are:

 

Noldy - Innocent Child - Riccon Stark (da fug is that?)

EP - Probably lying about his role - Jon Snow

John Snow - No Role Claim - Ned Stark

 

 

 

Sorry Kae. You ninja'd me.

 

UNVOTE

VOTE BASEL.

 

Back to my original thoughts.

 

Also.

 

Unvote.

 

I have to go back over a few things when I get home before voting again.

 

Unvote

 

Ok here's my thoughts so far, sorry they're a little bit jumbled. And btw I hate you all for your long posts.

 

I think EP is probably town. Whether he's actually helping town or not is another question, but you guys already discussed that for like ten whole pages so I'm not going to go into the details. Though I just gotta say all the role hinting is not cool.

Red...I don't know.

Darthe has been acting scummy imo. Not anything post in particular, just a gut feeling.

I don't really believe John. I'm not counter claiming or anything, but he shouldn't be clear just because he claims.

Tress has been lurky and hasn't posted much game related stuff that I've seen.

 

 

Okay and to weigh in on other matters briefly:

 

The train on Mr. Snow built up out of nowhere. Never really saw anything scummy from him, yet bandwagoners were leaping on like crazy there for a minute. Will examine that train later

 

On CC'ing: There's really two sides to this argument, it's not like one person's definitely correct. Obviously, Nolder's school of thought is that mafia, being a numbers game, always makes sense to have someone CC cause even if they do end up getting killed, it still ensures at least one scum goes down with them. 1 for 1, even if it's a power role, still tends to favor town most of the time.

 

The other school of thought is that it's more advantageous to NOT CC because of the info that can be gained from it. For instance, seeing which people either insantly accept the claim or slyly try to act suspicious of it, or even call out for a CC, can be some useful info. Not only that, but being able to get rid of that person, or prove them a liar without having to CC, not only takes some skill, but can also keep other town PR's alive while still bagging scum. I happen to agree with this school of thought, incidentally.

 

The problem here is that the info that CAN be obtained by not CC'ing, and gauging reactions to a false claim, isn't necessarily foolproof. Plus, since neither Mr. Snow or EP claimed a role, it would be much harder to prove them liars.

 

Either way, it's up to the person whether or not they want to CC, and if they decide not to it doesn't automatically make them stupid

 

i actually agree with Desp about the train on John. i think that scum were either leading that or really pushing it hard. hecne another reason why i'm not buying EP as town, he was a really huge driving force on Johns train.

 

 

i think theres loads of info to be gained off of examining Johns train.

 

btw Ed, you still having told me why you thought that just cause John claimed, it would be fruitless to re-examine him.

 

and i still dont get what info Tress saw aroudn John 1/3rd into a re-read at page 25

 

I said there was no need, but I was already half-way through it and finished it.

There was no need to, imo, because I didn't see why they were voting him. But I didn't want to say that, because it sounds like trying to hop on to his side to sound more Town. No offense, Despo. I agree with you, and the way you worded it, I actually didn't get that vibe from you.

 

Convenient, that only after Mr. Snow revealed, that suddenly Red, Despo, and Ed come out in support of him. They had nothing to say while the train built.

 

Just interesting to me.

[Razen]

Reading Red's quotes that she pulled, I just was struck by an odd idea.

 

If Nol claimed that he knows that both EP and Snow are both town, then how is it that EP is joining a train on him? Something's not sitting right with me with the whole knowing business. I will go back to check the exact timestamps, but if I recall correctly, this was before Nol had said that he knew that they were both town, but after Nol was mod confirmed as town. So even if they were trying to hide that fact, it's still a VERY strange vote coming from him.

 

I'd like to hear an explanation about that. So much so that if we weren't this close to the deadline, I'd be voting for one of them. But given that I have class all morning tomorrow (and no computer allowed), I'm going to unvote, vote: Basel.

[John E. Kelley]

That puts Mr. Gill at L-2. Maybe we should give him a last chance to speak before going any further? Would be the decent thing to do.

[Red2111]

so to sum this up.

 

Despo, Ed, and Me thought the train was bum rushed, but said this in hind sight cause we weren't on during the votes, claim and unvotes.

 

 

Ishy - votes cause of the late vote on EP

 

Len - votes for defensiveness

 

EP - votes due to Meta

 

Peace - votes for defensiveness

 

Rand - combo meta and defensiveness

 

Leelou - vote on EP

 

JLM - gave no reason

 

Nol - *confirmed town*

 

 

non- John votes, pre claim

 

Darthe - votes BG, no explination, says nothing in reguards to John or EP and focuses on Despo, BG and Ishy.

 

BG - votes Led, focuses on EP and inactives (Led, Time and Cyan) ignores John totally.

 

 

 

post claim -

 

Cyan: claims Johns claim shouldn't clear him. Ishy trys to turn the FoS on me, Despo and Ed for our comments.

 

 

 

over all, Darthe, Rand, BG and Leelou are pinging the most in this.

 

others have stated this, but Rand has that Cheerleading thing going on. he keeps a background interest goign on, but is also lurking as well

 

Darthe has yet to explain his vote, has out right refused infact and is again lurking

 

Leelou came out of no where to vote and unvote, then poofed as fast as she popped up

 

and BG, well we've said enough on him as this point.

 

 

last mentioned is Ishy. not his vote but his post directed at me, Despo and Ed. it was very opportunistic.

 

 

i'd love pressure on Darthe and Rand the most with BG in 3rd

[John E. Kelley]

Opportunistic? I think you meant insightful.

[ed2funy]

Reading Red's quotes that she pulled, I just was struck by an odd idea.

 

If Nol claimed that he knows that both EP and Snow are both town, then how is it that EP is joining a train on him? Something's not sitting right with me with the whole knowing business. I will go back to check the exact timestamps, but if I recall correctly, this was before Nol had said that he knew that they were both town, but after Nol was mod confirmed as town. So even if they were trying to hide that fact, it's still a VERY strange vote coming from him.

 

I'd like to hear an explanation about that. So much so that if we weren't this close to the deadline, I'd be voting for one of them. But given that I have class all morning tomorrow (and no computer allowed), I'm going to unvote, vote: Basel.

 

Uhhhh, what?

You're willing to vote Lord Noldermort?

[ed2funy]

Also, I laugh at EP trying to say everyone was following his reasons on voting Snow.

*laughs at EP*