[ADVANCED] WOT Mafia: The Great Hunt - GAME OVER!

[Gabriel Kross]

Here is the rest of it.

 

Nolder I accidentally greened you. EP, when was the last time you were actually right about something in mafia? Rand, that's based on my impressions of D1 and your interactions with peace. I have claimed I was silenced etc before in games to protect myself. You could have done the same. Still, you're low on my list and we will see how you play tomorrow.

 

Here he tries to discredit me basically saying I'm never right, and besides the fact that is wrong.

 

1.Wombat JLM

2. John Snow - Rand al'Thor, Town Searcher and Watchmaker, Killed Day 2

3. Peace - Renna, Mafia Vote Thief, Lynched Day 2

4. EP

5. wheeloftime Turin

6. Player

7. Tiinker Nolder

8. BG

9. GF – Claims Hurin, Cop

10. LZM

11. Lenlo - Mat Cauthon, Town Searcher, Killed Night 1

12. Niel

13. Sakaea

14. Nightstrike

15. notbob

16. dicetosser

17. Despo

18. Shinori – Claims Elayne Trakand

19. Sorcha - Nynaeve, Town Healer, Killed Night 1

20. Darthe

21. Rand

22. lolguy

 

Green (town) and Purple (mafia) are my reads on people. Red and Blue are corriner reports. People who aren't highlighted have either not contributed much at all or I have a null read on.

 

Shinori, strange and weak claim but I believe it

EP – Majorly pushing game mechanic talk and third party talk, attacking now confirmed townies

LZM pings a lot, mostly quiet otherwise

WoT13 being quiet

Grandeal Favorite supports mass reveals and tries to lynch Matt quickly but says he believes the claim, claims cop, Hurin

Nightstrike not here much

BG comes from nowhere and pushes John to not use his power

Kae was scummy early

 

My mafia list so far is:

LZM, EP, Kae, BG, and Rand.

 

My town list so far is:

Darthe, Despo, Niel, Nolder, Player, and JLM

 

These are all speculative of course but I feel pretty confident and intend to vote LZM in the morning.

 

I missed this because I was tired, please point to where I mentioned third party or go after confirmed townies no one is confirmed in my book yet, I don't fully trust GF his story changes every time he posts I won't chance lynching him but in my book right now just because he says someone is town doesn't mean they are. Remember based on the original story his and Shinori's sides hadn't matched up. When I mentioned this GF's story changed to that his action was a day action. So yeah...

 

You have mentioned third party before. Dead people are pretty confirmed and you pushed all of their lynches D1 before being early on the no vote with little reasoning. Your other posts amused me but I do not intend to respond to all of them, it is unnecessary and pointless. There is probably some ancient saying about one sided battles of wits but honestly the term always makes me think of the episode of South Park where Cartman is a psychic so I won't make the rude comparison.

 

On to important things, Despo I have to agree with you that I probably read too much into the scene. I still consider all information viable unless proven otherwise but that one probably isn't valid. Also, I don't use big words .

 

I still intend to vote LZM tomorrow but this is becoming quite the lucritive night. IMO this is how the game should always be played, night should be just as useful for scumhunting as day. ALSO!!! If we have three people hunting fain and other investigative roles potentially.. or at least many other power roles.. we may not have a cop. I think the option is worth noting considering the claim at hand and how it was presented. Either way, dear god THIS PERSON :perrin: needs to stay hidden. When is day??

 

1 mention of 3rd party is not majorly pushing mechanic and third party talk. also, the only dead "confirmed townie" at this point in the game that I had gone after was Lenlo, because I did not trust him, but I was hardly the only one

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No he doesn't. The fourth best candidate (after the three who revealed which were not getting lynched) was peace. It would have saved us a day.

 

Even you did not think that at the time, he was not on your list durring the day 1 end of day talk, when you knew he wasn't getting lynched at that point so if you thought he should have been lynched why wasn't he still on your list?

 

Thanks Despo.

 

Not sure what to make of that role.

 

Anyone ever played with it and can explain the mechanics to me?

 

For reasons I do not intend to divulge I will state that I know of it. It can be a completely erratic gamechanger or practically useless but having it gone may remove some WIFOM. If I am not mistaken the main point of it was to help Mat or some extremities group in the game. Ie: the role could have used an ability which took us back from day 5 to day 2. Or it could have given the mafia an extra kill. Or made everyone hated town for the next day. Things that may or may not be useful to certain individuals etc, but the user wouldn't be fully aware of which power they were unleashing on the game for balance purposes.

 

Still say you are Lanfear, soft hinting your abilities so that people might mistake you for Perrin.

 

I got it. Rand, the mafia probably isn't dumb. If this many f us got it then one of them has and they know. You may as well reveal buddy. I am more suspicious of LZM and EP for their completely forced pushing and psuedocasing than Nol for not believing the claim.

 

What force pushing and pseudo casing? Rand started out really horribly with those comments, as I said he shouldn't have said anything.

 

Oh hey you never answered this.

 

I have to say darthe is pinging me the most. His aggressive casing at night didnt help.

 

vote darthe

 

This is OMGUS either meant to draw in votes or taunt. Combined with the self vote which I don't recall being unvoted, this could be indication of a bomb?

 

Now you have set yourself up a reason to unvote if his train picks up. Not subtle enough.

 

No I am talking about Darthe sewing the seed to be able to unvote you without getting more suspicion pointed at him.

 

Defending and linking. (still don't like the term but if the shoe fits)

 

Calling LZM your mafia team mate is defending him? Okay...

 

You poor depraved soul. I have a recommendation for you. Why don't you take your blinders off so that you can actually scum hunt, stop wasting my time, and become useful for once in a game as more than a meatshield?

 

@ALL I am tired of replying to EP and his "casings" and so I will not be doing so anymore. That is all.

 

 

This part is potentially more important. I made my thoughts known during N1 of the game. Just this morning I noticed something, a trend if you will. The only three people that consider me scummy are EP, LZM, and Kae. Three people I had on my scummy list. I would not make much mention of it except that these three continue to beat a dead horse. Call it what you will, I find it to be more than coincidence. Disappointingly obvious though. It is likely that only two of the three are mafia and the other is simply misguided nonetheless.

 

Scumhunting complied with any more requests? Oh you're not responding to my cases? Guess that means I can get a snack.

[Gabriel Kross]

One thing, I forgot to mention darthe did correct himself on the N1 N2 thing but still.

[Darthe]

I feel so popular :). Look at you three! EP, did you manage to quote my every word in this game? That is quite impressive I must say.

[Gabriel Kross]

Actually no I left about 10-15 posts out.

[Gabriel Kross]

I do however recomend you read it, I have some pretty hard facts in there afainst you.

[Darthe]

Damn, I messed up and talked to him! I can't manage to defend myself against such hard evidence!

[Gabriel Kross]

you say that jokingly but I do believe there is a bit of truth behind it. You guys may lynch this mafioso turkey now.

[RandA lThor]

OK, Darthe is definitely off his meta, that combined with EP's WoT and Darthe's heavy use of sarcasm without actually saying anything useful makes me extremely suspicious.

 

vote Darthe

[Darthe]

Explain what useful things I would say? There is no real case, only a pile of simple idiocy. The cases presented assume me mafia with the basis that I disagree with the foolishness of another player and do not intend to listen to people that I think scum. That's logical fallacy

[Nolder]

I was caught in the emotion

I'm thinking there's many roles here, we can assume third party too, by my knowledge of advanced games, this is beyond simple

why should I be logical?

 

 

All of these posts make little sense, and def don't do a great job of defending his actions

 

Did Graendal just vote Lenlo after he claimed Mat Cauthon? GF are you counter claiming Mat?

 

UNVOTE VOTE GRAENDALS FAVOURITE.

why should I be logical?

 

Jester of some kind?

 

Anyone know of a character that would be considered a Jester in The Great Hunt?

 

These two posts really make me think Peace and GF are scum together. First Peace votes GF, who was def starting to be all over the place, yet kind of gives him an out with the whole Mat CC thing.

 

The 2nd post frankly kind of pisses me off. I really don't like it when people bring up Jester so early in a game, or even at all. As far as I know, we've pretty much never seen the type of Jester role that ends the game if it gets lynched, so even if someone is Jester, there really shouldn't be any hesitation to lynch them to remove the wifom. So why bring it up at all? Cause it's an easy way for a mafia teammate to try and provide justification for their teammate's erratic behavior, and makes people suddenly more wary of lynching that person.

 

Peace, if GF flips scum, I'm coming after you next.

 

Vote GF

I'm pretty sure GF is town so all the pushing on him looks bad to me

Also more distancing from Peace

[Nolder]

Okay, I think I'm going to have to go back and case Des tomorrow--he constantly hints at people being the Forsaken, which is not what I'd say the game implies. The game implies more of a hunt for the horn, so I could see Lanfear in it, but that's it.

Yet on multiple occasions he hints at Forsaken. I think he knows something.

 

Check out the flavor scene from the beginning again:

 

The unthinkable has happened. Fades and Trollocs attacked Lord Agelmar's keep in Fal Dara. Darkfriends walked the halls. Padan Fain escaped with the dagger from Shadar Logoth, and the Horn of Valere was stolen.

 

The Horn and the dagger must be retrieved. Without the dagger, Mat will die. And the Horn of Valere, in the hands of the Shadow, could be catastrophic.

 

Meanwhile, rumors are whispered everywhere of ships coming from the west, ships bearing the strange invaders. Some say they are the descendants of Artur Hawkwing come back.

 

Darkfriends are hidden everywhere. Among the Aes Sedai. Among the invaders. Among Lord Agelmar's solders and people. And, even worse, the Forsaken are breaking free of their prison...

 

Underlined: Notice how it's plural? Now I don't think it's a ton of Forsaken, as I said before I think it's prob just Ishamael and Lanfear, as both have a prominent role in TGH. And honestly the way I see it, they represent the bigger threat to town. Mafia are generally easier to find as tthey have teammates that you can try and find connections to, whether it's defending or bussing a teammate, you'll almost always see connections if you look close enough. I'd imagine that the Forsaken prob have some kind of Survivor/SK type role, and will be much harder to find as they'll be happy to lurk or fade into the background. Plus, if my theory is correct, and we have two competing mafia teams, they might do a little work at taking each other out, making it that much easier for us.

Been talking about the Forsaken since the beginning of the game which is odd since they're not confirmed

[Nolder]

Then why bring up the Jester possibility at all? Couldn't you have just wondered that to yourself? GF's play the last few pages has been somewhat bizarre, I'll give you that, but I think throwing out the Jester card is just as distracting as having a Jester in the first place

 

And btw, that's not the only reason I think you're scum. That comment you made about my meta still doesn't sit right with me, as there really is no good response to that kind of comment

 

Concerning the Jester part, maybe you are right. Consider it a case of thinking out loud. Sometimes I need to type/say something to ponder it better.

 

On your meta concern. I find it pretty natural for you to respond the way you did. Shin's response to it was interesting though.

 

TBH, EP's meta is striking me more than yours. I haven't seen any crazy game play from him yet (no emo, no wild theories). But he's been hit pretty hard about it and I'm still wondering if he is curbing his play because of pressure or because he is scum and doesn't want to be lynched early.

buddying back up so neither of them becomes the focus of a lynch

[Nolder]

Hmmm.

 

I can get on the gf lynch. The willy nilly voting and the basic refusal to answer direct questions.

 

unvote vote GF

 

But i find it a little off that shinori basically disappeared after GF took some heat.

 

Team mate taking heat, working toward a no lynch?

 

I know i said earlier that i didn't get a scum read from shinori but this stinks. As soon as shinoris train started rolling gf started going crazy.

 

Makes me think gf is pulling heat off shinori and they are working toward a no lynch.

 

I was actually kinda thinking this myself. Plus the way GF came out afterwards acting all abashed and embarrassed for being in the forefront seemed kinda staged.

more pushing on GF even though it's night time

trying to set up his lynch

Didn't Des say he accepted the roleclaim? Why put further discredit on the cop if he was going to accept it?

 

I'm gonna grab some breakfast and get back to this later

[Gabriel Kross]

Explain what useful things I would say? There is no real case, only a pile of simple idiocy. The cases presented assume me mafia with the basis that I disagree with the foolishness of another player and do not intend to listen to people that I think scum. That's logical fallacy

 

Actually it's a solid case pointing out all the errors you made so far, you have contradicted yourself on several occasions. I told you to read it I guess that's your bad again.

[Alanna]

The day wears on, and the search for the Horn grows more desperate, more frantic. Things are tense and dangerous in Falme. One man waits anxiously near the docks, wondering, waiting, worrying. He rubs absently at a nick on his arm. Then, suddenly, agonizing pain steals over him. He goes stiff, like a board, and falls over, hollering and kicking at the ground. It only lasts a few seconds...then he grows still.

 

(Turin) Bayle Domon, 2-shot Commuter, has been killed.

 

Day 3 continues. With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

[Alanna]

Vote Count

(3) Darthe - EP, LZM, Rand

(1) dice - GF

(1) Des - Nolder

(1) Sakaea - Despo

(1) LZM - notbob

 

Not Voting (9): JLM, BG, Niel, Sakaea, dice, Shinori, Darthe, lolguy, Nightstrike

 

Deadline is Monday, 9/24 @ 2PM CST.

[Nolder]

The day wears on, and the search for the Horn grows more desperate, more frantic. Things are tense and dangerous in Falme. One man waits anxiously near the docks, wondering, waiting, worrying. He rubs absently at a nick on his arm. Then, suddenly, agonizing pain steals over him. He goes stiff, like a board, and falls over, hollering and kicking at the ground. It only lasts a few seconds...then he grows still.

 

(Turin) Bayle Domon, 2-shot Commuter, has been killed.

 

Day 3 continues. With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

:(

[Nolder]

Are you Fain Des? Is that why you're so obsessed with the Forsaken? It would make sense since you wouldn't actually be aligned with them...

[Turin Turambar]

go *cough* town

 

*dies*

 

thanks for letting me in the game alanna

[Darthe]

This day doesn't seem to be moving much. Where are the rest of you?

[Nolder]

Well Niel subbed out of blackhoofs game so maybe he just forgot to sub out here?

[Nightstrike]

I've got no idea who's "off their meta". Several of you seem to think some are, so I may have to consider it. I think I must reconsider other things as well. I thought Darthe was likely a townie, but several vote him right now. I thought EP, LZM and Turin could be scummies. I was wrong about Turin, so I might be wrong about EP as well. EP and Turin argued about the same things at the same time. Maybe they were both right?. Darthe was voting LZM, and if Darthe's really a scummie (?), then maybe I shouldn't vote LZM. I don't know how naive I am saying that scum don't vote scum, but from what I have experienced they generally don't do it very often.

[LedZepMan]

Its called bussing. And they do do it

[Nolder]

A new day dawns, the sun shining down upon Almoth Plain and Toman Head. Not far outside of Falme, two women lie sleeping. But only one wakes. Horrified, she finds her companion dead, without a mark on her.

 

(Sorcha) Nynaeve al’Meara, Town Healer, has been killed.

 

Elsewhere, a party searching for the Horn waits near Falme as well. During the night, a small group of them ventured into the city in search of the Horn. But misfortune falls upon this group. In an attempt to secure the Horn, one is killed by a sword through his chest. Another falls prey to the actions of a captured damane.

 

(Lenlo) Mat Cauthon, Town Searcher, has been killed.

 

Day 2 begins. Your deadline is Tuesday, September 18 @ 4PM CST.

 

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

 

So at the very least we know for sure now there are multiple antitown elements, but frankly I would have been more surprised if there had been only one death. I strongly suspect that the first death, Sorcha, was the target of our Forsaken, but I'll cover that a bit more later. The second death seems pretty obviously due to the hands of the Seanchan.

 

What worries me is that Fain or his darkfriends aren't mentioned in this scene. I have a couple of theories on this: One is that his team (and honestly it might just be him) could be a cult, since the nature of Mashadar could possibly fit the role of recruiter. I kinda doubt this tho. Another theory of mine is that the darkfriends might not even have a NK. After all, it's the Great Hunt, and the whole storyline of TGH involves Rand and friends trying to catch up to Fain and retrieve the Horn and Dagger. So they might just have to survive to endgame, or perhaps reach falme or something. There might even be a timer on them. After all, we saw Lenlo die as Mat, and he was supposed to find Fain in 4 days or else. John claims he is looking for Fain as well. Since this game seems to have a "chase" element to it, I'm liking this theory a lot. This makes finding Fain a priority.

Still on about the Forsaken and now Fain

To me this indicates inside information and worry

If you're scum why not let the town figure out who your enemy scum are for you?

They're usually the ones you want to take out ASAP

 

One of the two (Sorcha) was killed in the sleep without a mark. Sorcha was Nynaeve. The killer is probably a dreamwalker or maybe Slayer. That idea probably won't help us much anyway.

 

I think we've probably made a couple of mistakes the first day. Too late doing anything about it now. I don't know how much info there is from day one. Day two seems little different from day one. I think GF probably told the truth. Gut feeling is pretty much all I have atm, and it doesn't tell me much. I have a townie feeling about peacesells, but ... I'll have to think some more. Sorry I'm not of much help.

 

To the first paragraph: Good catch. Although I highly doubt Slayer is in this game, I'm not sure exactly when he was first introduced, but he didn't really become a big player till after this book.

 

To the second paragraph: not liking that you have a town read on Peace when I still have a scum read on him, although others are setting off my pings more lately...

Reminding everyone that he has Peace pegged as scum but of course there are better target right?

 

One of the two (Sorcha) was killed in the sleep without a mark. Sorcha was Nynaeve. The killer is probably a dreamwalker or maybe Slayer. That idea probably won't help us much anyway.

 

I think we've probably made a couple of mistakes the first day. Too late doing anything about it now. I don't know how much info there is from day one. Day two seems little different from day one. I think GF probably told the truth. Gut feeling is pretty much all I have atm, and it doesn't tell me much. I have a townie feeling about peacesells, but ... I'll have to think some more. Sorry I'm not of much help.

Your theory is way wrong, thigs done in the dream reflect upon the body in the waking world so a Dreamwalker/Slayer would have left marks. It was indicative that it was done with the power.

 

You're way wrong EP. A Dreamwalker as talented as Lanfear or Ishamael could easily kill someone in the dreamworld without leaving marks on the body. Destroy the mind, and the body will not wake. And most ways of killing with the OP would leave marks as well. I'd say it's pretty obvious that Sorcha was killed by one of the Forsaken.

For real no one else finds it weird that while most of us are generally talking about "the mafia" or "the scum" and TRYING to figure out who they MIGHT be Des seemed to KNOW from the very beginning that the Forsaken are in the game and has been pushing it since day 1? Just me huh?

 

Oh and Turin of course :(

[Nolder]

Ok peace this is why I dont trust Rand or you...

Unvote

 

But he said "I'd say the setup hints more at symps than multiple mafia teams." ... What would you say he's hinting at?

 

That Mr Snow is telling the mafia he is a symp.

 

Nice catch Rand.

 

blatant teamwork with Rand. You make him look more town by saying he is scum hunting and also set yourself up as a scum hunter

 

I was thinking that if he was a symp, using the word symp at all was an attempt to hint towards being a symp to the mafia. Symp knows mafia, but mafia doesn't know symp, so if the symp was able to hint at the mafia, they might try to recruit him and get another player. So that being said, I think John Snow is a symp. vote John Snow

I agree. Vote John Snow

 

those two speak for themselves really

 

Not really, symps are more like people who you are trying to find, but can't. This just sets up the theme that there will be mafia hidden in the game. not necessarily symps.

 

And DFs know who eachother are, unlike symps. I see what you're saying.

 

I think it's a new role for you and you messed up trying to hint at it too obviously. Now you are trying to sound like.."oh shucks, I get what you are saying."

 

What you two didnt realise is that John isnt a new player. He far out ranks rand and im pretty sure he does you too

 

So Dap points out a number of circumstances where Peace agrees with Rand, and believes they must be connected because of this. Peace is a much better mafia player tho, than to link himself so obviously with a teammate that early in a game. I'd say it's much more likely that Peace was budding up to Rand to make Rand look worse if Peace ever got lynched and flipped scum.

Do tell