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Hey, right here! Freshers week is now over.. so sad. But I'm going to be on way more often I think. Last week has just been craze. Thanks for not properly kicking me :p

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Despothera is scum and Rand is his team mate. Desp has been laying a pattern to take me out since the beginning of the game. He has also been protecting Rand.

 

We will start here on his Rand support/defence. Keep in mind these are clues that start small and build to a bigger case. He's been subtle in this.

 

Still comfortable with my vote on John. Tbh, I didn't want to point out the symp thing, cause I was hoping mafia might notice first and try coming to his defense, but meh someone else already pointed that out, so I doubt mafia will come to his aid at this point.

 

It was Rand who pointed it out.

 

Here's where I point out that Desp is off he meta and his response.

 

Oh and mr Des is playing a bit off his meta. He seems awfully pro town and I always get a scum read on him.

 

You trying something new Des?

 

lol this post is hilarious. How am I supposed to respond to this? Want me to play scummier for you, hehe? You're basically saying I seem more town than usual, which is pretty much the "too townie" technique and one I find to be really weak to try and use. As I said, of course scum are gonna come out trying to look protown just as much as as townies will, so the too town argument is about as null of a tell as it gets.

 

Right, typical players do, You don't. When town you don't care how you look. You've given town hints, you discussed how town should play this game. All signs of overcompensating scum. You are off your meta and that's why I pointed it out. I left an open ended question for you to see how you'd respond. I wanted to see if you changed your game tactics once you see that it's been recognized. And you have.

 

And honestly, I think most honestly just struggle to get good reads on me. Wombat for instance, pretty much always thinks I'm scum, and has never once been right, yet he is a very skilled mafia player. A lot of other players often find me scummy and are wrong.

 

Thanks for making my point. When town your play comes off as scummy. I've not seen one scummy post from you up to this point. You are like that card player that pushes all in too quick.

 

Anyways, the point is your post kinda stinks. I pretty much always come out trying to show myself as protown, whether I'm mafia or not, but also try to not look too townie cause I have a better chance at avoiding NK's if I have a little bit of dirt on me. You trying to say I look more town than usual, when it's still early in the game, tells me you might be trying to get mafia to target me.

 

More evidence. In this game you haven't been scummy at all cause you don't want to by lynched. You aren't concerned about night kills.

 

Are you one of the Forsaken loose, trying to stir trouble and take out town leaders?

 

Despo also seems to have too solid of a grasp on the game mechanics. He lays a foundation for multiple scum teams here. How does he know this?

 

I don't think the Shinori train built all that fast tbh, and really the only person that stood out to me that voted him recently was wot13, for not giving any reasons but just throwing on a vote wombat style. The thing is, if I'm right, and there's multiple anti town teams as well as third party forsaken, I think we're gonna see some interesting voting dynamics this game. Add to that the normal traps, gambits and buses, and overall I think it will be a little bit more of a challenge to analyze voting patterns

 

Here he pushes for a no lynch, yet doesn't vote it initially only barely squeeking in before the deadline. Who does a no lynch favor? And who'd we lose last night?

 

I'm honestly thinking No Lynch might be our best option right now, especially considering John might be ending night early, which really would kind of be like extending Day 1 a lot further. Plus, this close to the deadline I don't want to run the risk of speedlynching a power role, considering out of all the roles claimed so far we haven't seen anything like cop or healer.

 

 

Here is where he starts to throw my name around and attaches my name to GF in an unusual way. He's false case building here. Keep in mind he is doing this for a later major play. Does anyone here still think GF is scum? So is me asking if he was counter claiming there scummy?

 

Did Graendal just vote Lenlo after he claimed Mat Cauthon? GF are you counter claiming Mat?

 

UNVOTE VOTE GRAENDALS FAVOURITE.

why should I be logical?

 

Jester of some kind?

 

Anyone know of a character that would be considered a Jester in The Great Hunt?

 

These two posts really make me think Peace and GF are scum together. First Peace votes GF, who was def starting to be all over the place, yet kind of gives him an out with the whole Mat CC thing.

 

The 2nd post frankly kind of pisses me off. I really don't like it when people bring up Jester so early in a game, or even at all. As far as I know, we've pretty much never seen the type of Jester role that ends the game if it gets lynched, so even if someone is Jester, there really shouldn't be any hesitation to lynch them to remove the wifom. So why bring it up at all? Cause it's an easy way for a mafia teammate to try and provide justification for their teammate's erratic behavior, and makes people suddenly more wary of lynching that person.

 

Peace, if GF flips scum, I'm coming after you next.

 

Vote GF

 

I'm not done. This is just getting to big for one post. I'll continue in a bit.

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Now John has been talking about ending night early. Guess who doesn't want that to happen? Despo. Isn't the 2nd bold interesting considering the outcome of night 1?

 

Speaking of which, I'm actually gonna side with the argument against ending night early. John, at most it buys you one more day, in theory, right? And possibly prevents any NK's from happening. But it also prevents viewings, and other positive NA's that might help us out. Plus, NK's aren't necessarily that bad to deal with, as they limit the pool we have to find scum and such in, and if I'm right about there being multiple anti-town elements, there's also a chance they take each other out instead of town.

 

Here is more subtle support for Rand the player.

 

I'm not going to tell you guys what I decide so as to keep maf in the dark.

I think us coordinating our search will help counter him losing one night--I don't foresee me living until N4 if I holster anyways.

But if I die because I holstered, I blame you.

 

What about blaming yourself for making the comment about symps, then claiming Rand?

 

 

Here he is still talking to John Snow. Already distancing himself from a possible NK of John Snow. I'm sure he realized how bad this would look and it is why John lived.

 

I said your reaction to pressure was townie, not the original symp comment. Either way I was just messing, it would be kind of messed up to get blamed for you getting NK'ed just cause I'm saying it might not be a good idea to end night early tonight. After all, a few other people have repeated the same sentiments

 

Interesting in the bold here. He knows it means nothing but he uses my voting late against me. I'm working graveyards, stated I had just woke up. Very manipulative straw man building technique.

 

Blast. I had forgotten the deadline was already pretty much upon us. Who were the last couple of votes? They might have known it wouldn't count and thus would be able to look like they were going along with everyone else?

 

Actually, meh on that. We knew we had a freebie, so it's basically the same kind of thing I guess.

 

Stating the obvious here..but the interesting part is him stating we may have found one of the Forsaken. The funny thing is he doesn't identify who he thinks this is. Even in his next WOT

 

Short summary tho, really awful night for town, but at the same time very informative. And I think we might have found one of our Forsaken.

 

More protection of Rand here.

 

So Dap points out a number of circumstances where Peace agrees with Rand, and believes they must be connected because of this. Peace is a much better mafia player tho, than to link himself so obviously with a teammate that early in a game. I'd say it's much more likely that Peace was budding up to Rand to make Rand look worse if Peace ever got lynched and flipped scum.

 

And more defense of Rand

 

I didn't think your case on Rand was that strong tbh. Your case on Peace was a lot better, but I might just be saying that cause he's already setting off my scumdar. Your vote on BG was weak.

 

Ok, one more post after this to gather his last trumped up case on me.

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you don't find it strange he hasn't posted since day 2 started? Yet is posting several other places on DM? I'm not saying it's proof. I'm saying its strange.

 

Why are you defending him?

 

Okay I have seen enough pings from Peace at this point that I really feel there is no option but to move my vote to him

 

Unvote, Vote Peace

 

Defence of Rand is just getting blantant here. Rand has posted on several other thread on this board yet not here? That's not unusual to him? He can't even acknowledge the fact?

 

 

 

I still think LZM is prob a Forsaken SK or something, but the way he's leaving his vote on himself makes me think something else might be afoot. Plus, the Forsaken present as big of a threat to the mafia teams as they do to town, so maybe they'll take him out for us tonight.

 

The fact is, Peace has been pinging me all game and at this point it can't just be coincidence. He brought up my meta in a strange way, has been trying to buddy up to several people, and now the way he's trying to add more suspicion to Rand, especially the way he's doing it, just seems uber scummy to me.

 

Pinging all game, more like you've been laying the ground work for a strawman case on me all game.

 

lol, are you drinking?

Im not sure. I feel like this is a gian moral issue

Could jyst be me ruffled from somethinng stupid someone did in RL today that has made me angry as shir

ok, you are drinking.

 

Not gonna lie, this made me laugh

 

:laugh:

 

Sorry my internet went down today so couldn't get on.

 

After the initial vote on LZM by Desp, LZM then votes himself, which then is followed by Sinori and Peace. I don't like the jump on the easy target by Shinori and Peace, I understand that LZM is currently not helping to scum hunt, but a lazy vote is a lazy vote.

 

As I said before, with multiple anti-town elements, there are going to be some strange voting dynamics. Pay attention EP.

 

Again, the only players who would know there are multiple teams are scum. He stated multiple teams in an earlier post I quoted. And again below in bold

 

In other words, just cause it looks like a lynch is building fast, it doesn't mean the person being voted is town. The people hopping on the lynch could easily be from a separate mafia team or something, or trying to bus. This post seems to be faintly trying to defend LZM. Could the Forsaken be teamed up as well? Which one are you, EP- Lanfear or Ishamael?

But he said "I'd say the setup hints more at symps than multiple mafia teams." ... What would you say he's hinting at?

 

That Mr Snow is telling the mafia he is a symp.

 

Nice catch Rand.

I was thinking that if he was a symp, using the word symp at all was an attempt to hint towards being a symp to the mafia. Symp knows mafia, but mafia doesn't know symp, so if the symp was able to hint at the mafia, they might try to recruit him and get another player. So that being said, I think John Snow is a symp. vote John Snow

I agree. Vote John Snow

 

Ping. Not only does he buddy up to Rand, but he waits till Rand votes for John to place his own vote. If Peace agreed with Rand's reasoning initially, why not vote him at first? Scum never like to look like they're leading a lynch.

 

Accuses me of buddying Rand from very early in the game yet has defended Rand the whole time without acknowledging Rands lurking.

 

Second bold, um didn't you do this on the No lynch vote? You suggested it without actually starting the vote? Hmm..head scratcher.

 

Yeah I'm thinking Mr Snow is scum.

 

Oh and mr Des is playing a bit off his meta. He seems awfully pro town and I always get a scum read on him.

 

You trying something new Des?

 

I've already brought up why I thought this was a scummy post, I just wanted to quote it for reference again.

 

It's not scummy cause he says it is. Plus, he was playing out of his town meta.

 

Did Graendal just vote Lenlo after he claimed Mat Cauthon? GF are you counter claiming Mat?

 

UNVOTE VOTE GRAENDALS FAVOURITE.

 

Leading statement imo. At first I thought he might be trying to set up a way to clear GF as a teammate, now in retrospect I think he was just trying to make GF look worse

 

You made much more of a case on GF than I did. The vote was scummy and I called GF out for it. More straw man techniques

 

why should I be logical?

 

Jester of some kind?

 

Anyone know of a character that would be considered a Jester in The Great Hunt?

 

This was another ping, I really don't like people throwing out the Jester suggestion.

The fact is, jestors happen. Just another flimsie excuse to call me scummy. More Strawman crappage.

 

As far as Forsaken hunting, I think an effective method would be to look at players that are normally more active but are more lurky.

 

Should have been "normally more active but are lurky this game"

 

I agree with this. I understood your intent.

Then why bring up the Jester possibility at all? Couldn't you have just wondered that to yourself? GF's play the last few pages has been somewhat bizarre, I'll give you that, but I think throwing out the Jester card is just as distracting as having a Jester in the first place

 

And btw, that's not the only reason I think you're scum. That comment you made about my meta still doesn't sit right with me, as there really is no good response to that kind of comment

 

Concerning the Jester part, maybe you are right. Consider it a case of thinking out loud. Sometimes I need to type/say something to ponder it better.

 

On your meta concern. I find it pretty natural for you to respond the way you did. Shin's response to it was interesting though.

 

TBH, EP's meta is striking me more than yours. I haven't seen any crazy game play from him yet (no emo, no wild theories). But he's been hit pretty hard about it and I'm still wondering if he is curbing his play because of pressure or because he is scum and doesn't want to be lynched early.

 

After initially fos'ing me for meta, then coming at me for a few posts, he suddenly starts buddying up to me. Ping.

 

I have definitely not buddied you. More strawman

 

Just got back from class.

 

Unvote

 

Vote No lynch

Just woke up. This should amje NL L - 1.

 

vote no lynch

 

Just wanted to note this, I said that the last two people who voted after the deadline might deserve looking at, and it just so happens to be people I had scum reads on (strong in Peace's case, faint in NotBob's). Peace already admitted he was one of them after I had first suggested the idea, but still it should be noted. Mafia would want us to lose our freebie so that they can continue to generate confusion and hope that we have to pile on to a late lynch at the end.

 

I've stated several times I'm working graveyards this week. I woke up and voted immediately once I read through the thread. You yourself have already stated it didn't even matter. So, why are you trying to make mole hills into mountains?

 

Now Kae pointed out that I was the last vote that counted, but incidentally if I WAS mafia, I could have easily waited one more minute to make my post (I submitted mine at 4:00 exactly after waking up that afternoon, didn't realize how close I was cutting it lol). Either way I just want to acknowledge that this isn't necessarily the most damning piece of evidence, since it's possible that they just woke up late or something.

 

Has Rand posted day 2 yet? Rand are you hiding? I've seen you all over DM today.

I dont think so. Where does he usually hang out?

 

usually he's a non-stop poster in games. Strange he hasn't posted in here for 2 days.

his case on rand is looking stronger considering he isn't posting in this thread. He's been posting in the Jetnation thread most of the night.

you don't find it strange he hasn't posted since day 2 started? Yet is posting several other places on DM? I'm not saying it's proof. I'm saying its strange.

 

Why are you defending him?

 

After initially buddying up to Rand (and Dap pointed out a bunch of examples of this already), Peace starts fos'ing Rand for inactivity, and frankly is laying it on THICK.

 

Despo, you still haven't answered me on Rand's absence? What gives?

 

Pretty sure my scumdar is right on target this time. Let's lynch this mafioso.

 

Final thoughts.

 

Despo has taken many things I've said and called them scummy. This all started after I questioned his meta. I bold this because it's important to see that he sees me as a threat.

 

His biggest case on me is that I've somehow buddied up to Rand to make him look like scum? How strange that he's been doing exactly what he's accused me of.

 

I'm pretty sure Rand and Despo are scummates. Rand isn't posting cause Despo has told him not to.

 

UNVOTE VOTE DESPO.

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The search for the Horn continues. The small party in Falme moves on, even though they've lost some of their own. Suddenly, one member of the party screams and siezes up. He collapses to the ground as a blackness spreads across his twitching, flailing body. Finally, gagging on his own tongue, he gasps his last breath, and dies.

 

(John Snow) Rand al'Thor, Town Searcher and Watchmaker, has been killed.

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Vote Count:

LZM (1) - LZM

Peace (8) - Despo, Darthe, Dice, Player, Shinori, notbob, EP, BG

Despo (1) - Peace

 

Not Voting (9) : JLM, wot, Tink, GF, Niel, Sakaea, Nightstrike, Rand, lolguy

 

Day 2 continues. Your deadline is Tuesday, 9/18 @ 4PM CST.

 

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

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Damn. So much for my theory about Fain and friends not having a kill. Seems pretty obvious that the Ruby Dagger did Mr. Snow in. Either Fain has a DK or his dagger acts as a poisoner, and I'd bet it's the latter

 

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Response to Peace:

 

LOL of course you're gonna do everything you can to case me and try to make me look bad after I lead a lynch on you Peace. Funny you wait until I actually vote you, even though I've said you seemed scummy to me for a long time now. Good timing lawls

 

Gonna just respond to things I feel the need to respond to, not gonna break each one of those multiquote posts down cause it will take too long and most wouldn't read my responses anyways

 

1. Concerning my meta: First of all I want to say that I really don't think we've even played enough games together for you to really qualify as a good judge of my meta. Second, you're completely wrong about me "not caring how I look as town". A noob mafia player doesn't care if they ping as town, an experienced one knows that the more you ping as a townie, the greater the chances are that you distract town from finding true scum.

 

So yes, I DO care how I look as town.

 

And no, I haven't really changed my playstyle at all. I'm pretty sure you can go back and examine past games, I generally pretty much always act like I have this game. Others have even agreed with this as well. As town, I always try to lead everyone to what I see as the best ways of finding scum. As mafia, I always try to lead everyone to what seems like a good way of finding scum. Either way I always play out in the forefront

 

Most importantly tho, your comment about my meta was utterly ridiculous. You said I seemed townie, which goes against my usual meta of looking scummy. You're basically presenting the "too town" angle, and as I already said this is an incredibly weak tool to use in finding scum. If anything, your comment on my meta seemed a lot more like a trap, designed to try and make me either A) fall back and stop posting as much, or B) try to somehow act scummier to appease you.

 

2. As for defending Rand, here's the thing: the ONLY thing you've really brought up about Rand recently is his inactivity. And it wasn't just mentioning it in passing once or twice, you have spent a good 8-10 posts in the last couple of pages constantly bringing him up, even tho he is not the only inactive player. This, plus the fact that you were buddying up to him earlier in the thread, was just the icing on the cake for me, and prompted me to move my vote on to you.

 

3. Game setup: I already covered this pretty early on. The flavor scene in the OP seemed to hint pretty strongly at multiple anti-town elements. I considered that all of them might be on the same mafia team, but this didn't seem like something that would fit in cannon, and when it comes to WoT most mods try to keep the themes and stories somewhat close to each other.

 

4. Concerning the no lynch: I was trying to catch up, and saw that John had claimed Rand. I was at work and was getting a bit busy again, so I wanted to get in a quick post while I continued catching up. At that time no lynch seemed like the best option for us, but I had noticed that there were some other cases presented, so I wanted to read up on those first. After seeing them, I thought GF was then the best choice.

 

It's also uberscummy to try and use thoughts that I had in a previous day, before reveals and other info, against me out of context today. GF did seem all over the place yesterday, and the post you made where you asked if he was CC'ing Mat seemed like a mafioso trying to give a teammate an easy out. It's a pretty elementary move, you vote your teammate on semi-weak reasoning, then when they respond in kind you remove your vote, and lo and behold others start doing the same. I was just pointing it out as a possibility.

 

5. As for John using his ability or not, I stand by what I said before. If he was going to use his ability, he should have wifomed it instead of first saying openly that he would use it. He also could have made it seem like he had more than a one time use.

 

Either way, there's no WAY I could have known things would go as bad for town as they did last night. Losing the healer hurt bad, but almost every Doc in the world self-protects N1.

 

6. Forsaken: Way to skim there Peace. I ended up casing LZM soon after I made the post saying I believe we had found a Forsaken, and figured he was our best bet for that.

 

Incidentally, while we're on the subject of you fabricating stuff against me, I wasn't talking about Rand the player when responding to John in that quote, Ii was talking about how John claimed Rand the character, which made him a prime target for mafia and third party to try and take out.

 

7. Buddying up to me: Yep, you sure did. You came out and said I was prob right about the Jester thing (you don't strike me as the kind of guy to admit he is wrong that easily), and in the same friggin post said my meta wasn't worrying you as much as EP's, then you asked my opinion on him. Very scummy move there. You felt like you had to backpedal from your weak ass fos on my meta, so you try pulling up a ringer to redirect attention.

 

8. The last two votes: Making a mountain out of a molehill? LOL good try. I even said myself that piece of evidence wasn't all that damning, but it did seem kinda funny to me that the two late voters were you and NotBob, two people that struck me as scummy.

 

Overall your case on me is weak weak. It mostly consists of you tying me to Rand, which only makes me scummy if Rand had already flipped mafia, so gj there. And you continuously try to fos me for not responding to questions about Rand's inactivity. Why should I know why Rand wasn't posting as much? You think I keep tabs on every player in this game at all times? Weak.

 

Plus, you keep blathering about strawman this and that the whole friggin time, hoping that if you say it enough it will make it seem true. I think you ran out of ways to try and justify your scummy behavior while responding to my case, so decided to just word vomit strawman a ton of times to try and bail yourself out.

 

Oh and I'm pretty much 100% certain you're scum at this point. This is an advanced game, so most if not everyone is prob roled, yet you choose not to claim at L-2. Looks like you couldn't come up with a believable enough fake claim in time.

 

Sayonara.

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You still avoid the question about Rand. One huge WOT just to avoid answering a simple question. What do you think about his play and being absent?

 

As far as role claim. I'm Pedron Naill Lord Captain Commander of the Children of Light. And I can have 1 player a night tortured.

 

You've been pretty successful of extracting roles from several players so far.

 

Who are you? Give us your name? I don't need a role.

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