There Goes the Neighborhood (Game Thread) - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN

[Blackhoof]

@Nae: After all this you are trying to throw suspicion on the finder?

 

poor effort, scummy mcscummson, poor effort.

[Basel Gill]

So all the other scum teams, upon death of the leader, revert to a sort of traitor who can be picked up by other scum by recruitment. I said from Mynds death that Iron was scum and no one listened. And we are to somehow believe that he got picked up, not by other scum, but by some wild team of finder and deputy that can work together and basically, thru Iron, get info on the scum by being a "recruitment" to another scum team but actually an informant for the finder/deputy duo? Im sorry if I don't buy it and I also don't see how my FOS was disabled? Seems a bit unbalanced at best.. and that you all are being lead blindly by a fake finder.

 

Nae, I don't think a fake cop would go without a counterclaim for this long. If Darthe is making all this up... why hasn't the real cop come forward to stop town from lynching the wrong people day after day? Serious FoS for throwing suspicion on an uncontested cop. *writes Nae's name on the short list, right under Key*

 

Oh Basel - you've been after me for awhile.

 

But Key, I have the utmost respect for what you have with Ishy.

[Darthe]

Nae is my first choice, Key my second, and AH my third.

[Naeann]

Psst... obvious recruitment going on in a game? That always equals the uncountered finder is just like any other player now. Blindly believing a finder is always on the side of the town thru the whole game is what loses games for towns. I really dont care if you lynch me. People being blind in games sucks.

[Darthe]

Correction, you meant to say *obvious recruitment of scum symps born from disbanded mafia gangs* but I am sure that was just a slip of the tongue. =p

[Lenlo]

Unless of course its not limited to that. Dont shrug off things that are still possible. After all, none of us expected there to be 5 scum teams now did we? Only way you would know you could only recruit symps is 1) Boyo told you or 2) Your in one of the QTs. So Darthe, did Boyo tell you this information?

[Blackhoof]

recruitment of townies? when when there are already half the game as scum? i dont buy it.

[Darthe]

Bingo BH. Lenlo, there are only 9 town in the entire game. Two were lovers, two were a mason team, and one is doc. We know those already. So unless you are saying that a team of three scum could have converted four others and won the game before it began I don't buy it at all.

[keyholder21]

Nae is my first choice, Key my second, and AH my third.

 

Why am I your second?

[keyholder21]

Correction, you meant to say *obvious recruitment of scum symps born from disbanded mafia gangs* but I am sure that was just a slip of the tongue. =p

Unless of course its not limited to that. Dont shrug off things that are still possible. After all, none of us expected there to be 5 scum teams now did we? Only way you would know you could only recruit symps is 1) Boyo told you or 2) Your in one of the QTs. So Darthe, did Boyo tell you this information?

 

The two of you are saying the same thing. What makes you think that those disbanded people are now scum symps? Couldn't they just be vanilla townies? Iron's coroner report said that he was town, I know his case is different with Mynd lover and all that, but why couldn't the rest of them just switch to town like him?

[Darthe]

It would be a game balance issue, unless the rest of you that are town aren't vanilla? I think it's fair to assume that you can't have 19 scum in a game of 24 and that there are fair bits of reasoning behind ex scum being more likely to be flippable. Also, you're the second because you have pinged a bit more through the game then AH in general. The town seemed to think so two days ago at least. And almost every unknown left is scum so it is far more likely.

[keyholder21]

Why would it be a game balance issue for those that are disbanded to be town? Not sure where you are getting the 19 scum out of 24.

 

Fair bit of reasoning behind it but yet you correct Nae when she said it. Not trying to defend her, but your wording now seems contradictory. I'm just trying to understand the game.

 

Almost every does not mean every.

 

Not sure where I have pinged you - I understand the town thought I pinged some a few days ago and revisit all you want, but we should also be paying attention to what's going on now.

[Darthe]

Well we figure 15 scum and 4 vanilla town, 1 town mason and a sheriff and deputy, a dr, and whatever nolder was. if the vanillas can be changed then there could be 19 scum in total. Of course, the easiest way to know is for me to re-view a player I have before but I would rather keep hunting for gang leaders. If we are lucky, the two people who disaffiliated from their gangs because the leaders died are both town now. It seems to me like them being potential scum conversions is more likely. Also, all the info in the game is relevant. If you are town then you're an asset and if not we need to lynch you. I pick people to view based on who has pinged not only myself but others as it is most logical.

[keyholder21]

I personally think it's quite a jump from saying they are town to saying they are scum symps, but maybe that's just me. But apparently that's the case? Since Len is agreeing with you on that.

 

Whatever nolder was? He was a vig. It said that when he was lynched and still says it on the first page.

 

It's up to you who you view - I wasn't saying anything about that in the slightest.

 

Wouldn't potential scum conversions still mean that they are town? I've seen symp (if that's what they are) used both ways.

 

I know all the info in the game is relevant... I said nothing to the contrary so not sure why you said that.

 

Again, I did not question who you are viewing, so confused why you brought it up.

[Darthe]

Dump could go either way. Couldn't remember the name of Nolders role. You said we should pick people based on what is going on currently. How I pick people is based on more than the moment. For instance, though I still consider Mae the better choice, if I based my viewing or vote on the moment I would pick you simply for the twisting of my meanings and how defensively you are playing. However, I know you have been this defensive all game so it lessens that somewhat and makes you second.

[Darthe]

First word was meant to be symp. Curse you autocorrect!

[keyholder21]

Dump could go either way. Couldn't remember the name of Nolders role. You said we should pick people based on what is going on currently. How I pick people is based on more than the moment. For instance, though I still consider Mae the better choice, if I based my viewing or vote on the moment I would pick you simply for the twisting of my meanings and how defensively you are playing. However, I know you have been this defensive all game so it lessens that somewhat and makes you second.

 

No I didn't. I said feel free to go look back at me, but we ALSO need to be looking at current play. I was just saying what you said after that, only in different words - that everything in the game matters.

 

Why threaten me for asking questions? And how is asking questions being defensive?

[Darthe]

I agree and it isn't a threat, just pointing out what seemed to be flawed logic at the time. I think I misread it as you trying to say that all that mattered was the current situation but you're saying otherwise, correct? I would find it difficult to use the last two days of play meaningfully as we have had very quick lynches

[Kaylee]

Correction, you meant to say *obvious recruitment of scum symps born from disbanded mafia gangs* but I am sure that was just a slip of the tongue. =p

Unless of course its not limited to that. Dont shrug off things that are still possible. After all, none of us expected there to be 5 scum teams now did we? Only way you would know you could only recruit symps is 1) Boyo told you or 2) Your in one of the QTs. So Darthe, did Boyo tell you this information?

 

The two of you are saying the same thing. What makes you think that those disbanded people are now scum symps? Couldn't they just be vanilla townies? Iron's coroner report said that he was town, I know his case is different with Mynd lover and all that, but why couldn't the rest of them just switch to town like him?

I personally think it's quite a jump from saying they are town to saying they are scum symps, but maybe that's just me. But apparently that's the case? Since Len is agreeing with you on that.

 

Whatever nolder was? He was a vig. It said that when he was lynched and still says it on the first page.

 

It's up to you who you view - I wasn't saying anything about that in the slightest.

 

Wouldn't potential scum conversions still mean that they are town? I've seen symp (if that's what they are) used both ways.

 

I know all the info in the game is relevant... I said nothing to the contrary so not sure why you said that.

 

Again, I did not question who you are viewing, so confused why you brought it up.

Just wanted to point something out. I think where he's getting the scum symp from if our Mod here:

 

Player (9) - Songstress, Tina, Kaylee, Darthe, Key, Lenlo, Iron, Kae, Ishy

 

16 Alive, 9 to Lynch

 

That's a lynch.

 

Player - Former Asian Triad turned Mafia Symp has been lynched.

We lynched Piano, a member of a disbanded mafia group. The coroner report says mafia symp. As for them being able to be converted to town I don't know...would helpful to us definately.

[Darthe]

Thanks Kaylee. That helps us a lot

[Kaylee]

That's why I keep a GSoD...good for going back and finding things.

[SBoydW]

The Town awakes to find Kae laying in the street outside her home, beaten to death.

 

Sakaea Former Member of the Dioses De La Noche turned Symp is dead.

 

 

 

IT IS NOW DAY 6

 

http://www.timeandda...in=&sec=&p0=412

[Songstress]

@ Basel:

 

So all the other scum teams, upon death of the leader, revert to a sort of traitor who can be picked up by other scum by recruitment. I said from Mynds death that Iron was scum and no one listened. And we are to somehow believe that he got picked up, not by other scum, but by some wild team of finder and deputy that can work together and basically, thru Iron, get info on the scum by being a "recruitment" to another scum team but actually an informant for the finder/deputy duo? Im sorry if I don't buy it and I also don't see how my FOS was disabled? Seems a bit unbalanced at best.. and that you all are being lead blindly by a fake finder.

 

Nae, I don't think a fake cop would go without a counterclaim for this long. If Darthe is making all this up... why hasn't the real cop come forward to stop town from lynching the wrong people day after day? Serious FoS for throwing suspicion on an uncontested cop. *writes Nae's name on the short list, right under Key*

 

You have a point about the counterclaim issue... Except that I do want to note we haven't been lynching the wrong people day after day. Aside from Day 1, we've been consistently lynching scum. That said, I still don't see any way Darthe would be able to get away with a fake claim here, and even less so now.

 

Ishy: Still strikes me as being overly lurky. However, he's not playing like himself as either town or scum, so I have no idea what to make of him.

 

Len: FOS for this:

It confirms nothing, just means you have a good track record. For all we know, though this is very very unlikely imo, this could be one giant gambit from you.

 

Key: FOS for this:

I personally think it's quite a jump from saying they are town to saying they are scum symps, but maybe that's just me. But apparently that's the case? Since Len is agreeing with you on that.

 

Whatever nolder was? He was a vig. It said that when he was lynched and still says it on the first page.

 

It's up to you who you view - I wasn't saying anything about that in the slightest.

 

Wouldn't potential scum conversions still mean that they are town? I've seen symp (if that's what they are) used both ways.

 

I know all the info in the game is relevant... I said nothing to the contrary so not sure why you said that.

 

Again, I did not question who you are viewing, so confused why you brought it up.

This comes across as very defensive, and much less logical than I normally expect from you.

 

Nae:

So all the other scum teams, upon death of the leader, revert to a sort of traitor who can be picked up by other scum by recruitment. I said from Mynds death that Iron was scum and no one listened. And we are to somehow believe that he got picked up, not by other scum, but by some wild team of finder and deputy that can work together and basically, thru Iron, get info on the scum by being a "recruitment" to another scum team but actually an informant for the finder/deputy duo? Im sorry if I don't buy it and I also don't see how my FOS was disabled? Seems a bit unbalanced at best.. and that you all are being lead blindly by a fake finder.

Psst... obvious recruitment going on in a game? That always equals the uncountered finder is just like any other player now. Blindly believing a finder is always on the side of the town thru the whole game is what loses games for towns. I really dont care if you lynch me. People being blind in games sucks.

 

At this point, the only posts I've seen in this game that were significantly scummier were the ones by Peace and by Razen admitting to being mafia.

 

Assuming that this game started out with 15 mafia and 9 town, I can see no way the town would stand a chance if Darthe was recruitable. This attempt to discredit Darthe reads like Razen's attempt to get the other mafia to band together and lynch him: a last ditch scummy effort to sink the town.

 

Vote Nae

[Basel Gill]

I had been planning to vote Key, up till Nae made a massive scum slip. Vote Nae. Like Tress said, the town would be sunk if Darthe could be recruited. IMO this would be unbalanced beyond belief. So calling for a lynch on an uncontested cop and saying he has been recruited just reeks of scum.

 

And @Tress:

You have a point about the counterclaim issue... Except that I do want to note we haven't been lynching the wrong people day after day. Aside from Day 1, we've been consistently lynching scum. That said, I still don't see any way Darthe would be able to get away with a fake claim here, and even less so now.

 

That may be so. But assuming that Darthe were faking cop, the real cop wouldn't know that we would wind up lynching scum most of the time. Viewings don't equal predicting the future. I think the real cop would have come forward by now for fear of multiple townies being lynched. Or failing that, at least for fear of any one faction gaining a huge advantage.

[Sakaea]

Be curious to see who killed me.

 

And since all my team are dead....I have no idea who to root for, lol. Good game tho, Soy.

 

*dies*