There Goes the Neighborhood (Game Thread) - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN

[John E. Kelley]

Care to decipher the phrase for us non-Spanish speaking folks?

[Ironeyes]

It means "The night is ours," but that's not the problem. It's the language. We have an Italian mob, and an English MC (whatever that means). Which of them would be speaking Spanish?

[Darthe]

No kidding, I have been wondering this myself Marsh and it translates to "The night is ours". It sounds to me like this is a factional war between multiple groups and that perhaps the town has an even number with two other factions. I have tried googling the Kings of Hell MC and can't find anything about them. This sounds more like MS 13 tbh... but that would be in extreme poor taste. I have been wondering if this game is actually a neighborhood gang war.

 

In other matters, you three are seriously discussing lynching the cop to vet a townie... This is bad for the town fourfold. First, it kills A COP which is completely and utterly stupid btw. Secondly, when I flip you will have no idea who is the cop anymore and that is going to leave the town open again. Thirdly, you are losing a second member of the town without being certain of how many factions are against us or what they are. Fourthly, doing this drags out the other cop, making him more vulnerable. I can keep going with this, it may be one of the poorest decisions that I have ever heard of in a game. You are discussing lynching an uncontested cop in a match with an uncertain number of scum in it (we have lynched three already so we can be pretty certain that there are between six and eight, though there may be nonaffiliated out as well)

[Darthe]

ninja'd

[Darthe]

also ishy, I love your siggy but sadface man =( you are so fun to play with.

[Niniel]

So we might have three mafia groups? Didn't someone say two or more groups? I know that I wrote it down. Time to sleep and tomorrow I will get my notes.

[Sakaea]

What are you suggesting, Iron? *is confused*

 

FOS the 3 of you voting for the cop. I say we lynch Limi to check and see if she is vanilla town or not. That way we still have cop and backup cop if he's telling teh truth. Vote Limi

[Myndrunner]

Iron, I think the Kings of Hell could be hispanic not Italian. Besides, I doubt Nyn was killed by her own mob...though she could have been Fredo. What I find interesting is the way each scum's coroner report has revealed. EP is listed only as "Member of the Italian Mob"....

 

Due to further rule violations, EP Member of the Italian Mob had been Modkilled.

 

In Peacesells turn, however, he flips "vanilla scum"....

The town members Flocked to peace's house. They remembered that he was fairly new to town. As they approached the door they heard a rumbling sound from the garage. They opened the garage and saw peace in his MC cut getting ready to ride away. In the garage they also saw stockpikes of weapons and drugs.

 

"GET HIM"

 

"TAKE HIM TO THE MAYOR"

 

The town members swarmed peace and pulled him off his bike and dragged him to the mayor.

 

In the town square the citizens explained what they had found in peace's garage.

 

"Verywell," said the mayor "He will be executed".

 

peace, vanilla scum of the Kings of Hell MC has been executed.

 

It is now night. Night will end in 48 hours

 

Then we are back to Nyn, who flips like EP but not like Peace....

NIGHT IS OVER

 

 

As the night came to an end and the sun rose, town members were out and about beginnning their days. As citizen's passed by Nynaeve's house they noticed the door hanging funny and a couple windows broken. The police were called and Nynaeve was found face down in her living room, one shot to the back of the head. Written on the wall near her body, in her blood, were the words "!La noche es nuestra!"

 

Nynaeve, Member of the Italian Mob has been killed.

 

Probably gonna need clarification on this, but notice how Peace was outed as a "vanilla scum" yet EP and Nyn were not? It is possible that some mafia players may not be vanilla, which could explain why Darthe has that sometime flavor ability. Mynd 1.0 was a vanilla townie and Nolder flipped Town Vigilante, so roles do post in the coroner reports.

 

ON top of this, Peace claims that his gang watched LiMi visit Mynd 1.0 the night he died. When you add this with the prove/disprove Darthe's claim argument, it actually does make more sense to lynch Limi. Darthe may stink at explaining himself, but I think he might just be telling the truth.

 

Also, Deputy....you prolly need to not overreact to people considering your Sheriff's lynch. A lesser mafia player would have missed that, but you aren't among lesser players. There is a good case to lynch Darthe, but right now Limi's makes better sense.

 

unvote

 

vote LImi

[Sakaea]

Wow ninja'd a bunch. 3 mafia groups?

[Myndrunner]

In other matters, you three are seriously discussing lynching the cop to vet a townie... This is bad for the town fourfold. First, it kills A COP which is completely and utterly stupid btw. Secondly, when I flip you will have no idea who is the cop anymore and that is going to leave the town open again. Thirdly, you are losing a second member of the town without being certain of how many factions are against us or what they are. Fourthly, doing this drags out the other cop, making him more vulnerable. I can keep going with this, it may be one of the poorest decisions that I have ever heard of in a game. You are discussing lynching an uncontested cop in a match with an uncertain number of scum in it (we have lynched three already so we can be pretty certain that there are between six and eight, though there may be nonaffiliated out as well)

 

You have to stop and think about it from a vanilla townie's perspective. We don't "know" what you claim to know. For one, the way you have tried to explain yourself has been weak at best. If you are telling the truth, you should have just come right out and explained that you get role reads in addition to alignment ones. This would actually HELP us figure out the mechanics of this game. If I hadn't caught that Peace flipped "vanilla scum" I would still be for lynching you. It wouldn't make any sense to have a cop who can also read roles if all of the mafia are just plain stinking mafia.

 

I understand that you don't want to give away anything to the mafia, but your half-assed explanation was only making you look like you were scrambling rather than actually trying to help us figure things out.

[Myndrunner]

Wow ninja'd a bunch. 3 mafia groups?

 

Unlikely. 24 player game would have at most 8 non-town players. Any more than that, then I would question the balance of the game. A two person mafia team would be far too easy to pick off plus that would mean three mafia kills per night. This game would have been a slaughterhouse and the town wouldn't stand a chance.

 

I'll bet there are only two mafia teams, 3-4 players each.

[Darthe]

Wow ninja'd a bunch. 3 mafia groups?

 

Unlikely. 24 player game would have at most 8 non-town players. Any more than that, then I would question the balance of the game. A two person mafia team would be far too easy to pick off plus that would mean three mafia kills per night. This game would have been a slaughterhouse and the town wouldn't stand a chance.

 

I'll bet there are only two mafia teams, 3-4 players each.

 

I have a theory here, and this is totally just a wild thought, but I am beginning to think that only one scum group gets an NK each night. And as for the role thing, I did not want to reveal that information simply because it is not going to be a constant thing, rather a random one, and so mentioning it would only have caused more grief which i tried to avoid... My apologies to all though for not being more straightforward. Continuing with this game, I feel that lynching limi only gains us time by being a safer lynch than myself (unless she is a godfather) and so wonder who else people are considering at the moment?

[Basel Gill]

Well, earlier today, I had seen some suspicious things about Razen. Now he has been willing to place a third vote on an uncontested cop. Ping. I could understand one or two votes being sent Darthe's way, in light of Limi having visited Mynd the night he died. Suspecting me for voting Peace even though the person he was supporting against me also put a vote on Peace is another ping. And Key made an awfully convenient vote after the hammer when it wouldn't count but would still make her look town. FoS on Razen and Key. Especially Razen; I'm still open to Key being town but baking up the wrong tree with Razen buddying up to her.

 

But what pings me the most today is Limi's visit to Mynd 1.0 when he died. Darthe claims to have viewed her as town. I'm thinking we found ourselves a Godmother here. Vote Limi.

[SBoydW]

Limi (3) - Kae, Mynd, Basel

Darthe (2) - BG, Razen

[Darthe]

It bothers me too, but we are trusting the word of confirmed scum on that as well which makes it difficult. I had forgotten about that though I knew there was some reason I was worried about a godmother... This will take some thought.

[Ironeyes]

It bothers me too, but we are trusting the word of confirmed scum on that as well which makes it difficult. I had forgotten about that though I knew there was some reason I was worried about a godmother... This will take some thought.

 

Ack, you stole my thought.

[Ironeyes]

Iron, I think the Kings of Hell could be hispanic not Italian. Besides, I doubt Nyn was killed by her own mob...though she could have been Fredo.

That makes sense. Puts my mind at rest; I was thinking, "Oh, shoot, we're outnumbered!"

[Myndrunner]

Wow ninja'd a bunch. 3 mafia groups?

 

Unlikely. 24 player game would have at most 8 non-town players. Any more than that, then I would question the balance of the game. A two person mafia team would be far too easy to pick off plus that would mean three mafia kills per night. This game would have been a slaughterhouse and the town wouldn't stand a chance.

 

I'll bet there are only two mafia teams, 3-4 players each.

 

I have a theory here, and this is totally just a wild thought, but I am beginning to think that only one scum group gets an NK each night. And as for the role thing, I did not want to reveal that information simply because it is not going to be a constant thing, rather a random one, and so mentioning it would only have caused more grief which i tried to avoid... My apologies to all though for not being more straightforward. Continuing with this game, I feel that lynching limi only gains us time by being a safer lynch than myself (unless she is a godfather) and so wonder who else people are considering at the moment?

 

I was thinking this as well, though I was holding off on mentioning it. You have to understand, I don't 100% believe you, uncontested or not, but after seeing the way in which the coroner reports have been, I'm probably now close to 80%.

 

It bothers me too, but we are trusting the word of confirmed scum on that as well which makes it difficult. I had forgotten about that though I knew there was some reason I was worried about a godmother... This will take some thought.

 

We have to remember that a competing mafia team is as much a threat to scum as the town, if not more. Nolder's death and subsequent coroner report actually eliminates the possibility that any night death is the result of a vigilante. Peacesells was not just scum, he was scum from a rival team. I have to say, your reluctance to go through with this lynch, on top of the now sudden mention of a godmother role, makes me wonder a great deal about the validity of your claim.

[Darthe]

I would hope that you always stayed suspicious mynd. However you have to consider that there are 4 options here, I am scum playing u all, my role was befuddled last night by someone, limi is a godmother (which I have mentioned several times before as a maybe) or peace lied. Only one of those has me as scum and only two imply her to be mafia. Not great odds man.

[Ironeyes]

Based on what we know, I'd say that Limi is the best lynch today. That will get rid of this "Godmother or not" situation, and if she flips town, we can trust Darthe. Plus I don't like her play style so far- too defensive, too fast.

[Arez Al'Loke]

 

I have a theory here, and this is totally just a wild thought, but I am beginning to think that only one scum group gets an NK each night. And as for the role thing, I did not want to reveal that information simply because it is not going to be a constant thing, rather a random one, and so mentioning it would only have caused more grief which i tried to avoid... My apologies to all though for not being more straightforward. Continuing with this game, I feel that lynching limi only gains us time by being a safer lynch than myself (unless she is a godfather) and so wonder who else people are considering at the moment?

 

I was reading through this rather fast and then came back to it.. Doesn't it seem rather far-fetched that only one scum group can NK each night? I didn't even think about that, before you mentioned it..

Hmmm...

[Ironeyes]

I have a theory here, and this is totally just a wild thought, but I am beginning to think that only one scum group gets an NK each night. And as for the role thing, I did not want to reveal that information simply because it is not going to be a constant thing, rather a random one, and so mentioning it would only have caused more grief which i tried to avoid... My apologies to all though for not being more straightforward. Continuing with this game, I feel that lynching limi only gains us time by being a safer lynch than myself (unless she is a godfather) and so wonder who else people are considering at the moment?

 

I was reading through this rather fast and then came back to it.. Doesn't it seem rather far-fetched that only one scum group can NK each night? I didn't even think about that, before you mentioned it..

Hmmm...

 

It makes sense to me, too.

 

I'm going to be gone this weekend camping, so you'll have to do without my valuable input for a few days. Don't lose or anything, peeps.

[Arez Al'Loke]

Well, I guess I should be productive aswell before I go to sleep.

 

Vote Limi

 

There has been alot of speculation around Limi. But I feel that the best reason would be to vet Darthe once and for all.

[Darthe]

Very well. If it is the towns wish, I will vote limi as well but only the hammer and after she gets time to speak. I am

Trying to give you a chance limi, sorry :(

[Aiel Heart]

Alive No Claim Alive Claimed

Dead Town Dead Italian Dead KoH

1. Ishy

2. Nolder--Town Vigilante--Lynched D1

3. Basel

4. Arez

5. Razen

6. BG

7. Tress

8. Nae

9. Lenlo

10. Hoof

11. Piano

12. Darthe--claims Sheriff--cannot be seen viewing others, has normal cop powers, and has a QT and can occasionally tell roles? Has deputy?

13. Kae

14. Pale Mynd #2--Claims Serial Killer

15. Kaylee

16. ChrissyMarsh

17. Float Heart

18. Peace--Vanilla of Kings of Hell MC--Lynched D2

19. Nyn--Member of Italian Mob--Killed N2

20. Tina

21. Key

22. Firebird--Member of Italian Mob--Modkilled D1

23. Limi--claims vanilla town

..........Darthe says she is town

..........peace says that she was seen visiting Mynd #1

24. Mynd #1--Vanilla Town--Killed N1

 

My first WoT

My next WoT

 

@Ishy: are you quitting mafia again? I note your sig has gone back to the WIFOM siggy that you were wearing when I first joined mafia :P

 

I find it highly interesting that any one I've called out is now suddenly very interested in me. Ie Peace and Arez. The top two people I was willing to vote for.

 

However, There were obviously two people who visited Mynd that night, plus what ever info Marsh is getting since he called Peace out before he revealed. I think it's more a case of role misdirecting things. Where they move actions or scramble them. It would explain why he pulled such weak casing on me all day.

How is it obvious that two people visited him that night? All we know for certain is that someone killed him.

 

Mynd #2 randomly reveals

 

Marsh, look partway down my last post. I said the next line of “If I Die Young”

 

Red was my second choice lol

 

 

 

Nyn

 

I knew it, she's an orange.

 

For starters, Mynd 1.0 is to me as Gandalf the Gray is to Gandalf the White. Still, if I am to speak on the one called Mynd 1.0, it doesn't prove he's town but it should have placed him on the less-likely town list. Nothing is certain in mafia until endgame, except maybe our own alignments at the start. The theory that makes the least assumptions is typically the right one. It doesn't make all others impossible, but improbable. I'll spare you the charts and graphs.

 

Arez, a man misunderstood your post. A man has not yet made his selection. A man will wait for a player to give me a name in bold letters this time. A man does not need to wait for Arez to give him the name.

Arez Al'loke

 

 

also, I can help on this whole peace issue. I am almost 100 percent certain that he was being honest for a few reasons, one of which is that sheriff me has FAR TOO MUCH POWER FOR A NORMAL COP, and the second being that one of my extra powers is that people cannot tell when I view others. Meaning limi would have been seen but I would not have. I swear, I almost don't feel like viewing her I am so certain. You can't tell me she hasn't pinged you all too?

Just want to note this post

 

Not yet. More interestingly is what iron eyes said two pages ago (I'll quote later) which essentially seemed to out him as scum.

expand upon this?

 

Arez thinks that Razen has been silenced....

 

Things start really piling around and I’m too lazy to link and quote.

 

I think I’ve actually seen a cop/deputy mason. I can’t remember which game it was though, so maybe I’m making it up. In spite of that, Darthe claim(s) seem VERY fantastic to me.

 

BG’s play seems odd to me this game...

 

I don't like this. Who are we taking our eyes off while focusing on an uncontestant cop? Why are you so quick at voting an uncontestant cop? FOS all of you.

Noted.

 

What are you suggesting, Iron? *is confused*

 

FOS the 3 of you voting for the cop. I say we lynch Limi to check and see if she is vanilla town or not. That way we still have cop and backup cop if he's telling teh truth. Vote Limi

Noted.

 

Three mafias seems like a lot to me... That is odd though.... Maybe the townsfolk are Spanish?

 

I don’t like Arez, Ishy, BG, Mynd, Limi or Darthe.

 

If there is a back up, then we can use the back up. If Darthe is telling the truth then that’s a lot of power for one person to hold in my opnion. It seems more to me that he’s making himself too valuable to lynch. Note how he kept adding something else to his ability. It all just smells fishy to me.

 

In other news, where did Ishy and Hoof go?