[Advanced] teh lolz Apocalypse Mafia - Game Over - Congrads Mafia

[Razen]

Soy (7): Len, Key, Basel, Kay, Maw, Ishy, AH

 

Interesting. I think we'll find scum in the first half of this lynch. Scum probably pushed the lynch then it gained momentum with townies. That's my guess.

 

I don't know. The first two votes were Ishy and Lenlo, and that was before Soy revealed that he was lynchproof. What I would be looking at is who pushed it after the reveal. There, the big three were Ishy, Maw, and Songstress.

[Songstress]

Soy (7): Len, Key, Basel, Kay, Maw, Ishy, AH

 

Interesting. I think we'll find scum in the first half of this lynch. Scum probably pushed the lynch then it gained momentum with townies. That's my guess.

 

Meh. I don't agree with that. For the record, also, I believe Ishy was the first on to vote Soy, not toward the end so watching vote count is an iffy way to judge who is scum.

 

For the record... the actual order:

 

Ishy

Lenlo

Key

Basel

Kaylee

Maw

AH

 

So I guess unless you believe Ishy is super crafty scum, you're figuring him as town... and you, Basel and Kaylee are right there in the middle so...

 

Nah, I'm not saying I think you're scum because of where you were in the train. Your vote on him didn't really strike me as scummy. There were some that I questioned, though.

 

And by Kae's theory, perhaps we should look harder at Ishy.

[bgrishinko]

Does it say in the scene that he is town?

 

 

 

Yeah, but now we also have a (for all intents and purposes) vetted townie. I wouldn't chalk that up as a total loss.

 

Could be. I don't think it really proves anything of alignment. From my own experience, unlychables seem to be pro-town, but people that have 1 time lynchproof are generally anti-town. So it could go either way.

[Lenlo]

Well Soy was telling the truth. If it's not a one time thing I think we can at least say whether he is town or not we shouldn't move to lynch him again. Don't want to waste to many days.

 

I think we should be looking toward the middle/back of the train and look at those peopled vote posts. Check out those who had weak reasons or just seemed to be hopping on the train.

[bgrishinko]

Well Soy was telling the truth. If it's not a one time thing I think we can at least say whether he is town or not we shouldn't move to lynch him again. Don't want to waste to many days.

 

I think we should be looking toward the middle/back of the train and look at those peopled vote posts. Check out those who had weak reasons or just seemed to be hopping on the train.

 

 

That's true. The main reason people seemed to be suspicious of him was the roleclaim + his reactions to it. So the fact it was truth nulls out all those arguments and anything against Soy would need to be based on other reasons.

[Sakaea]

Sorry Ishikins, but I do find you suspicious at this point in time.

[Songstress]

Soy (7): Len, Key, Basel, Kay, Maw, Ishy, AH

 

Interesting. I think we'll find scum in the first half of this lynch. Scum probably pushed the lynch then it gained momentum with townies. That's my guess.

 

I don't know. The first two votes were Ishy and Lenlo, and that was before Soy revealed that he was lynchproof. What I would be looking at is who pushed it after the reveal. There, the big three were Ishy, Maw, and Songstress.

 

I'm going to take exception to that statement, Razen. I posted exactly twice on the subject of lynching Soy. I think you're confusing me with Key.

 

WOT below, for the record, with irrelevancies mostly snipped...

 

However, I think that Tress and Soy bear watching as well.

 

(snipped bit about my D1 "cases" being based on D1 joking)

 

Soy should stop impersonating Wombat. Nuff said.

 

After a vote on BG, Maw was the first to mention Soy D2, but didn't vote him yet.

 

Ok, a lot of Boyo's votes have seemed odd to me. Key's reaction to that one vote at the beginning of the game is still interesting, so just keeping that in mind.

 

Heart was the next to bring up Soy, still no votes.

 

Maw - listen carefully what I´m about to say because it might be a while until you hear it the next time:

 

I pretty much agree with everything you said. Great scenes and Soy is acting weird. Right now I could vote BG, Sakaea or Soy.

 

Tina mentions she agrees Soy's acting weird, and states she's willing to vote him.

 

I had a problem with his voting habits on Day One, but no one else seemed to mind. I agree that Kikkoman's votes then reminded me of Wom, yet, he isn't Wom. So I think I'll try again and see what shakes loose.

 

Vote Soy Sauce.

 

First vote on Soy, for his unwanted Wombat impersonation.

 

I can agree with either a BG or a Soy lynch right now. For now I am going to vote Soy so we can get abit of a competing train and see what pops up.

 

Vote Soy

 

Second vote on Soy, primarily noted as trying to get a competing train started. At this point there were two votes on BG and one on Soy.

 

I'll just go ahead and tell you that if you lynch my you'll be waisting a lynch because I'm unlynchable... and Town.

 

And here comes the reveal.

 

Soy revealed he's unlynchable at 2 votes? FoS that. If we can't decide on anyone at the end of a day, we can always use Soy as an alternative to Random/NoVote to test the roleclaim.

 

BG comments, sounds doubtful, but doesn't want to make Soy the primary lynch target...

 

Might be a little early, but at the time they were two quick votes, and that can lead to a steam roll. I've seen it happen before. Figured I'd give any sheep out there something to think about before they wheeled along and voted me for very little reasoning.

 

Soy's response... Lynch trains can get rolling super fast, not sure the earliness of the reveal was too questionable all things considered.

 

Soy-I also agree with you here. There was almost no pressure on him to reveal that piece of information. Why would he let that drop at such an odd time?

 

(most of case on BG snipped to save space)

 

Regarding the italics in the first post of BG's I quoted- this is what interests me. You say that votes move around on Day 1, and then when Tina says that you had a strategic reason for voting Kae, you immediately press the attack on her. You've immediately zeroed in on her today too. And by your logic, because votes move around on Day 1, that means Soy should be given a pass for doing what you advocated? Even though he gave almost no reasoning for his votes other than "spreading the love around"? Coupled with Soy's timing for his role claim, I'm almost tempted to test it. But the fact that you jumped right up and said we should test it if there's no consensus has me wondering.

 

Right in the middle of the case on BG, Razen indicates he's "almost tempted" to test Soy's claim, but finds BG's suggestion to test the claim as a last resort if there's no agreed lynch suspicious.

 

 

I'm still suspicious of Soy. While his first vote for me could *possibly* be considered a Day One joke vote, he follows it with the explanation "Had to start somewhere, why not you?" when I ask about it. Seems like a weird response to me - as if he hadn't been paying attention to the game. Then he does a lot of vote jumping around with little to no explanation and I never like that. Even Wombat gets grilled for that sometimes and that's his MO. It hasn't been Soy's, which seems weird to me.

 

(snipped bits about Key finding my early D1 statement about Soy weird, and about the Kae/Kaylee thing)

 

Going back to Soy, he seems very eager to respond to Ishy's statement about having found the scum. Getting nervous since your name was mentioned? Also, responds quickly to my post about having a weak reason to vote for me on D1. I didn't think it was a comment that needed to be replied to, but he was pretty quick to give his excuse.

 

Then he hops a vote again - to Hoof with no comment as to why.

 

(other commentary snipped)

 

Vote Soy.

madlsufoiausdlikgjadkfjlkajh - cut off the rest of my post!

 

Plus, what better way to prove his role than to attempt a lynch? Revealing that is *asking* for a lynch because then we have a vetted townie if you actually are Unlynchable.

 

Key votes here, citing his D1 voting patterns as suspicious, the ill-fated Wombat impersonation, defensiveness in responding to Ishy and herself, and also testing his claim to vet a townie.

 

To be honest, vetting a Townie at this point isn't such a bad idea. If he's lying and he's scum, well and good. If he's telling the truth, we narrow the field even further. I say we see where this goes.

 

Ishy pushes again here with the "vetting a townie" suggestion.

 

I'll just go ahead and tell you that if you lynch my you'll be waisting a lynch because I'm unlynchable... and Town.

 

So you're claiming nine livez kitteh? We have to lynch you nine times? My head hurts....

 

I'm going to chalk this post up to Drunk Mafia™ and not try to make sense of it.

 

I don't like the way Soy has been pinging. I just completed my reread. His D1 votes seemed like they were just dropped in out of nowhere. I'm guessing he was trying to take advantage of typical D1 confusion to create a bandwagon on someone the scum wanted gone. I don't trust the way he was quick to give excuses when someone suspected him. He seemed a bit nervous and defensive when Ishy said he'd found the scum. Finally, his role claim doesn't quite ring true to me with the odd timing. If he had brought this out when he was at L -2 or even L -1, I might find it more believable. But with only 2 votes, it strikes me as something he would be better served keeping quiet about if it were true. I want to see this claim confirmed or disproved. If he is telling the truth, then we can find another person to look at.

 

As for others, I'm not feeling the BG lynch right now, but I am keeping my eyes on him. I'm leaning toward Tina as town. But that doesn't necessarily mean that BG is scum. I'm not sure about anyone else yet. I'm also keeping an eye on Kae after her vote on Kay for inactivity when she wasn't all that much more active at the time. It's not much to go on there, but it does bear watching.

 

VOTE SOY.

 

Basel chimes in his vote for Soy, stating he believed Soy's D1 vote hopping was a case of scum taking advantage of D1 confusion to bandwagon townies... also notes nervous/defensive reactions, and the timing of his role claim.

 

I don't like the way Soy has been pinging. I just completed my reread. His D1 votes seemed like they were just dropped in out of nowhere. I'm guessing he was trying to take advantage of typical D1 confusion to create a bandwagon on someone the scum wanted gone. I don't trust the way he was quick to give excuses when someone suspected him. He seemed a bit nervous and defensive when Ishy said he'd found the scum. Finally, his role claim doesn't quite ring true to me with the odd timing. If he had brought this out when he was at L -2 or even L -1, I might find it more believable. But with only 2 votes, it strikes me as something he would be better served keeping quiet about if it were true. I want to see this claim confirmed or disproved. If he is telling the truth, then we can find another person to look at.

 

As for others, I'm not feeling the BG lynch right now, but I am keeping my eyes on him. I'm leaning toward Tina as town. But that doesn't necessarily mean that BG is scum. I'm not sure about anyone else yet. I'm also keeping an eye on Kae after her vote on Kay for inactivity when she wasn't all that much more active at the time. It's not much to go on there, but it does bear watching.

 

VOTE SOY.

I agree with this. I find his vote jumping with little explaination to be odd. I also found it odd about the claim as Basil pointed out.

I'm not too sure about BG at this point but will be keeping on eye on him. I'm also getting a town vibe from Tina. That's what I've noticed at this point.

Vote Soy

 

Kaylee here bandwagons on Basel's entire post.

 

Told you there were a bunch of sheep in this game... If my voting on D1 was such an issue, and apparently a lynch worthy issue, why didn't anyone mention it yesterday? I think this is a scum led lynch and you can look to those really pushing this lynch for your scum. Also did anyone consider the reason that my play is so different is because I am unlynchable. It would be pretty stupid of me to make such radical change without having that cushion.

 

That is all.

 

Soy excuses his D1 behavior here as being due to his unlynchable status...

 

Whoa, that's really harsh.

 

I honestly think the *only* correct play now would be to "lynch" you and therefore vet you.

 

Why are you afraid of being lynched if you are unlynchable?

 

Key states here that the only "correct" move at this point is to lynch Soy and vet his claim.

 

This reminds me of Day 2 in the ASoIaF game when they decided to try to lynch Chrissy because she claimed to be a tree stump.

 

Pretty much had to be done, and she was telling the truth, but man, it ticked her off.

 

I'm getting the same kind of vibe here... but yeah, it's going to be tough to do anything else today but vet that claim.

 

GSoD is almost caught up, and I'm off work tomorrow so I should have more thoughts before I call it a night, along with a vote.

 

This is my first weigh in on Soy's behavior, and the only one before the hammer vote. I was fairly sure at that point that he was telling the truth about being unlynchable, but as with the Chrissy/tree stump case, that kind of claim leaves a lot of WIFOM lying about until it's proved, and I didn't expect we were going to be able to focus on anyone else as a lynch target until that was out of the way.

 

 

... to be continued...

[Songstress]

... continued...

 

 

A few things there, soy. I did point out that your voting habits were a problem yesterday, as did Razen, Ishy, and a few others. However, Hoof was taking priority. Also did you consider the fact that using that cushion, whether you have it or not, to justify scummy play is stupid? UNVOTE VOTE SOY

 

Maw votes here, taking exception to Soy's suggestion that nobody pointed out his D1 voting pattern as an issue at the time.

 

Told you there were a bunch of sheep in this game... If my voting on D1 was such an issue, and apparently a lynch worthy issue, why didn't anyone mention it yesterday? I think this is a scum led lynch and you can look to those really pushing this lynch for your scum. Also did anyone consider the reason that my play is so different is because I am unlynchable. It would be pretty stupid of me to make such radical change without having that cushion.

 

That is all.

 

I did mention it yesterday. I'm just pressing on with the case I made before.

 

And as for you thinking it's a "scum-lead" lynch, deal with me making a case against you as you like. I'm not scum, I think it's a very Townie move to see how you flip, as I've already stated. My reasoning can be found in previous posts.

 

Ishy also chimes in arguing that he mentioned the whole "you are not Wombat, cut it out" bit on D1.

 

Oh yes, and I should mention that I *also* mentioned not liking your voting pattern. A few times. And got called out specifically for mentioning the one on me.

 

And Key as well.

 

 

Told you there were a bunch of sheep in this game... If my voting on D1 was such an issue, and apparently a lynch worthy issue, why didn't anyone mention it yesterday? I think this is a scum led lynch and you can look to those really pushing this lynch for your scum. Also did anyone consider the reason that my play is so different is because I am unlynchable. It would be pretty stupid of me to make such radical change without having that cushion.

 

That is all.

 

I did mention it yesterday. I'm just pressing on with the case I made before.

 

And as for you thinking it's a "scum-lead" lynch, deal with me making a case against you as you like. I'm not scum, I think it's a very Townie move to see how you flip, as I've already stated. My reasoning can be found in previous posts.

 

Seeing as how I'm unlynchable.... I would think that you're not going to get a coroner report on me since I won't be dead. So to truly test my alignement you'd then have to turn around and lynch me again tomorrow. You (a general use of "you" because others have used that logic as well) want to waist two days? That is scummy.

 

Italics mine for emphasis... From this statement, it appears Soy is claiming one-time lynchproof, otherwise why even suggest lynching him again tomorrow?

 

 

Soy - why are you fighting against this so hard?

 

We're not even looking for a coroner's report, because as you said, you won't be dead. But you STILL BEING ALIVE is a pretty good clue that you're telling the truth about your role.

 

What is the big deal?

 

Key questions Soy's reactions here pretty strongly...

 

We're trying to vet you as town or out you as scum. If you're really town, you should be helping us instead of fighting us.

 

And Maw...

 

We're trying to vet you as town or out you as scum. If you're really town, you should be helping us instead of fighting us.

 

Amen. And also, as many of us that are making an issue of this, why is it that you're singling out Key? Are you afraid of the almighty female parts?

 

... and Ishy.

 

If you really are unlynchable, you wouldn't care. You'd be more than happy with proving your role. I know I would be. I say let it be proven. The only other case I would be interested in seeing be proven is Tina's. Let's see what shakes loose.

Whoa, that's really harsh.

 

I honestly think the *only* correct play now would be to "lynch" you and therefore vet you.

 

Why are you afraid of being lynched if you are unlynchable?

 

Amen. As I've said.

 

And Ishy again for emphasis, questioning Soy's reactions.

 

 

Soy is totally being weird about this...

 

Vote Soy

 

And AH hammers because of Soy's reaction to the train.

 

Soy is totally being weird about this...

 

Vote Soy

 

Just finished catching up... and unless my count is wrong, that was a hammer.

 

I agree that the best move for today was going to have to be vetting Soy's claim. There would be too many questions hanging out there if we didn't test it. And his reactions have been... odd, although I wouldn't be too surprised if he was telling the truth. I'm assuming this is a one-time lynchproof role as he mentioned having to waste two days to test his alignment.

 

My only other comment regarding the Soy train. If I hadn't been distracted keeping my spam-buddy company over at the BT, I would most likely have finished catching up the GSoD before the hammer vote and done it myself -- I still don't see any way we could have avoided testing his claim D2.

 

And one more note:

 

Does it say in the scene that he is town?

 

 

 

Yeah, but now we also have a (for all intents and purposes) vetted townie. I wouldn't chalk that up as a total loss.

 

Could be. I don't think it really proves anything of alignment. From my own experience, unlychables seem to be pro-town, but people that have 1 time lynchproof are generally anti-town. So it could go either way.

 

This is why I'm not assuming he's vetted as town.

[Songstress]

So after all that work, I said all that to say this:

 

Razen, you have me confused with Key.

 

And this:

 

Clearly Ishy and Key, and to a somewhat lesser extent Maw, were pushing the hardest on this train. I'm not 100% sold on Soy's towniness, so I don't know what that says about them. If he's one time lynchproof scum, however, I'd bet the scum led that lynch to try to make all of them look better. Since our finder was inactive and NK'd, depending on what other roles are out there, I'm not holding my breath on finding out just yet.

 

And this:

 

I'm suspicious of far too many people right now for them all to be scum.

 

However, Kaylee's vote pinged me a bit. And now that I mention it, Ishy's being rather easier on her than I expected him to be as well, given his statement in a previous game that he gives new players D1 only, and after that they're fair game. Now suddenly it's all good the first game.

[bgrishinko]

Told you there were a bunch of sheep in this game... If my voting on D1 was such an issue, and apparently a lynch worthy issue, why didn't anyone mention it yesterday? I think this is a scum led lynch and you can look to those really pushing this lynch for your scum. Also did anyone consider the reason that my play is so different is because I am unlynchable. It would be pretty stupid of me to make such radical change without having that cushion.

 

That is all.

 

I did mention it yesterday. I'm just pressing on with the case I made before.

 

And as for you thinking it's a "scum-lead" lynch, deal with me making a case against you as you like. I'm not scum, I think it's a very Townie move to see how you flip, as I've already stated. My reasoning can be found in previous posts.

 

Seeing as how I'm unlynchable.... I would think that you're not going to get a coroner report on me since I won't be dead. So to truly test my alignement you'd then have to turn around and lynch me again tomorrow. You (a general use of "you" because others have used that logic as well) want to waist two days? That is scummy.

 

Italics mine for emphasis... From this statement, it appears Soy is claiming one-time lynchproof, otherwise why even suggest lynching him again tomorrow?

 

 

Good catch Tress, didn't even notice this statement. Just wanted to point this out so people who skim would take notice.

 

So what is it Soy? Unlynchable, or One-Time lynchproof? You said "unlynchable", but the way you worded it seems to imply one-time as Tress suggests.

[keyholder21]

Tress- I questioned his reactions strongly because I thought it was weird that he was getting upset over being lynched when he said he was unlynchable.

 

 

Also, yes, I believe it was the only correct play. Please tell me, would you have just left his claim out there *without* trying to vet it?

[Songstress]

Tress- I questioned his reactions strongly because I thought it was weird that he was getting upset over being lynched when he said he was unlynchable.

 

 

Also, yes, I believe it was the only correct play. Please tell me, would you have just left his claim out there *without* trying to vet it?

 

I understand my WoT was a bit much, but seriously, did you skim everything I said?

 

See my previous posts during the Soy train:

 

 

This reminds me of Day 2 in the ASoIaF game when they decided to try to lynch Chrissy because she claimed to be a tree stump.

 

Pretty much had to be done, and she was telling the truth, but man, it ticked her off.

 

I'm getting the same kind of vibe here... but yeah, it's going to be tough to do anything else today but vet that claim.

 

GSoD is almost caught up, and I'm off work tomorrow so I should have more thoughts before I call it a night, along with a vote.

 

Soy is totally being weird about this...

 

Vote Soy

 

Just finished catching up... and unless my count is wrong, that was a hammer.

 

I agree that the best move for today was going to have to be vetting Soy's claim. There would be too many questions hanging out there if we didn't test it. And his reactions have been... odd, although I wouldn't be too surprised if he was telling the truth. I'm assuming this is a one-time lynchproof role as he mentioned having to waste two days to test his alignment.

 

I also stated in part 2 of my WoT:

 

My only other comment regarding the Soy train. If I hadn't been distracted keeping my spam-buddy company over at the BT, I would most likely have finished catching up the GSoD before the hammer vote and done it myself -- I still don't see any way we could have avoided testing his claim D2.

 

So no, I wouldn't have just left it out there without testing it.

 

My point in all that, which I stated in my summary post, was that Razen stated I was pushing Soy's lynch after his reveal, when he clearly had me confused with you.

[keyholder21]

No, I didn't. My question was rhetorical since I knew you wouldn't.

 

I just thought you were questioning why I did. I gotcha though, that you were merely pointing something out to Razen.

[Kaylee]

My vote on Soy was for the claim of being unlynchable then being defensive about being voted. After reading the posts others had made to this point I agreed it had to be checked out.

[SBoydW]

neener neener neener iz toldz you allz dat i weren't mafiaz..... but nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooozzzzzzz nobody berlived mez.... I love you guys.... c'mon BRING IT IN!!!! *spreads the hugz*

[Lenlo]

We are still not sure if you scum or not Soy. All we know now is that you were telling the truth bout being unlynvhable, which leans towards beings town. Still not 100% IMO though.

[SBoydW]

sayz you.... wanna cheezburger? *searches pocekts* i haz one.... sumwear

[Songstress]

neener neener neener iz toldz you allz dat i weren't mafiaz..... but nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooozzzzzzz nobody berlived mez.... I love you guys.... c'mon BRING IT IN!!!! *spreads the hugz*

 

So apparently the ill-fated Wombat Impersonation has been superceded by Insane LolzSoy.

 

Gotcha.

[SBoydW]

Hello lady...

[Netbattler11]

Soy, you're not making yourself look any more town.

[SBoydW]

Soy, you're not making yourself look any more town.

 

My mother once asked me "what's the diefference between a duck?" and to that I say who knows. To you I say.. Good day sir... I said good day!!!!

[Razen]

Soy, you're not making yourself look any more town.

 

He may not be looking any more town in your opinion, but I think he's definitely more hilarious in this form than Wombat form.

[Netbattler11]

I will give you that...

[SBoydW]

I need a lamp shade..... WOOOOOOO!!!!!

[Sakaea]

I think he's drunk.