Wombat's Basic Mafia v. 2.0.1

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count:

 

Myndrunner (1): mmeeshal

Levity (3): Christine, Red2111, Mr. Soy Boyo

Red2111 (2): Levity, Thorum

Christine (1): Sakaea

Thorum (1): Myndrunner

Aemon (1): amegakure

[amegakure]

fishing much? first off its day one. No way id have info unless....of course your trying to imply im scum. Good try. For what reason would i vote for red or levity. I dont know reds mannerisms well enough to tell if shes hiding and i dont see much or anything in the levity thing. Also its barely into day one with plenty of time, whats your hurry to get more votes on these trains? The thing that popped up to me was you and soy. And for now i will stick to it like a pitbull. good job returning pressure though, great play :)

 

 

 

[aemonkristen]

Yet you still refuse to answer how ignoring an obvious poke makes one look more suspicious than other anomalies that have been mentioned.I think you just want to hide behind day one randomness to lynch someone rather than actively hunt scum. Why else would you admit to not seeing the entire page where the poke ignoring was explained, say:

 

I voted you for ignoring that post. There is some new information on the field of play though....but ill keep my vote on you :p

 

A good scumhunter would be analyzing this new information and deciding what to do rather than "sticking to it like a pitbull". Putting on blinders will only help the scum.

[Myndrunner]

unvote

 

Vote Amegakure

 

I hate to say it, but AK actually has rattled Amega here to the point that I think we may have a frazzled scum in the cross-hairs. Day 1 is all about rattling cages....and we have one rattled pooch here.

 

Amega got way too defensive when AK questioned him. He first votes AemonKitten for someone elses reasoning, not his own, and expects us to refer to the above. He almost seems surprised at AK for questioning the vote and claims it was because he ignored my post, essentially a half-assed explanation for an even more half-assed (quarter assed?) reason for voting. Its like he was slipping the vote in there before he had a good reason.

 

So he then declares (after only a couple posts) that there is new information on the field of play (sic) but he's keeping his vote on AK for now. " "

 

AK then presents a good yet fallible argument about competing trains, implying that he knows more about Red and Levity than the town does. Otherwise, why would Amega go for AK when everyone else was going Red or Levity? This is when Amega goes to 11 on the defensiveness scale. Instead of elaborating on his initial reason for voting AK instead of either Red or Levity, he scrambles.

 

After accusing AK of fishing, his argues that its Day 1 and he would only know Red and Levity's alignment if he was scum, which is true.

 

He then embarrasses himself by admitting he didn't see any reason for voting Red or Levity, essentially outing that he hasn't read anyone's argument about why they are both at 3 votes a piece. Any town player with any sense would be dissecting these two cases all day long, and casing those who voted for them. Instead, Amega shrugs them both off.

 

Then comes the classic "Day 1 - its early" argument that we've all seen so many times before. Succumbing to the idea that Day 1 is random only gives the scum an extra turn. Scum can be outed on Day 1 easily, they usually out themselves because they know they are scum and overcompensate for this.

 

The final nugget of fail comes from his argument that despite some mysterious new information that he has gleaned after a couple posts, he is still keeping his ONE vote on AK no matter what. To illustrate his point, he uses a picture of a pitbull, personifying a beast that is too stubborn to let go of its prey even when it might mean its own demise.

 

Allow me to post a more appropriate pic for Amega's gameplay so far.....

 

[Amadine]

I think that's the best case and evidence we have seen presented so far, and i see an actual reason to vote here. VOTE AMEGA

[SBoydW]

Logic says yes yes... Gut says no no... hmmmmm

[Red2111]

oh i'll be back later to respond. most likely wont be until later this evening or tomorrow, but i'm not ignoring the game.

 

 

the weekand was nuts so i didn't get many chances to stop by DM, and Monday is hectic today at work. still

 

 

unvote

 

 

vote: mynd

 

i dislike how fast Levi's train was froming and would much rather see what this train shakes loose based on Mynds playing. crib notes version, his reason for voting me stunk a mile away. the long version tba

 

 

as for Aemon, i'm on the fence about his intentions right now, but he is pinging me. and i do agree that amega's reaction is ping worthy. big fat ol FoS @ amega. that said, i find his train and the people on it very note worthy.

 

 

[Sakaea]

I'm back from the weekend. I'm not voting yet, I'm getting the feeling the Red/Mynd/Amega bit may all be townie-on-townie stuff. Not sure tho.

[Myndrunner]

So lets review what has happened since I last checked this thread.

 

Amadine declares that my casing of Amega is the most logical so far and votes accordingly.

 

Soy agrees with the logic but his gut says no. Those who go with their gut against logic are logically gutted.

 

Red pulls an Amega and votes me OMGUS declaring that her reasons are TO BE CONTINUED.... Funny thing is I didn't even really vote her, I never unvoted (as the Mod pointed out) but my current vote is on Amega, yet Red still takes offense? Maybe it is because I've pointed out the discrepancy in her behavior? You see, Red typically comes out guns blazing with some rather effective (albeit TLDR) casings when she is town.

 

In this game she's holding back....but Amega's silence speaks louder than anything right now.

[Levity]

Hi

 

I have one more class and two hours of a Spanish project before I can concentrate more on this game (this won't become last game, I promise!). I did want to quickly note, however, that I think Boyo's 'interesting' comment might well be related to the last mini game I played in which I overreacted to a vote train and my replacement was inevitably lynched for it (read: mafia won). If I remember correctly, either he or Wombat made a similar comment ("let's make things interesting"). He might have been hoping for an easy lynch or something, which is unsettling and might be worth a look into. Just a thought.

[bgrishinko]

I think that's the best case and evidence we have seen presented so far, and i see an actual reason to vote here. VOTE AMEGA

 

 

Bandwagony to me.

 

Vote Amadine

[Red2111]

Mynd are you skimming on purpose in this game?? i put a crib notes version of why i voted you, i also stated that i'll get to the casings once i get the time (ie: RL and work are buisy)

 

first you push my lynch based on inactivitey over the weekand and claim i'm lurking on purpose. now your pushing again because i didn't do a WoT due to time constraints.

 

 

sounds like your trying to push the train on me while you can without me being here like i normally am. one might question why you want me gone so badly

[Levity]

Okay, just another thing that definitely pinged my mind:

 

I think that's the best case and evidence we have seen presented so far, and i see an actual reason to vote here.

1. ... This is really vague and unhelpful in informing us as to where you stand. What exactly is the best case? What do you agree with?

 

2. What would be the actual reason to vote, then? There are quite a few reasons Amega has drawn a bit of attention from other players (I'm unsure as if I agree with any of them, as Amega SEEMS TO BE the kind of player to draw attention from one concentrated case to another--perhaps Amega did not want all of the focus on two players, as this type of tunneling can severely hinder the town, though this is kind of meta-ish so perhaps this reasoning may not hold much water at this point).

 

If I read through Amega's posts again after my next class I may be able to formulate a more sound opinion rather than one based on the sparse few past experiences I have had while playing here. Until then, though, Amadine's vote looks a little iffy right now. Explain yourself more thoroughly?

[Myndrunner]

For the record, I'm about to case two players who are not my prime targets but who are/were on the competing lynch trains. Keep in mind that Amega is still high on my list and should warrant others to case as well. Still...

 

Mynd are you skimming on purpose in this game?? i put a crib notes version of why i voted you, i also stated that i'll get to the casings once i get the time (ie: RL and work are buisy)

 

first you push my lynch based on inactivitey over the weekand and claim i'm lurking on purpose. now your pushing again because i didn't do a WoT due to time constraints.

 

@Red: One could skim your posts in this game and still read every word. You're not paying attention and using offline activities as an excuse. For one, I never actually voted you, my vote didn't count. Had you been paying attention, you would have seen my focus on Amega (and my reasons for voting him).

 

Then one begs the question, why come after me when there are those with actual votes against you to defend. I pointed out that your lack of activity was contrary to your normal playstyle, which is truth.

 

sounds like your trying to push the train on me while you can without me being here like i normally am. one might question why you want me gone so badly

 

Again, who is pushing what train here? For one, I found it interesting how some reacted to my non-vote of you, instantly putting Levity up one vote to keep you from being the lead lynch target. To me, that screams of someone defending you.

 

Okay, just another thing that definitely pinged my mind:

 

I think that's the best case and evidence we have seen presented so far, and i see an actual reason to vote here.

1. ... This is really vague and unhelpful in informing us as to where you stand. What exactly is the best case? What do you agree with?

 

2. What would be the actual reason to vote, then? There are quite a few reasons Amega has drawn a bit of attention from other players (I'm unsure as if I agree with any of them, as Amega SEEMS TO BE the kind of player to draw attention from one concentrated case to another--perhaps Amega did not want all of the focus on two players, as this type of tunneling can severely hinder the town, though this is kind of meta-ish so perhaps this reasoning may not hold much water at this point).

 

If I read through Amega's posts again after my next class I may be able to formulate a more sound opinion rather than one based on the sparse few past experiences I have had while playing here. Until then, though, Amadine's vote looks a little iffy right now. Explain yourself more thoroughly?

 

Perhaps I can answer these questions for you. My lengthy post about Amega being scum is the "best case" that Amadine was referring to and apparently she agrees with everything I said. I'm sure she could quote specifics, but it's interesting that you question the very argument that is pulling your ass out of the fire?

 

What is the reason to vote Amega? Besides getting the noose off your neck (you are still the lead lynch target), I've stated my reasons for why I voted in detail. It would be redundant for Amadine to repeat them, but if that's what you need, I'm sure she would oblige. I find it quite interesting that you are actually defending Amega when he's the only person keeping votes off you.

 

Wouldn't it be funny if we had three mafia players on three competing trains on Day 1? Red/Amega/Levity

[Myndrunner]

I'm back from the weekend. I'm not voting yet, I'm getting the feeling the Red/Mynd/Amega bit may all be townie-on-townie stuff. Not sure tho.

 

When you are scum, and your teammate is in trouble, you make posts like the one above. Often when a scum team has one player who is reckless and risking a D1 lynch, before they cut their losses, the scum team will make efforts to take the heat off them without being too obvious. A great way to do this is like what Sakaea is doing here. You group your scummate in with two town players in an effort to make them all seem likely town.

 

Notice how he did not mention Levity?

[mmeeshal]

*she

[Levity]

I'm not defending amega, per se--at this early point in the game, I'm not defending anyone. I was only making a point, since I found it amusing that people go after Amega because he doesn't want the town to hinder production. Are you perhaps scum unhappy with this? And even if I were defending Amega unconditionally, consider the reason why I supposedly defended: Amega wanted to get the focus off of only two players and broaden the town's horizons--your point that I don't want Amega to keep the lynch off of me seems contradictory, and you're jumping to conclusions with my words.

 

i'm posted in class because I am naughty

[Graendals favourite]

Back from weekend, too. Been keeping an eye on events here but been too exhausted to think further on the game.

[Levity]

posting*

[Levity]

also you're defending the player that pretty much sheeped behind you, hmmm

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count:

 

Myndrunner (2): mmeeshal, Red2111

Levity (2): Christine, Mr. Soy Boyo

Red2111 (2): Levity, Thorum

Christine (1): Sakaea

Aemon (1): amegakure

amegakure (2): Myndrunner, Amadine

Amadine (1): bgrishinko

 

7 to lynch

 

Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/fullscreen.html?mode=a&year=2012&month=1&day=18&hour=0&min=0&sec=0&p0=43

[amegakure]

hmmmm. Over defensive no. inexperience..perhaps..is that an excuse no. i missed the 4th page when i posted. ops i made a mistake. Either way i explained in my post that the only worthwhile thing i saw on red was that she wasn't being super active. That doesn't ping me so much. And there's nothing in the 4th page that would make me vote levity. So why would i follow you with my "blinders" on and help kill someone i believe innocent. Ak you also posted no reasons to change my mind on the 4th page. So think what you will if you must.

[amegakure]

 

 

 

Amega got way too defensive when AK questioned him. He first votes AemonKitten for someone elses reasoning, not his own,(wrong i voted him for ignoring a post) and expects us to refer to the above. He almost seems surprised at AK for questioning the vote and claims it was because he ignored my post, essentially a half-assed explanation for an even more half-assed (quarter assed?) reason for voting. Its like he was slipping the vote in there before he had a good reason. It was barely day one there was barely anything to go on. why are you defending him so much? Do you know hes town?

 

So he then declares (after only a couple posts) that there is new information on the field of play (sic)(4th page..went to bed didnt read it yet. Actually there wasnt much on ak.) but he's keeping his vote on AK for now. " "

 

AK then presents a good yet fallible argument about competing trains, implying that he knows more about Red and Levity than the town does. Otherwise, why would Amega go for AK when everyone else was going Red or Levity? This is when Amega goes to 11 on the defensiveness scale. Instead of elaborating on his initial reason for voting AK instead of either Red or Levity, he scrambles. (once again there is nothing else to explain)

 

 

He then embarrasses himself by admitting he didn't see any reason for voting Red or Levity, essentially outing that he hasn't read anyone's argument about why they are both at 3 votes a piece. Any town player with any sense would be dissecting these two cases all day long, and casing those who voted for them. Instead, Amega shrugs them both off. (those were not good cases. nothing to dissect)

 

Then comes the classic "Day 1 - its early" argument that we've all seen so many times before. Succumbing to the idea that Day 1 is random only gives the scum an extra turn. Scum can be outed on Day 1 easily, they usually out themselves because they know they are scum and overcompensate for this. (i agree and said nothing about randomness. please keep your words in your mouth not mine :) )

 

The final nugget of fail comes from his argument that despite some mysterious new information that he has gleaned after a couple posts,(There was no new info besides the page i had yet to read. Although he was acting off.)he is still keeping his ONE vote on AK no matter what.(I didnt say no matter what..twisting my words again) To illustrate his point, he uses a picture of a pitbull, personifying a beast that is too stubborn to let go of its prey even when it might mean its own demise.

 

 

This is just rude :)

[amegakure]

 

 

 

Amega got way too defensive when AK questioned him. He first votes AemonKitten for someone elses reasoning, not his own,(wrong i voted him for ignoring a post) and expects us to refer to the above. He almost seems surprised at AK for questioning the vote and claims it was because he ignored my post, essentially a half-assed explanation for an even more half-assed (quarter assed?) reason for voting. Its like he was slipping the vote in there before he had a good reason. It was barely day one there was barely anything to go on. why are you defending him so much? Do you know hes town?

 

So he then declares (after only a couple posts) that there is new information on the field of play (sic)(4th page..went to bed didnt read it yet. Actually there wasnt much on ak.) but he's keeping his vote on AK for now. " "

 

AK then presents a good yet fallible argument about competing trains, implying that he knows more about Red and Levity than the town does. Otherwise, why would Amega go for AK when everyone else was going Red or Levity? This is when Amega goes to 11 on the defensiveness scale. Instead of elaborating on his initial reason for voting AK instead of either Red or Levity, he scrambles. (once again there is nothing else to explain)

 

 

He then embarrasses himself by admitting he didn't see any reason for voting Red or Levity, essentially outing that he hasn't read anyone's argument about why they are both at 3 votes a piece. Any town player with any sense would be dissecting these two cases all day long, and casing those who voted for them. Instead, Amega shrugs them both off. (those were not good cases. nothing to dissect)

 

Then comes the classic "Day 1 - its early" argument that we've all seen so many times before. Succumbing to the idea that Day 1 is random only gives the scum an extra turn. Scum can be outed on Day 1 easily, they usually out themselves because they know they are scum and overcompensate for this. (i agree and said nothing about randomness. please keep your words in your mouth not mine :) )

 

The final nugget of fail comes from his argument that despite some mysterious new information that he has gleaned after a couple posts,(There was no new info besides the page i had yet to read. Although he was acting off.)he is still keeping his ONE vote on AK no matter what.(I didnt say no matter what..twisting my words again) To illustrate his point, he uses a picture of a pitbull, personifying a beast that is too stubborn to let go of its prey even when it might mean its own demise.

 

 

This is just rude :)

[Myndrunner]

I'm not defending amega, per se--at this early point in the game, I'm not defending anyone. I was only making a point, since I found it amusing that people go after Amega because he doesn't want the town to hinder production. Are you perhaps scum unhappy with this?

This entire statement only would make sense if you knew Amega was town and IS defending Amega per se.

 

And even if I were defending Amega unconditionally, consider the reason why I supposedly defended: Amega wanted to get the focus off of only two players and broaden the town's horizons--your point that I don't want Amega to keep the lynch off of me seems contradictory, and you're jumping to conclusions with my words.

Are we playing mafia Mad-Libs and no one told me? Are you just taking whatever random word your professor blurts out and trying to use it in a sentence? Amega is not trying to broaden the town's horizions, those are your words (and a few from the dictionary, I'm sure). Amega slipped a vote on AK and gave a weak reason for it and has told us all that he refuses to change it no matter what (see pitbull). Is this what you call broadening the town's horizons? To me, its more like sticking your head in the sand and hoping your scum team bails you out.

 

also you're defending the player that pretty much sheeped behind you, hmmm

I'm defending my point. You asked for an explanation of why to vote for Amega, and I gave it to you. You puzzle me because you seem more concerned with my casing of Amega (which takes votes off you) than your own lynch. Perhaps everyone is right and you should be the one we lynch instead. Could give us a lot of info on Amega as well since you continue to defend him....per se.