[Light Vs Shadow] - HEROES AND VILLIANS MAFIA

[Red2111]

okay was just on the Wiki and can't find anything similar to Kaes role there so it wouldn't have helped anyway.

[Niniel]

For now, I will confirm that I visited Wombat, but I'm going to keep why/for what purpose to myself for now. I believe a reveal on my part would be detrimental right now.

 

However, due to what all has happened, I believe Wombat's coroner report will help to clear a lot of the WIFOMs we have going on. So, Vote Wombat

 

This was Sakaea´s response to Des´s findings. Before that she wasn´t more suspected then anyone else that went to Wombat´s party.

 

 

I'm the healer. Get off me. Targeted myself N1 and Amadine N2. Get off.

 

 

Unvote

 

Curiouser and curiouser.

 

 

For now, I will confirm that I visited Wombat, but I'm going to keep why/for what purpose to myself for now. I believe a reveal on my part would be detrimental right now.

 

However, due to what all has happened, I believe Wombat's coroner report will help to clear a lot of the WIFOMs we have going on. So, Vote Wombat

 

UNVOTE, VOTE SAKEA I'd like to clear up something I got as my results last night. She didn't target womby last night. Or maybe that's where she started but ended up on someone else. But maybe it'll help clear the air on the suspicions I have on her.

 

Here Song tell us about what she found out. It was after that that she had to explain herself.

 

I believe that either Tina or Kae are lying. Too many RBs in this kitchen.

 

While I was digging for those quotes I found this. Could mean that BG is a role blocker and that is why he said it. Or he could have just prepared something for Sakaea.

 

I agree. And I know it's not me that's lying, so Vote Tina

 

I bet she's a scum RB.

 

Because she jumped on it pretty fast.

[hotpocket2006]

I assume I track who they ended up targeting, I asked Talya to clarify whether I track who they originally target or where they end up on their target. I got a big PAFO, like I already explained. So Leelou bussed Wombat and Ley. I tracked sakea on Ley because she targeted wombat but got bussed to Ley. And that's why Ley died.

 

Everyone was on wombat starting day 2, and I'm the one who started the whole Sakaea train because of my two day findings.

[Tiinker]

My computer is recovering from a Trojan virus so I'll read up later -.-

[hotpocket2006]

And I am not over reacting to anything Red. All of your posts have said I am pretty much the scummiest person and you don't believe my reveal. *rolls eyes* There's nothing flippant and about your "suggestion". You even tried linking me to Tina. You are trying to cast true suspicion on me. There's no doubt about that in my mind.

 

And I don't know how you don't get the Saky was the mafia killer and killed ley because of being bussed. I saw it happen.

[Red2111]

Tina - thanks for compiling all that, and i agree that the last two quotes are suspicious. BG care to re-clarify what you meant or your intentions behind the "too many Rbers in the kitchen" comment

 

i see my memory was wrong then in the case of Song and i no longer think her reveal is as suspicious.

 

 

I assume I track who they ended up targeting, I asked Talya to clarify whether I track who they originally target or where they end up on their target. I got a big PAFO, like I already explained. So Leelou bussed Wombat and Ley. I tracked sakea on Ley because she targeted wombat but got bussed to Ley. And that's why Ley died.

 

Everyone was on wombat starting day 2, and I'm the one who started the whole Sakaea train because of my two day findings.

 

seems like from this info that you see who their action lands on in that case and not who they target then.

 

 

And I am not over reacting to anything Red. All of your posts have said I am pretty much the scummiest person and you don't believe my reveal. *rolls eyes* There's nothing flippant and about your "suggestion". You even tried linking me to Tina. You are trying to cast true suspicion on me. There's no doubt about that in my mind.

 

And I don't know how you don't get the Saky was the mafia killer and killed ley because of being bussed. I saw it happen.

 

song it wasnt a direct accusation, otherwise i wound have stated it as so. it was just me throwing out a posability to emphasis why i'm not taking the reveals (all except Des's) at face value. to show case that we have no clue whats really goign on behind the scenes.

 

 

underlined -> because 1- i have to take your word for it an i have no clue what your alignment is, and 2 - what do you mean you saw it. did you response say specifically Kae killed Ley or just that she targeted him because tehres a big difference there if it's only that she targetd him and you couldn't have known until her corner report that she was had a killing role.

[Red2111]

okay if ya'll don't want to examine the possability of the BD being scum, then this is all i got, and BG isn't going to like it; and neither is Tina.

 

 

Kae is the reason Ley was killed, then i agree the BD can't be scum because the kill was directed at Womby. i also agree that this clears Womby, Leelou, and Des as town. i agree if the BD isn't scum, then the RB is, which points to Tina and BG as possible scum.

 

another thing to point out is only 1 kill N2, which means either the SK was blocked; my guess, either jailed by Turin, targetted Wombat or targeted Ama.

 

this means theres a possability the SK is in Des's report from N2 as well as him catching the scum RBer; so i'm very happy with where the trains are in ths case *nods*

 

 

as others have said, Tina's posts are scummier, but BG's NA's are scummier in this scenario. \

 

N1: Desp hints at a power role and BG blocks him; if you weren't gonna use your NK on him, still a smart move, as it weakens the town. if Tina were scum i'd think her team would help her choose the target.

 

N2: the RB/NK combo on Wombat makes sense with his hint and wanting to kill him off.

 

N3: makes sense both as town and scum really; but if you thought she was scummy enough to block you wouldn't find a lynch on her silly imo. Tina's choice makes sense as town honestly.

 

 

but as i've stated before, imo RB is a good fake reveal for an SK. which also fits easily into why there was only 1 NK N2.

 

 

 

 

 

[bgrishinko]

That last post is pretty much what I've been assuming all this time, although you got my motivations wrong for the Desp and Leelou blocks.

 

Also, I only decided for sure to go after Tina when I learned we had a real jailer. Goes back to why yesterday too. Too many RBs in the kitchen. I was uncomfortable with the idea of 2 RBs, but 3 was too many imo. Des was obviously scummier, and I voted him accordingly, but kept Tina on the back burner. I hinted a few more times throughout the day I was a RB, but wanted to wait till we'd secured Kae before distracting people by revealing.

 

Learning we had a real jailer today basically opened that same can of worms for me.

 

As for why Kae would jump on my too many cooks comment, I don't know. I was FoSing them both.

[hotpocket2006]

Just to warn everyone I will not be here for like 6 days or so. Last mission in Iraq ftw!!!

[bgrishinko]

@song Woot Woot! Is it insensitive to say "Dont get 'sploded" in a situation like this?

[Turin Turambar]

Stay safe out there Song.

[hotpocket2006]

lmao!! Def not insensitive ^^

[hotpocket2006]

Thanks Turin!!

[hazelkrs1]

Checking in really quick from cruise - I targeted Wombat last night but got no results.

 

Vote Tina.

 

Don't see why everyone is so hesitant to make this plunge, Tina is pinging the hardest and 2 town RB's is extremely unlikely. Get out there and vote, peoples!

 

Also, I really wish Song would quit claiming credit for Sakaea's lynch I pressured everyone on my list to reveal, and Kae ended up slipping in her fake claim and we caught her on it. Your findings on Kae didn't really help us lynch her in any way imo. Either way be safe out there.

 

/still waiting on apology from Red and others who criticized my strategy of pressuring for reveals from those on my list

[Niniel]

Wait a minute. If Wombat selfprotected you should have seen him "visiting" himself, right?

[Niniel]

Why is my play scummy?

[Pantsonfire]

Wait a minute. If Wombat selfprotected you should have seen him "visiting" himself, right?

 

Interesting point, but technically you can't "visit" yourself. I'm not sure how it works in the game, but I think wombat is with himself most of the time lol

 

 

 

 

 

And I for one find Tina less 'scummy than BG. Pretty sure Tina is town & has only been defending herself.

[Amadine]

That's a lot of info to digest after a very long day at work LOL

 

So at the moment i am unsure of which direction to go, Tina, BG and Leelou are the strongest seeming leads, though Song, Red and Des still feel pingy. I'm not convinced on Des, but he is safe from my vote at the moment, despite the mafia god attitude - you are not going to get an apology - move on.

 

Red's playstyle feels a little different from normal, i'm not saying that make her scum, but i am still watching. Song has a little of the mafia god going on too, i really dislike the "I was responsible for outing such and such" type responses, again not saying she is scum but those who loudly take credit for a lynch ping loudly on my scumdar.

 

As for the BG/Tina scenario both are touting the ills of the other fairly loudly and i am unconvinced by both.

 

Leelou has admitted to being a Bus Driver - a town bus driver - a very uncommon role. I feel that Leelou may have driven her scum team mate with wombat in an attempt to clear him if viewed, and some other killing role was aimed at wombat and she inadvertently re-directed that kill to her team mate. I seem to remember one of my early games doing something similar by accident to a scum team mate, and then being coached by the remaining team members to use that as springboard to be assumed innocent. Can't help but think the same may be going on here :/

 

Just got a text to go have a coffee with my best friend so i will get back in here later tonight and make a decision on who to vote for.

[Niniel]

A watcher sees who targets someone. Wombat should have been seen targeting himself. Wombat, did you really protect yourself?

[Leelou]

I normally can tell when my sister is scummy. She is on my list for scummy things, but she is not sticking out as a top candidate. BG, I find the list of who you blocked to be more beneficial to the scum team.

 

I also wish everyone that is trying to discredit me would stop. I'm seriously putting you near the top of my scum list. My bus driving has gotten 2 mafia members killed and helped us with combined roles find a third one and most likely a fourth out of all of this mess from night 2.

 

 

Claimed roles

Des - watcher

Tina - role blocker

Leelou - bus driver

Wombat - inventor healer

Song - tracker

BG - role blocker

 

Roles unknown

Rey Turin

Tiinks

Amadine

Aiel Heart

Locke

Pants

Red

 

I needed a list that wasn't a mile long with other info.

 

[Amadine]

*raises eyebrow*

[Niniel]

Remember last night. Des saw a lot of people targeting Wombat although everyone was switched to Ley. But this night he didn´t see anyone targeting Wombat. If that is correct then Wombat didn´t target himself and no one tried to kill him. So the switch (if there was one) couldn´t cause Mmeesh death. Something is weird here. BG couldn´t have anything to do with it since I blocked him. (He can of course be mafia but he was not involved with the death.) Help me out here. Who is lying? Leelou? Wombat? Des?

 

Is it wrong for people to come out and reveal their roles to help clear it out? I have asked this before but I don´t think that anyone but Leelou answered. We have already killed three mafia members so we are good so far.

[bgrishinko]

I was a watcher once in a previous game and was told that if a Doc self protected, I wouldn't see any movement.

 

May not be the same here for Wombat, but I'm willing to believe it is.

[Red2111]

1. Des - Sam - Watcher

4. Tina - Superman - RB

6. Leelou - Bus Driver

9. Rey

10. Tiinks

11. Amadine

12. Wombat - Spiderman - Inventor Doc

13. Aiel Heart

14. Locke

16. Pants

17. Song - Tracker

19. Red

20. BG - Rogue - RB

 

Des's Findings

N1: blocked

N2: Wombat -> Blackhoof, Tina, Turin, Sakaea, BG, Leelou.

N3: Wombat -> no one

 

 

Song's Findings

N1: Kae -> Wombat

N2: Kae ->Ley

N3: BG -> targeted no one

 

 

Leelou's Targets:

N1: Red/Nol Ley1.0

N2: Wombat/Leyrann

N3: Meesh/Wombat

 

 

BG's Targets

N1: Des

N2: Wombat

N3: Leelou

 

 

Tina's Targets

N1: n/a

N2: Wombat

N3: BG

 

Wombats Protection

N1: Wombat

N2: Amadine

N3: Wombat

 

 

 

list is fully updated now.

 

 

i dunno if a doc self protecting would show up on his results, but if anything this afirms BG's story more than Tina's. if Tina had blocked BG then Leelou would have been seen visiting Wombat; as i trust Des 90% in this game, i'm very happy with my vote on Tina. i think she's the SK anyways; if anything i'm sure she now that she's the one lying abotu her role. Des has now been able to back up two of BG's NA claims imo.

 

of course this doesn't clear BG either, i'd be happy to switch to him as i think he's the scum RBer. so 6 in one hand and 1/2 a dozen in the other on these lynches for me.

 

 

 

Leelou has admitted to being a Bus Driver - a town bus driver - a very uncommon role. I feel that Leelou may have driven her scum team mate with wombat in an attempt to clear him if viewed, and some other killing role was aimed at wombat and she inadvertently re-directed that kill to her team mate. I seem to remember one of my early games doing something similar by accident to a scum team mate, and then being coached by the remaining team members to use that as springboard to be assumed innocent. Can't help but think the same may be going on here :/

 

where were you earlier yesturday while i was being hammered for this exact same theory!!

 

 

see ya'll, my first gut instinct wasn't o flamming far fetched

 

 

I also wish everyone that is trying to discredit me would stop. I'm seriously putting you near the top of my scum list. My bus driving has gotten 2 mafia members killed and helped us with combined roles find a third one and most likely a fourth out of all of this mess from night 2.

 

we're not trying to discredit you leelou, its just that all we have to go on is your word that your town and well in this game you really only trust a corners report 100%. as town i never mind when people are suspicious of my role/alignment claim because it's expected. espcailly without a finder to tell us your tellign the truth about being town.

 

 

and given that this situation boils down to two main possabilities, well honey you have a 50/50 shot of being town imo.

[Red2111]

two more things.

 

Song stay safe sweety. i'll tell ya liek i tell all my military buddys goign down range, come back home in one piece *snuggles*

 

 

also Des - your not gonna get an apology from me either. yeah you helped nailed a scum but you also outed out doc, and possibly a town BD. we were lucky this time in that there was alot of scum targetting him, ill admit that; but its a double edge sword and could have easily been nothing but town on that list as well.