[Light Vs Shadow] - HEROES AND VILLIANS MAFIA

[Sakaea]

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!!

 

I can't believe you guys are going to lynch both your finders. Yeah, it seemed/seems like I'm scrambling to keep from being lynched. Well, you know what? That's cus I am. We already lynched our finder, and now, because I tried to claim something other than finder, so the doc wouldn't have to protect me tonight, you're gonna lynch me anyway. The height of irony, that.

[bgrishinko]

Hmmmm, the plot thickens. Thank you for that BG. Happy Thanksgiving everyone, btw

 

I'm not defending you, I think your claims are worth bupkis

[Niniel]

Just wanted you to know that I´m sick so I won´t be on much. BG is claiming RB too, how interesting. I´m Superman.

[bgrishinko]

I'm Rogue.

[hazelkrs1]

Hmmmm, the plot thickens. Thank you for that BG. Happy Thanksgiving everyone, btw

 

I'm not defending you, I think your claims are worth bupkis

 

Eh? I didn't say you were defending me

 

Someone seems to have a bug up their pants...

[bgrishinko]

Ah, I thought when you said Thank You, you were implying that I was justifying your claim.

[Pantsonfire]

Eh? I didn't say you were defending me

 

Someone seems to have a bug up their pants...

 

 

Certainly not me, they'd be burnt to a crisp!

 

 

I'm not sure on the Sakaea vote atm and may not get the chance to check again and change my vote. Furthermore I haven't had the chance to re-read over the nights events. Has Turin cleared his name? I remember Tina managed to.

 

 

From what I can recall the case against Kae was cenered around a change in claim? Which is said to be because they were covering for a bigger role. It has happened before (Wombat), can we be sure that it can't happen again without someone being scum?

 

Unfortunately other than Kae I can't recall any major pings off the top of my head. So I'll vote Locke just to stay in the game, I don't expect anyone to follow.

[Aiel Heart]

Ok, just going to go through from the beginning just to remind myself of things and see what sticks out, as well as try to work out recent stuff. Ignore colors unless it’s bolded too, that’s just stuff for me.

 

Des:

Pretty much BG. Can we call a redo? All this joke voting and tomfoolery has probably made it extremely easy for scum to slip underneath radar... How about this.

 

Unvote. Vote No Lynch.

Still curious

 

Also is a huge town cheerleader, blahblahblah as stated before, and the early reveal

 

Okay, I'm just gonna say that during my reread I'm gaining a lot of info, and also becoming more and more convinced Poet isn't scum. This is mostly because I'm seeing more people that I'm suspicious of FOS'ing and voting for her. I urge everyone voting for her to please reconsider or reread. Blackhoof is another one I'm very wary of that stated earlier that he was okay with a poet lynch

wondering what caused this. He’s either sticking his neck out for someone else, which is, as Mawth demonstrated, a bad idea, or he’s drawing more attention to poet for some reason. Curious.

 

Pants:

Is finally serious. Took long enough. Still wondering why he was so silly for so long

 

Wombat:

FoS everyone not voting Maw.

 

Well that's a bit harsh we still have a whole day.

 

And you're wasting it.

Still makes me uneasy

 

We have 19 hours until deadline by my count. That isn't much time, especially on the weekend, so I am going to reveal now. I am an Inventor. I can give players items that give one-shot abilities. Last night I targeted myself and got a bulletproof vest. Talya would not tell me if it has been used or not (I asked as soon as I saw that there was no kill). I will continue to target myself for now in the hopes of getting an investigation item. Please do not lynch me.

 

Poet:

Didn’t think she was the hammer vote

 

Meesh:

Started off topic u conversation. Not really scummy, but distracting.

 

I actually just remembered (and went back to double-check) something else that bothered me about Poet--Ley's comment about random lynches and stuff reminded me. I haven't played with Poet much, but I believe she's been in enough games that she should know that if a "no lynch" vote is allowed, then if that's what is reached then there will be no kill. She claimed it would result in a random modkill when she was casting suspicion on Des. Just throwing that out there.

This stuck out to me before, but I just want to mention it now

In the WoT game that didn’t exactly count as a real game all of the mafia players who have played before feared a random modkill at night if no one reached the needed number of votes. Perhaps it is the case in some games and not others?

 

Kae

Didn’t really jump out to me early in the game when she did to other people

[Aiel Heart]

Now to focus on the knot stuff from last night:

I’m going to just go through and pretend like I’ve never read this before so I can make sure I remember everything clearly.

 

LEYRANN - CRUELLA DE VILLE - MAFIA (Goon) - IS DEAD

BLACKHOOF - HAN SOLO - TOWN (Hider) - IS DEAD

I would just like to say, that gave me one headache to work out and I will tell you at the end...why do I make things so complicated!!!!

And everyone is thrown into a state of panic.

Des especially seems frantic, and very scatterbrained. Feinted perhaps?

 

Does the mean we have a (vigilante?). Or is there another explanation for 2x ND?

I can feel a Rorschach coming on........

 

How many different killing roles are there?

 

@Pants the two deaths doesn't necessarily mean there's a vig, because most of the time the way the Hider works is that if they hide with a mafia they die either way. However the fact that a mafia died and not a townie could mean that there is a vig, or it could mean someone used a role to redirect the mafia kill to Leyrann.

 

I got a ton of results for tonight, I'm going to go ahead and put them all out on the line:

 

I watched Wombat last night, and here are the people who visited him:

 

Blackhoof, Tina, Turin, Sakaea, BG, and Leelou.

 

Since Blackhoof was the hider and visited wombat, but ended up dead, we could take this to mean wombat is mafia, but there are other possibilities I'll admit. Wombat could have been swapped with Leyrann with a bus driver, which would explain why Ley might have ended up dying. It seems someone else on that list is most likely a vig, or a SK. One of them is probably a bus driver, one of them I won't say what they do but I think I have a good idea because I think they used their NA on me last night, one probably.... I dunno my brain's starting to hurt. Uhm, one I would guess is prob some kind of investigative role... okay I'm done trying to figure out what all these people may do. We need some answers from them though.

 

Hooray for Despo the mega-watcher!

about the italics part--If a hider hides with mafia they end up dead?

by the wiki, any action directed at the Hider will fail. also, per wiki, the Hider only dies if they hide behind someone anti-town. hence Hoof hiding behind Wombat = Wombat being scum.

 

what i'm not following is this conclusion that Wombat was bussed because Ley ended up dead. Leys death isn't connected to the actions of a hider, as the hider doesn't act liek a bomb and take the scum with them; it's a passive death.

Ok, the first part answers my question so nevermind, and the second part is a possibility I want to keep in mind.

 

Switching a little bit, Tina confirms that she did indeed visit wombat, so that’s a little confirmation for Des’ list and role. Still don’t trust it entirely >.>

Ok, now the possibility of a bus came into play. I remember Leelou saying she was the bus driver and saying who she bussed later, but as previously stated I’m pretending like I’m reading this for the first time.

 

this is how a bus drive works

 

 

Sally is targeted by Jim, Joe and Shawn

 

David is targetd by Jim, Alan and Pete

 

 

Jim is the Bus Driver. this means that Alan & Petes night actions hit Sally and Joe & Shawns night actions hit David.

 

lets say Joe is a Watcher. Joe would assume Jim and Shawn's night actions effected Sally, but really they effected David.

Thank you. That helped immensely.

 

Des is pressing for everyone to explain themselves, which I suppose is natural, but still is somewhat shifty

 

For now, I will confirm that I visited Wombat, but I'm going to keep why/for what purpose to myself for now. I believe a reveal on my part would be detrimental right now.

Interesting

 

I'm the healer. Get off me. Targeted myself N1 and Amadine N2. Get off.

Wombat changes his story. He’s a healer now. Interestin.

 

For now, I will confirm that I visited Wombat, but I'm going to keep why/for what purpose to myself for now. I believe a reveal on my part would be detrimental right now.

 

I do not know Wombat's role. I do know he was not an inventor. He might well be the Doc and the inventor claim was just a smokescreen to hide behind.

 

How I know he was not inventor is related to my role. I still do not want to reveal that role. The smart players can probly already figure it out, but I am not looking to give it away.

 

Will you give us your name?

 

Ok, two hints at roles. Interesting.

 

As for the bold....Why does the name matter at all?

 

I haven´t seen LotR (and will never do)

 

EH?!?!?!

ditto

 

For now, I will confirm that I visited Wombat, but I'm going to keep why/for what purpose to myself for now. I believe a reveal on my part would be detrimental right now.

 

However, due to what all has happened, I believe Wombat's coroner report will help to clear a lot of the WIFOMs we have going on. So, Vote Wombat

 

UNVOTE, VOTE SAKEA I'd like to clear up something I got as my results last night. She didn't target womby last night. Or maybe that's where she started but ended up on someone else. But maybe it'll help clear the air on the suspicions I have on her.

either Kae or Song is pulling a pretty big lie

 

I'm Spiderman.

Spiderman=healer now?

 

I get a head ache of reading this. Talya said it was difficult herself. It´s obvious that Des saw us all visiting Wombat last night since no one has said they didn´t. But why did Blackhoof end up with Ley? Since there are many knots here I think I will reveal my role so that is clear. If mafia targets me tonight it doesn´t hurt town too much. I´m the town roleblocker. First night I didn´t block anyone. Last night I blocked Wombat. I did it because I would knew if he lied if he told us he had invented something. The thing is I don´t think there was a mafia nk last night. Why would they kill one of their own? And if it wasn´t a mafia kill why is that? Because I blocked the killer?

 

To me it looks like Wombat has made two fake claims. I read an old game thread a few days ago where he was part of the mafia and the qt just showed me how smart he is. If he was doc - was it smart to fake claim inventor? Has he contributed to anything today? Why would Spiderman be a healer? Can he heal? Again, I haven´t seen the movies so it´s an honest question.

 

On the other side - why would 7 townies visit him? I´m suspicious of Leelou and Sakaea. Now Song says that Sakaea didn´t visit Wombat last night. But she says she did and Des also says so. *sigh*

 

I should need to reread from the beginning but I don´t think I can manage that. If nothing else comes up I will probably vote Wombat again but we still have a lot of time to discuss it.

Bold parts--we have another “reveal”

And then we also don’t know what to believe.

Btw, that’s wrong. Des’ list didn’t have Song, and I don’t see her saying that she visited Wombat either. She seems to have visited Kae instead.

Kae and Des’ stories seem to match, and what Song says throws a wrench in that.

 

I did visit Wombat. And since without revealing why I visited him, this is going to go nowhere, I'm a Jailkeeper. Whoever I visit is protected from kills and is also roleblocked.

So Song, please explain your suspicions. I did indeed send my action in on Wombat. I was not informed of being redirected.

Another reveal. Wombat would be protected from any actions and prevented from doing anything.

 

Wombat fake claimed inventor, and now is claiming the doc,

Des is apparently a watcher, or is being fed info from a mafia team mate.

Song is claiming that Kae didn't really visit wombat although Kae again says she did.

BG and Leelou have not really had much to say. I would like to hear from them.

Thank you for summarizing that for me

 

Wombat, you must feel very special to have so many people visit you in 1 night. I am the bus driver. I felt Nol/Ley was scummier than Wombat and I figured with Wombat's claim if he wasn't scum someone would try to kill him. I didn't realize so many people would target Wombat. I'm sorry if this is rushed, but I have to go to an interview in a few minutes. I just didn't want everyone hanging here and saying that I'm laying low. I will answer questions later when I have time.

Interesting. Now is this true? (I HATE TO BE QUESTIONING YOU--Mawth and Ley, if you’re still reading this FEEL BLAMED!!!!!) Certainly is convenient if this is true. I recall her saying she didn’t want to reveal earlier too....

 

Turin’s being sly. I am also wondering this question though:

I have a question: if someone is jailed can they then be bussed? Kae claims to have jailed Wombat last night but Leelou claims to have bussed him with Ley. Is that a Mod call as to which would happen or does the actions that would have gone to Wombat go to Ley but the actions that would have gone to Ley not go to Wombat?

 

Still, lots of breadcrumbing from him in many of his posts lately.

 

I got you targeting Ley last night Sakaea, which is why you are either lying through your teeth, or something was screwed up. I asked the mod to clarify, but I got a big PAFO.

 

Song says Kae targeted Ley which made her end up on Wombat due to Leelou’s bus

Kae says she did her action on Wombat, and she wouldn't have known about being driven at the time so she couldn’t have just been going with that or something.

Still someone lying here. Who, and to what end?

 

I think maybe Song saw who you ended up on while Des saw the people who targeted me and ended up on Ley. Leelou as a town bus driver actually makes a lot of sense. If that's true, then I think the mafia tried to NK me and I think that Sakaea was the one who submitted. If Sakaea jailed me, it should have gone to Leyrann and Leyrann shouldn't have died. Therefore I think Sakaea is the LLL mafia NK submitter.

A possibility... Something still doesn’t seem to click

 

which I think you tageted ley, but got bussed and ended up on wombat. *shrugs* because Ley wouldn't have died if you jailkept him.

Good point

 

Des found Blackhoof with Wombat but he died with Ley. Des found Sakaea with Wombat but Song saw her with Ley.

Restating

 

I too, want Leelou to explain. Cus I am not lying, I did send in my NA on Wombat. My best guess atm, is I sent my NA in before Leelou, and that affected how things went down.

I don’t think order would matter....

 

Ok, so the way this worked is the whole lot of us, including Des targeted Wombat. I also targeted Ley to switch them. Actions were switched. Everyone who targeted Wombat actually targeted Ley. The reason Song is seeing Kae as targeting Ley is because she was driven to Ley from Wombat whom she targeted.

Something seems off with this off with this too

[Aiel Heart]

Sorry dm was angry with me for quoting so much so I needed to split it up :P

 

Ok, just a little update for me:

Wombat: faked inventor, now is faking being a healer. Apparently targeted himself the first night and Amadine the second night

Des:[u/] claims to be town watcher, and says that he saw Blackhoof, Tina, Turin, Sakaea, BG, and Leelou visit Wombat

Song: says Kae targeted Ley which made her end up on Wombat in Des’ view due to Leelou’s bus

Kae: says she is a Jailkeeper (who would stop night actions and prevent death) and that she did her action on Wombat.

Turin: is hinting at some important role which allowed him to know that Wombat wasn’t inventor yesterday. It apparently wasn’t some sort of role-reveal action because he isn’t sure if Wombat is lying about the doc role. Later states that this role is not investigative.

Leelou: says that she switched Wombat and Ley. Therefore, it seems Hoof was hiding behind Wombat originally (I wish he would have confirmed this), all of the people who looked at Wombat actually saw Ley, and whatever happened, Ley ended up dead instead of Wombat and Hoof ended up dead too.

 

I stand by what I said, I targeted Wombat. So unless someone targeted me and messed up my NA somehow, I have no explanation as to why Ley died. Cus you all are right, if I was driven to Ley, wouldn't Ley and Hoof both be still alive?

 

The only way you are telling the truth is if you were role blocked... I still like my vote.

 

 

Also I tracked Sakaea the first night too, and she went after wombat, which is what made me check her again because wombat revealed his "bullet proof vest" and no one died that night. Also wombat did you get an action failed either night? Jailkeeping role blocks someone, and normally mods will tell someone that their action failed if they are roleblocked.

 

It is possible that she was role blocked, and this is also assuming that Leelou’s tellng the truth. A lot is being launched off of the assumption that she’s telling the truth (this game is killing me!!!!) I can’t think of why she wouldn’t be, except for some complicated mafia sceme

 

Des, my role is not investigative. I doubted Wombat's claim for my own reasons which I have stated already. I now am highly doubtful of Sakaea's claim. I don't see how she could be a jailer, have targeted Wombat, been driven and yet Ley died. It does not make sense.

 

We know she did target Wombat based on your result

We know she was driven along with everyone else who targeted Wombat based on Hoof dying due to being driven to Ley.

We know Ley died also. This should not have happened if she was a jailer.

 

Unvote: Vote Sakaea

 

Which leads to another question, Who blocked and/or protected you N1 Des?

The only thing we truly “know” is that last point.

Good question to ask still.

Turin claims a non-investigative role which allows him to know that Wombat was not the inventor

 

You guys, I didn't wanna have to do this....I was a retired cop. When Poet was lynched, I became the new Finder. I was told that I could target someone each night, and if I picked the same person as the Finder I would also get the results. Obviously, I got no results.

I picked Jailer as a claim because I thought it would work, to keep me safe, and to hopefully net scum. Apparently I didn't think it through well enough, due to the fact that apparently, I still don't get how a bus driver role works. *rolls eyes*

 

I targeted Wombat N1 and N2, because it failed N1, and I wanted to know what he was, and he got quite a few votes yester-game-day as well. I'm still in the dark, except for his claim.

 

I'm sure you all have questions now...ask away.

 

well FoS for not researching roles before claiming one.

You were not Finder N1. Poet still was alive. Mawth was killed day one. How did you target Wombat N1 if you were not yet Finder?

 

Wait... You also said this...

@ Des: Yes, I did target you N1. You're welcome, LOL

 

Here it is.

 

Got you.

Can’t wriggle out of that one. How did no one else catch that?

 

Vote Kae (I know that isn’t needed now but... :P )

 

In other news,

 

I'll say this though, Song's claim, since it wasn't pressured or really necessary, seems that much more believable, which made it so that Turin couldn't claim it. Still wondering why Turin is pussy-footing around with the role claim that much, especially after painfully and excrutiatingly bullying my character name out of me

Indeed....

 

Amadine is much more involved today...

 

DAY 3 Vote

 

Sakaea (6): Song, Wombat, BG, Turin, Des, meesh

 

Wombat (1): Red, Tiinks, Tina,Turin, Des,Song, Sakaea

 

Turin(1): Tiinks

 

Tina (1): Sakaea

 

BG (0): Des

 

Tina (0): Des

 

With 16 players left it takes 9 to lynch. You have 38 hours left

Des changed his vote many times today. Just saying

 

I still think think Tina's claim of RB for town has some bad juice in it and deserves a second look. I don't doubt it happened, but I severely doubt the alignment.

 

You see, I am a RB as well, and I don't believe there would be 2 town RBs. As such, Tina is top of my list after today.

Interesting. Remember this later.

Remind me, my brain’s about to quit, what’s an RB?

 

Ok, so, I’m still suspicious of Des, and of Wombat, Turin is acting weird, watching both BG and Tina, to figure out what’s going on there, caught Kae in a lie so I’m voting for her, and there’s been input from other people, but it seems like many aren’t voting or showing up at all today, so it’s possible our Mafia is just lying low and waiting for all of us who are playing to kill eachother.

[Aiel Heart]

What the.... Reposting that with the color correct.... Thought looking at the coding it should have been correct.... Will just bold that part for myself instead

 

Ok, just a little update for me:

Wombat: faked inventor, now is faking being a healer. Apparently targeted himself the first night and Amadine the second night

Des:[u/] claims to be town watcher, and says that he saw Blackhoof, Tina, Turin, Sakaea, BG, and Leelou visit Wombat

Song: says Kae targeted Ley which made her end up on Wombat in Des’ view due to Leelou’s bus

Kae: says she is a Jailkeeper (who would stop night actions and prevent death) and that she did her action on Wombat.

Turin: is hinting at some important role which allowed him to know that Wombat wasn’t inventor yesterday. It apparently wasn’t some sort of role-reveal action because he isn’t sure if Wombat is lying about the doc role. Later states that this role is not investigative.

Leelou: says that she switched Wombat and Ley. Therefore, it seems Hoof was hiding behind Wombat originally (I wish he would have confirmed this), all of the people who looked at Wombat actually saw Ley, and whatever happened, Ley ended up dead instead of Wombat and Hoof ended up dead too.

 

I stand by what I said, I targeted Wombat. So unless someone targeted me and messed up my NA somehow, I have no explanation as to why Ley died. Cus you all are right, if I was driven to Ley, wouldn't Ley and Hoof both be still alive?

 

The only way you are telling the truth is if you were role blocked... I still like my vote.

 

 

Also I tracked Sakaea the first night too, and she went after wombat, which is what made me check her again because wombat revealed his "bullet proof vest" and no one died that night. Also wombat did you get an action failed either night? Jailkeeping role blocks someone, and normally mods will tell someone that their action failed if they are roleblocked.

 

It is possible that she was role blocked, and this is also assuming that Leelou’s tellng the truth. A lot is being launched off of the assumption that she’s telling the truth (this game is killing me!!!!) I can’t think of why she wouldn’t be, except for some complicated mafia sceme

 

Des, my role is not investigative. I doubted Wombat's claim for my own reasons which I have stated already. I now am highly doubtful of Sakaea's claim. I don't see how she could be a jailer, have targeted Wombat, been driven and yet Ley died. It does not make sense.

 

We know she did target Wombat based on your result

We know she was driven along with everyone else who targeted Wombat based on Hoof dying due to being driven to Ley.

We know Ley died also. This should not have happened if she was a jailer.

 

Unvote: Vote Sakaea

 

Which leads to another question, Who blocked and/or protected you N1 Des?

The only thing we truly “know” is that last point.

Good question to ask still.

Turin claims a non-investigative role which allows him to know that Wombat was not the inventor

 

You guys, I didn't wanna have to do this....I was a retired cop. When Poet was lynched, I became the new Finder. I was told that I could target someone each night, and if I picked the same person as the Finder I would also get the results. Obviously, I got no results.

I picked Jailer as a claim because I thought it would work, to keep me safe, and to hopefully net scum. Apparently I didn't think it through well enough, due to the fact that apparently, I still don't get how a bus driver role works. *rolls eyes*

 

I targeted Wombat N1 and N2, because it failed N1, and I wanted to know what he was, and he got quite a few votes yester-game-day as well. I'm still in the dark, except for his claim.

 

I'm sure you all have questions now...ask away.

 

well FoS for not researching roles before claiming one.

You were not Finder N1. Poet still was alive. Mawth was killed day one. How did you target Wombat N1 if you were not yet Finder?

 

Wait... You also said this...

@ Des: Yes, I did target you N1. You're welcome, LOL

 

Here it is.

 

Got you.

Can’t wriggle out of that one.

 

Vote Kae (I know that isn’t needed now but... :P )

 

In other news,

 

I'll say this though, Song's claim, since it wasn't pressured or really necessary, seems that much more believable, which made it so that Turin couldn't claim it. Still wondering why Turin is pussy-footing around with the role claim that much, especially after painfully and excrutiatingly bullying my character name out of me

Indeed....

 

Amadine is much more involved today...

 

DAY 3 Vote

 

Sakaea (6): Song, Wombat, BG, Turin, Des, meesh

 

Wombat (1): Red, Tiinks, Tina,Turin, Des,Song, Sakaea

 

Turin(1): Tiinks

 

Tina (1): Sakaea

 

BG (0): Des

 

Tina (0): Des

 

With 16 players left it takes 9 to lynch. You have 38 hours left

Des changed his vote many times today. Just saying

 

I still think think Tina's claim of RB for town has some bad juice in it and deserves a second look. I don't doubt it happened, but I severely doubt the alignment.

 

You see, I am a RB as well, and I don't believe there would be 2 town RBs. As such, Tina is top of my list after today.

Interesting. Remember this later.

Remind me, my brain’s about to quit, what’s an RB?

 

Ok, so, I’m still suspicious of Des, and of Wombat, Turin is acting weird, watching both BG and Tina, to figure out what’s going on there, caught Kae in a lie so I’m voting for her, and there’s been input from other people, but it seems like many aren’t voting or showing up at all today, so it’s possible our Mafia is just lying low and waiting for all of us who are playing to kill eachother.

[Aiel Heart]

And the part that's huge I wanted you guys to look at but I forgot to add the sizing the second time I pasted. Know it doesn't matter now, but just in case some of you weren't swayed.

 

Sorry about that fuchsia mess guys :P

[Aiel Heart]

shoot the entire thing bolded too... Sorry guys coding got messed up in there. Just try to figure things out. Would make it easier for you, but I can't edit :P

[mmeeshal]

I actually just remembered (and went back to double-check) something else that bothered me about Poet--Ley's comment about random lynches and stuff reminded me. I haven't played with Poet much, but I believe she's been in enough games that she should know that if a "no lynch" vote is allowed, then if that's what is reached then there will be no kill. She claimed it would result in a random modkill when she was casting suspicion on Des. Just throwing that out there.

This stuck out to me before, but I just want to mention it now

In the WoT game that didn’t exactly count as a real game all of the mafia players who have played before feared a random modkill at night if no one reached the needed number of votes. Perhaps it is the case in some games and not others?

I just wanted to clarify this, because I think you're misunderstanding--and I'm sure other people might be, too.

 

Your scenario is correct--if a majority is not reached, usually the mod will randomly kill off one or more players, whether voters or nonvoters at the time.

 

However, what I was talking about is the vote for "No Lynch." If it is accepted in a game, as in, if a mod will count it, then a majority reaching No Lynch will NOT result in a random kill, because the town is agreeing not to lynch someone for the day.

 

The random modkill is a result of the players being unwilling/unable to come to an agreement on who to lynch by the stated deadline, and is placed to give people incentive to try and actively scumhunt instead of sitting and going... "Oh, I don't feel like trying, let's wait till we have more info or something...."

 

However, if the players choose to go into a night phase with a No Lynch, they are all agreeing, for whatever reason, that they want to wait and see what Night brings before proceeding to lynch someone.

 

Not every mod counts it, but since Talya apparently does, I was pointing out that Des could not have been trying to get a random modkill by voting No Lynch. That is not what a No Lynch vote does. Most people don't like No Lynch because of how little info it gives us.

 

/end tutorial. XD

[hotpocket2006]

An RB is a roleblocker AH.

[Aiel Heart]

Thank you and thank you :)

[Pantsonfire]

1320781438[/url]' post='2027246']

2) Allplayers must post at least once in game day, unless they have submitted an LoAwith the Over Lord

 

 

Revised the rules on my break at work. Don't have to vote every day, just post....

 

As I said I'm not fully convinced about Sakaea, but don't have time to build a case against anyone else, or read through the evidence against. Sorry Kae that also means I can't substantiate any defenCe of you.

 

Lol my device now auto corrects defence to defenCe

 

Unvote

 

 

 

 

1322191333[/url]' post='2050634']

Pants:

Is finally serious. Took long enough. Still wondering why he was so silly for so long

 

Pants is a quirky young man.....

 

 

 

[hazelkrs1]

@ AH's posts

 

Erm AH I wanna help as much as possible in getting you more comfortable with mafia, I'm not sure where to begin though lol. There's definitely a lot of questions you have there that can be answered fairly easily however.

 

A hider gets to hide with one person every night. When hiding, they are unable to be targeted. If they hide with a townie, they survive, so their role is one which can possibly vet (vet=verify) other townies, but if they hide with a mafia member they die. Normally, town has to just try and figure out who they might have hid with if they die in this manner, unless they reveal before then and say who they're hiding with.

 

With the Song/Sakaea situation, neither of them had to be lying; Song was slightly confused there. Song is a tracker, and can target one person a night and see who they targeted. Her results said Kae targeted Ley, but this is because Wombat and Ley were "driven", meaning they were swapped for the night and anyone who targeted Wombat would end up actually targeting Ley. So Sakaea targeted Wombat but ended up being redirected to Ley, which is what Song ended up seeing.

 

As for my role, it's somewhat silly to doubt at this point hehe. Way too many things have come out to help verify my results. You're not the only one who's still doubting it though, which kind of baffles me tbh. Turin also has his doubts about my role, but since you and him are both new I think you're both just using generous amounts of paranoia, which is good in mafia. BG on the other hand is still doubting it apparently, which is strange considering he's an experienced player. Perhaps he's just skeptical of my alignment, not my role, but I'm still very suspicious of him. I think he is also trying to lead others to question the results of my investigations so the evidence doesn't look as damning.

 

Erm, then we have the whole "town cheerleader" thing. What you're essentially talking about is considered the "too town" argument, which states that someone is trying so hard to convince everyone of their "townness" with their behavior that they must be scum. This is generally considered a very weak scumhunting tool, however, mainly for one reason: There's no reason why anyone wouldn't want to look town in a mafia game, with the one exception of perhaps a Jester (who wins if they get lynched). One of the reasons I stand out more though is because I try to be very active in the scumhunt, but this hardly seems like a reason to lynch someone. I could alter my playstyle and lurk more and not try as hard to bag scum, but this seems ludicrous to me; if I'm town I want to win, and to me the easiest way to win is to be as active as I can in scumhunts.

 

Meesh already covered the No Lynch thing, and Song covered the RB, erm what else... oh, you say you're voting for Kae because she lied, but if she was trying to sell us on a Jailer role to help protect her "actualy role" as a backup cop, of course she would lie and say she targeted me the first night because this would seem to confirm her role. In other words, it's not really a great idea to lynch someone if they were lying only in order to protect a town power role. It would be like lynching Wombat because he lied, even though he was trying to hide the fact that he was the healer. This isn't defense of Sakaea btw, I find a lot of other things about her reveal to be untrustworthy in general which is why I'm voting for her, I just want you to know for future reference. You are asking a lot of good questions btw, I like how you brought up how Amadine all of a sudden is more active in the game.

[Amadine]

Apparently i am damned if i do post and damned if i don't post </sarcasm>

 

For those who are not aware - i live in Australia so my time zone does not align with when most of you are posting, i am a mother of 2 (8 & 12) and work full-time (40+ hrs/week) managing a very busy truck stop - sometimes i can be more involved through posting from my phone, other times i just don't have time and am only on my computer of an evening. I choose not to partake in heavy spamming and often become more active as a game progresses. I don't like to post just for the sake of posting but will share my thoughts/suspicions if i feel they are valid. I play this way every game regardless of alignment and those who have played many games with me will know that.

 

I know this will appear defensive but i have been accused of inactivity a lot in recent games and now i'm "all of a sudden more active" it's frustrating, especially as this is becoming a more common accusation at DM on the whole, and makes me consider whether i even want to play any more, which is incredibly disappointing as DM was my introduction to the game of mafia and i truly do love it.

 

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[Pantsonfire]

Does this come up as 'SONG' to any one else?

 

 

My =P emote has been replace by song's avatar

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[Pantsonfire]

1322216365[/url]' post='2050813']

Apparently i am damned if i do post and damned if i don't post </sarcasm>

 

For those who are not aware - i live in Australia so my time zone does not align with when most of you are posting, i am a mother of 2 (8 & 12) and work full-time (40+ hrs/week) managing a very busy truck stop - sometimes i can be more involved through posting from my phone, other times i just don't have time and am only on my computer of an evening. I choose not to partake in heavy spamming and often become more active as a game progresses. I don't like to post just for the sake of posting but will share my thoughts/suspicions if i feel they are valid. I play this way every game regardless of alignment and those who have played many games with me will know that.

 

I know this will appear defensive but i have been accused of inactivity a lot in recent games and now i'm "all of a sudden more active" it's frustrating, especially as this is becoming a more common accusation at DM on the whole, and makes me consider whether i even want to play any more, which is incredibly disappointing as DM was my introduction to the game of mafia and i truly do love it.

 

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Not verifying her as town or anything but the only reason I get to be active in the same time zone is because my sleeping patterns are screeeeeewed (not just because of DM btw). And I do use my phone/portable device to post 80% of the time.

 

 

Ps Amadine, if you have an i-device the app 'IP boards' is useful lol

 

 

[Pantsonfire]

Also with such a high percentage of the remaining players voting Kae, I think you need to question: are the mafia jumping onto this train because they want Sakaea out, are they not jumping on the train and are made up of those who haven't voted, or have they just resigned to lose one of their players as so not trying to defend Kae.

 

Again no time to read, my bus is late =\

 

 

Though I reckon if I had compiled all of these moments of posting into reading I might be able to give you something with references.....

[Niniel]

Waiting for the deadline...

 

BG - who is Rouge? I don´t know what to believe about your claim. I thought I have seen a connection between you and Sakaea for a long time but it would be weired to try to save her this late. Could there be two role blockers? I haven´t seen it before. The town seem to have a lot of great roles so I wonder what roles mafia could have. Maybe it´s to our disadvantage that we have roleblocker(s)and busdriver etc. They often hurt town even if they are town themselves.

[Amadine]

Pants - i have an Android phone but i will look for an app - though i usually just access DM on the mobile version through the browser on my phone.

 

 

So after re-reading Day 3...

 

Roleclaims so far:

 

Des = Watcher

Wombat = Inventor Doctor

Sakaea = Jailkeeper Backup Finder

Leelou = Bus Driver

Tina = Roleblocker

BG = Roleblocker

Song = Tracker

 

Turin has thrown semi-reveals into several posts, claiming to have valuable night actions, yet not revealing what those actions are, despite being called on his soft-reveals, is highly suspicious. I think he needs looking at on Day 4.

 

And for now... *waits for deadline*

[Tiinker]

Waiting for the deadline...

 

BG - who is Rouge? I don´t know what to believe about your claim. I thought I have seen a connection between you and Sakaea for a long time but it would be weired to try to save her this late. Could there be two role blockers? I haven´t seen it before. The town seem to have a lot of great roles so I wonder what roles mafia could have. Maybe it´s to our disadvantage that we have roleblocker(s)and busdriver etc. They often hurt town even if they are town themselves.

 

Think he means Rogue from X Men