(ADVANCED) Naruto Mafia GAME OVER!

[bgrishinko]

Aye. Neither do I. To each his own, but it is still bad meta.

[Blackhoof]

i disagree. to be fully supportive of a LOOONG day 1 one minute and happy wiht a 3-day day 1 the next?

 

scummy methinks

[WWWwombat]

Day 1 doesn't need to be terribly long imo

 

hmmmmm

 

does anyone else see this as styrange that Nolder is championing a short day one... when in the game heis modding now he gave 2 weeks to the players for Day 1?

 

vote Nolder for his sudden change in opinion

 

FOS @ John and Reyoru for drawing attention away from Nolder's comment

 

I don't see it as strange at all. Nolder's game is a basic game. This is an advanced game. Think on the differences.

[John McClane]

Day 1 doesn't need to be terribly long imo

 

hmmmmm

 

does anyone else see this as styrange that Nolder is championing a short day one... when in the game heis modding now he gave 2 weeks to the players for Day 1?

 

vote Nolder for his sudden change in opinion

 

FOS @ John and Reyoru for drawing attention away from Nolder's comment

 

To set the record straight, I am the first one that pointed out Nolder's comment as scummy. Rey then launched his contrived case on me. Nothing has been swept under the rug though, It is entirely possible for multiple topics to be discussed at once.

[Locke]

because we can just lynch someone and get it over with instead of trying to eke out every minute piece of information and pretending like that's actually going to justify killing someone off this early

 

the truth is, unless someone is terrible at this game we're not going to find scum because they're scum on day 1

if we get scum it'll be through luck

so I see no reason to make this a long and frustrating day 1

let's start a couple trains and lynch someone so we can get some real and reliable info

 

Meh, this is the scummiest thing I've seen so far. Does nothing but downplay the importance of Day 1 and support throwing out a random lynch. The longer Day One is, the more the Town is benefited because greater time equals more posts, equals more interactions, equals more information, equals lynching scum later in the game. If we throw down a random lynch, plop down, and wait for Day Two, then we're not much beyond where we started which would make scum very happy.

 

Bolded: But that is what we are trying to do! And it is directly contradicted by the italicized.

 

Vote Nolder

 

That is all for now. Have nice days everyone. ^^

[amegakure]

The shinobi gather together and cautiously stood within arms leanth of each other. Kowing in their hearts, no their souls that the infiltration had taken place. The mission had just changed.. they were no longer intercepting the enemy but savings their own lives. The fear was taking hold of them though, no one knew who was who and the extremeness of the situation left them void of spirit and individuality so no one could even find comfort in suspicons of who their friends were. Heated debate arose around the topics of which one of the cloaked figures were the enemy, others wondered if they would make it to their check point in time. They would need to arrive in 1 to 2 days and depending on the tension, decided what to do about the enemies at their heart.

[mmeeshal]

Hey, Eebs, I hope you're still online, because you already have a vote in place and this one doesn't count unless you unvote.

[amegakure]

@mmeeshal very good!

[Blackhoof]

I assume that scene heralds the 5 hour warning.

[SBoydW]

I was getting ready to be all like "yo mod were my vote at?" then I realized I forgot to unvote...

 

Unvote. Vote: Rey For the same reasoning.

[Matty boii]

All this is a lot to think about :P... Will I get lynched if I ask what 'scum' (in Mafia) is supposed to mean. Is it a role or? Furthermore I am considering changing my vote to Blackhoof, ahaha sorry Hoof but I just think you're jumping to conclusions all too quickly?

[John E. Kelley]

FoS at Hoof for not reading between the lines on ModGod's flavor post. We have a day or two obviously.

FoS at Soy for not knowing who he's voting for. Really?

FoS at Locke for calling Nol out on stating what everyone else votes for on a regular basis.

[John E. Kelley]

@Corrosive:

 

Scum is a generic term for Mafia usually. In an advanced game such as this one, it can at any time refer to any anti-town role, cult and so-forth, should cult be involved in this case.

[Blackhoof]

FoS at Hoof for not reading between the lines on ModGod's flavor post. We have a day or two obviously.

FoS at Soy for not knowing who he's voting for. Really?

FoS at Locke for calling Nol out on stating what everyone else votes for on a regular basis.

 

Oh heh, missed that part

[SBoydW]

FoS at Hoof for not reading between the lines on ModGod's flavor post. We have a day or two obviously.

FoS at Soy for not knowing who he's voting for. Really?FoS at Locke for calling Nol out on stating what everyone else votes for on a regular basis.

 

FoS at you for FoSing me over something that everyone has done at somepoint or another. See I can FoS too.

[Nolder]

To this point in the game, I've seen only one post that resonated as a role hint - and it was Nolder's post. The one we agreed was scummy. Yet, I wonder since you are so sensitive to it, how you missed him do it, yet accuse me of doing it when you've seen no examples of it.

May I ask in what way my post seemed to be a role hint?

I may have forgotten (I haven't reread yet) but I don't recall you mentioning this before

 

Day 1 doesn't need to be terribly long imo

 

hmmmmm

 

does anyone else see this as styrange that Nolder is championing a short day one... when in the game heis modding now he gave 2 weeks to the players for Day 1?

 

vote Nolder for his sudden change in opinion

 

FOS @ John and Reyoru for drawing attention away from Nolder's comment

that's some nice meta there

it's too bad the two situations are entirely unrelated

in that game I am a mod

in this game I am a player

 

because we can just lynch someone and get it over with instead of trying to eke out every minute piece of information and pretending like that's actually going to justify killing someone off this early

 

the truth is, unless someone is terrible at this game we're not going to find scum because they're scum on day 1

if we get scum it'll be through luck

so I see no reason to make this a long and frustrating day 1

let's start a couple trains and lynch someone so we can get some real and reliable info

 

Meh, this is the scummiest thing I've seen so far. Does nothing but downplay the importance of Day 1 and support throwing out a random lynch. The longer Day One is, the more the Town is benefited because greater time equals more posts, equals more interactions, equals more information, equals lynching scum later in the game. If we throw down a random lynch, plop down, and wait for Day Two, then we're not much beyond where we started which would make scum very happy.

 

Bolded: But that is what we are trying to do! And it is directly contradicted by the italicized.

 

Vote Nolder

 

That is all for now. Have nice days everyone. ^^

I think many of you are misunderstanding so I'll reply to this post to address all of you on the matter

I'm not saying we shouldn't spend a reasonable amount of time on Day 1

I just don't want to play in a frustratingly long Day 1

this is for several reasons

1. like I just said it's frustrating

I don't want to spend a month arguing about the same minute details for a month

and this is a real possibility due to low activity in mafia games which has been on the rise since I joined DM not too long ago

 

2. I'm in two advanced games at once and modding my own basic game

I may have overextended myself but for now I'm able to manage it

however I'd like to not get so bogged down in rereading 50 pages worth of Day 1 material later that it becomes too big of a chore to handle

could I just not reread? yeah sure

but I'd like to

I want to give these games the full attention and care they deserve but if things get too long I might not be able to

 

3. Here on DM and elsewhere I've noticed a trend on Day 1 mafia

most people aren't willing to make a stand

people will random/joke vote and form small trains

but as soon as someone says "I don't like this train forming" people back off and try to placate the naysayers

this is a mistake

it's ok to a degree but at some point you have to say "well why not this guy? he's as good as anyone else isn't he?" and keep your vote and build those trains

people take an extremely long time to get to this point because they're afraid I think

so yes I'm trying to put a little backbone into people as well so we don't vote/train hop all day long

 

are these good reasons? to me yes

they're selfish reasons I'll admit

I want to keep my games manageable and timely and I don't want to get frustrated

I'm sorry if you feel like I was trying to rush the Day

I assure you that is not my intent

like I said to John, perhaps I spoke too soon

I was just anxious I suppose

[Nolder]

All this is a lot to think about :P... Will I get lynched if I ask what 'scum' (in Mafia) is supposed to mean. Is it a role or?

Scum is one of those words that can have multiple meanings

to me "Scum" means "not aligned with Town", it's important to note that I include "neutral" third parties such as survivors in that (most people just mean malicious third parties like serial killers and cultists)

however people can and will use it to mean the Mafia specifically at times

[John McClane]

Scummy Nolder seems scummy.

 

That whole dissertation up there ^^^ seems like a lot of back-tracking. I suppose he could be sincere, but I trust my gut read on his earlier post more than I trust the over-explanation of "what he really meant".

 

The way I see it, Nolder was pushing an agenda to carelessly lynch on D1, discouraging over-analysis of dialgue, and at the same time breadcrumbing some sort of investigative role.

 

Below he does a couple things, which I have flagged as a "tell" for the purposes of breadcrumbing so he can role-claim later in the game. He urges us to rush through D1, and says "so we can get to some real and reliable info". If that isn't a blatant finder tell, I don't know what is... now I ask this, WHY would the real finder make a comment like this? They wouldn't. That is why I can only assume he's scum setting up a false finder claim for later. That is my read on his play.

 

(And to Nolder, I pointed out part of why I thought you were scummy earlier - and held back on my thoughts regarding the role hint, until I had thoroughly thought out the reasons why you might have done it. I just can't imagine a scenario where you do this, as a legit town role.)

 

because we can just lynch someone and get it over with instead of trying to eke out every minute piece of information and pretending like that's actually going to justify killing someone off this early

 

the truth is, unless someone is terrible at this game we're not going to find scum because they're scum on day 1

if we get scum it'll be through luck

so I see no reason to make this a long and frustrating day 1

let's start a couple trains and lynch someone so we can get some real and reliable info

 

I'll take my OMGUS vote off of Rey, I kind of convinced myself he was coming at me because I was onto Nolder. As I pointed out to Rey, it makes more sense to lynch scummy Nolder first - and then assess the players potentially making plays off of Nolder.

Unvote

Vote Nolder

[Nolder]

aw hell

I'm not even going to get into this

you got me John

I'm the doctor and I was in fact breadcrumbing an investigative role like you said

I guess I was too obvious about it

it bothers me that if you consider me a bad player (you made a comment earlier, no offense taken) that you'd point all this out instead of realizing this could possibly just be a bad play by an amateur cop/tracker/watcher/whatever

regardless your instincts were correct

good job

[amegakure]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

BG (1) keyholder

rey (2) red,soy

levity (1) nolder

corrosive stare (1) cosmic panda

cosmic panda (1) corrosive,

red (1) , ishy

locke (1) locke

john (1) rey

nolder (2) blackhoof, john

Hoof (1) bg

 

16 alive, 9 to lynch.

 

 

still waiting on one person to check in. Could be replaced shortly.

[John McClane]

aw hell

I'm not even going to get into this

you got me John

I'm the doctor and I was in fact breadcrumbing an investigative role like you said

I guess I was too obvious about it

it bothers me that if you consider me a bad player (you made a comment earlier, no offense taken) that you'd point all this out instead of realizing this could possibly just be a bad play by an amateur cop/tracker/watcher/whatever

regardless your instincts were correct

good job

 

You breadcrumb finder, then reveal as doctor with what... 2 votes? I don't like this at all.

 

The sanctimonious bit about whether I think you are a good player is completely irrelevant, and comes across as an emo play.

[Reyoru]

aw hell

I'm not even going to get into this

you got me John

I'm the doctor and I was in fact breadcrumbing an investigative role like you said

I guess I was too obvious about it

it bothers me that if you consider me a bad player (you made a comment earlier, no offense taken) that you'd point all this out instead of realizing this could possibly just be a bad play by an amateur cop/tracker/watcher/whatever

regardless your instincts were correct

good job

 

I don't buy this.

 

Nolder is a devious player, certainly more so than he is coming across here. Why the hell would you be "breadcrumbing an investigative role" so early on anyway?

 

You breadcrumb finder, then reveal as doctor with what... 2 votes? I don't like this at all.

 

The sanctimonious bit about whether I think you are a good player is completely irrelevant, and comes across as an emo play.

 

I agree with you here Mcclane.

 

You've generally made good sense. And Nolder hasn't.

 

I'm still somewhat uneasy about the potential Nolder/Mcclane scum axis, but I think Nolder is looking guiltier than you.

 

Unvote.

[Nolder]

You breadcrumb finder, then reveal as doctor with what... 2 votes? I don't like this at all.

you didn't like it in the first place so it doesn't really matter

instead of getting in a long drawn out argument with you I felt like nipping it in the bud and just coming clean

 

The sanctimonious bit about whether I think you are a good player is completely irrelevant, and comes across as an emo play.

it's not irrelevant at all

you're obviously good enough to catch me out in the lie so why didn't you think that maybe outing me was a bad idea?

personally I'm thinking you were hoping you had found a cop and were hoping to get them lynched

[Nolder]

Nolder is a devious player, certainly more so than he is coming across here. Why the hell would you be "breadcrumbing an investigative role" so early on anyway?

well thanks for the compliment but I'm pretty sure most of the time I seem "devious" it's actually just luck and coincidence

and I was breadcrumbing so mafia would attack me obviously

isn't that what a hidden doctor tries to do usually if there isn't a claimed townie to protect?

[Nolder]

in retrospect I guess that was kind of dumb

apparently I was obvious about it which may have tipped mafia off

or they may have had a roleblocker (a likely possibility in an advanced game) and roleblocked+killed me

so yeah uhhh

my bad I guess =/

 

I don't feel too terrible about it though really

I've been in several games here on DM where doc claimed early and it turned out fine