will YOU feel cheated?

[Southpaw89]

will any of you feel cheated if Rand and Moridin merge and then someone balefires them as one and that's how Moridin is ultimately killed? And the reason I ask if you'll feel cheated is the fact that we haven't seen Rand face Moridin yet (I know I know as Ba'alzaamon we did) and it might feel kinda cheap if they don't fight in AMoL. I honestly wouldn't feel cheated but I do think they should battle. What is everyones opinion?

[MarkDiLillo]

will any of you feel cheated if Rand and Moridin merge and then someone balefires them as one and that's how Moridin is ultimately killed? And the reason I ask if you'll feel cheated is the fact that we haven't seen Rand face Moridin yet (I know I know as Ba'alzaamon we did) and it might feel kinda cheap if they don't fight in AMoL. I honestly wouldn't feel cheated but I do think they should battle. What is everyones opinion?

 

Nah. I dont think they actaully will do battle pyhsically or with the OP other than a brief skirmish at most.

[Feral]

I'm not too bothered about them fighting. I think that maybe I'd rather they didn't in fact.

[OptimusPrime]

I'm not too bothered about them fighting. I think that maybe I'd rather they didn't in fact.

 

I cant decide if I agree or not. I do want them to fight for several reasons, both are maxed out channelers with knowledge beyond the understanding of most, and we've been waiting for some heavy onscreen True Power content for a long time... but the whole Dragon vs Nae'blis thing spans multiple lifetimes, it is bigger than just a fight.

 

Although I think itd be pretty awesome if they fought til they burnt each other out and then Rand kicks his ass, and THEN we get the talk.

[Southpaw89]

and by the way I'm not saying someone who is gonna bash Robert Jordan if they don't fight in the book because RJ has never let me down with this story and I believe Brandon when he says the ending is fantastic. So whatever happens I'm sure it'll be epic and very satisfying. I was just curious what everyone though since there's the strong possibility that they merge.

[Feral]

I'm not too bothered about them fighting. I think that maybe I'd rather they didn't in fact.

 

both are maxed out channelers with knowledge beyond the understanding of most

 

Lol that's actually one of the reasons I DON'T want them to fight. They're just too evenly matched. It would make it a bit boring, and I wouldn't be surprised no matter who won. And to stop it from becoming a long drawn out fight something external would have to interfere like Cadsuane dropping her basket just so, so that Moridin trips over it. Ok, that was a stupid example but you get my point.

[Aquarius]

like Cadsuane dropping her basket just so, so that Moridin trips over it. Ok, that was a stupid example but you get my point.

Elayne, bathtub, blah, blah blah :)

[Superhal]

Personally, I'm sick and tired of these fake deaths by Forsaken. At this moment, when a Forsaken dies, it's extremely annoying to me since they can reappear at will, making their death a reading exercise rather than furthering the plot.

[OptimusPrime]

Personally, I'm sick and tired of these fake deaths by Forsaken. At this moment, when a Forsaken dies, it's extremely annoying to me since they can reappear at will, making their death a reading exercise rather than furthering the plot.

 

I know what you mean, unless theyre killed by balefire we will just be waiting for a return and if they dont come back we'd be asking why.

 

Having said that I think some non-BF Forsaken deaths are ok for the last book. RJ said there'd be loose ends and that the world would have problems, so if, say, someone kills Moridin not knowing he can be reincarnated it would be PREFECT (in my oppinion) for a sly little appearance of him in AMoL epilogue, reincarnated moments before the Dark One was re-Sealed.

 

PS. The thing that annoys me about reincarnations is Rand still doesnt know about Osan'gar. I mean, the realisation wouldnt make any difference now that the paranoia is gone, but still. I think the only ones worth the involvement are Moridin and Cyndane. They both carry a bit of achtypery with them, a reincarnated enemy from another lifetime and a reincarnated ex-lover, they both work, but Osan'gar and Aran'gar felt like nothing more than precursors of the endgame, which feels pointless when looking back. Both died without the Light finding out. And sadly I think Shaidar is going to be the same. I dont think Rands going to encounter him, and it will really cheese me off if he doesnt.

[Southpaw89]

^ yeah but it might be kinda cheap if Rand does ALL the heroism as well ya know?

[Beer Rot]

I'll feel cheated if the very first chapter isn't a POV of Gawyn bubbling like a baby at seeing Morgase.

 

I've been looking forward to it for far too many years.

 

Oh, and Faile needs to die.

 

For the love of the Light, if the Creator can hear my prayer and kill off Tara in True Blood, then I have a good shot at Faile dying too.

[Duskfire]

I'm not too bothered about them fighting. I think that maybe I'd rather they didn't in fact.

 

both are maxed out channelers with knowledge beyond the understanding of most

 

Lol that's actually one of the reasons I DON'T want them to fight. They're just too evenly matched. It would make it a bit boring, and I wouldn't be surprised no matter who won. And to stop it from becoming a long drawn out fight something external would have to interfere like Cadsuane dropping her basket just so, so that Moridin trips over it. Ok, that was a stupid example but you get my point.

 

Are they evenly matched? Rand has kicked Ishamaels ass every single time, and even back when he was Lews Therin he was beating him. They are similiar strength wise, but I was always under the impression that combat wise Rand would walk all over him. Theres nothing to suggest that they are all at even. Rand wiped out an entire trolloc army in a matter of seconds; I cant see anyone else being able to come close to doing that.

 

In any case, they seem to share somewhat the same injuries, the same feelings, etc etc, so I am not sure if they could fight each other even if they wanted to. The link is there for a reason and it'll be used somehow, either against Moridin or Rand or both.

[Martagnan]

...

"I'm now convinced that the Prophecies are being misunderstood in re the "three become one". I don't think that line refers to the Dragon and Callandor (though whatever happens WILL require saidar as well as saidan) but to Rand, LTT and Moridin. Now that he's "stood on his own grave and wept" LTT and Rand are integrated. With all the "blurry face" et cetera foreshadowing whenever Rand's channeled ... and that "no soul is so..." that we've heard a few times takes on new significance (see Verin). The archetype represented by Rand is total surrender to faith for redemption. Moridin is the antithesis of that. It would be a neat way (cleverly effective in character or execution: a neat scheme; a neat solution. 5:great; wonderful; fine:)of making the Grea ... Dark One's (lol)prison "whole" again if the Shadow's Champion repented."

...

 

(Full post HERE http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/63836-the-one-power-the-true-power/)

 

The Dragon will confront the DO. How it works out now . . . :D :D :D

[Southpaw89]

well technically Rand didn't whoop Ishamael's (Ba'alzaamon)ass. He was wounded badly every time he fought him. And now as Moridin, he's much more cool and collected about his actions so if they were to square off again, it would be a much more back and forth battle.

 

By the way, thanks for all the responses everyone. Didn't think I'd get that many for this topic haha.

[Leyrann]

I'm not too bothered about them fighting. I think that maybe I'd rather they didn't in fact.

 

I cant decide if I agree or not. I do want them to fight for several reasons, both are maxed out channelers with knowledge beyond the understanding of most, and we've been waiting for some heavy onscreen True Power content for a long time... but the whole Dragon vs Nae'blis thing spans multiple lifetimes, it is bigger than just a fight.

 

Although I think itd be pretty awesome if they fought til they burnt each other out and then Rand kicks his ass, and THEN we get the talk.

 

Perfect scenario...

 

And at the end Moridin and Cyndane both return to the Light, and fall in love.

[Owayn The Traveller]

Mordin is still fairly rough 'round the edges in terms of his temperament. The railings melting, the guy he killed whilst thinking and killing the rats. The man is seriously a few legs short of a stool.

I don't wanna see them duke it out. A nice long talk would be perfect, maybe even over that game that Moridin fiddles with. Besides their like walking talking voodoo dolls of each other.

 

Rand and Taim would be fun though. Taim just loosing the cool and going all super saigan on his arse - Vegeta(spelling?) style and still getting beat.

[Goramier]

No.

 

I have read the series for over 11 years. I am ready to read the ending. Call me crazy, dub me stupid or what you will but if the last book is four sentences long, I would care more about just reading the ending at this point. I want to know what the ending is and have waited for a very long time to know. I of course would like the last book to be long and well written and thought out but I seriously am more interested in reading how this long journey finishes. I for one will move on in life and not look back.

 

I will thank Rand, Mat, RJ, Brandon and all the cast and crew for a long and memorable time in the series but at the end of the day, I want to know how this story ends. If Rand merges and gets blasted then so be it. I will read it, smile, consider the long years I have invested into this story and move on in life.

 

As stupid as it may seem, I have felt that I have been waiting, and waiting, and waiting for a very long time to close this book. All great stories must come to and end. I am the kind of person that closes a page in a book and doesn't look back. This story has been ongoing for a very long time for many readers and we deserve to know the ending. I don't care what that ending is. RJ had it planned long ago. I trust in RJ to bring a good ending. Since he is gone now the series may finish where it otherwise wouldn't have but at long last, I have felt over the last year or so that I am really left with just the desire to close this book and know how it ended.

[AshaShan]

To be honest, I'd rather Rand and Moridin not fight at all. Not in the physical sense at least. The conflict between them is more philosophical in nature it seems to me. I'd love to see another argument between them though, like the one they had in the Gathering Storm.

[shadowofomioc]

The entire series has led up to Rand fighting Mordin and the DO ( to a lesser extent ) and suddenly people want them to ... talk? Play games?! Whoever wins at Snakes and Foxes will win the last battle?!!? Come on now lol.

 

Yes, fight they must, and fight they will. Sure there will be banter between the two but if anyone thinks the series will just end with a checkmate your dead wrong. The Dragon is supposed to " break the world " again right? Well how is that possible without some major ... major .. major fighting going on. Lews Therin did not break the world, but his action of trying to seal the bore of the Dark One did end up doing that. This time though, no madness ( yet ). So how is he to break the world anew? There has to be something really serious for that to happen.

 

The only real confrontation I've seen between Mordin and Rand was in the GS when they just chatted. Every other one before that was just some stupid " YOU SHALL KNEEL! " Rand: "NO I WON'T! " thing. And then Ishmael getting defeated pretty quickly in tGH while Rand had no control over anything he was doing basically. Now Rand is basically Rand lv. 20 and Mordin is ... getting spoken to by the DO in his mind. Wooo.

 

I'm with the above though. Lets just see it. It will be hard for me not to skip to the last 100 pages and just finally read the ending that is 12 years in the making.

[mydnyte]

I will only feel cheated if the ending sucks as much as Stephen King's Dark Tower finale/fiasco

...then again we all know what happens already anyways, since each and every book begins with the answer.

[lord of madness]

I'm not too bothered about them fighting. I think that maybe I'd rather they didn't in fact.

I cant decide if I agree or not. I do want them to fight for several reasons, both are maxed out channelers with knowledge beyond the understanding of most, and we've been waiting for some heavy onscreen True Power content for a long time... but the whole Dragon vs Nae'blis thing spans multiple lifetimes, it is bigger than just a fight.Although I think itd be pretty awesome if they fought til they burnt each other out and then Rand kicks his ass, and THEN we get the talk.

I would love this either just before the last battle or after rand whoops the DO ass. what we all know rand will beat up the the lord of the grave

also it would not be complate without them both dying

[muddasssir]

The entire series has led up to Rand fighting Mordin and the DO ( to a lesser extent ) and suddenly people want them to ... talk? Play games?! Whoever wins at Snakes and Foxes will win the last battle?!!? Come on now lol.

 

Yes, fight they must, and fight they will. Sure there will be banter between the two but if anyone thinks the series will just end with a checkmate your dead wrong. The Dragon is supposed to " break the world " again right? Well how is that possible without some major ... major .. major fighting going on. Lews Therin did not break the world, but his action of trying to seal the bore of the Dark One did end up doing that. This time though, no madness ( yet ). So how is he to break the world anew? There has to be something really serious for that to happen.

 

The only real confrontation I've seen between Mordin and Rand was in the GS when they just chatted. Every other one before that was just some stupid " YOU SHALL KNEEL! " Rand: "NO I WON'T! " thing. And then Ishmael getting defeated pretty quickly in tGH while Rand had no control over anything he was doing basically. Now Rand is basically Rand lv. 20 and Mordin is ... getting spoken to by the DO in his mind. Wooo.

 

I'm with the above though. Lets just see it. It will be hard for me not to skip to the last 100 pages and just finally read the ending that is 12 years in the making.

Dragon breaking the world again is more of a conjecture or the fear as we saw in the early part of the series about Aes Sedai. I do not think that there is going to be another breaking.