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AshaShan

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  1. True that. I'm hoping Rand will make some incognito appearances at those schools to share some of his AOL knowledge with them. Be a shame to waste it wandering around.
  2. I hope Min's stay among the hated Seanchan is a short one. She and Rand are my favourite couple and I'd hate to see them parted.
  3. I did think it rather selfish of Elayne to want the dragons for Andor alone. Illian, Tear and the Borderlands will surely fight in the Last Battle, and having access to such weapons, mass-produced, would greatly improve their chances of victory and limit the casualties in those nations' armies. I suppose it's her duty to look to Andor's welfare and advantage ahead of the welfare of anyone else, but still... selfish.
  4. Lews Therin was certainly a tragic hero in the classical sense. And since Rand and Lews Therin are the same person...
  5. Egwene's own take on the situation: "Obliquely, she realized what she is doing. She was using Rand's proclamation as a beacon by which to gather and tie the monarchs to the White Tower. They would come to support her arguments against breaking the seals. But in the end, they would serve mankind in the last battle." Those that are currently under Rand's command she hopes to have under her own command by the end of the meeting at Merrilor. She doesn't want to say this so baldly of course since it conflicts with her image of herself, so she is only obliquely aware of it. Rand is more than obliquely aware of Egwene's personality and ambitions and correctly deduced that such an attempt, a usurpation as I called it, would take place. So he decided to deny her the opportunity to chose the time and place of battle, like any good general should. He outmaneuvered her. We know what Egwene wants to gain at Merrilor: the Seals unbroken and control over the Light's forces. Now the question is, what does Rand hope to gain from their confrontation. Riiight... and where in that does she say she plans to get rid of Rand and command the armies against the DO herself? It doesn't say, "they would serve the white tower in the last battle". Seems a lot of people always try to make every political move as some sinister plot to rule the world or something. While I haven't seen any "Egwene thinks she's empress of the world" quotes recently, things like this seem to amount to the same thing. If any ruler has even the slightest self-interest in anything someone else does, they are something akin to a darkfriend. Even if they truly believe that it would be better for everyone, even if we know it truly would be better for everyone, and even if the target party AGREES willingly, none of that matters because it is apparently disgusting to even think about tugging someone towards your own way of thinking, for any purpose. It just seems so naive. I mean Rand has been pulling people all over the place the whole books. But it's ok because his purpose is mandated by prophecy right? Everyone else who even thinks of doing it, even for the greater good, even if they're right, is as good as shadowspawn. Hyperbole much? You said my use of the word "usurp" was WAAAAY overboard. I demonstrated that Egwene hopes to have command over those gathered at Merrilor by meetings end, primarily those who are currently under Rand's command. In other words she plans to usurp him. I further hypothesise that he is well aware that she would want to do so, given his long-standing association with her. Then you started ranting about shadowspawn and stuff.
  6. Egwene's own take on the situation: "Obliquely, she realized what she is doing. She was using Rand's proclamation as a beacon by which to gather and tie the monarchs to the White Tower. They would come to support her arguments against breaking the seals. But in the end, they would serve mankind in the last battle." Those that are currently under Rand's command she hopes to have under her own command by the end of the meeting at Merrilor. She doesn't want to say this so baldly of course since it conflicts with her image of herself, so she is only obliquely aware of it. Rand is more than obliquely aware of Egwene's personality and ambitions and correctly deduced that such an attempt, a usurpation as I called it, would take place. So he decided to deny her the opportunity to chose the time and place of battle, like any good general should. He outmaneuvered her. We know what Egwene wants to gain at Merrilor: the Seals unbroken and control over the Light's forces. Now the question is, what does Rand hope to gain from their confrontation. Other than the White Tower and Andor everyone at this meeting is already sworn to Rand. If gathering them was all he wanted to do he could simply write a letter, have a scribe copy it a dozen times and an Asha'man deliver the resulting messages to his stewards etc. It would be the work of a half hour. There is more to this.
  7. Rand knew Egwene would try to usurp his command eventually. She just needed to decide what her excuse would be. So, being an experianced politician and military general, he decided to make her excuse for her. This way he controls the time and place of their confrontation as well as the topic they will be fighting over. Staging it in public just means that the victory will be more telling, whomsoever it goes to.
  8. To be honest, I'd rather Rand and Moridin not fight at all. Not in the physical sense at least. The conflict between them is more philosophical in nature it seems to me. I'd love to see another argument between them though, like the one they had in the Gathering Storm.
  9. What Min's doing is not philosophy, she's trying to translate the written prophecies concerning Rand and the Last Battle. Something that a girl who has been able to see the future for most of her life has a notable advantage in doing.
  10. What's so impossible about stationing a dozen members of the grandly named Battle Ajah with each of the four Borderlander monarchs? They wouldn't have to patrol the Blight and kill every Shadowspawn ever born, but simply being available to march with the main army when the generals judge the threat sufficiant to mobilise would make a huge difference. I think it's perfectly fair to chastise them for doing... next to nothing while still flattering themselves as they do.
  11. This. "I would not mind you in my head, you know. If you were not so clearly mad." It's nice that Rand's all sane(er) now but I have to admit, I'm gonna miss he and Lews Therin's wacky chats with themselves.
  12. So no one should question the DR is that it? Just blindly follow whatever seemingly mad scheme he presents? What she thinks is there should be someway Rand can succeed against the DO without breaking the seals. This of course is different than thinking he is fully prepared. Regardless of her reasoning we know at this juncture she is right to oppose him as he has admitted he is missing something and has no idea how to continue. Until he explains the situation rationally and asks everyone for help, why should she not take this stance? After all Cads has already confirmed one of Min's guesses, wouldn't it be better if they were all on the same page? Now there may be a reason Rand had to play the AS and manipulate her into opposing him. Guess we will find out in aMoL. When did I say no-one should question? What I said is that people shouldn't apply their own motivations to characteres that have already explained what they think and why they think it. Egwene's fans like to harp on the "Rand should dot the i's and cross the t's before breaking the Seals" thing, but Egwene herself does not agree with them. Its weird to me that you guys make up stuff in defense of her character that contradicts the explanations she herself has given. "She had been so afraid that Nynaeve would learn that she certainly did not have the Wise Ones’ permission to jaunt about in the World of Dreams alone, so sure that the flush of embarrassment had given her away, that all she could think of was keeping Nynaeve from speaking, keeping her from winkling out the truth." - That is Egwene al'Vere's own explanation for what she did and why she did it. Its an ugly explanation though, and you want to see her as someone who wouldn't be motivated by such things so feel free to try and make up some other motivation for her.
  13. Egwene outlined her reasons for abusing Nynaeve in TAR in her own internal POV (to cover her own ass and asert that authority she craves so) yet her fans will still try to spin it in the kindest light possible even if that means claiming that their girl was actually lying to herself. Egwene describes her objection to Rand's plan with the seals to Nynaeve and Elayne, and far from arguing that he should be better prepared before breaking them thinks that he is fully prepared and simply shouldn't break them at all. Yet her fans try to assign the former argument to her instead because they rightly think it holds more water than the one Egwene herself puts forward. Sometimes its like there are two Egwene's. The one in the books and the shining paragon that her fans made up in their heads.
  14. Yeah, if she wanted to avoid accusations of favouratism she could have simply stayed away. If she wanted to demonstrate her hardassedness to the Sitters however, the Testing afforded her an ideal opportunity...
  15. IMO proving that you can watch friends and children die without losing composure should disqualify you from administering anything more important and a sweetshop much less the world the world.
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