[Basic] Elizabethan Mafia - Game Over

[Krakalakachkn]

Tinker, have you ever known mafia to forgo a NK on Night 1? I have never seen it happen.

 

 

I've done it at least twice. It sows confusion among the town and makes them point fingers at supposed innocents.

[Tiinker]

I'm not going to bore everyone with another long post cos this is just going to go back and forth and I feel I've already replied to everything you#ve said in your last one.

 

So quickly, no I don't think the only way to dig deeper is to get her lynched and I said so already. Kivam didn't put a huge target on anyone imo. And no I don't think it's wrong to talk about what happened in other games seeing as everyone does it all the time. The reason i quoted it was due to the fact that something similar was going on and in that post you helped prove what I'm trying to say here.

 

And in my eyes this post is saying something that's 100% certain

 

People, sakaea was targeted last night. That means she is definitely not scum. On my phone, but I'm very likely to vote someone who is voting her when I get to a comp

 

and you agreed with it. And it's misleading.

[Red2111]

Tiikner, just a few things. theres a difference between discussing whats going on in current games and whats gone on in past games. discussing events in past games is okay, as there nothing you can say to inluence or ruin that game since its over. its discussing the ongoing games thats frowned upon and usually doesn't happen becuase all the game mods take a very clear stance on that and have MKd people for it.

 

if you feel that it helped prove your point, thats fine. take what was said and put it in your own words to apply directly to this game. otherwise you walk a very fine line that could end up in it being consider you "talking about the game outside the game thread" and get you MKd in both this game and the one your referring to depending on how strongly the mods feel about it.

 

 

another thing, your misinterpreting what i mean by agreeing with kiv. i'm taking Moon's word that Sakaea was targetted, not as a fact that can't be disproved. i do this because i see no reason to doubt her claim right now. the only thing i agree with him about is that people voting a claimed healer diserve a vote; soemthing even you seem to agree with.

[LilyElizabeth]

Red, I think you've just posted the longest WOT I've ever seen from you. My eyes literally glazed over reading it.

 

Christine, darling, can we have a vote count?

[Kivam]

People, sakaea was targeted last night. That means she is definitely not scum. On my phone, but I'm very likely to vote someone who is voting her when I get to a comp

 

That's not true. FOS at you! The Mafia could have just decided to not NK anybody to create this confusion. By saying it like it's a fact your leading people to believe the same.

 

That is highly unlikely, and the odds that they would do so, and that the doctor would protect a scum member, are vanishingly small. So the idea that it was some plan to vet Sakaea is crazy.

 

I was going to move my vote to Jack, but between this and the fact that other people are also seeing scumminess in your posts, I think I'll leave my vote where it is for the time being.

 

For the record, I'll happily move my vote to Jack, Ameg, or Ishamael if necessary to get a lynch, since all three are ringing bells (in that order).

[Kivam]

You know I see a lot of finger pointing and honestly not sure.

 

Vote Ishy

 

 

Just cause you left my room . *giggles*

 

Can we get a vote count oh great and powerful Mod?

 

Joke vote on Day 2 after suspicious Day 1 activity and little info from lynching an inactive?

 

I'm adding Min to my list of "people I'd be just fine lynching today"

[Krakalakachkn]

It's just a stall vote.

[Kivam]

People, sakaea was targeted last night. That means she is definitely not scum. On my phone, but I'm very likely to vote someone who is voting her when I get to a comp

 

That's not true. FOS at you! The Mafia could have just decided to not NK anybody to create this confusion. By saying it like it's a fact your leading people to believe the same.

 

That is highly unlikely, and the odds that they would do so, and that the doctor would protect a scum member, are vanishingly small. So the idea that it was some plan to vet Sakaea is crazy.

 

To add to this: the other option is that both Moon and Sakaea are scum and Moon is lying, the doc self protected, and the scum is looking to out the doc. But if that were the case, the doc would have counterclaimed already. With a doc counterclaim, we lynch Sakaea, and if she's town (likely) we lynch our second doc claimant next; if she's scum, then we lynch Moon next and have two scum down. There is no way that two scum would put themselves out there, linked so clearly, this early in the game. There are 4 scum at most in this game, likely 3 + a symp (which I'm suspecting might be you). Losing 2 scum members by day 3 would be devastating. It's a nonsense plan, and one bound to fail, because eventually there would be a counterclaim.

 

Frankly, you are the player that most looks like they are trying to sow confusion.

 

Is it theoretically possible that the mafia no-killed night one or Moon is lying? Sure. Is it likely enough that we ought to really be focusing on it as a possibility to stay highly suspicious of Moon/Sakaea, let alone voting them today? No.

[Kivam]

It's just a stall vote.

 

meaning?

[Krakalakachkn]

Meaning she's voting someone so no one gets on her for not voting, but it's not someone who's likely to be lynched so she's not committed.

[amegakure]

red i think your a farcry from being relistic and its almost like your being a drama queen. I was like the second maybe third vote on her. There was no greed for a train. other than all this back in forth arguing the only thing im seeing is that you and kiv are working together wether your both scum or one of you is just lost idk. But both your guys reason agaisnt me was mediocre at best. And just because someone targeted her dosent mean shes telling the truth. its possible a finder targeted her to see what she was.....and keep in mind if shes the symp. this would be a great way to beat a finder and help mafia.

[Kivam]

Meaning she's voting someone so no one gets on her for not voting, but it's not someone who's likely to be lynched so she's not committed.

 

With Min's vote, Ishy is (as far as I can tell) in the vote lead. With the way people play around here (do nothing til the day before deadline, then rush to vote) that's a dangerous place to be.

 

I'm curious as to why you're defending her.

[Kivam]

red i think your a farcry from being relistic and its almost like your being a drama queen. I was like the second maybe third vote on her. There was no greed for a train. other than all this back in forth arguing the only thing im seeing is that you and kiv are working together wether your both scum or one of you is just lost idk. But both your guys reason agaisnt me was mediocre at best. And just because someone targeted her dosent mean shes telling the truth. its possible a finder targeted her to see what she was.....and keep in mind if shes the symp. this would be a great way to beat a finder and help mafia.

 

I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

 

1) Moon is (pretty clearly) the doc.

 

2) There was no NK

 

3) Moon protected Sakaea last night.

 

Conclusion: scum targeted Sakaea and therefore Sakaea must be innocent.

[Krakalakachkn]

I'm not, I'm just pointing it out.

[Tiinker]

People, sakaea was targeted last night. That means she is definitely not scum. On my phone, but I'm very likely to vote someone who is voting her when I get to a comp

 

That's not true. FOS at you! The Mafia could have just decided to not NK anybody to create this confusion. By saying it like it's a fact your leading people to believe the same.

 

That is highly unlikely, and the odds that they would do so, and that the doctor would protect a scum member, are vanishingly small. So the idea that it was some plan to vet Sakaea is crazy.

 

To add to this: the other option is that both Moon and Sakaea are scum and Moon is lying, the doc self protected, and the scum is looking to out the doc. But if that were the case, the doc would have counterclaimed already. With a doc counterclaim, we lynch Sakaea, and if she's town (likely) we lynch our second doc claimant next; if she's scum, then we lynch Moon next and have two scum down. There is no way that two scum would put themselves out there, linked so clearly, this early in the game. There are 4 scum at most in this game, likely 3 + a symp (which I'm suspecting might be you). Losing 2 scum members by day 3 would be devastating. It's a nonsense plan, and one bound to fail, because eventually there would be a counterclaim.

 

Frankly, you are the player that most looks like they are trying to sow confusion.

 

Is it theoretically possible that the mafia no-killed night one or Moon is lying? Sure. Is it likely enough that we ought to really be focusing on it as a possibility to stay highly suspicious of Moon/Sakaea, let alone voting them today? No.

 

I'm not trying to sow confusion. The entire point of half my posts here is to say that we shouldn't just accept it and still be wary. It's the people who seem to have just accepted it who I'm directing my posts at. But yeah apologies if it seems like I'm just trying to generate WIFOM all over the place. And also if it were me I'd never counterclaim on Day 2 especially since people are picking up on the oddness of the first claim because not only would I be forced to then basically keep protecting myself the whole game but also have the chance of getting lynched if people didn't believe me. This way I'd know someone for sure was being sneaky and could observe them until you get some good info. Atleast that's the way I see it.

 

Tbh though I think it's in all towns best interest to drop it at this point since we're all aware anyway and we're just going to keep running back and forth.

 

Shutting my mouth now..

[amegakure]

yah and how do you know that they are telling the truth. if sakeae is scum she may have told the mafia not to nk anyone to lay down this plan.

[Christine]

I was napping, you wenches!

 

 

 

Official Vote Count

Jack - 1 - Krak

Red - 1 - Lily

Tiinker - 1 - Kivam

Ishy - 3 - Aemon, Red, Min

Sakaea - 2 - Jack, Amega

Hoof - 1 - Moon

 

14 Alive, 8 to Lynch

 

 

Deadline is: August 11th, 2:00 PM EST

[LilyElizabeth]

Since my Red vote is going nowhere, I'll Unvote for now.

 

 

I won't be online at the deadline, so unless something jumps out at me tonight, I guess I probably won't be voting this time. (I'm willing to consolidate votes to get a controlled lynch, but I don't really see that going on just yet.)

[Minuet]

I voted for Ishy because other then spam he really hasn't helped much and honestly I think is the best candidate for right now anyway.

[John E. Kelley]

I thought I helped by claiming that I believed Moon's claim. Especially since no one has CC'd by now and sometimes someone would have by now. If she's telling the truth, and honestly I have no reason to believe she isn't, we don't need to lose her just yet. We have plenty of time yet to determine if she's scummy, but at this point I don't see that she is.

[Sakaea]

VOTE ISHY, because he's our best lynch candidate atm, and I won't be online for the deadline. I will try to check in at least once more before the deadline.

[Sakaea]

I thought I helped by claiming that I believed Moon's claim. Especially since no one has CC'd by now and sometimes someone would have by now. If she's telling the truth, and honestly I have no reason to believe she isn't, we don't need to lose her just yet. We have plenty of time yet to determine if she's scummy, but at this point I don't see that she is.

 

 

I find this post to be confusing in the extreme. Bolding mine. You claimed to believe her? Does that mean you really don't? Don't need to lose her just yet, meaning we will in the future?

[John E. Kelley]

I thought I helped by claiming that I believed Moon's claim. Especially since no one has CC'd by now and sometimes someone would have by now. If she's telling the truth, and honestly I have no reason to believe she isn't, we don't need to lose her just yet. We have plenty of time yet to determine if she's scummy, but at this point I don't see that she is.

 

 

I find this post to be confusing in the extreme. Bolding mine. You claimed to believe her? Does that mean you really don't? Don't need to lose her just yet, meaning we will in the future?

 

Yes, I claimed to believe her in post # 216, Kiv's and Aemon's posts swayed me. And at this point, I have no reason to not believe her as usually someone would have CC'd by now. Not always. But usually. And do we really believe that if she revealed this early that we won't lose her eventually? I can't see Team Scum (or even Team Town in a paronoia mode) not pushing for her lynch eventually. You can?

[Sedai]

UNVOTE and vote ishy

 

Consillidation and blatant bandwagoning for our only viable lynching option

[Kivam]

Unvote, vote Jack. Nobody has joined me on Tiinker and I really don't like the way you've been playing. I'll vote Ishy if necessary to get a lynch, but I'd like to see a competing train so we can get some info, and Jack is the place to do that, IMO.