characters reborn

[dicetosser1]

I saw my fav quote on one of our DMers sig and thought id check the definition. It lead me to an article about Mat being King Aemon reborn http://www.presskanne.com/theory/809

 

This got me thinking I did originally think that Mat was Aemon reborn back when i was reading DR. That or he was the heir of Aemon one or the other.

 

Im also of the opinion that Eggy is whatshername the Amyrilyn who got the female AS to promise not to help LTT. Im REALLY thinking that considering how shes acting at the mo regarding the seals.

 

And of course a lot of people make a link between Elayne and Illenya.

 

What I was wondering is does anyone think anyone from the series is someone reborn?? or has a different take on my thoughts??

[David Selig]

Everyone in the WoT world is someone reborn, that's the way things work in this universe.

 

Of course the real question is whether they are someone famous reborn, and a lot of people really want to believe that, often really grasping at straws for evidence. Personally I don't think anyone of the main character is such a case, except Rand of course.

[Superhal]

There's two types of past-life communication: one is where you see the past through your ancestor's eyes, and one where the same soul is reborn into a new body. Rand has done both, so that's where I think there is confusion. Personally, I still don't think Mat is Aemon reborn, because the only way to confirm it is someone says, "Hey, you're XXX reborn, aren't you?"

[mb]

Besides Rand being reborn of Lews Therin, there are few characters being a confirmed reborn.

-Birgitte, though she was ripped out and not spun out.

-Gaidal reborn; though the reborn has not yet been identified in series or identified by the author.

 

All other supposed reborns are currently no more than just speculation.

[Superhal]

Besides Rand being reborn of Lews Therin, there are few characters being a confirmed reborn.

-Birgitte, though she was ripped out and not spun out.

-Gaidal reborn; though the reborn has not yet been identified in series or confirmed by the author.

 

All other supposed reborns are currently no more than speculation.

 

Is Ishy confirmed? I know he confirmed it himself, but it seems to fit perfectly that every time LTT is spun out, Ishy is near.

[dicetosser1]

hmmm ishy he was there when aemon died and ltt.... interesting

 

does it count as being reborn when the DO transmigrates a soul?? if so them we have lanfear ishy aginor and balthamel

[mb]

Ishamael and the other Forsaken were granted immortality.

Past lives of their souls would have occurred earlier in Legends Age and/or in the Age before.

 

 

Soul transmigration I would count as resurrection and not as rebirth.

[Guest Benjamin Qadir]

 

 

"And of course a lot of people make a link between Elayne and Illenya."

 

I think it is more likely Morgase was Illenya. When Rand thought morgase was dead Lews was raving about illenya more than usual. Plus rand was more angry then he should be for the mother of someone he loved. Plus he had only met her once.

[udbabor520]

OT - our favourite one: Verin is Mat's daughter

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/32971-librarian-gone-wild-verin/page-2?do=findComment&comment=1035608

[mb]

About Ilyena reborn; many threads speculated about that.

 

These things I take stay the same in any rebirth::

-gender

-creature type

-linked to a soul or not; linked souls tend to be reborn in the same generation of the other.

-channeler or not; channelers I guess are either learners or sparkers in each incarnation.

-Hero or not; if one incarnation becomes a Hero, future incarnations I take would be a Hero.

-occupation; each incarnation seem to have similar occupations as other incarnations.

[BFG]

About Ilyena reborn; many threads speculated about that.

 

These things I take stay the same in any rebirth::

-gender

-creature type

-linked to a soul or not; linked souls tend to be reborn in the same generation of the other.

-channeler or not; channelers I guess are either learners or sparkers in each incarnation.

-Hero or not; if one incarnation becomes a Hero, future incarnations I take would be a Hero.

-occupation; each incarnation seem to have similar occupations as other incarnations.

As far as I know gender stays the same. Creature is more complicated, I think trollocs souls are corrupted human souls, but once they become a trillion they remain a trolloc. Channelling depends on genetics as well, so I think it possible that you won't always be a channeller (plus we know their are Ages when there is no channelling). Heroes of the Horn don't always live adventurous lives, Birgette remembers a life when they just grew old together, I'd argue the same for occupation.

[Sabio]

We know channeling is part of the soul, so I would think if you could channel you would always be a channeler.  Since the soul is tied to sex I would also think you would always be the same sex.  Unless the DO does something and stuffs you into another body.  We know heroes don't do heroic things every life because like BFG said Birgette remembers being a farmer or something in one life and she commented it was the most boring life ever.  I do thing a heroes soul is more likely to have an eventful life, they don't always get reincarnated as a hero.  Some like Birgette being attached to Cain (or whatever his name was) where he is always born first and they always end up together.  So some heroes might have something that is consistent w with every life.  I know Rand worried about because of what Agnior did to make Trollocs if the trolloc was actually a human soul reborn.

[mb]

Birgitte a farmer in one life; which scene told that?

Heroes not always reincarnated as Heroes; where was that told?

 

trolloc souls being corrupted human souls; I do not recall any of the books telling that.  Nor either author.

[Orderofolde]

Moiraine says that Mat has both Rand and Perrin beat as far as being the eldest "soul" from among the three of them.  Who is he suspected of being?  The King of Manetheran due to his Heart Guard commands during the healing that broke the link with the SL dagger?  Or is it because he has the memories from the Snakes and Foxes?  i'm leaning more for the former than the latter as he was uttering the Old Tongue in book 1.

[Sabio]

Moriane suspected Mat and his memories, she mentioned that even though Rand had the memories of someone four centuries old, Mat had him beat. So I assumed it was something along the lines of you combined the ages of all of the people Mat had memories from he way outdid anyone else. 

 

I don't remember which book Birgette POV was about the ordinary life she lead was in.  So it at least shows a hero's soul doesn't mean every time they are reborn that they lead a heroic life.  That sometimes they do lead normal lives.  

 

As for the trolloc's soul being corrupted human souls, it was a Rand POV in AMOL where he worried that trolloc souls might of been human souls reborn.  There was nothing difinitve saying yes they were, but it was something Rand was thinking about.  "Still, Rand worried that these things might be humans reborn.  Aginor had used people to create the Trollocs and Myddraal.  Was this the fate of some?  To be reborn as twisted creations such as this?  The idea sickened him."

[mb]

by "Hero" I meant that the soul would still be bound to the Horn after the incarnation dies; not necessarily that each incarnation would have an adventurous/heroic/etc life.

Not entirely sure, but I guess only a permanent death would prevent a Hero from being a Hero again.

 

As far as I recall, only 2 books have a Birgitte POV.  Knife of Dreams; Memory of Light.