What happened the the stash from Rhuidean?

[Suttree]

The only known human with the Talent for discerning the purpose of an angreal, sa'angreal or ter'angreal is an Aiel, not an Aes Sedai, and yet "the AS are by far the most qualified to deal with such?"

 

The apologetics are getting out of hand.

 

Actually I meant to type Nynaeve(who has a lesser affinity, so no Avi isn't the only person)... Randsc you seem rather chippy today. All that back in forth in the other thread getting to you? If you have any evidence that another group as a whole(not one singular person) would be more qualified by all means put it forth.

[DemandredFO]

Suttree, they don't even know what most of their stuff does. It would be highly amusing if Aviendha touched the Oath Rod and said rod for binding criminals and who knows if the AS had actually done their jobs finding girls who can channell they might have a ter'angreal reader of their own. As I see it the AS have lost claim to be most qualified for anything.

[randsc]

The Aiel, obviously. Who have the ability to keep the objects physically safe and the only Reader. Or if you prefer, the only full Reader.

[Suttree]

The Aiel, obviously. Who have the ability to keep the objects physically safe and the only Reader. Or if you prefer, the only full Reader.

 

Again I asked for evidence beyond one person. Not sure what the point about keeping them safe is. That would seem to be a base requisite, not a major point in being most qualified.

 

Nevertheless with the exchange program it will most likely be some combination of the diff groups studying them moving forward.

[randsc]

Why more than one person? One person with a natural ability to read the use of the angreal is a far better situation to be in than the AS, whose "expert" burned herself out. The group that has even a single member who can instantly read the purpose of the angreal is best qualified, just as a group of fortune tellers that had Min among its members would be best qualified to hold a monopoly on fortune-telling.

 

As you know, my personal preference would be that the series end with all of these objects being nothing but curiosities, due to the disappearance of channeling. But barring that, human freedom is best served by the decentralization of power. Especially, in WoT world, magical power.

 

Each civilization in the world of the WoT has developed its own method of dealing with the threat to freedom presented by magic. I don't like the Seanchan method, but that doesn't mean I want to see the Sharan method.

[Kal11]

Suttree, they don't even know what most of their stuff does. It would be highly amusing if Aviendha touched the Oath Rod and said rod for binding criminals and who knows if the AS had actually done their jobs finding girls who can channell they might have a ter'angreal reader of their own. As I see it the AS have lost claim to be most qualified for anything.

 

That would be a beautiful scene lol. Done right I might drop the book laughing at the AS reactions.

[David Selig]

Suttree, they don't even know what most of their stuff does. It would be highly amusing if Aviendha touched the Oath Rod and said rod for binding criminals and who knows if the AS had actually done their jobs finding girls who can channell they might have a ter'angreal reader of their own. As I see it the AS have lost claim to be most qualified for anything.

Aviendha can't do that. All she can sense is what the particular ter'angreal does, not for what it was used in the AoL. The Aes Sedai know that in theory it can be used for binding criminals anyway.

[randsc]

Well, we don't really know that. She could determine the difference between "Fiction" and "Nonfiction", without being able to read the words. So she may well be able to interpret what the original use of an object was.

[jsbrads]

I'm pretty sure burnt out and stilling are the same (physiologically speaking) note, it was mentioned somewhere, "two words for the same thing"

[Luckers]

I'm pretty sure burnt out and stilling are the same (physiologically speaking) note, it was mentioned somewhere, "two words for the same thing"

 

They are functionally different though. A stilled person (at least someone stilled with the knife-like shield used by the Aes Sedai) can still sense the Source. A burned out person cannot.

[Kal11]

I'm pretty sure burnt out and stilling are the same (physiologically speaking) note, it was mentioned somewhere, "two words for the same thing"

 

Severing and stilling are two words for the same thing. There is no hard answer (at least none that I can find) regarding whether or not burning out can be healed, but it is a different dynamic than severing. Personally I always got the impression that burning out left nothing to heal and was final. Kind of like if I cut an electrical wire in half I could splice it back together, if I stripped out or fried the conductive materials inside however it is junk.

[Piulus]

I don't believe that Severing and Stilling are two words for the same thing. Even though they have the same "you can't channel anymore" effect, there are subtleties involved. For instance, like Luckers mentioned, a stilled person can still feel the source, while a burned one cannot. Also, the fact that there is a cure for Stilling, and that it doesn't implies that the same method can be use for healing Burning, suggests that there is some kind of difference (unless it was mentioned in the books that it can).

[TreeJoe]

A person either can touch the source or cannot. They may learn or have the spark, but it's there. Burned out has represented it's gone. Their ability is gone (and I'm guessing the ability tied to their soul? not sure). I'd be surprised if it was healed, unelss a good explanation was given. That being said, everything should be able to be healed!

 

On another note, I'd be very surprised if there were Angreal in Tear. The Tairens gathered things they knew had to do with the one-power. So far, angreal have been very everydayish. A small statue, a brooch, hair ornaments. So I'd be surprised if they got any. Maybe one or two by accident, I guess....(didn't the small little man statue come from there?)

 

Elayne's gonna figure out how to make 'em though. I want to see SOMEONE make a sa'angreal by the end. We've seen precious little of what a sa'angreal in battle actually looks like unless it's crazy rand wielding it. I want to see an experienced channeler with a sa'angreal.

[csarmi]

The storyline about Aviendha's reading skill is very hard to swallow.

 

She reads a few and that's that? And all this not coming out into the open before she would have to leave?

[yoniy0]

I don't believe that Severing and Stilling are two words for the same thing.

Leaving aside what you said about Burning (I mostly agree with you), according to Asmodean Severing is the same as Gentling/Stilling (we know, courtesy of Egwene, that AS use the same weave for both).