Will Tar Valon get destroyed?

[XXX]

Tar Valon was formed after the breaking at the start of the current age, so will it be destroyed at the end of this age?

[Bluedust9]

Well it does have a volcano right beside it. But we know from the 4th Age excerpts in the books that there's a Great Arvalon so I'm sure it survives somehow.

[David Selig]

I don't know why, but I get the feeling the OP doesn't like the Aes Sedai much. ;)

[XXX]

I think the Seachan will destroy the city and Logain and gang will do the same at the BT...and a new base for the Aes Sedai(both male and female) will be built elsewhere.

[Manscher]

Just a tiny bit, like the "evil" twin of Elan Tedronai?

 

As much as I dislike the Aes Sedai as an organization, I doubt it's going to be destroyed, though there have been some hints of a possible Dragonmount eruption.

[Muad Cheade]

I don't think the founding has anything to do with whether or not it will be destroyed. The fact that there is a place named "Great Arvalon" in the Fourth Age might be some evidence. However, the book quotes a children's game from that city and I doubt there are that many children in Tar Valon.

[David Selig]

Why would the Seanchan want to destroy the biggest and richest city in Randland? They want to conquer, not annihilate. Tar Valon is a lot more than just the Whie Tower.

 

However, the book quotes a children's game from that city and I doubt there are that many children in Tar Valon.

Why not? The Aes Sedai are just a tiny minority of the total population of the city (which IIRC RJ said to be something like half a million), the others have children like people in any other city.

[XXX]

The entire premise of the series..what has been built will be destroyed and built again depending on the passing of the ages pretty much makes it almost certain the Tar Valon will be ground into the dust...poor Egwene, I would feel so sad.

[solarz]

However, the book quotes a children's game from that city and I doubt there are that many children in Tar Valon.

Why not? The Aes Sedai are just a tiny minority of the total population of the city (which IIRC RJ said to be something like half a million), the others have children like people in any other city.

 

This. Don't confuse Tar Valon with the White Tower.

 

If anything, the name "Great Arvalon" seems to indicate that Tar Valon will become more powerful than ever.

[XXX]

However, the book quotes a children's game from that city and I doubt there are that many children in Tar Valon.

Why not? The Aes Sedai are just a tiny minority of the total population of the city (which IIRC RJ said to be something like half a million), the others have children like people in any other city.

 

This. Don't confuse Tar Valon with the White Tower.

 

If anything, the name "Great Arvalon" seems to indicate that Tar Valon will become more powerful than ever.

 

Unlikely..any increase of power of the AS will include the organization returning to the AoL order when it was a gender neutral organization. No more nonsense of women superiority. Great Arvalon may not even be where Tar Valon is today.

[Gordar]

It had been twenty years since the Seanchan had gained the Andoran war machines. The Aiel had been tumbling toward

defeat for decades; it was a testament to their tenacious nature that they had lasted so long.

 

The real turning point in the war had been the entry of the other nations. After that' date=' the Seanchan had been able to

seize wetlander peoples and cull more channelers from their ranks. The Ravens were unstoppable; now that Tar Valon had fallen, every realm in the wetlands was subject to the Seanchan.[/quote']

 

Unless Aviendha manages to change the future before the attack on the WT, the WT & Tar Valon most certainly will not fall until at least 20+ years after the LB (Aviendha's kids were aproximately 20 years old when they persuaded Andor to fight against the Seanchan & Aviendha isn't even pregnant yet).

[solarz]

It had been twenty years since the Seanchan had gained the Andoran war machines. The Aiel had been tumbling toward

defeat for decades; it was a testament to their tenacious nature that they had lasted so long.

 

The real turning point in the war had been the entry of the other nations. After that' date=' the Seanchan had been able to

seize wetlander peoples and cull more channelers from their ranks. The Ravens were unstoppable; now that Tar Valon had fallen, every realm in the wetlands was subject to the Seanchan.[/quote']

 

Unless Aviendha manages to change the future before the attack on the WT, the WT & Tar Valon most certainly will not fall until at least 20+ years after the LB (Aviendha's kids were aproximately 20 years old when they persuaded Andor to fight against the Seanchan & Aviendha isn't even pregnant yet).

 

It also implies that of all the wetlander realms, Tar Valon was the last to fall.

[XXX]

Avi's vision is not going to happen..even so as long as Tar Valon gets destroyed and the AS get leashed I will be happy.

[solarz]

Avi's vision is not going to happen..even so as long as Tar Valon gets destroyed and the AS get leashed I will be happy.

 

That's not going to happen, but you're free to write your own fanfic. :)

[XXX]

Avi's vision is not going to happen..even so as long as Tar Valon gets destroyed and the AS get leashed I will be happy.

 

That's not going to happen, but you're free to write your own fanfic. :)

 

If Avi's vision become true..that is exactly what is going to happen.

 

One way or the other female Aes Sedai monopoly over power come to an end!!

[David Selig]

It had been twenty years since the Seanchan had gained the Andoran war machines. The Aiel had been tumbling toward

defeat for decades; it was a testament to their tenacious nature that they had lasted so long.

 

The real turning point in the war had been the entry of the other nations. After that' date=' the Seanchan had been able to

seize wetlander peoples and cull more channelers from their ranks. The Ravens were unstoppable; now that Tar Valon had fallen, every realm in the wetlands was subject to the Seanchan.[/quote']

 

Unless Aviendha manages to change the future before the attack on the WT, the WT & Tar Valon most certainly will not fall until at least 20+ years after the LB (Aviendha's kids were aproximately 20 years old when they persuaded Andor to fight against the Seanchan & Aviendha isn't even pregnant yet).

The one who persuaded Andor to fight the Seanchan was Aviendha's granddaughter, and it happened 57 years after the Last Battle (17 years of peace initially then 40 years of war between the Aiel and the Seanchan).

[David Selig]

Double post.

[Superhal]

I feel that the "breaking of the Tower" prophecy already came true because of Elaida.

 

One thing I noticed about all the Randland prophecies (not including new ones by way of Foretelling or Dreaming) is that they don't include the Seanchan:

 

1. All the prophecies were made before the Trolloc wars.

 

2. After the Trolloc Wars, Artur Hawkwing was born.

 

3. His ta'veren nature changed the pattern from that point forward, creating the Seanchan and the Return.

 

I just assumed they were like the Mule in the Foundation series: an unknown element that upset the past predictions.

[mb]

As far as I am aware, no prophecy points to the city or the people being destroyed.

the Foretelling of guardians equaling servants, that points against the people becoming destroyed.

 

 

Seanchan, throughout the series they seemed to target people instead of buildings

 

 

Though at the very end of the cycle, everything/everyone might suddenly get destroyed in one moment; followed directly by a "new" Creation.

[Durinax]

by servants does that mean all AS will be leashed into servitude? whereas the AM will be allowed to continue on their way?

[mb]

Leashing (and/or forcing) a servant would to me turn the servant into a slave; since a true servant is technically not forced/leashed.

the Viewing of Cadsuane teaching might indicate a change in Ashamen.

[WMBunt]

The entire premise of the series..what has been built will be destroyed and built again depending on the passing of the ages pretty much makes it almost certain the Tar Valon will be ground into the dust...poor Egwene, I would feel so sad.

 

Why would you be surprised? The whole premise of the series is balance and counterbalance as well (even in the not so thinly veiled Yin and Yang to represent the Aes Sedai...but that has clearly been lost on people as evidenced by the repeated threads ignoring that concept...

 

At least we final got an admission that the OP has an irrational hatred for female Aes Sedai.

[pongjinn]

by servants does that mean all AS will be leashed into servitude? whereas the AM will be allowed to continue on their way?

Aes Sedai means "Servants of All" in the Old Tongue, while Asha'man translates to "Guardian", there's no implication of leashing in that prophecy it's as straightforward as it gets.

[Durinax]

by servants does that mean all AS will be leashed into servitude? whereas the AM will be allowed to continue on their way?

Aes Sedai means "Servants of All" in the Old Tongue, while Asha'man translates to "Guardian", there's no implication of leashing in that prophecy it's as straightforward as it gets.

I wouldnt say as straight forward as it gets. As was pointed out early in the series you could name your mule the people of the dragon and try to take the stone but it will not seize it.

 

I think theres more to this, especially since the true Servants of All are the WO's and Windfinders and the Kin, not AS. but then again I am nit picking, and it truly means that the female channellers will be equal to the male channellers, not just in numbers (which is useless in terms of channelling)

[bsmnt23]

I think we're all going to have to be prepared for a bittersweet ending to the LB. It's pretty much a given the Light will triumph, but a lot that the 3rd age has wrought will be the price. Caemlyn and Tar Valon are both regarded as neck-and-neck the most beautiful city in the world at that point, certainly in Randland. They both seem to allude to Authorian legend Camelot and Avalon which both were lost to myth and legend as the world moved on.