who will link with Rand?

[ina sakhanskaya]

i'm not sure if such topic exists but anyway...

In TofM Rand told Nyneave that he is going to break the seals and link with two Ais Sedai after the breaking to be stronger. He asked Nyneave to be one of these women. Who would be the second one? He wanted it to be Elayne or Avi but we know that the former can't channel since she is pregnant. the latter is going to be pregnant soon, then someone here mentioned that Nynwave is also pregnant...

Question. Why are so many women pregnant? where did the evidence about Nyn's pregnancy come from? and finally: who can Rand link with then?

[farthammer]

He will link with Morgase.

[ina sakhanskaya]

He will link with Morgase.

 

 

oh yeah, very funny. you have such a great sence of humor, man

[Entreri]

i wonder if it will be a threesome or foursome...

[OptimusPrime]

I think hes going to change his plan on it

[Kal11]

I am going to guess Nyn and Moiraine. I am guessing one of her 'finn questions related to Callandor's use/importance for one thing. It would also make for a situation where Moir can play a larger role in TG despite her weakened ability to channel, the power is drawn solely through Rand with Callandor and just requires the direction of a female (I assume that is the mechanic, correct me if I am wrong please). I assume she will have a large role in TG aside from just an advice or counsel role.

[Nightstrike]

I think hes going to change his plan on it.

That's what I think too. Maybe Min will have some idea what to do?

[b3arz3rg3r]

Nyneave and Lanfear. Lanfear drilled the bore, she'll be there to help get it closed again.

[Kestrel]

Nyneave and Lanfear. Lanfear drilled the bore, she'll be there to help get it closed again.

Lanfear / Mierin is significantly weaker than she once was, which rules her out. Moiraine has the same problem. I'm sure they'll both be there to watch (and "advise") but won't link with Rand for Callandor.

 

Re: pregnancies - Nynaeve isn't pregnant. Lan has been away from her too long. If he'd fathered a child by Nynaeve there would have been some evidence of a pregnancy by now. Min had viewings about Aviendha and Elaine's babies by Rand. Min said there was something strange about Aviendha's babies, though, so it's possible the viewing about Aviendha was actually fulfilled by her vision in the columns. (i.e., Aviendha may not ever have "real world" kids by Rand.)

 

The best three candidates to link with Rand and Nynaeve to wield Callandor are the apprentice windfinder Talaan din Gelyn, the 67-year-old grandmother and novice Sharina Melloy, and the former damane Alivia. Talaan is at least as strong as Nynaeve, and the last time we saw her she appeared to be headed for the White Tower with Merilille Sedai. Sharina has the potential to be much stronger than Nynaeve, and Nynaeve encountered her in her Accepted test as "the healer Sharina Sedai." Alivia is significantly stronger than Nynaeve, and Min had a viewing that Alivia would help Rand die.

 

I'm betting Rand will link with Nynaeve and Alivia to wield Callandor.

[OptimusPrime]

I think hes going to change his plan on it.

That's what I think too. Maybe Min will have some idea what to do?

 

I hope its not Min, because reading a few books doesnt make one a philosopher or a problem solver.

 

I think Rand will figure out some stuff about the True Power. Like the Dark One possessing people who have access.

 

(Lol, Ive been banging on about this almost as much as Mazridin. I should stop)

[farthammer]

 

Lanfear / Mierin is significantly weaker than she once was, which rules her out. Moiraine has the same problem. I'm sure they'll both be there to watch (and "advise") but won't link with Rand for Callandor.

 

 

I don't see how that rules her out. She may be weaker than she was but she's still Forsaken strength, so if Nynaeve can handle it then certainly she could.

[Vambram]

Wouldn't Moiraine still be eligible to be a powerful part of the circle with that strong angreal which the 'Finns gave her?

[OptimusPrime]

 

Lanfear / Mierin is significantly weaker than she once was, which rules her out. Moiraine has the same problem. I'm sure they'll both be there to watch (and "advise") but won't link with Rand for Callandor.

 

 

I don't see how that rules her out. She may be weaker than she was but she's still Forsaken strength, so if Nynaeve can handle it then certainly she could.

 

Exactly.

 

Lanfear was as strong as a woman could possibly be. As Cyndane, she is still stronger than Graendal. Graendal is not weaker than Moghedien, no chance. Neither is Nynaeve, for that matter. Nynaeve can use it, which means Graendal can, which of course means Cyndane can, even at her significantly reduced strength.

 

Just remember. Significantly weaker doesnt take one from absolute top end to anywhere near the bottom. Alivia is significantly stronger than Nynaeve, and I am not willing to believe Alivia is as strong as a woman can possibly be. Only Lanfear had that in my oppinion.

[Kestrel]

I don't see how that rules her out. She may be weaker than she was but she's still Forsaken strength, so if Nynaeve can handle it then certainly she could.

 

Exactly.

 

Lanfear was as strong as a woman could possibly be. As Cyndane, she is still stronger than Graendal. Graendal is not weaker than Moghedien, no chance. Neither is Nynaeve, for that matter. Nynaeve can use it, which means Graendal can, which of course means Cyndane can, even at her significantly reduced strength.

 

Just remember. Significantly weaker doesnt take one from absolute top end to anywhere near the bottom. Alivia is significantly stronger than Nynaeve, and I am not willing to believe Alivia is as strong as a woman can possibly be. Only Lanfear had that in my oppinion.

There's also the problem of trust - or lack thereof - when Mierin is involved. When men and women link the woman must initiate the link then pass control to the man. Alivia has proven herself trustworthy. Mierin hasn't; I just can't picture Mierin achieving her ultimate desire, gaining absolute power through LTT/Rand, then voluntarily handing it over.

 

Consider the mindtrap too. Mierin is still bound by the mindtrap until Moridin chooses to let her go, which would make as much sense as shooting his own foot off.

[Byzantine279]

In the case of this link it would be a woman in control, Kestrel (or at elast that was how it was explained in how to escape Callandor's effects). A link a 3 with 2 woman and one man is the largest a link can become with a man involved without him having control of the link.

 

Either way: Nyn is not pregnant, she will likely be there. Currently Moiraine (with the angreal) is stronger than she used to be, but I don't think she will be one of those linked with him. For the sake of Min's viewing it is likely that Aliva is the best bet for the second person, since Rand is going to die during it in all likelihood.

[Kestrel]

In the case of this link it would be a woman in control, Kestrel (or at elast that was how it was explained in how to escape Callandor's effects). A link a 3 with 2 woman and one man is the largest a link can become with a man involved without him having control of the link.

 

Either way: Nyn is not pregnant, she will likely be there. Currently Moiraine (with the angreal) is stronger than she used to be, but I don't think she will be one of those linked with him. For the sake of Min's viewing it is likely that Aliva is the best bet for the second person, since Rand is going to die during it in all likelihood.

Since a woman has to be in control, that's all the more reason why Mierin won't be part of the circle. She can't be trusted.

[Luckers]

Suffa?

[Kidicaris]

I have always thought that to Rand, with the might of Callandor, the strength of the two women who he would link with was a trivial matter. They were just there because two was the bare minimum needed to form the link between man and woman to buffer the flaws inherent to Callandor. Most important to Rand was trust, and further most important in the actual struggle that he will have with the Dark One was the strength of will of the two women present.

 

I can't know how RJ has written it, but it would not surprise me if the actual battle was a contest of wills and the One Power was just used to fix the bore. Of course, I wouldn't begrudge an awesome One Power fight where Rand and an avatar of the DO wielding the True Power slap it outttttt either. Yet the DO (that close to the bore) can actually effect reality itself and I always imagined that he would sort of draw Rand and co. into a bubble of evil where we'd get a scene reminiscent of the other test of wills/battles we've seen in the past that took place in T'A'R. I haven't read any specific descriptions of the actual sealing three-thousand years ago, other than no women were present, so it really could go any way, OP boxing match or Jedi mind tricks.

 

If, if if if I am right, then Nyneave and Moiraine would be my top picks for Rand's current bare minimum link plan. Sure there are other powerful women--and men, that could be used to extend the link, but every new mind would be another possible weak link in a chain.

 

I was just reading up on links in the wot wiki, very interesting. I actually learned stuff that I did not know. It's kind of shaking up my thoughts on Rand's plan, and who should go with him. Hmmm. Must go ponder.

[Aiyen kin Leary]

I don't see how that rules her out. She may be weaker than she was but she's still Forsaken strength, so if Nynaeve can handle it then certainly she could.

 

Exactly.

 

Lanfear was as strong as a woman could possibly be. As Cyndane, she is still stronger than Graendal. Graendal is not weaker than Moghedien, no chance. Neither is Nynaeve, for that matter. Nynaeve can use it, which means Graendal can, which of course means Cyndane can, even at her significantly reduced strength.

 

Just remember. Significantly weaker doesnt take one from absolute top end to anywhere near the bottom. Alivia is significantly stronger than Nynaeve, and I am not willing to believe Alivia is as strong as a woman can possibly be. Only Lanfear had that in my oppinion.

There's also the problem of trust - or lack thereof - when Mierin is involved. When men and women link the woman must initiate the link then pass control to the man. Alivia has proven herself trustworthy. Mierin hasn't; I just can't picture Mierin achieving her ultimate desire, gaining absolute power through LTT/Rand, then voluntarily handing it over.

 

Consider the mindtrap too. Mierin is still bound by the mindtrap until Moridin chooses to let her go, which would make as much sense as shooting his own foot off.

 

Mierin initiates the link and gains control?

 

Daughter of the Night she walks again, the ancient war she yet fights.

Her new lover she seeks who will server her and die, yet serve still.

Who can stand against her coming? The Shining Walls shall kneel.

 

Sound familiar?

[chuckievi]

There is nothing barring Lanfear. Nyn brings Lanfear into the circle, passes control to Rand. No trusting needed.

[OptimusPrime]

What would happen if, say, Cyndane killed the other woman while linked?

[chuckievi]

Probably bad things. I just felt the need to point out the flaw in the logic excluding her from the party. If her expertise is deemed to be helpful, there is nothing stopping them from using her. Nyn initiates, draws Cyndane in, binds her in air, passes control to Rand, commence destruction.

 

There I added some air binding.

[Kidicaris]

Probably bad things. I just felt the need to point out the flaw in the logic excluding her from the party. If her expertise is deemed to be helpful, there is nothing stopping them from using her. Nyn initiates, draws Cyndane in, binds her in air, passes control to Rand, commence destruction.

 

There I added some air binding.

 

The flaw in the logic of excluding her? What about the logic of including her if you can't even trust her not to knife your liver.

It's true they could just bind her up, but then why include her at all? So we can get descriptions of her now very amble bosoms heaving against bonds of Air? A person not trusted to move around you could not be trusted to do anything, much less describe what to do about the bore.

Perhaps she was there for her raw strength? Yet, there are (now) more powerful women in the WoT, certainly even minor walk on Talaan would be more trusted, or Rand could just extend the circle.

 

On the flip, I think Lanfear would find it humorous that LTT did not trust her and had bound her in her own flows of Air. I imagine her making jokes about it, which would quickly turn sexual in nature..... before spiraling full out into a crazy stalker breakdown about other women he may have wrapped in flows of Air.

ter'blah blah blah that blond b*tch, I loved you first

ni'blah blah blah i'll kill you allll! el'blah blah blah

I love you.

I'll kill you!

I love you.

I'll flay your soul!

[Niniel]

I have always imagined it to be Nyn and Moiraine. Even when Moiraine was "dead" that was my first suggestion. In the start there were a lot of tensions between them. Nyn disliked Moiraine and blamed her for what happend to Rand and co. Then she fell in love with Lan and was jellous of Moiraine. It wasn´t until after Moiraines "dead" that she understod that she was wrong. It would kind of sum it up if they worked together at last. And they are the two that have supported Rand fullheartedly and he trusts them both.

[lews reborn]

I think it will be Moraine and Nyn. With Moraines new Angreal her strength will be more then what it used to be also this way the link will be controlled by rand to use Lews' memmories to seal the bore. Also I see Narishma, Alivia and Cadsuane linked with Collandor allowing Alivia to 'help' Rand die.