Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[Myndrunner]

I am intrigued at MCS's sudden activity and his staunch defense of Nae. I also think it is interesting that he isn't the only one arguing with Nyn, like Killulilulllulu!

 

I also find it interesting that Drew is expecting both Nyn and Nae to flip innocent.

[Naeann]

I was silenced and then forgot about the game.

 

That being said. -shrugs- Nae.

[Naeann]

I was silenced and then forgot about the game.

 

That being said. -shrugs- Nae.

 

Didn't glow. >.<

 

Nae.

[Myndrunner]

I was silenced and then forgot about the game.

 

That being said. -shrugs- Nae.

 

This is a-typical of Nae in these games. I'm feeling much better about the Nae lynch now.

[mcs0083]

That's mainly my point everyone! Of course she is going after Nae, because it Is between the two of them, and Nyn has said she believes it. If she was innocent, she would have questioned Mynd's N reading right off. However because she is scum and knows it, She believes Mynd's logic completely!

 

Do you remember that Mynd's "A" hint led to Amadine? You know...scum Amadine?

 

So it does lend credence to a "N" player being scum, thereby making Nyn's post a normal reaction.

 

FOS you for not seeing that.

 

Verb, I'm not disputing Mynd's theory. And yeah, Nyn POSTING in general in response to the situation was to be expected. What wasn't was her mannerism in the posts. I am not saying 100% that Nyn is mafia, but just that what she has posted is a bit shifty to me.

 

I am intrigued at MCS's sudden activity and his staunch defense of Nae. I also think it is interesting that he isn't the only one arguing with Nyn, like Killulilulllulu!

 

Mynd, I am not defending Nae. I wouldn't have gone on the offensive if Nyn hadn't made that post. I was responding to HER response to your theory. If I was trying to defend Nae, wouldn't I have immediately responded to you about your theory with those concerns?

 

I was silenced and then forgot about the game.

 

That being said. -shrugs- Nae.

 

Didn't glow. >.<

 

Nae.

I was silenced and then forgot about the game.

 

That being said. -shrugs- Nae.

 

This is a-typical of Nae in these games. I'm feeling much better about the Nae lynch now.

 

Well then... this was unexpected. We can't know for certain Nae's alignment from this, but it would seem she's lost interest in the game, to the point of voting for herself. Not sure what to make of it as far as any ulterior motives go... I'll have to think about that.

[bgrishinko]

BG returned from his trip over the weekend to find Mynd claimed a new visit to the Finns. Knowing that there is a "N" vote is something that is potentially useful. BG wondered though about Mynd being able to see the Finn again as it seemed apparent from the books that this action would be an extremely weird and rare thing to occur, if impossible. Maybe it was different in this game though. Either way, Mynd should have been given 2 more questions which he convieniently left out.

 

BG hoped Mynd would tell the town what the other questions he asked this time around were.

[Talya]

I wonder if he actually has three questions. This was his second. But it does sound a bit odd.

 

It does sound like Nae has given up the only consolation if she is town is Ahmoon getting Nyn.

 

So Vote Nae

[killuliu]

I also think it is interesting that he isn't the only one arguing with Nyn, like Killulilulllulu!

 

;D Got the love way my name is spell once again: it's usually easier if people just call me Kil.

But I'm not sure if I understand your message (mainly the word "like" is confusing me): so does that mean that He isn't the only one arguing with Nyn, as I'm there also, or what? Because I read it like that he isn't the only one arguing with Nyn, whereas I'm. (English ain't my native language so sometimes I'm a tad bit confused, sorry)

 

 

I was silenced and then forgot about the game.

 

That being said. -shrugs- Nae.

 

Didn't glow. >.<

 

Nae.

 

Well that's interesting. Technically the fact that she claims being silenced could mean that she would be innocent (though not really) and if she would be "sacrificed" for silencing by other mafias, why wouldn't she continue being active after that? I find it hard to believe someone would forget the game where she is involved in such plots. And am I the only one thinking of compulsion also (or "compulsion" for that matter)?

At the moment I'm close to changing my vote, but not just yet, I wait just a little more, for my gut feeling to get hang of things..

 

And am I only one who finds it odd that Mcs hasn't voted anyone yet?

[killuliu]

I wonder if he actually has three questions. This was his second. But it does sound a bit odd.

 

Forget from my previous post: Mynd claimed previous he got all the three answers (duh me, forget that yesterday, shouldn't have), and the two others were pretty much useless, and the third one gave the A-list. So this would be fourth answer. I will try to find the post about it from the earlier pages.

[killuliu]

 

Again, there are a lot of things at play in this game and I didn't want to put my neck out there until things played out a lot more. Why announce to the world that I was a town role-blocker and slap a target on my back before I could use it?

 

I learned two things of worth. I had to specify which questions were to the Mod and which ones were to the snakes. I wasted the first one on Songs 1.0 (aka. Perrin), trying to figure out where the truth was but my question was poorly worded and I ended up with something along the lines of who she targeted not if it was valid or not, nor what the effects were. The "Who is Mafia?" question was second and thus birthed the A-List. The third and final question was who I am because I am not a named player. The bloody snakes said "Why, you're Myndrunner of course!" I can hear their hissing laughter now, sounds like Womby! *shakes fist*

 

So if I read this correctly, Mynd already asked three questions?

[dapianoplay3r]

Im assuming that he got a chance to go again but that seems really unlikely. Did you get three more or what mynd???

When Ive played as mafia ive almost always claimed miller and saved myself for atleast another day or two. Im inclined not to believe it rather than to believe the claim.

As for Nae voting herself. I was going to vote her but in my experience the mafia almost never give up on a game as they have their team on the QT that they have to answer to. SO for that reason im hesitating. But then again I dont really find Nyn all that scummy.

[Nynaeve]

That's mainly my point everyone! Of course she is going after Nae, because it Is between the two of them, and Nyn has said she believes it. If she was innocent, she would have questioned Mynd's N reading right off. However because she is scum and knows it, She believes Mynd's logic completely!

 

That post makes no sense what so ever. lol FOS on MCS.

 

I never said I believe Mynd completly. There is no guarantee in a mafia game. But I am willing to take this tip as a valid one based on the success of his A tip. And also because I've had a feeling throughout the game that Mynd is town. Something I've expressed several times throughout the game. The bottom line is that I would have been in a better situation had I questioned Mynd. But seeing as I'm more invested in Town winning rather than my own survival I'm willing to support a notion that puts me at a risk for a lynch, if that means we're going to bag a scum in the proccess.

 

 

Nyn

[Myndrunner]

This trip to the Fins could have gone down something like this:

 

1) "Who are the remaining mafia?" - "a Forsaken" (duh!)

 

2) "Is this Forsaken Male or Female?" - "Female" (could mean character or player)

 

3) "What is the player name of this Forsaken?" - "A name that begins with the letter N"

 

Since there are only two players (male or female) whose name begins with N, it stands to reason its either Nae or Nyn.

 

But I am not content, as the rest of us shouldn't be, with simply lynching one of them. Let's get everyone to voice their opinions. Where is Kwom? Why did Nae vote herself and commit Game-a-Cide?! She forgot about the game but then was some how reminded when the lynch was growing on her? Sounds like sour grapes to me. Why are MCS and Kill not voting Nae? And why does Drew expect both players (Nae and Nyn) to flip innocent?

[Alanna]

Vote Nae

[Myndrunner]

Vote Nae

 

Look at everyone coming out of the woodwork to vote!

 

Pssst.....Alanna, don't worry, this isn't Twitter, you can type more than 140 words!

[DrewRiley]

Im assuming that he got a chance to go again but that seems really unlikely. Did you get three more or what mynd???

When Ive played as mafia ive almost always claimed miller and saved myself for atleast another day or two. Im inclined not to believe it rather than to believe the claim.

As for Nae voting herself. I was going to vote her but in my experience the mafia almost never give up on a game as they have their team on the QT that they have to answer to. SO for that reason im hesitating. But then again I dont really find Nyn all that scummy.

 

Right, but the difference is you probably claimed Miller after a scum read. I claimed after an innocent read. If I were scum, why wouldn't I just keep my mouth shut? I know, I know, wifom trap, but still, our situations aren't the same.

 

 

And why does Drew expect both players (Nae and Nyn) to flip innocent?

 

I think you took that comment a little too seriously, Mynd. I expect one of them to be scum, and I'm leaning towards Nae right now. It would be chaotic if they both flipped innocent, but I don't expect it.

[mcs0083]

That's mainly my point everyone! Of course she is going after Nae, because it Is between the two of them, and Nyn has said she believes it. If she was innocent, she would have questioned Mynd's N reading right off. However because she is scum and knows it, She believes Mynd's logic completely!

 

That post makes no sense what so ever. lol FOS on MCS.

 

I never said I believe Mynd completly. There is no guarantee in a mafia game. But I am willing to take this tip as a valid one based on the success of his A tip. And also because I've had a feeling throughout the game that Mynd is town. Something I've expressed several times throughout the game. The bottom line is that I would have been in a better situation had I questioned Mynd. But seeing as I'm more invested in Town winning rather than my own survival I'm willing to support a notion that puts me at a risk for a lynch, if that means we're going to bag a scum in the proccess.

 

 

Nyn

 

Well either you missed the post I made after that one, or you just don't have a way of debating it. Anyway, I said at the end of my last post that I needed to think about Nae voting for herself, and I have. There is a chance that she could be a bomb or a jester, but you'd think someone with a role like that would've been more interested in the game. Therefor she would have been more active. More than anything else, this has intrigued me in regards to what Nae really is. So for the moment I Vote Nae.

[killuliu]

Honestly, something in Mynd is smelling really bad now. I will try to make an analyze once I have a bit more time later today, but still! Most likely it will only lead to me being hanged in two or three days, depending on how things flip.. But I'll be back in few hours :)

 

Mynd: I haven't been given any real reasons to vote Nae (but neither Nyn) besides your N claim, and especially the Nae voting for herself seems a bit odd, so I refuse to change my vote just yet.

[Myndrunner]

It's prolly my aftershave.

 

Here is the thing, I've played numerous games with Nae Nae before and she never backs down when she's town. I love her to pieces but she puts her heart into these games and often is a very successful scumhunter. When she's pinned as mafia, however, she folds, which is what she pretty much is doing here. I would be highly surprised and disappointed if she flips innocent; however, as Moon said, we can take care of Nyn another way.

 

Note that MCS reluctantly voted for Nae after she decided to vote herself. In fact, anyone who voted Nae after she committed Game-a-Cide should not be considered town by any means.

 

Kill is really looking sketchy right now. His reluctance to vote Nae does not show a pro-town attitude. He is not questioning Nae's alignment, but rather he is questioning my second trip to the snakes here. Why would he have any reason to question this since the A list worked out?

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count:

 

Nae (9): Nyn, Drew, Ahmoondah, Mynd, Nae, Talya, Alanna, MCS

Nyn (1): Killuliu

 

Deadline: Wednesday, 11:00 AM ET. 10 to lynch.

[Alanna]

We're not on Twitter? *iz confused*

 

Sorry for my, erm, laconic-ness lately. I became the new Aiel SG last week, and since we hadn't had an SG for about 3 months, I had a lot to catch up on and do. I actually still have a lot to do, but since I got most of the major stuff done, I feel like I can relax a little more now. So I'll try to get back into this game and be more active. I have completely kept up with reading the thread, though.

 

Honestly, between Nae and Nyn, I was kind of leaning more towards Nyn until Nae folded. I've honestly never seen Nae play this inactively, so I wasn't sure what to make of her until then. I still wasn't sure that meant she's mafia, only that she doesn't care to play anymore. If what Mynd says about her folding when she's going down as scum is true, though, then I feel okay about it, I guess.

[killuliu]

Sorry for a tad bit lengthy message, but here is what I promised:

 

What bothers me about Mynd is that he has visited the snakes twice. We know that has happened in the series, but we know it has happened only once the book 13 came out, and I strongly doubt he would be Mat (for one reason, he claimed to be DR and got some powers, but for other reasons also).

 

At the moment we have 18 people alive. We had 37, so we have lost 19 players. We have lost 14 townies, lynched 3 mafias, got rid of one SK and 1 neutral. So we have lost 14 townies and 5 non-townies (neutral isn't town as he is as happy when town loses as when town wins). If Naenn flips innocent today, we will be down to 17 players, at night we will very likely loose one townie, down to 16, and the next day we would for sure follow Mynd's N list: what if Nyn would flip innocent too? Down to 15 (and after the next night 14).

Mynd estimated that in any game, mafia is 20%-25% of players. That would mean we had 7-9 mafias to begin with. So we would now have 2-4 or 3-5 mafias, depending on whether neutral is counted as mafia or not when the game is created.

So in worst possible scenario we would have 5 mafias and 9 town. In better scenario, 3 mafias and 11 towns, depending on the ratio of scums (if anyone can confirm which one is more likely, it would be good). IMO 5 mafias and 9 town isn't too good scenario. It wouldn't be far from the end. Of course then we could be pretty sure Mynd is a scum and we could lynch him, giving us 4:9 for the night and after that, 4:8. Not the end of the world yet, but something to consider.

 

Ok I must admit that his A list worked in the end. But if you have studied any (probability) mathematics, you know it was pretty likely. After all, we had Austicles, Amoondah, Alanna, AJ, Aemon, Amadine and Adella (total of 7). That makes 7/37~19% of the players. And Mynd said that usually around 20%-25% of the players in any game are mafia (that would make 7-9 in this game). Considering that nearly 1/5th of the players' names began with A, and that around 1/5th of the players are mafia, it is very likely that one of the As would be mafia. Of course it isn't certain, but likely at least.

So what if the Mafia had chosen to sacrifice Amadine for the “greater good”? What if they had wished it would take longer for us to choose the right one to lynch? If we would have killed like three of our own before finding her?

 

Also once Nae voted for herself, I was thinking of Compulsion again, so wouldn't it make a perfect case for the mafia, that they compulse Nae to vote for herself and then say “Yes, that 's what she usually does when she is found out, so yes, she is mafia”? But don't know about it, I honestly don't.

 

Of course nothing of this proves that Mynd is faking everything, but also we shouldn't blindly trust everything we are given in this game :)

 

Once I made all these calculations, I realized that it would be a stupid gambit from the mafia at the moment, as the odds aren't that much on their sides. I thought that the odds would be like 4:5 after both Ns had been lynched (win for Mafia) but I was wrong, so most of this post is in vain :D

But let's hope Mynd is right and we find a scum from the Ns..

 

I know this must make me look like scum, but so be it, I know I'm not mafia, I just hope this helps to find out who is mafia..

[Myndrunner]

Kill, your post did one thing. It convinced me you are town. If anyone knows more about when its time to roll the dice, its you.

[Moon Sedai]

You know, if it wasn't for the DR claim, I'd think Mynd was my good buddy Mat.

[Myndrunner]

You know, if it wasn't for the DR claim, I'd think Mynd was my good buddy Mat.

 

Sorry to disappoint you, Carne Asada Carn, but I am in no way claiming or even hinting that I am or could be Mat. I am sure the Gambler is among us and is tossing the dice. Makes me continue to wonder about some of the other players in the game.