Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[Nynaeve]

These were her posts towards you, Quibby:

 

The message he received from me? I didn't send it. Him trying to pin it on me reeks.

 

Quibby, your contradicting yourself. on Day 2 you admitted to sending a message to me that we know got redirected to Aemon. we also know that Aemon got 2 messages that day. you also said that due to the nature of your role, that you believe scum might have the ability to traverse T'A'R and send messages as well.

 

you also denied to admit which message you sent because you believed it would implicate you in some way (i know this cause i'm the one who asked uyou on thread if you could tell which message you sent)

 

you trying to deny having sent a message to me which got transferred to Aemon reeks tbh. have you sent any more messages and can people confirm that they've recieved messages?

 

 

 

before anyone else confimrs or denys having messages sent to them; i think it's best if Quibby tells us who he sent them to before; and then they confirm that they recieved one, not what they recieved just that they did recieve a message. otherwise Quibby has a nice list already made for him if he is lieing. the fact that he outted himself Day 2 for fear of beign on Perrin's list gives him a little more credit; but now that it appears he's denying having sent a message at all i'm weary of him.

 

Quibby - your silience is damning, we know you weren't silenced like Aust as you've posted today; and Mynd, Aemon & Vam were only silenced after Key claimed and you haven't claimed to be Dragon in this thread. care to explain yourself before i start pushing for your lynch based on your tight lippedness

 

 

*makes tea*

 

 

 

Nyn

[Myndrunner]

BG felt that before we narrow in on the "A" vote, a vote for Mynd would prove whether this "A" business was true or not. What if all the A's were innocent? Only after killing them all would the town learn of Mynd's deceit. On the other hand, A Mynd lynch would let the town know for sure if the A person was true, allowing a near guarantee vote the next day.

 

So on the basis that a vote should be made that gives the most information as previously stated:

 

Mynd is DarkFriend: Yay, the town won a lynch.

Mynd is Town: We lose a roleblocker. :( But, Town knows to go after Amadine or Alanna. Also: Drew looks real bad.

 

Game, Set, and Match.

 

BG is making multiple assumptions that shred his logic. I'm really getting tired of saying the same thing over and over, so I'll try a different method:

 

1) Mynd could be town aligned and still lying about the A-list. Mynd could be scum and telling the truth about the A-list. If Amadine flips scum, that should not exonerate me as town by any rights. There are, however, reasons to believe me to be town, which I am surprised you still haven't discovered....

 

2) The mafia roleblocker is dead - Be'lal. To have more than one roleblocker on a scum team is completely unfair.

 

3) I have been casing suspects, not attempting to discredit others. When I make an accusation, i always have something to back it up besides "Mynd thinks BG is full of bullshanks"

 

I am curious as to why BG is trying to keep us from lynching Amadine, especially since he vouched for Adella, another (currently exonerated) A-Lister.

[DrewRiley]

I thought I would add something to this. I'm on the Mason team with BG and Adella. They can corrobarate this.

 

My vote stays where it is...

 

BG corroborated this message as true.

 

BG felt that before we narrow in on the "A" vote, a vote for Mynd would prove whether this "A" business was true or not. What if all the A's were innocent? Only after killing them all would the town learn of Mynd's deceit. On the other hand, A Mynd lynch would let the town know for sure if the A person was true, allowing a near guarantee vote the next day.

 

So on the basis that a vote should be made that gives the most information as previously stated:

 

Mynd is DarkFriend: Yay, the town won a lynch.

Mynd is Town: We lose a roleblocker. :( But, Town knows to go after Amadine or Alanna. Also: Drew looks real bad.

 

Game, Set, and Match.

 

I think at this point, BG, the Amadine lynch isn't based on the A-list, but on Aust's finding of Amadine. I would still be voting for her if her name was Vamadine.

[Myndrunner]

I think at this point, BG, the Amadine lynch isn't based on the A-list, but on Aust's finding of Amadine. I would still be voting for her if her name was Vamadine.

 

Ok, this made me laugh out loud literally!

[bgrishinko]

I think at this point, BG, the Amadine lynch isn't based on the A-list, but on Aust's finding of Amadine. I would still be voting for her if her name was Vamadine.

 

Ok, this made me laugh out loud literally!

 

Haha. BG also approved of this comment.

[bgrishinko]

BG felt that before we narrow in on the "A" vote, a vote for Mynd would prove whether this "A" business was true or not. What if all the A's were innocent? Only after killing them all would the town learn of Mynd's deceit. On the other hand, A Mynd lynch would let the town know for sure if the A person was true, allowing a near guarantee vote the next day.

 

So on the basis that a vote should be made that gives the most information as previously stated:

 

Mynd is DarkFriend: Yay, the town won a lynch.

Mynd is Town: We lose a roleblocker. :( But, Town knows to go after Amadine or Alanna. Also: Drew looks real bad.

 

Game, Set, and Match.

 

BG is making multiple assumptions that shred his logic. I'm really getting tired of saying the same thing over and over, so I'll try a different method:

 

1) Mynd could be town aligned and still lying about the A-list. Mynd could be scum and telling the truth about the A-list. If Amadine flips scum, that should not exonerate me as town by any rights. There are, however, reasons to believe me to be town, which I am surprised you still haven't discovered....

 

2) The mafia roleblocker is dead - Be'lal. To have more than one roleblocker on a scum team is completely unfair.

 

3) I have been casing suspects, not attempting to discredit others. When I make an accusation, i always have something to back it up besides "Mynd thinks BG is full of bullshanks"

 

I am curious as to why BG is trying to keep us from lynching Amadine, especially since he vouched for Adella, another (currently exonerated) A-Lister.

 

 

1) If Mynd was town and made up the A-List, then the lynch on Ahmoonda was unfounded and blasphemy and poorly played as town. By this point, it would be helpful to know if it was faked... unless Mynd wants to kill off all A's, just to be sure. Agreed, the A-list could also be a mafia ploy to prove Mynd "innocent" when one of them does get shanked. A guilty Amadine does not exonerate Mynd. Well said. Which reasons show Mynd is town that BG has not discovered? He was sure that many minds, other than his own, would be happy to hear the reasons.

 

2) BG doesn't really believe that Mynd is a true roleblocker currently, especially if he is Mafia. Even if he is a true one (good or bad), apparently Mynd's power came from his half serious Dragon Reborn claim and not from the start of the game.

 

3) BG thinks Mynd is full of Bullshanks. For every person that BG has built a case on, he has had evidence and reasons for his vote that can be easily found.

 

4) @Drew BG agreed on trench's last words and his accusation of Amadine based on Aust's findings. However, BG thought that maybe Aust's certainty might also be partially based on a process of elimination from the A-list. BG also was willing to take out Amadine should the Town require it.

 

Part of BG kinda felt like Mynd and Drew had some sort of elaborate mafia plan running... but it was just a feeling that he could not prove.

 

 

[Talya]

Until today, no one knew I was on the Mason team with BG and Adella. The only reason I can think on why we haven't been killed, or actually two reasons

 

1. Because it can make us look suspicious, because people will say 'oh look a confirmed mason team why aren't they dead'

2. Because killing one of us will prove the other two correct and so confirm two people, at present, no one knows for definate.

 

Questions spring to mind with the healer being lynched yesterday, is why Aemon is still alive? Again the two reasons above may give too much away or they could be trying to set him up.

 

Mynd, you say you are a roleblocker, but we can't prove that, so we cannot take it as fact at the moment.

 

If I wasn't voting for BG, and I have to say my vote will stay there no matter what. Quibby or Amadine would look good. Mynd I'm still suspicious of, I know what he is trying to do with his 'flushes' (at least his loo is working!), but not necessarily to be trusted...lol

[Quibby]

These were her posts towards you, Quibby:

 

The message he received from me? I didn't send it. Him trying to pin it on me reeks.

 

Quibby, your contradicting yourself. on Day 2 you admitted to sending a message to me that we know got redirected to Aemon. we also know that Aemon got 2 messages that day. you also said that due to the nature of your role, that you believe scum might have the ability to traverse T'A'R and send messages as well.

 

you also denied to admit which message you sent because you believed it would implicate you in some way (i know this cause i'm the one who asked uyou on thread if you could tell which message you sent)

 

you trying to deny having sent a message to me which got transferred to Aemon reeks tbh. have you sent any more messages and can people confirm that they've recieved messages?

 

 

 

before anyone else confimrs or denys having messages sent to them; i think it's best if Quibby tells us who he sent them to before; and then they confirm that they recieved one, not what they recieved just that they did recieve a message. otherwise Quibby has a nice list already made for him if he is lieing. the fact that he outted himself Day 2 for fear of beign on Perrin's list gives him a little more credit; but now that it appears he's denying having sent a message at all i'm weary of him.

 

Quibby - your silience is damning, we know you weren't silenced like Aust as you've posted today; and Mynd, Aemon & Vam were only silenced after Key claimed and you haven't claimed to be Dragon in this thread. care to explain yourself before i start pushing for your lynch based on your tight lippedness

 

 

*makes tea*

 

 

 

Nyn

 

The message that Aemon attributed to me was one that I did not send. Plain and simple.

 

The one that I sent instead said that the Horn of Valere was claimed by an innocent.

 

Now, to stave off the inevitable question...

 

I have the Horn of Valere. It grants immunity to night kills.

[bgrishinko]

BG warned quibby to be careful of thieves.

[Myndrunner]

I'm not asking for anyone to trust me, trust the logic. Truth is truth no matter who speaks it. If you don't agree with anything I say, no one is holding a gun to your head to vote with me.

 

BG needs to go back and re-read the Ahmoondah lynch and see that there were a lot more than just the A-List reason to vote him. Besides, even without the A-list, there weren't a whole lot of non-A named player options at that time.

 

CurtDragon lynched himself and should be embarassed at not claiming his doctor power before his lynch.

 

I am curious as to why Quibby is announcing that he has an item. @Quibby, what was the reason you announced this? (NOTE: I am not submitting a thief play on you.)

[Talya]

(NOTE: I am not submitting a thief play on you.)

 

HAHA, that made me laugh!

 

Bit of an odd reveal. Especially with the vultures around...

 

I have seen no proof on what anyone says being Truth...As for your, well if your have a thesaurus then you should be able to tell, well again, words are words and anyone can say them, and I do not have the time nor the inclination to look up every single word someone says. Besides, they are just words and unless backed up by evidence don't always mean too much! But then thats what we have to decide, whether there is evidence or not. That is always debatable. I'm now waffling as I'm still not well and been at my daughters show and I should go to bed before I collapse over my computer, but i'm too tired to move....

[Myndrunner]

All I am saying is that there are logical reasons to lynch Amadine right now that have nothing to do with me.

 

Don't seek to lynch me out of fear. If you have a logical argument, let's hear it.

[alannalynn]

Hm Interesting. Not sure where to place my vote yet, but leaning towards Ama, not Mynd.

 

Mynd did you receive your RB power when you first "claimed" DR, when you got the A List, or when the true DR revealed?

[Moon Sedai]

 

Trench, Thom Merrilin, Vanilla Townie has been nightkilled.

 

 

It is now Day 7. With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch. You have until 8 PM on Monday to lynch someone

Although I'll miss Thom's assistance, I frigggin KNEW trench had mad gleeman powers!

[Quibby]

I revealed because I would have had to explain how I knew who had the Horn of Valere anyway.

 

And to all of you who just sent in my name for thief plays... heh heh heh... You really don't think I'd tip my whole hand, do you?

[Myndrunner]

Mynd did you receive your RB power when you first "claimed" DR, when you got the A List, or when the true DR revealed?

 

yes

[bgrishinko]

Mynd did you receive your RB power when you first "claimed" DR, when you got the A List, or when the true DR revealed?

 

Oh come on.

 

yes

[bgrishinko]

Mynd did you receive your RB power when you first "claimed" DR, when you got the A List, or when the true DR revealed?

 

yes

 

Oh come on.

[bgrishinko]

BG thought that perhaps working in congress was probably a lot like Mafia.

[Myndrunner]

BG thought that perhaps working in congress was probably a lot like Mafia.

Talking about your "mason" team again?

[dapianoplay3r]

I revealed because I would have had to explain how I knew who had the Horn of Valere anyway.

 

And to all of you who just sent in my name for thief plays... heh heh heh... You really don't think I'd tip my whole hand, do you?

 

So I sent in my theif play before I read this thread like I have been everyday.

Quibby! dont post after me or I will get your item (unless you want me to then you might as well just gift it)

Im not sure if it works but if you gift it will any people that made a successful steal just not get anything? If so give it to someone you trust or there will be heaps of others after it, most likely mafia.

 

Ok now thats out of the way I can say what I was planning to say. I think the Ama lynch is a good idea but Ive also very suspectful (that's not a real word is it?) Drew and (not so much now) Quibby. If Ama does flip scum then your going back up to the top of my list because of your sudden change of heart which Mynd pointed out all those posts ago

VOTE AMA

[killuliu]

I have always loved the logic "If someone flips innocent/mafia, then someone else must be town/mafia".. I think that BG and some others are a bit too laser focused on Mynd (though I admit he is a little bit suspicious) and won't see anybody else as possible mafia, though in my opinion the case against Ama is very strong.

[dapianoplay3r]

I played a game as mafia once and we lost to that logic. Once one of us fell then the rest were doomed. We could only really watch as we lost

[alannalynn]

Mynd, that was an A, B, OR C question, you can't just say yes to the whole thing unless you think it would give too much away and I'll happily not ask further.

 

I think the "If Bob flips innocent, Joe is mafia" logic is faulty in almost every instance.

[killuliu]

Indeed. This far in the game, there are several connections between people, so we could really make endless chain of "if X flips innocent/mafia, Y must be innocent/mafia".. So I'm against any hanging just to "find out someone else's faction". I admit that the Mason team seems a bit odd, but if we would lynch any of them and found out he would be mafia, it wouldn't necessarily mean the rest are mafia: they could be lying because they see that claiming to be part of Mason team could secure them from lynching, and for same reason, if any of them is innocent, it doesn't guarantee that the rest of them are also.