Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[alannalynn]

I prefer to go after a more active player who is only reading what he wants to see in posts rather than doing any actual scum casing. He freaked out when he saw his name among 12 others as a list of possible lynches. That kind of overreaction leads me to believe that Curtdragon is not acting like a scum-hunter but more like a scum-huntee.

And I'd like to go after someone who actively seeks to hang town.

He may have been viewed innocent but look at how Vamb came up: neutral/framer sounds like exactly what Mynd is

Vote Mynd

That's some pretty weak reasoning, hon.

[hotpocket2006]

Vote Curt He's been pinging me from the start, but I put that off as newbness. Now it just keeps getting worse and worse. It'll help us find out what's up with Aemon. He also keep complaining about voting and lynching but he has done nothing the whole game to convince anybody to vote his way. Just complains about outcomes a lot.

[hotpocket2006]

VOTE CURT

[Myndrunner]

LOL! I think CurtDragon used to be a FBI Agent?

 

 

On the whole thing with Kwom: The Bus-Driver power, as I understand it, is a protection power that can be both a town or a mafia benefit. Having several players in the game that we've been pretty sure are who they say they are (Songs 1.0, Red, Aemon, etc) I find it a bit frustrating to have someone inactively using his protective power when it could have prevented some deaths. If I had such power, I would divert all targets from the player I deemed most valuable (like Rand or Moraine?) and divert to the player I felt most likely scum. At the absolute worst case scenario, use the power to divert to an inactive.

 

No matter how you look at it, Kwom's power is a source of information. By NOT using it, he is hurting the town. Again, like it was said before, either he scum and purposely trying to lay low OR he needs to start playing the game. I mean, what if I said I don't know who to powerblock because I might accidentally block a townie? You gotta use your power, bro!

 

*Note: The above pic is a Survivor reference.

[Nynaeve]

Aemon, could you please clarify if you viewed Curt as town or not? I just want to hear it out of you, if you don't mind.

 

Also, I'll be casting my vote on Curt. If Talya is right and both came off town and Aemon is suggesting to lynch one of them to see if he's a naive finder.... then I prefer to go with him. He's been more scummy than Mynd, in my opinion.

 

*runs off to BBQ*

 

 

 

Nyn

[CurtisScafe]

Here is all I have to say:

You say I have been pinging yet the only thing I have done was ask why I was on a list.

Here is the thing, the town that have been alive havent done anything really noteworthy to help weed out the scum

You have been following someone who has lead to two town deaths and starting onto a 3rd.

Another thing is Mynd has been trying to bait me into posting after he has in a sure attempt to get my items.

[alannalynn]

Aemon, could you please clarify if you viewed Curt as town or not? I just want to hear it out of you, if you don't mind.

 

Also, I'll be casting my vote on Curt. If Talya is right and both came off town and Aemon is suggesting to lynch one of them to see if he's a naive finder.... then I prefer to go with him. He's been more scummy than Mynd, in my opinion.

 

*runs off to BBQ*

 

 

 

Nyn

Well, if he wants to test if he's a naive finder, rather clearly he viewed Curt as town. . . or is that too obvious?

[Myndrunner]

Here is all I have to say:

You say I have been pinging yet the only thing I have done was ask why I was on a list.

Here is the thing, the town that have been alive havent done anything really noteworthy to help weed out the scum

You have been following someone who has lead to two town deaths and starting onto a 3rd.

Another thing is Mynd has been trying to bait me into posting after he has in a sure attempt to get my items.

 

Oh, you have items? As in plural?! Nice to know...

 

*sends PM to Mod*

 

[DrewRiley]

Okay, just catching up.

 

@Mynd - Why wouldn't you wait to see if anyone wasn't silenced or compulsed before revealing who you roleblocked? By announcing it early, mafia has an easy chance to frame me by not using their compulsion power. I refuse to believe that an experienced player like you didn't see this, which makes you part of the frame. Honestly, I've thought you were town up until recently, but this is a major sign that you're scum. The other is the revealing post about who started the wagons on innocent lynch victims, and you're on that list. You've also targeted two players today already who don't really have much evidence against them. Curt has been slightly snarky at times but there's nothing substantial against him. Kwom's right that Bus Driving is really dangerous - switch a likely town with a likely mafia and you're likely to move the doctor's action to mafia! Him not using his power unless he's certain about it is prudence.

 

I have no NA, unfortunately, but there's no way for me to prove that, and now that Mynd has let the cat out of the bag, we won't know what to think if someone isn't compulsed or silenced. I really think we need to vote Mynd before he causes anymore chaos. He's scum or Jester, I'm almost positive.

[Moon Sedai]

I'm comfortable lynching Mynd or Curt given the arguments posted by everyone else.

It would be good to discover the validity of Aemon's arguments/

Mynd has been pinging scummy from early on, but Curt has as well.

Mynd pings me harder.

 

Vote Mynd

[Myndrunner]

I'm comfortable lynching Mynd or Curt given the arguments posted by everyone else.

It would be good to discover the validity of Aemon's arguments/

Mynd has been pinging scummy from early on, but Curt has as well.

Mynd pings me harder.

 

Vote Mynd

Why are you basing your vote on "pinging"? How does that help town. If you are going to vote me, at least present a decent argument for why. You seem to be bandwagoning behind Drew here.

 

@Drew, why are you coming after me when I voted Curt? How come you are so locked into that gambit that you are ignoring the current flow of the game? The mafia would have already submitted their night action last night without knowing who my target was, so they can't do anything about it. I find it interesting that we haven't found anyone with compulsion yet.

 

Folks, I think Drew's reaction is quite scummy. He is freaking out because I blocked him and saying that the mafia would use that to frame him. For his logic to make sense, he must believe me to be innocent. For that to make sense, he would have to be mafia himself and knows that no one will show any signs of compulsion. Besides, if you know that I am innocent, why vote for me? If you believe my role-blocking power, then you believe me to be innocent.

 

unvote curtdragon

 

vote DrewoftheRushes

 

You played a great game Drew, but we gotcha. Just curious, are you Graendel?

[Quibby]

Red,

 

I'm sorry I wasn't there to protect you. I feel your loss keenly and am out of my mind with sorrow and pain.

 

Please forgive me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for the rest, Key killed Vambram and Aust was the NK choice for the mafia. I don't understand the choice of Aust, but I doubt it was a random choice.

 

Personally, Quibby is my lead suspect right now.

 

Love you, too, Krak.

 

I'm checking in to let everyone know that I am not Compelled and not silenced, so if you're out to judge based on that, feel free.

 

Also, I am still convinced about a Curt lynch for all the reasons that I've been harping on for the past few days (in-game), i.e., the reaction to a post that had his name listed as only a potential suspect, not as full-out Evil McEvilBadness. That said, I would not be adverse to a Drew lynch, but I would be more hesitant because the pings I'm getting off him are nothing more concrete than a hunch, and I don't want to vote based on only a hunch. I'll be reviewing the thread in detail over the next 12 hours.

[DrewRiley]

I'm comfortable lynching Mynd or Curt given the arguments posted by everyone else.

It would be good to discover the validity of Aemon's arguments/

Mynd has been pinging scummy from early on, but Curt has as well.

Mynd pings me harder.

 

Vote Mynd

Why are you basing your vote on "pinging"? How does that help town. If you are going to vote me, at least present a decent argument for why. You seem to be bandwagoning behind Drew here.

 

@Drew, why are you coming after me when I voted Curt? How come you are so locked into that gambit that you are ignoring the current flow of the game? The mafia would have already submitted their night action last night without knowing who my target was, so they can't do anything about it. I find it interesting that we haven't found anyone with compulsion yet.

 

Folks, I think Drew's reaction is quite scummy. He is freaking out because I blocked him and saying that the mafia would use that to frame him. For his logic to make sense, he must believe me to be innocent. For that to make sense, he would have to be mafia himself and knows that no one will show any signs of compulsion. Besides, if you know that I am innocent, why vote for me? If you believe my role-blocking power, then you believe me to be innocent.

 

unvote curtdragon

 

vote DrewoftheRushes

 

You played a great game Drew, but we gotcha. Just curious, are you Graendel?

 

Wow, OMGUS much? Yes, the flow of the game was going to Curt, but that's being led by you once again. I don't think Curt's been that scummy, and I think you've been very scummy, so my vote is on you, and I stated my case.

 

You know as well as I do that compulsion and silencing can happen midday, because we've seen it happen. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Yet you're still pushing a lynch based on that logic.

 

And finally, I want everyone to read Mynd's logic on that last post. I must think he's innocent? Huh? I don't think you have any roleblocking power. I think you're scum that told your other scum to not use compulsion or silencing tonight because you thought you could frame me, if not today then tomorrow.

 

It's funny that you say my reaction is scummy. Nobody listened to you when you dropped my name as scum. Why would I bring your case up again? Because I think it's evidence that you're scum.

 

Well, "folks," I think we're looking at a Mynd scared of real evidence of his scumminess and the fact that the DR thinks he's scum as well. Shaking in his boots. Can't wait to see the next desperate post ;)

[hotpocket2006]

Lots of people have found Curt very scummy this whole game Drew.

 

Also Mynd is always scummy *shrugs* you using wifom to try and figure out what he may or may not be doing is not a reason to vote him. OMGUS is also a useful tool that I have seen townies use as well as mafia. I'm not saying Mynd sn't mafia and he has played a clean game, he hasn't, but I feel so far he has been trying to help the town. I led a lynch on him my first game playing with him for a similar reason and he was town.

 

Well Drew the logical thing to ask is if you have an ability and if you were in fact blocked. It seems to me you're reaching really hard in your last post. It may be a good idea to lynch you. It may clear some stuff up. Besides if Mynd was going hard after you, and you flipped innocent then we would probably go after him next anyway.

 

UNVOTE, VOTE DREW though I could definitely go for a Curt lynch too. Not for a mynd lynch though, he's useful to have around.

[Talya]

Just dome thoughts of mine. I still can't really get my head round everyone in this game, may it wasn't such a good idea coming in after 80 pages. Anyway:

 

I have blocked the player that I believe is among the mafia, which could block the night kill but also should block either the compulsion or the silencing. If no one demonstrates either tomorrow, then I'm pretty sure we can have a safe lynch.

 

Details tomorrow...

 

You said this at night Mynd. All the Mafia or whoever has that role has to do is hold off and the person you blocked will look suspicious in your eyes. Not the best of moves!

 

The only reason I can see is him outing AJ as Innocent. And him being a cop says that that is true. But he was on the suspicious list of the 'A' group, so why out him. The only thing I can think of is that the mafia guessed he was finder when he said that AJ was innocent, because she is actually mafia and has a Godfather Role. So the only way he would know she was innocent (or was given that) would be if he was a finder. So they could work out who he was and with his death, who would question AJ being Innocent, he was Finder after all and found her innocent!

 

I still think there is something in Aust's death, so I have reput this here. This 'A' business has riled people up a bit, so why kill an 'A' - they guessed he was a finder.

 

Well, now it's proved. I'm naive. No point in even sending in the NA anymore if all I'm going to get is innocent readings. Just for the record, I viewed Curt last night. Guess what the result was?

 

Why give up. Until you know for definite then you should NEVER give up on something like that!

 

Ok, a couple things. First, last night I blocked Drew. If no one is under compulsion or silenced, then we likely have ourselves a mafia. Although the kill went through, it doesn't mean I blocked the one doing the killing.

 

I'm having difficulty with the whole Aemon being a naive finder. Sure, he claimed to have viewed Vam as innocent, but Vam's power was a Framer. Mine is that of a powerblocker. It doesn't make sense that both Vam and I would have such strong powers and yet Aemon's is useless. Aemon, were you sure that the innocent reading you got on Vam was actually on Vam and not redirected to someone else?

 

I think it is important to note that what was said earlier about the mafia targeting an A-list player so that it would discredit what I was told. I thought about the possibility that perhaps the Snakes meant Asmodean, a character name instead of a player, but upon review of my pm, the Snakes clearly meant a player. My guess is the mafia figured we would all come to the same conclusion in that if they nk'd an A player, it would stop us from continuing our search. I take this as a sign that we are close.

 

Have we found our compulsion victim for the day yet?

 

It doesn't make Drew definitely the Compulsion giver as I have said before, They could have just declined to out in a name to make whoever you did block look like Mafia

 

Yes but then he wouldn't have come back innocent, he would've come up neutral. Neutrals aren't innocent. They can win with either. So either Aemon is lying, he was misdirected, or he's naive.

 

Also keep in mind Aemon hasn't been proven innocent (unless I missed where he has). He could be making his findings up *shrugs* Now that we are reasonably sure that Moonv2 is Rand, then that means that Aemon is indeed a false dragon. He also fits the A theme. Just something to think on as it seems people have stopped questioning his loyalty.

 

Also Kwom either you're lying or you are totally neglecting this game and that sucks as if you are town you have a useful power. You should've given up the game if you weren't paying attention to it.

 

We don't know what he would have come back with, it maybe he came back innocent until he decided which way to go, if he went Mafia he would have then be viewed as guilty. Just a thought on that!

I believe Red found him Innocent, and we know she didn't lie. Of course he could have been a Godfather, but that doesn't fit the False Dragon bit.

 

I have to agree I can't see Logain being naive, but as I said before it would depend on when he was healed. Because that may well have a bearing on it.

 

Why am I only speaking up now? Because I was only being questioned by Red a few [irl] days ago. I honestly had nothing to contribute for the past...two weeks or so, was it? The more experienced Mafia players are definitely seeing things that I didn't, and also my few things that I may have contributed seemed rather...pointless. Such as the fact that I have suspicions about the Mason group being the Illuminators. I have no evidence to back that up, and it's only a gut feeling and a tiny bit of relating info between the books and this game. And it's not that I've been neglecting the game; I've actually been caught up pretty much this entire time. It's simply that by the time I've made up my mind about who to bus, the Night phase has suddenly ended. To be honest, I had thought myself to have an extra day to make up my mind each night phase. Pretty much I had figured that it would last until Sunday night-ish, and when it ended Saturday afternoon it left me in an "oops" position. I think I'm about ready to give being a more active role a shot in the game. I'm not quite ready to make casings yet, but perhaps pointing out some small points such as the Mason thing...

 

this kind of thing (bolded) does not help town whatsoever. There is something to say, just put thoughts out there, unless of course you are worried about giving something away. There should always be something to say.

 

I prefer to go after a more active player who is only reading what he wants to see in posts rather than doing any actual scum casing. He freaked out when he saw his name among 12 others as a list of possible lynches. That kind of overreaction leads me to believe that Curtdragon is not acting like a scum-hunter but more like a scum-huntee.

And I'd like to go after someone who actively seeks to hang town.

He may have been viewed innocent but look at how Vamb came up: neutral/framer sounds like exactly what Mynd is

Vote Mynd

 

How can Mynd be that if Vam wa. I can't see all False Dragons having the same role. So your logic here doesn't quite add up.

[Talya]

sorry another post, I thought I would do it in two.

 

Okay, just catching up.

 

@Mynd - Why wouldn't you wait to see if anyone wasn't silenced or compulsed before revealing who you roleblocked? By announcing it early, mafia has an easy chance to frame me by not using their compulsion power. I refuse to believe that an experienced player like you didn't see this, which makes you part of the frame. Honestly, I've thought you were town up until recently, but this is a major sign that you're scum. The other is the revealing post about who started the wagons on innocent lynch victims, and you're on that list. You've also targeted two players today already who don't really have much evidence against them. Curt has been slightly snarky at times but there's nothing substantial against him. Kwom's right that Bus Driving is really dangerous - switch a likely town with a likely mafia and you're likely to move the doctor's action to mafia! Him not using his power unless he's certain about it is prudence.

 

I have no NA, unfortunately, but there's no way for me to prove that, and now that Mynd has let the cat out of the bag, we won't know what to think if someone isn't compulsed or silenced. I really think we need to vote Mynd before he causes anymore chaos. He's scum or Jester, I'm almost positive.

 

That was what I was saying before, they could easilt Frame Drew because Mynd told us all what he was going to do during the night!

 

Purple - Or just Mynd mouthing off something without thinking it through! A difficult one to decide...

 

Not sure I'm ready to get rid of Mynd, However, there would be a good bit of info we might be able to get from him.

 

 

@Drew, why are you coming after me when I voted Curt? How come you are so locked into that gambit that you are ignoring the current flow of the game? The mafia would have already submitted their night action last night without knowing who my target was, so they can't do anything about it. I find it interesting that we haven't found anyone with compulsion yet.

 

Folks, I think Drew's reaction is quite scummy. He is freaking out because I blocked him and saying that the mafia would use that to frame him. For his logic to make sense, he must believe me to be innocent. For that to make sense, he would have to be mafia himself and knows that no one will show any signs of compulsion. Besides, if you know that I am innocent, why vote for me? If you believe my role-blocking power, then you believe me to be innocent.

 

unvote curtdragon

 

vote DrewoftheRushes

 

You played a great game Drew, but we gotcha. Just curious, are you Graendel?

 

I can actually see how this could have set him up. What made you think Drew was the Compulsionist in the first place to try and block him?

 

Lots of people have found Curt very scummy this whole game Drew.

 

Also Mynd is always scummy *shrugs* you using wifom to try and figure out what he may or may not be doing is not a reason to vote him. OMGUS is also a useful tool that I have seen townies use as well as mafia. I'm not saying Mynd sn't mafia and he has played a clean game, he hasn't, but I feel so far he has been trying to help the town. I led a lynch on him my first game playing with him for a similar reason and he was town.

 

Well Drew the logical thing to ask is if you have an ability and if you were in fact blocked. It seems to me you're reaching really hard in your last post. It may be a good idea to lynch you. It may clear some stuff up. Besides if Mynd was going hard after you, and you flipped innocent then we would probably go after him next anyway.

 

UNVOTE, VOTE DREW though I could definitely go for a Curt lynch too. Not for a mynd lynch though, he's useful to have around.

 

Just because they have, doesn't mean he is scummy and doesn't mean everyone finds scummy. From what I can see it's about a comment about him wondering why he was on a list. I'm sure there are others that wondered why they were on that list and too scared to say because they were Mafia!

 

For some reason I don't like this post, Song's not for a Mynd lynch because he's too useful to have a round!! Hasn't he led the Lynch on two town, and swapping from one person to another, that doesn't seem too helpful to me. Sounds lie you are trying to side with someone here.

[Talya]

woops i posted before I could say any more.

 

I'm not sure who to vote for at this moment. How long do we have? And MOD can we have a vote count please.

 

For info I will be scarce for the next week. I will pop in when I can (hopefully at work if I get the chance) But RL is going to be hectic starting tomorrow.

[Nynaeve]

Talya, Wombat updates deadlines at the end of the first post on the first page. Just for reference :)

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[hotpocket2006]

What I meant talya is he's useful for inspiring conversation. He's one of the more active players and he always stirs the hornets nest.

[killuliu]

Just popping in, so I'm not silenced or anything (though last two days have been very busy (I haven't had access to computer, and won't have tomorrow)). I've long thought Curt and Drew seem scummy and wouldn't mind lynching either of them, but for now I won't vote anything (because of being slightly intoxicated).

[trench]

I can definetly get behind a lynch on Drew. Right now I am inclined to believe Mynd is town. Mynd says he blocked Drew and now there is no compulsed player. It could be a Mafia gambit to get Drew lynched, but Drew has pinged me as scum for awhile now. I cased him on day 3 when we lynched Blackhoof, I fingered him as scum as well for voting patterns. When Vam claimed dragon he tried to push us into a Vambram lynch, if Drew is scum he would have known Vam was not on his team, once the momentum switched to Blackhoof. Drew only came in on the vote late once it was assured Black would be lynched.

 

From my early suspicions, coupled with the gambit Mynd played by blocking Drew last night. I can Vote Drew confidently now.

[dapianoplay3r]

I would have been ok with a vote on Drew but I do agree with Talya a bit on the way you went out setting up the trap (either as town or maifa) wasnt ideal and that's what is making me pause. The mafia could have been waiting till near the end of the deadline before sending in actions and easily seen your post first.

Secondly there are three things you say you could have blocked. Two of them havent showed up so atleast one of them wasn't anything to do with your blocking

[DrewRiley]

What I meant talya is he's useful for inspiring conversation. He's one of the more active players and he always stirs the hornets nest.

 

Well I'm stirring the nest right now, aren't I?

 

I can definetly get behind a lynch on Drew. Right now I am inclined to believe Mynd is town. Mynd says he blocked Drew and now there is no compulsed player. It could be a Mafia gambit to get Drew lynched, but Drew has pinged me as scum for awhile now. I cased him on day 3 when we lynched Blackhoof, I fingered him as scum as well for voting patterns. When Vam claimed dragon he tried to push us into a Vambram lynch, if Drew is scum he would have known Vam was not on his team, once the momentum switched to Blackhoof. Drew only came in on the vote late once it was assured Black would be lynched.

 

From my early suspicions, coupled with the gambit Mynd played by blocking Drew last night. I can Vote Drew confidently now.

 

I've never played with any of you, but Trench, you can't be fool enough to think I must be scum because there's no silence/compulsion victim. How many times has Mynd played? How could he NOT know it would have been a horrible move from a townie to say who he roleblocked and why? I've only played a few games and I can figure that out. Are you seriously buying that?

 

 

I would have been ok with a vote on Drew but I do agree with Talya a bit on the way you went out setting up the trap (either as town or maifa) wasnt ideal and that's what is making me pause. The mafia could have been waiting till near the end of the deadline before sending in actions and easily seen your post first.

Secondly there are three things you say you could have blocked. Two of them havent showed up so atleast one of them wasn't anything to do with your blocking

 

Thank you, the trap was blatant! And I sprung it on purpose to try to make it backfire on Mynd!

 

I really hope this isn't becoming a popularity contest, because Mynd's gambit can't possibly have convinced an intelligent person I'm scum. If you have other reasons to think I'm scum, like Trench seems to, that's fair, but there's no way the lack of a compulsion/silence victim could convince you I'm scum.

 

All that being said, I want to stay alive but if I have to be martyred, I'll accept that to incriminate Mynd. When I'm lynched and flip Town, don't let Mynd talk you out of lynching him.

[dapianoplay3r]

lets just be clear. You arent looking as clean as a whistle and there could be some truth the mynds claim. Also it wont necessarily title him scum but it will not help him to look innocent.

[Myndrunner]

You see, mafia tend to fall for this trick, even players as experienced as Verbal (Christmas Mafia) and Kivam (DPR's Ctulu mafia on MJ). They are so focused on misdirection and discrediting the towines that they forget to act like a scum-hunter. Drew has been laser focused on the gambit that I made about waiting around to see who is compulsed and who isn't. All I did then was reveal who I blocked, without any statement at all or fingers pointing. We were well on our way to lynch Curt.

 

So, let me see if I have this right. Drew thinks that because I said during this day that I chose him to be blocked that the mafia, who had already sent in their actions the night before, that I am laying a trap for him. In order to follow his own logic, one must first believe that I have such a power in the first place.

 

He fell for the trap because, like a lot of maifa scum, he was more focused on the gambit and not on the casing.