Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[bgrishinko]

In fact, bgrishinko had even begun thinking Mynd's innocent viewing may have been the result of a clever redirect or bus.

[trench]

Adella

 

There she is. I was waiting for this one. "Great job for the HEALER!!!" she posts, when it is obvious to everyone that the mafia was unsuccessful in their night kill. What a blatant attempt at trying desperately to look innocent. She knew Blackhoof was mafia and did what she could to divert the lynch off him; however, she is trying to play it off like that was not her intention.

 

You see....sometimes it isn't a healer protecting a target, but someone else blocking a kill. Suppose Adella was role-blocked last night? And then there isn't a kill?

 

This is a safe lynch, folks. Oh and look at that.....Adella's name begins with A. Watch now for her mafia friends to come to her defense.

 

BTW, I tried to steal from Red last night, but upon re-reading my PM, it didn't necessarily say that the message was about her.

 

Bgrishinko did not like Mynd's point of view. There had been no compelling evidence that Adella was a darkfriend. He also tried to make anyone that stood up for her look like scum based upon nothing. Bgrishinko knew for certain that Adella was not a darkfriend, more than any other person in the game. Bg still didn't like Mynd the last few days, but Aemon's claim that he was innocent held his vote away for now, but only barely. He hoped that Aemon would soon clear up whether his innocent claim on Mynd was true or not. Bg did not know where this 'A' lynch was leading, but it could possibly be a lie and there was no "A" scum.

 

If the 'A' claim was true, Bg felt the focus should go on Alanna who was in the same trio that Vambram distracted from originally along with Drew.

 

I dont think we should be placeing supision on people just because their name starts with an A. There are alot of people in this game whose name starts with an A. Could one of them be scum? I guess thats possible but I not gonna get behind a vote just to see so. I think there are better options worth looking into. I want to hear more from Vambram peronally, I think his actions yesterday were pretty scummy.

[Quibby]

Blackhoof tried to use Mynd as an alternative option to himself yesterday, which has me inclined to not lynch Mynd. That and Aemon's innocent find on Mynd can't be discounted. Unless somebody has a way of discrediting Aemon beyond the whole "he's not the Dragon Reborn" schpiel that doesn't include lynching what may be one of the best resources we have, then I'm willing to hear arguments^*.

 

As for the Adella lynch, how much can you tell us about how you were able to discover scum, Mynd?

 

Please note that the word "scum" is used as framework for the question. I do not accuse Adella yet, and I am a little wary of dropping the hammer on her right now^*.

 

 

 

*Please note that that statement can and will become, "Kill 'im," if satisfactory evidence is presented.

[Myndrunner]

Trench (and all), the A claim by itself is ridiculous. Without being modkilled, let's assume that one could ask three questions and get answers, but not necessarily what you expect. For example if you ask a snake "Who is Mafia?" you might get "Someone whose name begins with A" as a response. Still, by itself, the "begins with the letter A" doesn't hold much water. But consider it with these other pieces of info....

 

Adella was trying hard to push us off the Blackhoof lynch.

 

Read Adella's post again. She is desperately trying to look innocent and she is assuming that the healer was successful because her kill did not go through. It is possible that she was roleblocked last night and unable to complete her kill.

 

I am telling you all. Adella will be a safe lynch.

 

...and Mynd thinks Bgstinko should stop trying to be cute with is posts and start actually playing the game.

[Quibby]

... oh, bloody hell.

[Aust]

Mynd are you 100% certain she was trying to distract from the Black lynch? I'll play devil's advocate here by saying that some others also exclaimed about the good fortune of no night kill.

[bgrishinko]

Trench (and all), the A claim by itself is ridiculous. Without being modkilled, let's assume that one could ask three questions and get answers, but not necessarily what you expect. For example if you ask a snake "Who is Mafia?" you might get "Someone whose name begins with A" as a response. Still, by itself, the "begins with the letter A" doesn't hold much water. But consider it with these other pieces of info....

 

Adella was trying hard to push us off the Blackhoof lynch.

 

Read Adella's post again. She is desperately trying to look innocent and she is assuming that the healer was successful because her kill did not go through. It is possible that she was roleblocked last night and unable to complete her kill.

 

I am telling you all. Adella will be a safe lynch.

 

...and Mynd thinks Bgstinko should stop trying to be cute with is posts and start actually playing the game.

 

Bg would fight this lynch to all ends, for he knew that Adella was not a darkfriend. He also didn't appreciate Mynd's depraved comments when it was common knowledge that Bgrishinko was not trying to be cute. He was extremely tempted to vote Mynd right at that moment out of sheer grumpiness, but withheld his vote due to Aemon's comment and his possible Mat reference. He felt appalled that he would not be Modkilled for such a blatant statement of who he probably was, but if he was Mat, he did not wish to lose him, especially to a Modkill.

 

He wondered what had happened to Vambram today. Yesterday Vam had been quite outspoken about his Dragon claim, but today there had been no word from him. Could he have been silenced as Aust had been previously.

[bgrishinko]

Bg also realized in re-reading his last post that he needs to not use "he" as much. It can get confusing...

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count

 

Vambram (1): Ahmoondah

Naeann (1): Aust

Adella (1): Mynd

 

Deadline: Thursday at 2:00 PM EST

[dapianoplay3r]

I think your evidence for adella has potential except that I dont see how

your character could end up going to such a place since it doesnt seem to

have happened in WoT if my memory serves. Not to a false dragon anyway

That's what is making me pause

[Vambram]

I am pleased that there were not any kills by anyone during the NA's of Day 3. Now that we are almost halfway through Day 4, it is time to look even more closely than than we had before Day 4 and figure out by using all of the clues that the players have posted about themselves as to whom are the Townies, and whom are scum.

[Vambram]

I need to post here that I will be taking a Leave of Absence from dragonmount.com and also the internet starting Tuesday afternoon, Missouri time. My wife and I are going to Columbia, Missouri for an appointment I have at the VA Hospital there. I will not be back home until in the evening on Wednesday.

[dapianoplay3r]

That's before the deadline so even im sure you will have time to drop in and have your say

[killuliu]

I am telling you all. Adella will be a safe lynch.

Is that based on more than just the qut feeling you stated in the post (which I didn't quote fully)?

And would you mind telling us a bit more about night stealing, because at least I can't steal during night, and that seems kind of odd that you can..

 

Bg would fight this lynch to all ends, for he knew that Adella was not a darkfriend. He also didn't appreciate Mynd's depraved comments when it was common knowledge that Bgrishinko was not trying to be cute. He was extremely tempted to vote Mynd right at that moment out of sheer grumpiness, but withheld his vote due to Aemon's comment and his possible Mat reference. He felt appalled that he would not be Modkilled for such a blatant statement of who he probably was, but if he was Mat, he did not wish to lose him, especially to a Modkill.

 

 

And again one of these lovely "I know she is not a darkfriend" comments, which we just have to decide whether to believe or not. Then again, we could also ask, that if there is more than one mafia group, could it be that the other isn't darkfriends, but something like Masema's Dragonsworns? Then Bg's statement could be true :P

 

There are several other people (besides Mat) who have visited the world of snakes and foxes: Rand, Moirane, some of the dark fellas I'd think. And as this isn't the books, we should assume it is possible for others to enter the world also.

Considering my luck, all of these guesses could be right (or not) :P

[bgrishinko]

I am telling you all. Adella will be a safe lynch.

Is that based on more than just the qut feeling you stated in the post (which I didn't quote fully)?

And would you mind telling us a bit more about night stealing, because at least I can't steal during night, and that seems kind of odd that you can..

 

 

Bgrishinko had assumed Mynd simply meant his normal theft attempt failed since all the theif plays are processed at night as stated in the rules on the first page... and anyone can make thief plays unless specifically told by wombat they cannot.

[Red2111]

Mynd - your theif play failed because i didn't have an item yesturday; at least, that would be my guess on it.

 

Mynd I believe Red already mentioned that she couldn't be theived from. The only reason her item was lost from her is because she flubbed up and got it removed by the mod.

 

Yes, Red, in EVERY SINGLE GAME EVER you post walls and walls and walls and walls of text. Try looking at how I play every game and you will see I'm pretty well the opposite. I don't reply to every single little fart that someone does in a game. I do watch the game and reply when I feel there is something to say. I don't reply to every last detail but I do take note of things. Ask someone like Verbal.... my nickname for some players is the bulldog... cause I peruse the threads and find the smallest little error and latch onto it and don't let go. Who benefits the most from posting walls of text every time they post? The mafia. Because people like me will just skim the droning on and on that you do and therefore likely miss damning evidence that you are scummy mc scumersons.

 

Be'lal was the first lynch right? IIRC I WAS FRIGGING FAIN! I didn't give a rats patootie to help the town sweetheart. I am no longer Fain and no longer that alignment. I'm an innocent. Try to remember that while coming to crazy conclusions just because I switched over to Black without another word... expecially when I said in an earlier post that I'd be more than willing to switch to him. ;)

 

first off Nae, trying to cast dubt on me by attacking my play style only makes you look like your scum grasping for straws. find something in game to go against me and i'll start seeing you as not scum, but right now your 2nd to Mynd because of your defensiveness and panicky posts. you don't agree with my play style, then fine to each their own. but using it as an attempt to try and paint me as a darkfriend *shakes head sadly* try using in game material if you really think i am scum.

 

2nd, i clarified what i said; i miss read my role PM and the item i had taken was infact stealable. i clarified this in a single post that was only a sentence long, so don't try to use WoT's as an excuse for twisting my words meanings.

 

3rd, while your alignment may have changed, your in game play style hasn't. meaning i don't see you playing in any way different that would benefit the town. it's funny how you focus on Be'lal yet ignore my claim of your silence and on Min's lynch as well as your lurkerness in game until i FOSd you over your vote.

 

 

Bgrishinko did not like Mynd's point of view. There had been no compelling evidence that Adella was a darkfriend. He also tried to make anyone that stood up for her look like scum based upon nothing. Bgrishinko knew for certain that Adella was not a darkfriend, more than any other person in the game. Bg still didn't like Mynd the last few days, but Aemon's claim that he was innocent held his vote away for now, but only barely. He hoped that Aemon would soon clear up whether his innocent claim on Mynd was true or not. Bg did not know where this 'A' lynch was leading, but it could possibly be a lie and there was no "A" scum.

 

how so? as far as you hinted, your power was speaking to people in their dreams.

 

 

and i think Aemon's been silenced; he's been on but hasn't posted and Aemon would have posted now if he could.

 

 

 

Blackhoof tried to use Mynd as an alternative option to himself yesterday, which has me inclined to not lynch Mynd. That and Aemon's innocent find on Mynd can't be discounted. Unless somebody has a way of discrediting Aemon beyond the whole "he's not the Dragon Reborn" schpiel that doesn't include lynching what may be one of the best resources we have, then I'm willing to hear arguments^*.

 

As for the Adella lynch, how much can you tell us about how you were able to discover scum, Mynd?

 

Please note that the word "scum" is used as framework for the question. I do not accuse Adella yet, and I am a little wary of dropping the hammer on her right now^*.

 

he did so while he was under compulsion. until Aemon is able to clear this up i'm still keeping Mynd on my list because he's pinging me and i'm not sure if i can trust Aemon's claim. i'm not saying lynch him, but i'm saying ignore the fact Aemon said this until an un-compelled Aemon can clear it up for us and base your judgement on Mynd only by his in game actions.

 

 

Blackhoof also tried to use Aemon and i think BG in his "lynch them, not me" post. seeing as he was scum, logically one of those people he mentioned have a good chance of being scum; using the whole "they wont suspect them cause i mentioned them" it makes me weary of the names listed, but doesn't implicate them more or less. still i'm finding it ironic that the scum seem to be targetting poor little Mynd so much first they make Aemon vote for him, then the scum we lynch trys to get him lynched instead.

[Verbal32]

I think that at this point in the game (still early), we can afford to make a couple of mistakes in an effort to gain information. For this reason, I'm willing to go along with Mynd's vote here, even though my read on bg is town. That is only a gut feeling, btw...not any game mechanic. But a lynch on Mynd's "target" can go a long way to describing Mynd's alignment, and whether or not I'm wrong about bg.

 

Vote: Adella

[Quibby]

he did so while he was under compulsion. until Aemon is able to clear this up i'm still keeping Mynd on my list because he's pinging me and i'm not sure if i can trust Aemon's claim. i'm not saying lynch him, but i'm saying ignore the fact Aemon said this until an un-compelled Aemon can clear it up for us and base your judgement on Mynd only by his in game actions.

 

 

Blackhoof also tried to use Aemon and i think BG in his "lynch them, not me" post. seeing as he was scum, logically one of those people he mentioned have a good chance of being scum; using the whole "they wont suspect them cause i mentioned them" it makes me weary of the names listed, but doesn't implicate them more or less. still i'm finding it ironic that the scum seem to be targetting poor little Mynd so much first they make Aemon vote for him, then the scum we lynch trys to get him lynched instead.

 

So, basically you're saying that we should keep suspecting Mynd because the scum really want us to lynch him? Even with the "scum shave with Occam's Razor" post from earlier in mind, this is a bit of a wall-banger. Not an FOS, but I don't get the logic.

[Quibby]

That isn't to say that there aren't reasons to be suspect of Mynd, but that just seems like a weird one.

[Red2111]

Verb - the only problem with your theory is that it still gives Mynd wiggle room. as he didn't recieve the info of "Adella is scum" but instead "a username starting witht he letter A is scum" so if Adella flips innocent he can try and wash his hands of it that way.

 

i'll hold my vote until BG answers my question as to how he knows Adella isn't scum.

 

 

Quibby - i suspect Mynd becuase of his actions. yesturday he tried to get us to lynch Aemon to prove compulsion was in play, yesturday he tried to use Aemon voting him as a way to clear himself (only to do a 180 on this logic once people FOSd him over it); he's also tried to link people together, which leaves a foul taste in my mouth. these are the reasons i'm not opposed to lynching him.

 

as to this

 

So, basically you're saying that we should keep suspecting Mynd because the scum really want us to lynch him?

 

the flip side ot keep in mind is; are the scum targetting him so much to try and clear him. thats why i don't include what the scum are doing concerning him as part of my reasoning for wanting to lynch him; i find it funny and almost expect him to yell "Frame Job" over it, but it's not the reason why i don't trust him or why he pings me.

[Verbal32]

I understand what you're saying, Red.....and I agree with you. However, I'm seeing this as Mynd's last chance to be pro-town. If he's settled down and really starting to scumhunt with a focus, then I want him around cause he's damn good at it. So I say we lynch his target.

 

At this point in the game, I'm willing to place an egg in Mynd's basket. Not all of them, but some.

[Naeann]

As for Min- Very rarely do I comment on lynches. One of the first tips I was taught in the game is to try not to comment on lynches(or night results in general) because it can make you look like scum crying crocodile tears. Even if it is a legit shock at what happened people can twist what you say to your detriment. They can do that with anything you say in the game. Case in point? Look at Kiv's police game where I was powerlynched super fast just for asking how many damn people were going to reveal on day one. 8 people were SURE I was scum from that. 8 people were seriously wrong. ;).

 

You are also questioning my playstyle. I'm not a loud vocal in your face player until close to endgame. Its how I roll and how I've always rolled. You act as though you have never played a game with me before. Find me one person who won't start piping in when they are wrongfully accused of doing something. If I wasn't paying attention to the damn game then maybe I wouldn't pipe in when my name is spoken. Call me beetlejuice. ;) That pretty well just clarifies that I AM watching the game sweetheart. ;) This is why I never do well at the JN boards. They talk and talk and talk and talk and I don't so I get called a lurker and mafia just cause I'm quieter.

 

I don't need to question your playstyle to find you odd. You can't even keep straight who you find suspicious or not. First you think Moon is then you dont then you do. First you 100 percent think Aemon is scum then you 100 percent believe him then you sort of believe him but think he is either lying or wrong about Mynd. Who you first thought was clear because of Aemon and now you think is suspicious. Plus you think the mafia are targeting 'poor mynd' and then turn around and say you are almost suspicious enough of him to vote for him. Nothing that has happened in game.. even your berating by Wombat about blabbing too much and consequently losing your power for a night and the item you had confirms you as an innocent. Don't sit there with a smug grin on your face thinking you are cleared for the whole game. I've seen confirmed finders end up costing the game for the innocents because of turning a blind eye.

 

I could swear I did say something about all the dragon claims but I could have just meant to. I'm in the process of packing to move because my landlords lost paperwork I did and subsequently think I haven't paid rent in 4 months and want to take me to court over it. Kinda stressing more about that and hoping my friend comes thru who offered me a place to live than I am on focusing on this game 100 percent. ;)

[Naeann]

Gah! I'm sorry... I've been sick and haven't been online to check to see that the game started! I see we have someone already claiming to be Rand and Red is still posting novels each time she replies to something.

 

Interesting theory that he could be a false dragon. I'd like to hear more from his accuser. (I forgot who.. I just read 14 pages) Aemon is more than capable of spinning a lie to manipulate the game but he could be telling the truth...

 

 

Oh, lookie. I did.

[Adella]

Bg knows my alignment, as I know his, because we are on a mason team. Our only powers are that we can talk to each other. There is another member but I wouldn't reveal them without their permission.

[DrewRiley]

Bg knows my alignment, as I know his, because we are on a mason team. Our only powers are that we can talk to each other. There is another member but I wouldn't reveal them without their permission.

 

If Mynd is innocent, he was obviously VERY mistaken about you, and we need to look at other A's. AJ, alanna, ahmoondah, Aust, Aemon, Amadine. Wow there are a lot of A's in this game. If the other mason comes under heat, Alanna, then I would reveal them, but not until then. But I'm sure you know that.

 

Of course this is all assuming you and bg are telling the truth...